Police officials are investigating the possibility that at least three armed deputies stayed outside the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School while mass murderer Nikolas Cruz was gunning down students and teachers.
The “good guys”with the guns did not even attempt to stop the “bad guy”with an AR-15. They knew they were outgunned and they failed to do their duty. They left zcruz to kill at will.
Trump used this information to argue at the Conservative PAC that teachers should be armed because they “know”and “love” the students, and they would confront a mass murderer with an AR-15 armed only with a handgun.
New York Police Department statistics show that well-trained police officers are accurate only 18% of the time in a gunfight.
Imagine the scene in a school, where there is pandemonium, and teachers start firing wildly. How many students and teachers will be killed by friendly fire? Trump imagines that 10-20% of America’s teachers are highly trained marksmen, perhaps with Marine training. At one of his news conferences, he said that General Kelly could have stopped Nikolas Cruz with a handgun. Since General Kelly is unlikely to be located in any American school at any future time, this claim is pure fantasy.
Trump forgets that 70% or so of educators are women. Very few of America’s teachers are former Marines or expert marksmen. His remedy will guarantee mass mayhem.
The only meaningful cure is banning military weapons, keeping them out of the hands of civilians.
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So these highly trained teachers would hit their target at about 18% if they were as well trained as NYC cops who have also been well trained. And just how often does a shooter with an AR-15 hit their target, i.e. anyone who happens to be “in the way?” And how many shots is that teacher going to get off before one of those high power shells happens to find them? How fast do those bullets travel. This article describes the speed and power: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/parkland-shooter-s-ar-15-was-designed-kill-efficiently-possible-ncna848346
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Perhaps everyone should be wearing bullet proof vests as well.
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What we need is a sniper at every school building.
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That is horrible!
What we need is all children and personnel armed in every school.
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I read that as sarcasm.
But this “debate” has become so absurd that it’s very difficult to tell the difference between serious suggestions and the attempts to point out the absurd nature of arming teachers and all the rest of the illogical suggestions.
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Bitter sarcasm ONLY!
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The Dallas cop-killer who was eventually cornered in a parking lot was confronted with a remote controlled “bomb robot” who got close to the killer during hours of negotiation and detonated a bomb that killed him. The Times noted this was the first such case of death by RoboCop.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/science/dallas-bomb-robot.html
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A teacher have no clue how to respond under pressure it’s not going to work , the president strategy is not to help students it’s to take the control of the intire Education Sistem .
Fidel Castro did that armed the teachers but to kill anyone who ask for freedom, students where killed in Cuba because teachers Diden’t like it to the point where Peter Pan inmigration help little kids and many of them are here free abs many of them worked for the school SITEL as well senators . Give weapons to teachers it’s going to cost less money that put metal detectors in any single schools by the way it’s not about kid it’s about money .
The prisioners are more protected than students that is the Truth
Trump has no clue that with E= Education ( good education)
Trump has a clue about this ?
Without doubt E = mc 2 is the world’s most famous equation. This page explains what E = mc 2 means in simple terms and some of its consequences .
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You can hear it every time from police who shot their suspect, that they were frightened for their life. This is their job, and they should care about other people’s lives first and foremost. Says much about the police, they are as dangerous as a cray-cray with a rifle. Better to avoid them altogether.
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The “good guys”with the guns did not even attempt to stop the “bad guy”with an AR-15. They knew they were outgunned and they failed to do their duty….
And therein lies the problem… and of course you know what the NRA’s solution will be: give the teachers and “good guys” better weapons, body armor, and make the schools less inviting targets for “bad guys”…. Kids who learn to live in a world with surveillance cameras, armed guards, and walls with razor wire will be safe and secure… Big Brother will look after them…
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Diane my husband has been a high school teacher in Miami for 30years and one of his biggest complaints is that the school police officer and security guards are not doing their jobs. He said last week a student was walking down the hall smoking a joint! Why aren’t these people held accountable? If Cruz knew he wouldn’t have been able to enter the school, this may not have happened.
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Maybe they all had bone spurs …
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Wow. The pure fantasy from the NRA and white House is horrific. They are kill happy.
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I wish they’d turn on each other and do the people a favor.
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I taught for 39 years. I was in a school that experienced a shooting BEFORE Columbine. These are my thoughts: https://theqviewblog.wordpress.com/2018/02/23/arm-teachers-bs/
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OMG. Thank you. Errnie.
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The NRA is a lobbying organization that support gun manufacturers. Their sole purpose is to help gun makers sell more guns, even if it means putting them into the hands of teachers. The day a staff member in my school is allowed to carry a loaded weapon, in the presence of children, is the day I quit teaching.
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I am a former Marine as well as a teacher. I qualified with an M-14 and an AR-15. I have also fired an m1A1 1911 .45 caliber automatic pistol, which is a sem-automatic weapon. IN each case I was firing on a stationary paper target that was not shooting back.
Marines who are not NCOs (E-3 corporal or above) in all likelihood do not train with handguns, because they are not all that useful in combat situations. I would suspect that even most NCOs and officers are far from proficient with handgun as a result of their Marine training.
But then again, Trump, who is several weeks younger than me, was never in the military (“Cadet Bone-spurs” as Sen. Duckworth calls him) so he has no idea what he is talking about.
When I asked my students if they thought any teachers should be armed, they were unanimously negative – there are lots of reasons, including that a student could get a gun away from a teacher, and imagine SWAT coming onto the scene and seeing a gun fight and not knowing who is the “bad” and who the “good” guy with a gun and therefore shooting both.
Trump -and the NRA – wants us arguing over this ridiculous idea to suck up all the oxygen so we don’t do what we should – ban these military weapons from civilian ownership, as Australia effectively did after the Port Arthur shooting in 1996 – and oh by the way Australia has not had a mass shooting since.
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Excellent response TeacherKen. May I quote you?
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If you want to.
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Semper Fi.
There is a reason most Marines are trained with automatic weapons like an AR-15 to work as a unit and interlock their fields of fire to hit as many targets as possible.
In combat situations, the trained troops don’t have time to set up like on a firing range, take calming breaths and focus on that target. In a combat situation, we all aim in the direction we think the enemy is firing from and empty one magazine after another as we were trained.
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“Semper Fi” from one former Marine to another.
There is a reason most Marines are trained with automatic weapons like an AR-15 to work as a unit and interlock their fields of fire to hit as many targets as possible.
In combat situations, the trained troops don’t have time to set up like they do on a firing range, take calming breaths and focus on the distant target. Trained snipers usually have the luxury from hundreds of yards away in a hidden location.
In a combat situation, the troops being fire on all aim in the direction we think the enemy is firing from and empty one magazine after another as we were trained. We literally fill the air with a tsunami of slugs of metal called rounds, and if there are innocent civilians hit, they are called collateral damage. Since 2001 to present over 31,000 civilian deaths, called collateral damage, have been documented in Afghanistan alone. In Iraq, that number has been estimated between 150,000 to 460,000.
There’s a reason that General Sherman, in the late 19th century, said war is hell.
Will Trump call students accidentally hit by teachers collateral damage? I don’t think so. Trump will crucify any teacher that misses the shooter and accidentally hits an innocent child because Trump is not only a serial liar, a conman, a groping serial molester of women, but he is also a dangerous ignorant fool with tiny twitter fingers.
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I’ve wondered about the security guard there. What kind of firearm did he have? Was he even wearing a bullet proof vest? Perhaps he thought that there was no way he could stand against an AR. Maybe he thought that he might kill innocent students accidentally. Maybe he thought the shooter could have a bomb. Maybe he was thinking about dying and his family having no husband or father. Maybe he was happy to retire soon. Who knows.
I don’t know what happened in this case but I can certainly see why an officer wouldn’t want to go into this situation alone and possibly underarmed and without the proper safety attire, if that’s what happened. It’s another problem here. How do officers handle a shooter who has weapons they may not have?
It’s amazing. Teachers are not even trusted to correct their own exams at the end of the year. They’re micromanaged at every turn. They’re stressed out and tired. They are held to ridiculous standards in outrageous evaluation schemes. Now we are going to ask them to be a saint if they carry a weapon and possibly kill someone or a demon if they don’t die for their students at their workplace. This is all so that our citizens can have the “right” to have these weapons which were meant for one thing – to kill people. It’s truly sick.
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Some of the best arguments AGAINST arming teachers. Sheer craziness. And, Trump’s comments just highlight the fact that he is UNFIT for the job of president.
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Idiot-in-Chief knows nothing; he is the 7 deadly sins.
Boulder Valley Schools voted to NOT TO ARM teachers. http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-county-schools/ci_31688327/boulder-valley-school-district-rejects-suggestion-arm-teachers
Boulder needs to deal with assault weapons now.
http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boulder/ci_31681638/boulder-assault-rifle-ban?source=most_viewed
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I don’t know how many female teachers are veterans, but the percentage of female college students that are veterans is now larger than when baby bomers were in college. Fort Hood had a lot of military personnel, but still wasn’t immune.
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Soldiers are not allowed to carry guns on base unless they are security guards or MP
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You are mistaken. I spent ten(10) years in Iraq/Afghanistan on military bases. Every uniformed soldier and marine (as well as navy and Air Force) are required to carry either a pistol or a rifle, at all times. (Unless on alert, the weapon is condition four (ammunition removed).
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On American bases? When the shooter began killing other soldiers at Fort Hood, none was armed.
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On all bases in a combat zone, it is mandatory for all military personnel to be armed at all times. In the USA, it varies from base to base. I served in the Air Force for five(5) years, and I was never issued a firearm.
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Miltary bases in the US are not combat zones.
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When I was a Marine and I was stationed at Camp Pendleton after Vietnam, if we had a firearm, we didn’t have ammo. Ammo was only issued when needed. For instance, when we were on the fire range qualifying.
I don’t know if that has changed or not. I know some younger Marines so I will ask.
I found this on Snopes:
Steven Bucci, a military expert for The Heritage Foundation who served 28 years in the Army and retired in 2005 with the rank of colonel, said, “We have never had our soldiers walking around with weapons all the time, other than in combat zones,” he added, noting only Military Police have had that authority.
https://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/baseguns.asp
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“Here’s an idea”
Instead of arming teachers
Disarm the politicians
And cheering from the bleachers
For all their dumb positions
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