Jersey Jazzman explores the flap in New York about certification–or lack thereof–for charter school teachers.
The charter industry says, if we get the test scores, we don’t need teachers with masters’ degrees or certification…
JJ says:
Yes, “better results” are all that matters, no matter how practically small they may be. And no matter how you got them: if your gains are from student attrition, or narrowing the curriculum, or onerous disciplinary policies that drive out students, or resource advantages, that’s just fine with SUNY (State University of New York). You should be able to bypass the teacher certification rules the loser NYC district schools have to follow, so long as those test scores stay high…
We’ve been through this over on my side of the Hudson. The charters, usually affiliated with larger networks, believe that their “successes” entitle them to train their own staffs outside of standard regulation by the state. The theory seems to be that traditional university-based teacher training programs are too… well, traditional.
…they shouldn’t have to subject their teachers to all that boring research and theory and intellectual inquisitiveness and whatnot. Just bring these prospective teachers into the charters, let them soak up the awesomeness, and then put them into schools…
Oh, sorry: charter schools. The data is thin, but that’s what appears to be happening with the Relay “Graduate” “School” of “Education,” the premier charter teacher training center in the Northeast. Despite some unsourced claims from Relay’s leadership, and some professional development contracts with districts like Newark and Camden and Philadelphia, it’s clear that Relay has become more a staffing firm for a particular group of charter chains than a broad provider of teacher training.
Relay is a phony “graduate” school. There is no faculty. No library. No research. Just charter teachers teaching other charter teachers. How to be awesome.
As Bruce Baker and Gary Miron have pointed out, this leads to a “company store” style of professional development, where charter teachers essentially pay back a part of their wages to their employers (or their employers’ partners) in exchange for the right to continuing working at their jobs — usually for lower wages than their public district school counterparts.
As many have noted, Relay is steeped in the “no excuses” style of pedagogy, exemplified by Doug Lemov’s Teach Like a Champion. I contend it’s a type of teaching that would never, ever be accepted out in the leafy ‘burbs; one that makes the teacher the focus of the classroom instead of the student. This is yet another instance of the charter industry selling its schools as an antidote to race and class inequality, even as it imposes a different kind of schooling on urban students of color than the schooling found in affluent, majority-white suburban schools.
Relay has been at it for a few years now, but I’ve yet to see any empirical evidence that they’re doing any better than the university-based teacher training programs. Relay is placing most of its teachers into a separate group of schools, and most (if not all) of the teachers in those schools are being trained by Relay. Both Relay and its client charter schools make what Angus Shiva Mungal calls a “parallel education structure.” We’re not likely to see many Relay grads move into jobs currently held by traditionally trained teachers, which is what we would need to properly compare the two training paths.
Still, Relay has had to at least adhere to the form of university-based teacher training. Their “professors” may be inexperienced and utterly lacking in scholarly qualifications, but their graduates do get an actual teaching certification, based on a “graduate” “school” teacher training program. The SUNY proposal, however, does away with even the pretense of college-level training.
TFA and Relay will destroy the teaching profession if they can manage it.
They are a destructive force in education.

I worked in a public school in Brooklyn, NY for eight years and have successfully gone on to work in public and charter (not for profit) schools as a Literacy Specialist, Literacy Coach and District level ELA Curriculum Coordinator.
I started as a NYC Teaching Fellow. I didn’t have a degree in teaching. I had six weeks of training from the NYCTF program. I did earn a MA in Elementary Education and one in Literacy… eventually. However, I passed my “tests” by as little as ten points.
My mom was a nurse and passed her certification exam by six points (guess it runs in the family). She was one of the best nurses UVA ever had and was constantly praised by colleagues, supervisors, and her patients.
I don’t believe that standardized tests will ever be a true measure of a student’s ability to read and write. I don’t believe the tests I took or my SATs (860.. total) are a true measure of my abilities. Nor do I believe my mom’s score is a true measure of her abilities. Why would we heap the same measures on adults that we constantly fight against for students?
To me? This isn’t a charter or public school issue. This is just another way states make money off of those that need “licenses” or “certifications”. The cost to take these tests are insane and just like there are numerous ways that are more able to measure a student’s abilities; there are better ways for teachers too.
I apologize for any typos/mistakes. I did this from my phone.
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There MIGHT be an argument for charters to use uncertified teachers IF they were actually getting the results with the students they were originally mandated to educate — all the at-risk children who have no choice but failing public schools where they are – of course – failing.
Instead, we have the Success Academy Michael J. Petrilli-approved method of charter operation. Charters are just for the “strivers” — the at-risk children who care and the definition of a child who cares is any child who can be taught by an ill-trained charter school teacher! After all, by age 5 or 6 the non-strivers can be recognized and showed the door.
It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy and guarantees 100% success rate because if that poorly trained teacher can’t teach the kid, it’s always the child’s fault as he just doesn’t want to learn.
Charlotte Dial is the ideal teacher to train other charter school teachers in the SUNY Charter Institute-approved method. Because there are 2 parts — the first is “teaching by rote” where you parrot whatever your lesson plan tells you to parrot. And the second — most important — is how to get rid of the students who don’t learn when you teach by rote. That is targeting and harassing and humiliating and suspending until they leave. There is a reason that Dial was a MODEL teacher and that is why when the assistant teacher tried to speak with her superiors about what was going on in the classroom, it was “suggested” she get with the program or leave. Just like Trump’s “suggestion” to Comey to drop the investigation into his pal’s ties to Russia or be fired. It’s not a coincidence that in both cases, the only reason the unprincipled people were caught was because they chose to document what was going on.
One very nasty little Success Academy method is called flunking the unworthy child who your ill-trained teachers have failed with. The number of children held back at Success Academy is the great unknown, although whenever they want to justify how many children disappear before 3rd grade testing they always mention that many were “retained” — a nice word for “we plan to fail them until their parent figure out how to catch them up or pulls them out because they are 9 years old and still in 2nd grade.”
It is shocking to me that SUNY Charter Institute is the Republican Party to Eva Moskowitz’ Trump. They will never investigate because she is getting done exactly what they want her to get done — pretending that charters have the secret sauce to provide a perfect education to every at-risk kids using cheap, interchangeable teachers trained at Relay Graduate School.
The investigation would show that in fact, the reason Success Academy expanded into affluent neighborhoods and drop[ed any priority for at-risk kids zoned for failing public schools (with SUNY cheering them on) is because they don’t actually want to educate an outrageously high number of those at-risk kids who — according to Michael Petrilli — are non-strivers who don’t deserve decently funded schools anyway.
I suspect the reason that Eva Moskowitz is so enamored of Betsy DeVos is that soon she won’t have to worry about NY State law that says she can’t get rid of non-strivers just because her Relay-trained teachers are failing to teach them. She’ll simply be given carte blanche to do whatever she wants. In fact, that’s what SUNY has already given her, but they are acting improperly in doing so. I hope a journalist looks closely at SUNY’s nasty little relationship enabling Success Academy to be beyond any oversight as long as the students who remain have good test scores. It is an ugly bit off corruption and there needs to be a real investigation of the corrupt way that SUNY runs their oversight when it comes to Success Academy.
In April SUNY decided to renew 10 Success Academy charters much earlier than they should have and the NY State Regents didn’t like it but their hands were tied. Because SUNY is the only entity who does oversight. And just like the Republicans in Congress, SUNY will do nothing because their marching orders come from the rich billionaires who want certain things done. SUNY Charter Institute is more than happy to comply. They are complicit.
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I agree that Relay, et al, are not valid teaching programs but neither is the garbage you are forced to learn in traditional teacher course work. Most of the “information” you are required to learn is from folks who have not been in front of a class for years, if ever, and based on subjective ‘studies’ that masquerade as fact.
I’m a career changer and my students have been very successful because I used approaches to pedigogy based on empirical evidence, and common sense, Langley ignoring what I had been taught in the traditional teaching curriculum.
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SFH, that is a very broad generalization. In my teacher prep program (Univ Central FL), I studied with several teachers who were currently practicing and then taught candidates in the evening. I also studied with several well-respected scholars the fields of child development, assessment, and my content area (music). I wouldn’t expect them to be practicing teachers, but they had very useful information I still draw on today.
I don’t disagree teacher prep in the colleges and universities could improve. But I’ve seen little evidence the curricula in the state colleges and universities (where much teacher prep is done) is best characterized as “garbage.”
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JJ,
Teachers don’t need to have credentials or formal certification any more than airline pilots, plumbers, and neurosurgeons. What’s the big deal?
Stop whining . . . . This is America. Get with the program.
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Low socio-economic kids “need a different type of teacher”… i.e. a graduate of the Relay G.S.E. (Graduate School of Education)… according to one of Relay’s proponents.
Sometimes it is within an article’s COMMENTS section that corporate ed. reformers reveal themselves “not wisely but too well,” to quote The Bard.
(In one COMMENTS section, Dmitry Melhorn owned up to the fact that, yeah, we ARE, IN FACT, out to wipe out all traditional public schools .. something denied repeatedly by corporate reformers such as Secretary Devos, who instead lie their heads off and claim that they seek an idyllic “family of schools” — private, traditional public, public charter — all co-existing in peace and harmony. Yeah, right. You mean like they have in New Orleans?)
For example, a Relay G.S.E. supporter got into it with Denver’s Jeanne Kaplan — and one other person calling himself “CONCERNED EDUCATOR” — in the COMMENTS section of an article covering Relay’s expansion into Denver. Alas, this Relay person deleted all of his/her COMMENTS before I arrived at the article and its COMMENTS section.
This article included quotes from both Relay G.S.E. supporters and opponents:
http://www.chalkbeat.org/posts/co/2016/09/13/new-teacher-training-favored-by-charters-comes-to-denver-as-critics-sound-off/
First of all, in the COMMENTS section, this “Relay Proponent” kind of let some cats out of the bag with what he/she posted, then deleted everything that he or she posted (with quote remnants present in the Comments responding to him or her. I’m calling this poster “Relay Proponent” as her or she deleted her on-line handle along with his/her posts.)
Check out this doozy (an actual quote) that includes Relay Proponent’s claim that Relay pedagogy should only be used in poor communities, not in wealthy communities:
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RELAY PROPONENT:
“Kids from less affluent areas are typically raised in a much different household than those in affluent households. Moreover, those kids raised in affluent households in most cases need less teaching and structure and more flexibility.
“If they’re in an affluent family, they likely have educated parents, and are being afforded opportunities in their family life to learn.
“Kids from impoverished areas? Not so much. They need structure in their classroom. They need to be reminded to track and listen to the teacher most likely.
“They need a different type of teacher.”
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Oh boy, this got Relay critic CONCERNED EDUCATOR riled up:
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CONCERNED EDUCATOR:
“I want to just point out that, by placing students of low socio-economic status in this light, you have highlighted a very important gap that we are perpetuating by allowing the language of Relay (G.S.E) to continue.
“Yes, students who grow in homes with severe trauma need specific psychological structures and interventions in place, because their brains function differently, and have been altered by the toxic stress.
“However, NOT ALL STUDENTS IN POVERTY HAVE GROWN UP IN TOXIC STRESS ENVIRONMENTS. Making this assumption lowers our expectations, and devalues those students. You are making assumptions that devalue children, and Relay perpetuates that.
“We can value the culture of our students without assuming that culture is negative.
“In addition, assuming that our impoverished children ‘need’ a negative, controlling structure creates prison-like environments, where we do not teach critical thinking skills or self-awareness, but lock children into negative patterns of thought and behavior.
“We also perpetuate the opportunity gap, because we are denying students the opportunity to have the education that wealthy white students have, simply by making the assumption that ‘those students need structure.’
“ALL CHILDREN NEED STRUCTURE. ALL children also deserve the opportunity to have an education that prepares them to excel to their greatest potential, which does not mean treating them like prisoners.
“Relay perpetuates this cycle of creating sub-par education for students, based on the excuse of ‘those kids’ (always meaning children in poverty and non-white children) needing more ‘structure’. SOME students with trauma need more specific interventions, but ALL children deserve the chance to be a child.”
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RELAY PROPONENT, in another deleted COMMENT of his/hers, then incorrectly claims that Relay students attend Relay G.S.E. “to earn their Master’s Degrees.”
Jeanne Kaplan’s replies that Relay G.S.E. most certainly does NOT award accredited “Master’s Degrees.”
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JEANNE KAPLAN:
” ‘To earn their master’s degrees…’
“Teachers (attending Relay G.S.E) cannot acquire a Master’s Degree because the ‘Relay Graduate School of Education’ is not a certified Graduate Program.
“The (Relay G.S.E.) ‘degree’ is bogus.
“Students are being taught by unlicensed people.”
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In another deleted comment (which I’m reconstructing, using inferences drawn from Jeanne Kaplan’s reply to her … sorry no exact quotes this time) RELAY PROPONENT replies to Kaplan’s accurate statement — Relay G.S.E. is not accredited, and thus can issue not legitimate “degreets” — by saying that traditional teaching programs are all failures according to the data, and that research proves that Relay alone works with low income children. RELAY PROPONENT claimed that Kaplan has “no research” proving the efficacy of traditional teaching programs, and that any data that Kaplan could offer to the contrary comes from “biased resources”, again, according to RELAY PROPONENT.
Again, from Kaplan’s response, it can be inferred that, in making his/her point, “RELAY PROPONENT also called Kaplan names, and insulted Kaplan (again, no quotes, just reasonable inferences from what Kaplan replied … I’d love to know exactly what “names” that RELAY PROPONENT called Kaplan… if you’re reading this, Jeanne, please chime in.)
At this point, Jeanne Kaplan simply ain’t havin’ it.
Kaplan also wants to know if Relay is paying rent at the Denver public school building where it holds it courses:
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JEANNE KAPLAN: (to RELAY PROPONENT)
“Who are you?
“Identify yourself, at least. I could say the same about you. I could also call you names. That is the MO of most ‘debates’ in America today.
” ‘Biased resources.’ Only you ignore data that shows repeated failure.
“As for no research — I beg to differ. I have actually talked to people who have undergone the Relay (G.S.E.) indoctrination. Some have quit. Many have ended up
in great debt.
“I ask again : is Relay paying rent?
“And please don’t take the chicken way out and not identify yourself. Transparency is another trait lost in ‘education reform.’ ”
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Relay Proponent didn’t just “take the chicken way out” and not identify himself/herself. He/she deleted everything which he/she had earlier posted.
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Relay is an example of the migration of training for corporate and military settings into elementary and secondary schools. Relay trains teachers bootcamp no-nonsense methods of securing compliance from students. Teachers and their students are trained to answer questions posed by others, follow rules, and to pass a limited array of questions on academic tests. In contrast Relay’s focus on training, education entails asking questions and posing problems, conducting inquiries and making sound judgments under conditions of uncertainty.
Money to support of Relay-trained teachers and students flows to URBAN education, where the term “urban’ means low-income communities and their assumed need for lessons in compliance, following rules, and not asking many questions.
From the website of Relay Graduate School of Education, July 13, 2017. https://www.relay.edu/about-us/partners
“Relay grew out of the shared work of three of the nation’s largest and most successful charter school networks: Uncommon Schools, KIPP, and Achievement First. Over 20 years, these organizations have shaped a new generation of 230 urban public schools that serve more than 80,000 students across the country.
Who supports Relay? Begin with some grants from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and notice how the idea of developing and expanding inferior teacher preparation is presented as if a phony graduate program for teachers is “innovative,” important in “transforming” teacher preparation, and worthy of being widely copied. These are Gates grants to Relay.
Date: November 2012, Purpose: to support a strategic growth plan for Relay Graduate School of Education Amount: $200,000.
Date: December 2013 , Purpose: to support the planning and design of an innovative approach to teacher preparation,
Date: November 2015 Purpose: to support the establishment of teacher preparation transformation centers that will provide technical assistance, serve as a data center, and serve as a disseminator of practice, Amount: $6,872,650.
Date: June 2016, Purpose: to Relay Graduate School of Education to support Communications and dissemination activities for the Teacher Prep Transformation Centers $12,000
At the Relay website, we learn about various Partners with Relay
National Partners of Relay:
Americorps, Deans for Impact, CityYear.
Public School Partners (partial list)
Denver Public Schools, District of Columbia Public Schools, New York City Public Schools, Shelby County Public Schools (KY), Colonial School District (PA), The School District of Philadelphia School Reform Commissions, Hartford Public Schools, New Haven Public Schools/New Haven School Change. Alief Independent School District (TX), San Antonio Independent School District.
Charter Networks
Mastery Public Schools (Philadelphia and Camden), Nobel Network of Charter Schools (Chicago), KIPP Houston Public Schools, Uncommon Schools (Boston, Newark, Rochester and Troy, NY: Camden, NJ), Achievement First (Brooklyn, NY, Connecticut, Rhode Island), Harlem Children’s Zone, RePublic Schools (Jackson, MS; Nashville, TN); Firstline Schools (New Orleans), DSST public schools (Denver’ STEM schools), KIPP New Orleans Schools, Crescent City Schools (New Orleans), Rocky Mountain Prep (Denver), Strive Preparatory Schools (Denver), University Prep Seattle), and KIPP Colorado. Add Teach for America five-week training program with current teachers and alumni active in 53 communities in nearly 40 states.
Donors:
Charles and Lynn Schusterman Family Foundation, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, The Walton Family Foundation, Carnegie Corporation of New York, Overdeck Family Foundation, Laura and John Arnold Foundation
City Education Partners (San Antonio), Daniels Fund (Denver), Education Forward DC, Project Renaissance (Nashville, TN), New Schools for Baton Rouge, The William R. Kenan,Jr. Charitable Trust (North Carolina, Kentucky, New York, Florida), Houston Endowment, Raise Your Hand Texas, Memphis Education Fund.
Relay, TFA, and the schools and donors supporting them do not want teachers and students who are well-educated. They prefer well trained unthinking rule-followers. That is not just sad. It is dangerous….unless you believe in authoritarian rule and have nothing but distain for a democracy.
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Relay “graduate” school of education is a farce. It consists of charter teachers teaching future charter teachers how to raise test scores and demand obedience. Might as well call it the Graduate School of Trained Seals. I have reviewed the websites for the various “campuses,” and didn’t see any research or scholars or library or, in most cases, a physical campus. No one will leave with a meaningful degree or memories of their days at Relay.
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This makes me think back to the compliment, “You are a born teacher.” No. No. (As if I could do this naturally/motherly/instinctively). Teaching is an acquired skill/ability. I studied; practiced; researched and acquired the skill to be a certified teacher. I am no less competent in my field than an architect who designs after training or a physician who acquired the skill of surgery. You aren’t born with this great skill–you acquire through your own qualities and study and more study to learn applications…through education/training.
Anyone can be a teacher?–is what I’m hearing through the charter teacher prep qualifications. We need you to be a teacher in our charter school–voila–just take our teacher prep classes–you can earn a salary. Hopefully you’ll leave in a year or two–as is the demonstrated experience.
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Thank you debra for your confirmation of “You aren’t born with this great skill–you acquire through your own qualities and study and more study to learn applications…through education/training.”
I completely agree with you.
IMHO, even there is a genius or a natural diamond, a genius still needs a guidance/teacher and a nature diamond needs to be polished/ sharpened by jeweler. Back2basic
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I’m sorry, but I can’t get the image out of my mind of all those “Relay” stores that sell overpriced sundries in airports.
Also training teachers?!
Sarcasm is the devils weapon! (But Relay IS the devil.)
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