Shulem Deen was raised in an Orthodox home. He wrote an opinion article in the New York Times today about the low quality of education he received in religious schools.
He writes:
”Last Friday, as observant Jews hurried with last-minute preparations for Passover, one Orthodox Jew was in Albany, holding up the New York State budget. He was insisting that this roughly $168 billion package include a special provision that would allow religious schools to meet the state’s educational requirements by using their long hours of religious instruction.
“In recent years, education activists, among them former Hasidic yeshiva graduates, have pushed aggressively to bring the yeshivas into compliance with the state’s education laws. Simcha Felder, the state senator from Brooklyn who represents the heavily ultra-Orthodox neighborhoods of Borough Park and Midwood, was on a mission to get legal permission for the state to turn a blind eye to the near-absence of secular instruction in many yeshivas. The upshot? Tens of thousands of children would continue to graduate without the most basic skills.
“I know about the cost. I was one of those kids.
“I was raised in New York’s Hasidic community and educated in its schools. At my yeshiva elementary school, I received robust instruction in Talmudic discourse and Jewish religious law, but not a word about history, geography, science, literature, art or most other subjects required by New York State law. I received rudimentary instruction in English and arithmetic — an afterthought after a long day of religious studies — but by high school, secular studies were dispensed with altogether.
“The language of instruction was, for the most part, Yiddish. English, our teachers would remind us, was profane…
”When I was in my 20s, already a father of three, I had no marketable skills, despite 18 years of schooling. I could rely only on an ill-paid position as a teacher of religious studies at the local boys’ yeshiva, which required no special training or certification. As our family grew steadily — birth control, or even basic sexual education, wasn’t part of the curriculum — my wife and I struggled, even with food stamps, Medicaid and Section 8 housing vouchers, which are officially factored into the budgets of many of New York’s Hasidic families….
”I now have two sons, ages 16 and 18. I do not have custody of them — I lost it when I left the Hasidic world, and so I have no control over their education. Today, they cannot speak, read or write in English past a second-grade level. (As for my three daughters, their English skills are fine. Girls, not obligated with Torah study, generally receive a decent secular education.)
“Like me, my sons will be expected to marry young and raise large families. They too will receive no guidance on how to provide for them and will be forced into low-wage jobs and rely heavily on government support.
“They are not alone. Across the state, there are dozens of Hasidic yeshivas, with tens of thousands of students — nearly 60,000 in New York City alone — whose education is being atrociously neglected. These schools receive hundreds of millions of dollars in government funding, through federal programs like Title I and Head Start and state programs like Academic Intervention Services and universal pre-K. For New York City’s yeshivas, $120 million comes from the state-funded, city-run Child Care and Development Block Grant subsidy program: nearly a quarter of the allocation to the entire city.”
These are the schools to which Betsy DeVos would supply vouchers. What a shame. The children deserve better education.

Next read ” The Curious Carveout of the Yeshivas” in the NY Times. These so called schools are being exempted from state ed regulations in the state budget agreement! Unbelievable!
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Bill deBlasio also traded Hasidic votes for all sorts of concessions.
Mr. Liberal? These stories are like Chaim Potok’s novels come to life. I’m embarrassed as a Jew!
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Statement: The purpose of updating the guidance remains the same, which is to ensure that all New York state students, whether they attend a public or nonpublic school, receive a quality education that prepares them for success in life. We are in the process of reviewing the change in law and are pleased that critical standards – such as substantial equivalence, instruction by competent teachers and English being the language of instruction – have been retained.
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Are you actually Betty Rosa?
If you are, can you please explain what the Board of Regents is doing to ensure that children attending Yeshivas are receiving a sound, basic education–i.e., to be able to speak, read, and write fluently in English and understand enough history, math, and science to function as intelligent citizens and have a choice of occupation? It is my distinct impression that it is doing nothing, and that impression is only reinforced by your boilerplate comment here.
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Yes, Betty Rosa reads the blog daily and comments from time to time.
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For a child and future adult and citizen, this is a living nightmare.
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Indeed! Horrid, torturous and repressive.
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Publicly funded religious schools like these Yeshivas and Islamic Guilin schools are speeding up the fracturing of our culture into a thousand, million pieces that are already starting to wage war with each other.
They are shattering the United States into tribal groups that hate and distrust each other. Exactly what the Koch brothers and ALEC want.
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This topic forced me think. On one hand, I am weary of regulating religious education for the same reason I am so strongly opposed to vouchers. Public funding and oversight go hand in hand — at least they’re supposed to. On the other hand, Diane is right as usual, the government has a responsibility to educate the citizenry. It’s just better for all for all to be well educated, and being well educated means studying more than just your own culture.
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And the global interests brought through social media surely must additionally bring a “global” focus in education. How will workers function in the future if they have only truncated local knowledge?
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I would like to nominate Shulem Deen’s name to be placed on the Wall of Honor. This is a remarkable story and testimony.
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Religious schools usually DO accept some funding in NYS.
Typically, they’ll accept “NYSTL” textbook funding at the least – this finds books for kids.
However, they may also choose to accept funding for Technology and I believe also transportation and special education services too.
The disconnect is particularly with how the NYSTL and technology money is spent – many of these communities eschew internet access so people rightfully question where the money went.
I am fine with providing children a religious education – it builds a devotion to community and higher purpose and a constant focus on their place in the world.
However, when those children are being taught to rely on government assistance and ignore the costs of a life devoted to G-d (it isn’t cheap at all) it creates a societal problem.
I appreciate where the chassidim come from but also realize they aren’t likely to change their approach voluntarily but by force would impinge on several individual rights.
The states only choices are to either tightly regulate what money they do send these schools which if push comes to shove they’d refuse rather than engage in secular studies.
The other alternative is set a baseline standard for
educational neglect and regulate even private schools providing the non-public setting . However, that’s pretty hard to do – for homeschooling the parent has to basically attest to the school district quarterly that they are providing an equivalent education.
It is almost impossible to enforce given the number of providers and that they aren’t being forced into some data system that would let people outside the home/school know anything until those children take standardized exams – and we know how imperfect those are.
It’s an incredibly thorny question and to solve it involves political will, funding, and a test of individual’s rights vs. the rights of children.
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“I am fine with providing children a religious education – it builds a devotion to community and higher purpose and a constant focus on their place in the world.”
If the parents wish to pay for that specific religious education outside of the public school, fine with me. But any tax monies should not be spent on singling out any religious training. And it is training at best, brainwashing at worst.
And no, religious training does not “build devotion to community” unless one considers any sect of a religion to be “community”. It builds an isolating mental fence to keep out those in the broader community who do not believe like the members of one’s particular sect.
“Higher purpose”. Ha, ha, ha! What kind of high purpose are you talking about.
“. . . and a constant focus on their place in the world.” Can’t be having any uppity non-believer not staying in “their place” now can we?
What you describe with your statement is a “plantation mentality”. Something to the effect “How to Be a Slave and Be Happy”. Does a happy little jingle come with the book?
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A) I don’t expect or condone public money going to private schools – religious or not
B) We can disagree on whether religion is enlightening or mind limiting, a cohesive community or a barrier to outside beliefs. That’s a political choice and I’ll point out the disagreement and leave it at that. However, saying religious people have a “plantation” mentality is demeaning to those who choose to place G-d at the center of their world.
I am in the minority in my religious brethren of not wanting money for private schools but also believing in the importance of religious education. They are not mutually exclusive.
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Yes, as you suggest we will disagree on some of these things.
Having grown up K-12 Catholic I saw how the community aspect could be a good thing, that is within the specific Catholic community. At the same time those outside that “community” were outcasts, destined to hell, etc. . . . I hope you don’t think that way, M.
Perhaps it is because I saw the negative aspects of that religious education and believed (still do) that the negatives outweighed the positive that I see the thinking as a type of plantation thinking-know one’s place (as determined by others), obey and not question the boss, whether the boss is a god or an owner/manager/priest/pastor, protect our own while exploiting them for our own benefit, etc. . . .
Yes, we’ll have to disagree on this one.
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Why is New York condoning illiteracy?
Undoubtedly because the NY governor and legislators are illiterate
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I read more on this – this seems to the be the best sum of the actual changes. The NY Times article seems to assume one is familiar with what happened and why and focuses on the impact – this has a bit more of “just the facts” – https://forward.com/news/national/398026/ultra-orthodox-rejoice-after-lawmaker-forces-new-york-to-relax-yeshiva/
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Thanks for the link M!
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Good link. One of the commenters provided these stats on the 25k-pop town of Kiryas Joel in NYS’ Orange County: “…only 39 percent of the residents are high school graduates, and less than 5 percent have a bachelor’s degree… About half of the residents receive food stamps, and one-third receive Medicaid benefits and rely on federal vouchers to help pay their housing costs. About 70 percent of the village’s 21,000 residents live in households whose income falls below the federal poverty threshold.” I also read on wiki that 91% of residents speak Yiddish at home, & 46% speak English “not well” or “not at all”.
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The stats on Eng-speaking ability are significant, considering another stat: median age in KJ is 13.2 y.o.
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See here for another heartbreaking story by Deen from a few years ago, about the calamitous struggles that people face when they leave ultra-Orthodox communities.
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/147240/hasidic-children-parents
Also, Diane, the link you’ve embedded in this post is taking me to a December 2017 story about the Virginia House elections.
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That’s very odd about the link
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And here’s a recent opinion piece about NYC’s role in this.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/urgent-task-chancellor-focus-yeshivas-article-1.3849713
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Father Dewey’s Pedagogic Creed statement of 1897 in part:
“EVERY teacher should realize he is a social servant set apart for the maintenance of the proper
social order and the securing of the right social growth. In this way the teacher is always the
prophet of the true God and the usherer in of the true kingdom of heaven.”
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It’s interesting to read a little history to see how intractable this problem has been.
Look at this article from early 2013 when Mayor Bloomberg and Marty Markowitz claimed the city had no right to do anything to oversee Yeshivas.
https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130123/new-york-city/bloomberg-markowitz-pass-buck-on-yeshivas-failure-teach-english-math
I hope this does get looked into. And I think the way that Simcha Felder got the law on oversight changed is astonishing.
I wish Betsy Rosa (who posted above) could clarify exactly what NYC could do when a Yeshiva isn’t offering all the classes they should? Could the city just shut them down immediately and force those students into a different school?
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The problem is you need to define substantial equivalent by legislation or have it decided in a court of law.
The state department could probably find a way to press private schools for information but without a substantive regulation or law defining the substantial equivalence first you need to show exactly what is missing, when schools became aware it was missing and what steps the schools took if any and if they didn’t take any, why not.
To break a law it has to be enforceably defined and clear who is empowered to enforce it and under what circumstances.
At this point in my non legal opinion would be that it probably takes a court order to define substantial equivalence or what it means to not offer it. It is also not laid out to my knowledge what steps the state can take to stop a school from being in business even if the state were to audit against some kind of substantial equivalence checklist.
Even to withhold state money for things the state needs to provide for.
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That does sound complicated.
In this article I linked to — from early 2013 when Bloomberg was Mayor — it implied that the only thing the city could do was report their findings to the state! And then it was up to the state to take the next step.
I don’t know if that is still the case but seems like the kind of thing that reporters who keep writing these articles would want to include.
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A more immediate problem, from my perspective, is that I cannot find the actual text of this budget provision anywhere on the Internet, including the NY State Legislature’s web site, which is supposed to have the text of all bills submitted to the governor. I also haven’t seen a single news story that references the text at issue or names the bill in which the provision sits. So I literally have no idea how the law has changed. Albany’s lack of transparency is simply maddening..
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