According to New York magazine, the votes in three swing states--Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin–are suspicious and should be audited. Clinton’s lead over Trump in the popular vote is now 1.75 million and still rising.
Hillary Clinton is being urged by a group of prominent computer scientists and election lawyers to call for a recount in three swing states won by Donald Trump, New York has learned. The group, which includes voting-rights attorney John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, believes they’ve found persuasive evidence that results in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania may have been manipulated or hacked. The group is so far not speaking on the record about their findings and is focused on lobbying the Clinton team in private.
Last Thursday, the activists held a conference call with Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and campaign general counsel Marc Elias to make their case, according to a source briefed on the call. The academics presented findings showing that in Wisconsin, Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots. Based on this statistical analysis, Clinton may have been denied as many as 30,000 votes; she lost Wisconsin by 27,000. While it’s important to note the group has not found proof of hacking or manipulation, they are arguing to the campaign that the suspicious pattern merits an independent review — especially in light of the fact that the Obama White House has accused the Russian government of hacking the Democratic National Committee…
The Clinton camp is running out of time to challenge the election. According to one of the activists, the deadline in Wisconsin to file for a recount is Friday; in Pennsylvania, it’s Monday; and Michigan is next Wednesday. Whether Clinton will call for a recount remains unclear. The academics so far have only a circumstantial case that would require not just a recount but a forensic audit of voting machines. Also complicating matters, a senior Clinton adviser said, is that the White House, focused on a smooth transfer of power, does not want Clinton to challenge the election result. Clinton communications director Jennifer Palmieri did not respond to a request for comment. But some Clinton allies are intent on pushing the issue. This afternoon, Huma Abedin’s sister Heba encouraged her Facebook followers to lobby the Justice Department to audit the 2016 vote. “Call the DOJ…and tell them you want the votes audited,” she wrote. “Even if it’s busy, keep calling.”
Do you really think if there had been anything shady with the election Trump’s approval ratings would be exceeding 60% and the stock markets would be so confident? The DOW has never ended ABOVE 19,000 before!
Liberals wanted Trump to accept the election results. Why don’t they have to accept them?
Let help you with this all Presidents come in with approval rating near or exceeding 60% . Obama’s was 69%, LBJ close to 80%. Carter 69%, Clinton 60%Bush 60%.
The 40% of Americans who don’t vote ever are included in that number. Forget how many would not be able to name their congressman or senator . A good portion of that number could not name the vice presidential candidate of either party..
As for the stock market which you know little to nothing about, what do you think that means?. On the night of the election Diane was in a panic that the markets were falling . It was living proof that investors disproved of Trump . It wasn’t and it isn’t proof that they approve of him now. The markets are reacting to the fact that the Republicans will all of a sudden stop screaming about the debt and enact a stimulus package which sets the economy on fire . A package larger than that which was given to Obama in the depths of the financial collapse. In short order as interest rates start to rise the euphoria will disappear. What are the price to earnings ratios of these stocks? Are they above trend lines?
There were two market crashes under the Bush administration they must have been a referendum on his presidency.
The reason you know nothing about the market, is the fact that you attribute the “IRRATIONAL EXUBERANCE” , to some sort of meaning. Wake me up in 3 months when higher mortgage & interest rates start slowing the economy. .A year before the they start dropping money from helicopters .
Or interest rates don’t rise in short order, and the euphoria disappears anyway because earnings estimates aren’t rising.
If Clinton was so popular with voters Trumps numbers would not be rising and her foundation numbers would not be tanking. Norway just announced an 87% DECREASE in it’s donation to the foundation for next year.
There were record numbers of voters this year that had NEVER voted in previous elections, but liberal protesters readily admit in large numbers they never voted because they did not like Clinton.
The market always ebbs and flows. But on election night it stabilized and began a steady climb. Investors invest because they see growth potential … something we have not seen for years.
Only a fool would think everything is going to be sunshine and roses from here on out. It will be hard work, but it will be our work that makes things better, not governmental promises.
FlERP
They are already rising up half a point since the election . But you are correct about earnings .
I have no objection to stimulative policy which may in fact raise income justifying higher share values . But attributing fluctuations in speculative markets to the support of a candidate is absurd.
Linda Giffin
No “government promises ” just the printing of a trillion dollars for infrastructure . When technically !! the economy is at full employment. In 2008 Paulson went shaking at the knees to Congress predicting the end of capitalism as we know it if the Banks were not bailed out . Obama inherited a horrific recession and the republicans limited him to 750 Billion half of that in tax cuts to wealthier individuals.
“It will be hard work, but it will be our work that makes things better, not governmental promises.”
A very catchy phrase !!!!! What work do you plan on doing ?
The reasons are written right above you. Read.
To Linda Giffin:
We must follow “the” advice from President elect:
1) Electoral system was rigged – popular votes represents voters’ intention as per President elect’s warning
2) What do we have to lose? Do whatever as per legal loop-holes permit.
3) it is time for all conscientious Republicans and Democrats in House of Congressmen/ women, House of Senators and Supreme Court STOP PLAYING dangerous game with people of AMERICA.
4) All honest working Americans are smart enough to recognize that gang hyenas cannot be the PRIDE of LIONS when it comes to deal with STRONG enemies in terms of strategies.
5) Enemies will eat America alive because DIVISIVENESS and HATRED surely cause destabilization, mistrust and hopeless in all aspects in economy, security, the well-being of all white and blue collar workers, and the welfare of America.
6) Please remember that blue or red is PHONY. Being humanity and civility is the real issue for the well-being of ALL Americans and the welfare of America. Back2basic
Your headline is cute, but incorrect.
This is what the group said, “Based on this statistical analysis, Clinton may have been denied as many as 30,000 votes; she lost Wisconsin by 27,000.
WHILE IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THE GROUP HAS NOT FOUND PROOF OF HACKING OR MANIPULATION
they are arguing to the campaign that the suspicious pattern merits an independent review…”
And now we are back at 2000. Except now the shoe is on the other foot. And maybe, just maybe, Democrats will now learn that changing rules might not be as smart as they think it is. They already found out with the rule change in the Senate, forced by Reid, will cause them problems.
Rudy,
The shoe is on the same foot
Remember: In 2000 everyone complained that Bush wanted this recount, and there was talk of “rigged” voting machines…
Rudy,
Bush sued to STOP the recount.
What Bush tried to stop was yet ANOTHER count, after the recount, as allowed by law, was already completed…
“In Bush v. Gore (2000), a divided Supreme Court ruled that the state of Florida’s court-ordered manual recount of vote ballots in the 2000 presidential election was unconstitutional. The case proved to be the climax of the contentious presidential race between Vice President Al Gore and Texas Governor George W. Bush. The outcome of the election hinged on Florida, where Governor Bush led Vice President Gore by about 1,800 votes the morning after Election Day. Because the returns were so close, Florida law called for an automatic machine recount of ballots. The recount resulted in a dramatic tightening of the race, leaving Bush with a bare 327-vote lead out of almost 6 million ballots cast. With the race so close, Florida law allowed Gore the option of “manual vote recounts” in the counties of his choosing. Gore opted for manual recounts in four counties with widespread complaints of voting machine malfunction: Broward, Miami-Dade, Volusia, and Palm Beach. However, Florida law also required that the state’s election results be certified by the Secretary of State, Katherine Harris, within seven days of the election (by November 14, 2000). Three of the four counties, frantically laboring through the tedious manual recount, were unable to complete the process by the deadline.”
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And interestingly enough, it was a Democrat who was responsible for confused voters:
“Congressional leaders, Democratic officials and Gore aides blamed the Palm Beach County election supervisor, Theresa LePore. Ms. LePore, who redesigned the county’s ballot this year, said she had hoped to make it easier to read for the county’s many elderly voters. Ms. LePore is a Democrat.
In an interview on Tuesday with the Sun-Sentinel of Fort Lauderdale, Ms. LePore said she did not think the ballot was confusing. ”I was trying to make the print bigger so elderly people in Palm Beach County can read it,” she said. ”If I’d made it small, they would’ve said we made the print too small.””
By the way what was the result the last time the will of the majority of Americans was not followed .
3000 dead boys in Iraq . a million dead Iraqis . The Middle East on fire.
Now I can make the argument that a Republicrat named Clinton deregulated the banks. But the same guy whose negligence allowed “those towers to come down” . Sat there for eight years and watched a ticking time bomb that almost ended the capitalist system as we know it . Which is what would have happened if the banks were not bailed out to the to the tune of 17 Trillion dollars . Between Tarp and the Federal Reserve . If not for socialism (you might get that) the derivatives market would have unwound and the system would have gone kaput.
So that was the last time the will of the people was thwarted. But this is going to be an interesting ride or more likely painful ride . Garbage in garbage out.
Good news! Trump is acting very presidential! He is already breaking promises left and right. See how much he wants to be like his predecessor???
Evidently, Trump will break all the promises he made when campaigning. It was just another version of “The Apprentice,” just another reality TV show. Give ’em the old razzle-dazzle, razzle-dazzle ’em. (from the Kander-Ebb show, “Chicago”). That’s the song of the lawyer who bamboozles juries for a living. Great show (and movie). I highly recommend it.
Trumped
Obama made over 600 promises. He kept about thirty of those. That is about FIVE %.
And according to, at the time speaker, Pelosi, “The president kept all the promises he INTENDED to keep.
Of course, many people running for public office have the same illness.
Trump is backing out of his central promises.
There will not be a wall. If there were, Mexico won’t pay for it.
He will not put Hillary in jail. It was a great applause line.
He will not deport every undocumented person.
He will drain the swamp.
His transition teams are denizens of the swamp.
So, four of these you have complained about consistently, Now you are complaining because he broke them??? Wish you would make up your mind!
A headline I reacted to elsewhere: “Whoopi Goldberg: Anyone Who Didnt Vote for Hillary is Stupid, You Havent Done Your Homeworkl”
So I checked. And it is definitely NOT what Ms. Goldberg said. What she did say, however, is that every voter needs to do their homework before they vote, so they can be an educated voter.
I hope Trump breaks all his promises.
Rudy, you show your ignorance, again, Candidates running for president can make all the promises they want knowing that they can do little if anything without cooperation from Congress and the U.S. Supreme Court.
Congress, not the president, makes the laws and approves the federal budget. Congress and the states are the only ones who can change the U.S. Constitution. Congress can also override a presidential veto.
I knew she should have never conceded the election.
Yes, and it breaks my heart to hear that Hillary is put in this awkward position now. It seems that if there’s evidence of vote-tally manipulation, it should be up to law-enforcement officials to investigate, not the “losing” candidate.
The numbers didn’t smell right to a lot of us, but, as usual, there doesn’t seem to be a way to prove anything when electronic voting is involved. All the more reason for paper ballots only.
The fact that Republican governors head these states, or headed them until recently, makes me all the more suspicious.
Actually, I read last night that Michigan is paper ballots only, and that’s why the votes are still being counted. Heck, maybe she’ll actually win that state!
I would check on Florida. And maybe even North Carolina. The numbers are suspicious there, too. Sigh.
Do the dead still vote for Democrats in states led by Democrat governors, or is that only in Illinois, where there is a Democrat majority in state government?
Apparently the dead and many ghosts located in Russia voted for Trump.
Rudy, does Illinois have a Democratic governor? I thought Bruce Rauner was a Republican? What happened to all those dead people who vote for Dems in Illinois? Did they forget to send in their absentee ballots?
Rudy, since there are so many dead people voting for so-called “liberal” Democrats, explain how the GOP controls both Houses of Congress, and the legislatures and governors mansions in a majority of the states.
If there are dead people voting, I think it is arguable, that they are dead Republicans. Click the link; look at the map. How much of that map is RED.
https://ballotpedia.org/Gubernatorial_and_legislative_party_control_of_state_government
Since, 2000, two GOP presidents have been elected through the Electoral College while losing the popular vote. How did that happen if those so-called “liberal” Democrats are rigging the elections using ghosts who vote? Maybe those so-called “liberals” don’t have enough ghosts voting, or maybe the GOP has more of those voters.
How well has the country done with GOP presidents?
Caught lying with his own tapes, Nixon resigned the presidency to avoid being the only president in U.S. history to face a successful impeachment.
President Reagan introduced trickle down eon comics and exploded the national debt from $168.89 billion to $2.6 Trillion.
G. H. W. Bush increased that debt to $4.351 Trillion.
Under Bill Clinton, $75.1 billion was added to the nation debt if we don’t count the interest from the debt he inherited from the two previous Republican presidents.
G. W. Bush added $6.64 Trillion to the debt.
How did that trickle down promise work out? The richest 10 percent now controls two-thirds of American’s net worth, and the bottom 80 percent are earning less than they did in 1979, a lot less compared to the top 20 percent who are earning a lot more and keeping it. That trickle down is really just a few drops now and then.
Americans that support the GOP were conned be Reagan, and are so foolish and gullible they keep getting conned repeatedly.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph
The comments I responded to were accusing states with republican governors of messing with results.
In my area of the country, Illinois is famous (?) for its use of dead voters. And the state had had a democrat majority in most of the last 60 years or so.
Not always a republican governor but definitely state house majority
If it’s okay to “suspect” republicans of messing with votes, Illinois has a PROVEN record of messing with votes, dating back to way before I ever moved here.
Rudy,
Evidently, Republicans have mastered the art of resurrecting dead voters at election time. Look at the number of states that went for Trump and the number of states with Republican governors. You are whining about an invalid complaint.
Illinois has a HORRIBLE governor currently, and, yes, he is a Republican.
. “Also complicating matters, a senior Clinton adviser said, is that the White House, focused on a smooth transfer of power, does not want Clinton to challenge the election result.”
Pretty much sums up the Obama presidency. If its messy, that would interfere with his legacy as the first Black President so never take a chance for the American people.
Appoint the same people who managed to allow the housing crises to develop ,who were supposed to be supervising the banks to manage the collapse .
What ever you do don’t prosecute one Banker not even for the LIBOR rate fixing scandal.
Don’t stand up to the Republicans on tax cuts .
Thank you Obama for Trump . This is a rejection of your legacy in the states where voting machines may have been tampered with . Don’t get your hands dirty trying to find out.
I used to ask if he took off the mask would we find out that Bush was still in the White House. .
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The Democrats and Hillary will do nothing. If the shoe were on the other foot, Trump and gang would loudly be contesting the results and demanding the recount. Meanwhile in North Carolina, the GOP loser is demanding a recount: North Carolina Republican Governor Pat McCrory has formally demanded a recount of all results in the state’s 100 counties. McCrory’s Democratic challenger Roy Cooper has already declared himself the winner, while the first-term governor has spent the past two weeks trying desperately to find ways to challenge the results of the gubernatorial race.
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/brody_levesque/_pat_mccrory_losing_north_carolina_race_demands_recount_citing_concerns_of_potential_voter_fraud
Agreed
The recount is officially correct when there is a less than 10,000 difference in votes. The current difference is around the 6500 mark
We are looking for fraud in the process ,not a miscount of a few votes here and there. If the voting process is being tampered with, possibly by a foreign power that should be of concern to all .
This was about the NC vote… There is no matter or question of fraud there – just a close count. All states have their rules as to when a recount is allowed…
My apologizes
Clinton’s lead over Trump in the popular vote is now 1.75 million and still rising.
Your link shows the lead to be 2.02 million as of this comment.
The popular vote is not the determining factor as can be seen in past elections, look at the 2000 election for example The Electoral College vote is the determining factor. The Electoral College is the one thing that keeps smaller states from becoming irrelevant in any presidential election. Don’t forget this country is a republic, not a democracy. Because of that distinction we have more rights and a consistency not seen in your typical democracy.
Linda: A republic happens to be a representative democracy. A republic is a form of democracy. All the presidents have alternately described America as a republic and a democracy. This country is a republic and a democracy for the reasons stated above. As for the electoral college, it does nothing for the smaller states. I am so sick of that bogus argument. The electoral college was a rube Goldberg mechanism devised to appease the slave states, it was a compromise to get the ball rolling.
I guess factcheck is wrong then?
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-reason-for-the-electoral-college/
Personally it is bad enough we give cows a vote in the US Senate . This country was founded on the principal that all men are created equal. Founded on the principal that there should be no taxation with out representation
It is past time that the founders fear of the people be overcome and the electoral college be eliminated.
As for rights please name those rights not found in other Western European Democracies . The right to have the highest poverty rate of first world nations. The right to have separate and unequal schools. The right to have more people in prison than Communist China who has three times our population. The right to have the most expensive healthcare with poor outcomes for the vast majority of our people. The right to have the least security in old age . The right to have the largest military 10 times over .
Consistency , consistently serving the interests of oligarchs .
What the popular vote shows is that Trump has no mandate from the people for the vile agenda he ran on.
If there were fraud in the voting process the American people have the right to know. That is a right that will be denied them. .
From Eugene Volokh, washingtonpost: I often hear people argue that the United States is a republic, not a democracy. But that’s a false dichotomy. A common definition of “republic” is, to quote the American Heritage Dictionary, “A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them” — we are that. A common definition of “democracy” is, “Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives” — we are that, too.
The United States is not a direct democracy, in the sense of a country in which laws (and other government decisions) are made predominantly by majority vote. Some lawmaking is done this way, on the state and local levels, but it’s only a tiny fraction of all lawmaking. But we are a representative democracy, which is a form of democracy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/
The Electoral College was ratified as part of the Constitution in 1788. It has been modified a couple of times since, but has always kept with the idea that it protects smaller populations from becoming obsolete.
Under a REPUBLIC human rights come from GOD NOT MAN. Therefore the government cannot abridge, or eliminate them. Under a democracy that is not true. If a majority of the people in a democracy would vote to take away the rights of one group to satisfy their needs or wants that is what would happen. NOT IN A REPUBLIC.
The Founding Father’s concept was thinking ahead to the time when “slaves” would be free. They couldn’t address that battle immediately because they needed everyone on board to fight the British and establish this country. Blacks always had the rights, but some tried to deny them those rights and did for many, many years.
Linda,
The Founding Fathers were very fearful of direct democracy. They feared the “mob” and sought ways to limit its influence. That is why we have a bicameral legislature. The Senate was not elected by the public, but by each state legislature. The vote was restricted to white, male property-owners. For purposes of representation, slaves counted for only 3/5 of a person. All of these, and the electoral college, were intended to limit the influence of democracy. In 1913, the 17th amendment to the Constitution was passed, which made Senators subject to popular vote. Over time, other amendments removed restrictions on the right to vote, so that all citizens have the right to vote, regardless of their race, gender, or property ownership. The only vestige of the original fear of democracy in the Constitution today is the Electoral College. It was supposed to be a gathering of wise men who reached their own decision. It is a relic, and as G.F. Brandenburg wrote in a blog I posted, it belongs to the age of powdered wigs, slavery, and buggy whips.
Linda, was going to respond, but then I realized your “education” probably came from David Barton-approved textbooks. That “slaves…everybody on board..British…blacks always had the right” illogical thread is very creative. Who needs history when it can be made up on the fly?
Rewriting history happens all the time… And depending on who does the re-write, some will be happier than others…
Ravitch: …it [the Electoral College] belongs to the age of powdered wigs, slavery, and buggy whips.
…and upper class white male privilege.
Linda Giffin
“The Founding Father’s concept was thinking ahead to the time when “slaves” would be free. They couldn’t address that battle immediately because they needed everyone on board to fight the British and establish this country. Blacks always had the rights, but some tried to deny them those rights and did for many, many years.”
The constitution was signed in 1787 . So those founding fathers had tremendous foresight to keep all hands on board till 1812 . The Treaty of Paris was signed in 1783 so please help me what war were they fighting in 1787.
Free Blacks :
Lyndon Johnson freed the slaves in 1964and 65 ,one could argue that some States have been fighting since, to return to the slavery that existed in the Jim Crow South (and to a lesser degree the north)
Just for Duane .
They are willing to destroy our public schools to do it.
Back to Linda
. If you were one of the one million Black men and boys thrown up against a wall and treated like a common criminal in NYC for the crime of being Black. You would question your rights as a citizen.
If you had to warn your children about how to react to a police officer, worrying whether they make it home. You would question when those rights were going to stop being denied.
If you were living in one of those states that was closing down polling stations or other chicanery , to suppress the African American vote . You might have second thoughts.
“Lindon Johnson freed the slaves in 1964and 65 ,one could argue that some States have been fighting since, to return to the slavery that existed in the Jim Crow South (and to a lesser degree the north)…”
And what did President Lincoln do in 1863??
Lyndon Johnson
Rudy J Schellekens
Lincoln changed the constitution of how to count slaves from 3/5 0f a person to 4/5.
Somehow I don’t think that was the answer you were looking for .
If you can’t vote, ,got to sit on the back of the bus,drink from separate fountains and go to separate schools you aren’t a freeman yet . .
Well, he did sign the Emancipation Proclamation, which freed slaves in Union-held territory.
Joel,
I don’t recall Lincoln changing the Constitution to count slaves as 4/5 of a person. That required a Constitutional amendment. The post-war amendments–13, 14, and 15–changed the Constitution.
From Wikipedia:
The Thirteenth Amendment (proposed and ratified in 1865) abolished slavery.[2] The Fourteenth Amendment (proposed in 1866 and ratified in 1868) addresses citizenship rights and equal protection of the laws for all persons.[3] The Fifteenth Amendment, (proposed in 1869 and ratified in 1870) prohibits discrimination in voting rights of citizens on the basis of “race, color, or previous condition of servitude.”[4] This amendment did not include a specific prohibition on discrimination on the basis of sex; it took another amendment—the Nineteenth, ratified in 1920—to prohibit such discrimination explicitly.[5] Men and women of all races, regardless of prior slavery, could vote in some states of the early United States, such as New Jersey, provided that they could meet other requirements, such as property ownership.
These amendments were intended to guarantee freedom to former slaves and to establish and prevent discrimination in civil rights to former slaves and all citizens of the United States. The promise of these amendments was eroded by state laws and federal court decisions over the course of the 19th century. Women were prohibited by some state constitutions and laws from voting, leading to Susan B. Anthony attempting to vote in New York in the 1872 Presidential election as an act of civil disobedience. In 1876 and later, some states passed Jim Crow laws that limited the rights of African-Americans. Important Supreme Court decisions that undermined these amendments were the Slaughter-House Cases in 1873, which prevented rights guaranteed under the Fourteenth Amendment’s privileges or immunities clause from being extended to rights under state law; and Plessy v. Ferguson in 1896 which originated the phrase “separate but equal” and gave federal approval to Jim Crow laws. The full benefits of the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth amendments were not realized until the Supreme Court decision in Brown v. Board of Education in 1954 and laws such as the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
please show me where in the following makes the statement you added…
“Lincoln changed the constitution of how to count slaves from 3/5 0f a person to 4/5.
Somehow I don’t think that was the answer you were looking for .
If you can’t vote, ,got to sit on the back of the bus,drink from separate fountains and go to separate schools you aren’t a freeman yet .”
This is what president Lincoln said:
By the President of the United States of America:
A PROCLAMATION
Whereas on the 22nd day of September, A.D. 1862, a proclamation was issued by the President of the United States, containing, among other things, the following, to wit:
“That on the 1st day of January, A.D. 1863, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.
“That the executive will on the 1st day of January aforesaid, by proclamation, designate the States and parts of States, if any, in which the people thereof, respectively, shall then be in rebellion against the United States; and the fact that any State or the people thereof shall on that day be in good faith represented in the Congress of the United States by members chosen thereto at elections wherein a majority of the qualified voters of such States shall have participated shall, in the absence of strong countervailing testimony, be deemed conclusive evidence that such State and the people thereof are not then in rebellion against the United States.”
Now, therefore, I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander-In-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and government of the United States, and as a fit and necessary war measure for supressing said rebellion, do, on this 1st day of January, A.D. 1863, and in accordance with my purpose so to do, publicly proclaimed for the full period of one hundred days from the first day above mentioned, order and designate as the States and parts of States wherein the people thereof, respectively, are this day in rebellion against the United States the following, to wit:
Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana (except the parishes of St. Bernard, Palquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James, Ascension, Assumption, Terrebone, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the city of New Orleans), Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkeley, Accomac, Morthhampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Anne, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth), and which excepted parts are for the present left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued.
And by virtue of the power and for the purpose aforesaid, I do order and declare that all persons held as slaves within said designated States and parts of States are, and henceforward shall be, free; and that the Executive Government of the United States, including the military and naval authorities thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of said persons.
And I hereby enjoin upon the people so declared to be free to abstain from all violence, unless in necessary self-defence; and I recommend to them that, in all case when allowed, they labor faithfully for reasonable wages.
And I further declare and make known that such persons of suitable condition will be received into the armed service of the United States to garrison forts, positions, stations, and other places, and to man vessels of all sorts in said service.
And upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Constitution upon military necessity, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind and the gracious favor of Almighty God.”
To Linda Giffin:
Please define the true meaning of “RE”-public. And what does public mean to you and to people in multicultural America?
Does president elect and his administrative staff represent the Republican ideology? Back2basic
Here is by dictionary:
re·pub·lic
rəˈpəblik/
noun
a state in which supreme power is HELD BY THE PEOPLE (= AND MORE THAN 70 YEARS, more Americans are DEMOCRATS, according to PEW research) and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.
archaic
a group with a certain EQUALITY between its members.
Here is the link:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-republican/485486/
“…As Pew put it: “For MORE THAN 70 YEARS, with few exceptions, MORE AMERICANS have identified AS DEMOCRATS than Republicans.”
Diane and Rudy
Is my sarcasm that bad. It was totally tongue -n- cheek . Remind me not to try out for a job as a stand up comic.
“Lincoln changed the constitution of how to count slaves from 3/5 0f a person to 4/5.
Somehow I don’t think that was the answer you were looking for .!!!!!!!!!!
If you can’t vote, ,got to sit on the back of the bus,drink from separate fountains and go to separate schools you aren’t a freeman yet” !!!!!!!! .
Ahh, the smell (or is that stench) of another political post on “the site to discuss a better education for all”. (Sorry, Diane, I couldn’t hold myself back on this one.)
Duane Swacker
There can be no discussion about education outside of politics . The sole function of politics is to decide the distribution of goods and services of which education is both a public good and and a service .
I fear we are about to find out exactly how relevant politics is to a whole host of things, most Americans took for granted, including public schools.
But you do enjoy throwing gas on the flames
Joel,
Certainly agree with your first sentence but there can certainly be discussion of politics outside of education. For me this particular discussion falls outside education, even though it may or may not have any effect on it. And my bet is it won’t have any bearing as nothing will come of it as the Dimocraps don’t have enough cojones to do something about it, just as in 2000 when we ended up with a president of whom I thought could never be outdone in the stupidity realm but might just be in this trumped up dude.
And yes, I have always enjoyed using a little Boy Scout Juice on fires. That “juice” is just me commenting on how I perceive things-hopefully with a little good humour at times as was meant with my post.
Duane are you from Canada? I notice you using Canadian/British spellings of certain words. If you have commented on this before, I missed it.
Nate Silver, 22 Nov. 2016: Education, Not Income, Predicted Who Would Vote For Trump
So I guess it would be in Trump’s best interest as a policy to restrict access to education, in order to have the best chance to win re-election in 2020.
Remember when he said, “I love the uneducated!”
That explains his education policy of choice. Not a great public school system, but whatever.
Not to disagree with you, Diane, but Trump’s statement could have also been taken to mean that he would fight for those without a college education, which in fact is what a president should do. For thirty years, the only response Clinton/Obama Democrats have had to declining living standards in most of the country is, “Get re-trained!”
That it’s highly unlikely Trump will do anything for the working class he successfully courted does not detract from his political acumen. Trump correctly read, and successfully surfed, the mockery and contempt directed against the white working class. Those votes were there to be taken by a Left or Right populist, an authentic or a bogus one, and we know which way it went.
Trump also showed political smarts, either conscious or intuitive, when, instead of Hillary’s “I’m With Her,” he told people ignored and trashed by neoliberal policies, “I’m For You.”
It’s time for opponents of Trump to stop moralizing and emoting (which his supporters are glorying in, and which strengthens him), and start understanding what has happened, so as to effectively resist what’s likely to follow.
Michael, your comments are wise. For better or worse, what happened was that a billionaire elitist hoaxed the working class into believing he cares about them and will improve their lives. So he is bringing back retreads from the Reagan-Bush years to staff his administration. Change a la Trump will not be good for his voters. But he is an entertainer and he knows bread and circus.
Fiorillo: Trump’s statement could have also been taken to mean that he would fight for those without a college education, which in fact is what a president should do.
If there is a federal role to play in education, then there should be absolutely no excuse for the Republicans.
They have majorities in Congress, they have the Whitehouse, and, most likely, a favorable Supreme Court.
If there is a state role to play in education, they have majorities in most of the legislatures and they have most of the governorships.
Politics is a slow motion conversation. We get to try it their way, which doesn’t seem to be much different from what a lot of Democrats were doing anyway. Hopefully we’ll either see improvement (not likely), or we’ll soon get to vote in folks to try something very different for a change.
I would just add that rarely is education a significant campaign issue. We’re not talking about it.
If there is any hint of an alleged rigging of the vote in any state, there should be an investigation just like the GOP investigated Hillary Clinton repeatedly and kept finding her innocent of all the alleged accusations being spread through the wild-fire, vigilante war drum pounding, lying, manipulating, misleading, witch-hunt, Conservative hate media machine.
http://benghazicommittee.com/benghazi-by-the-numbers/
And if you are a Hillary hater and are open minded enough to educated yourself outside the conservative hate media bubble, read what Snopes said about all the allegations and witch-hunt gossip the Clintons had to weather to survive.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/clintons.asp
The link doesn’t really cover any allegations about Hillary’s private server and emails or the Cinton foundations pay to play allegations, the biggest allegations against her and her husband this election year.
all of those allegations now appear to be of no consequence. It was just politics. Better to have a proven fraud and a liar than someone about whom allegations have been made.
You man the allegations that the FBI investigated and then recommended against another attempt to find the Clinton’s guilty of something, an FBI run by a life-long conservative Republican who leaks the alleged e-mail scandal just before the election?
The investigation into the alleged pay to play also found nothing.
Lloyd,
The Hillary haters in the Democratic Party helped the conservative hate media. There is no talking to them — Hillary is to blame for everything just as they have been saying for the last 6 months. And now they blame her for not convincing voters that she isn’t corrupt when so many of them supported that alt right view of her and worked so hard to make sure the public knew that even if they voted for her, they were holding their nose and voting for a criminal.
So, you are wasting your time. They don’t care.
Russ Feingold got fewer votes than Hillary? It’s Hillary’s fault! Pennsylvania Democrat for Senate got fewer votes than Hillary? It’s Hillary’s fault. And when the moderate Dems return the favor and help the alt right in their painting the next Democrat — Elizabeth Warren or Bernie as the lying, terrorist-loving or whatever lying meme they want — and it sticks and we get another 4 years of Trump, I’m sure those “blame Hillary” will finally get a little taste of their own medicine. When they keep hearing how it was because Bernie or Warren were just so corrupt so it’s their fault the alt right lied about them and moderate Dems had to help them promote their lies.
A recount might actually show that Russ Feingold won in Wisconsin instead of getting FEWER votes than Hillary when he should have received both Hillary AND Jill’s votes. Can anyone explain that? I guess it’s just because Feingold didn’t campaign enough in Wisconsin, just like Hillary. Let’s blame him instead of asking for a recount.
I don’t care that the deplorables don’t care what I think. I’m going to think it anyway and express myself so they hear my roar or whisper even if they don’t care about it.
We know four things for sure: 1. A statistical voting anomaly exists; 2. We know the DNC server was hacked by a foreign power; 3. Hillary is winning the popular vote by a BIG margin for a losing candidate; 4. Trump won far more votes than the polls predicted, and considering our sophisticated algorithms, it surprised everyone, including Trump (according to insiders) – just look at how unprepared he was to transition.
Someone please tell me how to explain to students how someone wins a popular vote by over two million in a democracy and loses the race. It just doesn’t make sense.
We need to check. We were way too nice in 2000, and being nice got us into the Iraq War and put us eight precious years behind in the fight to save our planet. Teachers are an important force. We came into this profession because we care. Let’s each make a couple of calls. I’m calling my senators today.
“We know four things for sure: 1. A statistical voting anomaly exists; 2. We know the DNC server was hacked by a foreign power; 3. Hillary is winning the popular vote by a BIG margin for a losing candidate; 4. Trump won far more votes than the polls predicted, and considering our sophisticated algorithms, it surprised everyone, including Trump (according to insiders) – just look at how unprepared he was to transition.”
These same “sophisticated” systems have been wrong before, by large margins. Will you know pose that there have been vote manipulation for the last four elections (Both regular and mid-term)?
Someone please tell me how to explain to students how someone wins a popular vote by over two million in a democracy and loses the race. It just doesn’t make sense.”
If your students were taught American Government classes, they would understand. I am an immigrant, and I understand… Does not necessarily mean that I agree (or disagree), but I DO understand.
Yeah, but all four things at once?! I don’t believe in that much coincidence.
To Rudy J Schellekens:
I am glad to find you who is immigrant and who is Trump’s supporter.
Hello Dienne, you told me that I insult immigrant. Now, this is exactly what I am disappointed in the NEW WAVE of immigrants who come to America for personal gain and NOT for humanity or civility.
Please tell me Rudy, being as an immigrant, did you came to America with empty hand or with substantial resources like established businesses in MANY countries: your own original country, your affiliated countries, and your NEW American country? Back2basic
I am a republican, and proud of it – usually. This year, not so much. I am not a trump supporter, far from it. I have written publically, and compared his speeches to Hitler’s early on.
I came to this country for family reasons. My other in law was diagnosed with als, and my wife was the only child who could take care of her. After a split family life of more than a year, I finally received a visa.
Since I moved here, I have been gainfully employed, paid taxes, became involved with the community. Ten years ago, I became a citizen. I have worked for the same employer for almost 20 years.
I learned to speak English. I learned about the culture and adopted it. Unlike illegal immigrants, I followed the established process.
And paid for every step of the process.
I disagree with my fellow republicans from time to time. And I disagree with my democrat friends from time to time. We have discussions about those differences. But we respect each others thoughts.
Born and raised, gainfully employed for 26 years be in the Netherlands.
Democrats seem to know how to “turn the other cheek,” but they don’t seem to know how to stand up and fight when necessary. That is one reason they are losing lots of middle class support. They have failed to stand up for people.
Exactly!
Indeed, you are correct.
Another issue for Democrats is that they think politics is a formal debate with rules, unlike Republicans who know that it’s a bar fight.
Once again, blinders. Have you read some of the email exchanges from the DNC and how they treated Sanders??
Have you read about possible questions being forwarded to Clinton?
Sounds like brawling and a bar fight to me, not like following rules.
Rudy,
Sanders said that if the Russians hacked into his campaign, they would have found the same snarky comments about Hillary.
It was no big deal. Furthermore, Kurt Eichenwald said that the campaign emails were dated May 2016, after Clinton had already clenched the nomination.
I am going to ask you to stop doing the Trump thing of sticking pins into the Clinton-Sanders battle. We know why you are doing it.
The issue now is dealing with an ignorant, vain man who will be President of the US and leader of the free world. He likes Putin because Putin says nice things about him. That’s what I hear from 5-year-old children.
There is a difference between “snarky” comments and finding ways to derail Sanders. There is a difference between referring to someone in derogatory terms, and trying to find ways to deny funding. And that was the biggest issue, not the snide remarks about Sanders.
“I am going to ask you to stop doing the Trump thing of sticking pins into the Clinton-Sanders battle. We know why you are doing it.”
the “trump thing?” And you “know why I am doing this?” Really, you seem not to have the faintest idea. The constant Republican badgering (And it is definitely not limited to trump – that would not bother me in the least) for things that are obvious and present in the Democrat Party is ridiculous. NOTHING that the republicans are blamed for is strange to the Democrats. It is called POLITICS. You complained about trump breaking promises. I showed you the literal, word for word statement made about Obama’s promises. BOTH broke promises. You did not like trump’s promises – i don’t either. But when will it be clear to you that many politicians are less than honorable people (and that includes, from my perspective, Clinton).
And we, as voters, go along with that under the excuse, “Well, the lesser of two evils…” There ALWAYS is the option of not choosing either evil!
In May 2016, no one was seeking ways to derail Sanders. The contest was over. Rudy, let me remind you that the purpose of this blog is to support better education for all. That means, from my view, that the view supports vastly better public schools, not charters or vouchers. Donald Trump is an ignorant, vain man who used racism and bigotry of all kinds to win the election. Clinton is a well-educated, experienced, intelligent woman who would have been a great president. He went to a fancy military school, she went to public schools. By any measure I can think of, she was far better qualified than he. Why you insist on constantly arguing with everyone who posts on this blog is known to you, but not to me.
Why is Rudy so afraid of a recount?
I would have welcomed a recount if Clinton had won. No Democrat has ever fought a recount, contrary to what Rudy lies about. It was the Republicans who sent future alt right Hitler youth to disrupt the recounts and scare people with their violence.
Asking for a recount has nothing to do with what Trump threatened to do. Trump did NOT say “I will ask for a recount if I lose”. He said “I might not ever concede no matter what.”
Rudy is already influenced by Trump.
I understand the reluctance to pursue a challenge to the vote of the Clinton campaign in certain states but there is a serious question of legitimacy which should not be allowed to fester after the inauguration. There is an orderly succession that can be invoked, even temporarily, as the House Speaker can hold the office until it is settled. Clinton is closing in on a 2 million popular vote lead, HUGE! Trump expected the election to be rigged. Wasn’t he ready to challenge regardless? Al Gore lost the electoral college election to Bush because the Court decided that specific dates were more important than the will of the voters of Florida. John Kerry lost while we still wonder about the veracity of the Ohio vote with machines purchased from the company of a Bush supporter with no way to verify. Do we really want to repeat any of this?
Clinton’s lead passes 2 million.
https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/politics/donald-trump-transition.amp.html?client=safari
If I were younger (or retired), I’d be looking at a more hospitable place to live. Where to start?
There’s the crooked politicians on both sides, the bickering between “intelligent” folks who post here and in other serious forums becomes more vitriolic by the hour, hate crimes are on the rise, and public education is seeing an ever increasing threat from the regressive reformsters.
There’s the least qualified candidate to win the White House in recent memory who actually believes that the electorate actually voted for an autocracy. This is the same person who claimed, while campaigning, that he was going to “drain the swamp.” He is creating a cabinet that scares the hell out of me (and many who post here too) using
reactionary right-wing retreads and the social media mouthpiece for the alt-right. When and where does this fecal hurricane end?
I am absolutely at a loss. I need a break.
Just a slight correction: the Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves in Confederate territory only, not in Union territory. Lincoln did not want to risk further defections from the Union. His first concern was preservation of the Union.
Just a slight correction:
The Declaration of Independence not only declared the colonies free of Britain, but it also helped to inspire Vermont to abolish slavery in its 1777 state constitution. By 1804, all Northern states had voted to abolish the institution of slavery within their borders.
In other words: 58 years before the civil war…
There is the principle that we must recognize and acknowledge that people are naturally born with a survival instinct = selfishness. Some will have more or less of selfishness than others. Young people are more selfish than others. Most of all, business people completely are calculated with money minded and extremely selfish, whereas people, who truly believe in humanity and civility, are willing to share and care for the basic living with others.
It is VERY MALICIOUS that business people ALWAYS use their economic power, their massive web of deceit in media that they control, and their FABRICATED sentimental news to PROVOKE divisiveness and hatred in all white and blue collar workers.
Please examine our own body (= society). There are many organs that work harmoniously to bring the well-being and strength to the body. Yes, the body will suffer pain if there is chaos happening to any part or organ in the body. Certain part or organ can cause the immediate paralysis or death (stroke in the brain, or in the heart). Certain part or organ can endure a bit longer with cancer (= bottomless greed), and then it MIGHT stop functioning, or MIGHT need to graft STRANGE part .
Here is coming the TROUBLE with the aid from STRANGE part that completely guarantees the chaos in a short term!
There is NO PERFECT SOLUTION, but the BEST SOLUTION is to be LESS cruelty and MORE civility.
Most of all, we cannot bring wealth with us after death, but only carry BAD DEEDS with us forever. There are Heaven and Hell = happiness and misery. We are our own creator who creates our lives to live with love or hatred. Please be patient and forgiving. Back2basic.
Really? If I am guessing I would almost say that m4potwhas an interesting possible meaning, like am for pot. Because it sure looks like you have imbibed…
Just spreading the holiday cheer…eh Rudy? Proost?