This is a letter to a reader who frequently sends comments defending the privatization of public schools in Massachusetts. On some days, he sends 3-5 comments, filled with references to studies that support charters, insisting that charters will not take money away from public schools, even though as a practical matter, charter schools everywhere have led to budget cuts for public schools that enroll the vast majority of children. His comments are repetitive and he has taken up a lot of space on a blog that opposes privatization and opposes school choice because of the damage it does to a universal, democratically controlled system of public education. Unless you believe that scores on standardized tests are the purpose of public education and the best measure of educational quality, these “studies” are meaningless and lacking in any understanding of democracy, civic responsibility, and the common good.
For these reasons, this letter is directed to this reader.
I will not post any more of your comments about Question 2 in Massachusetts and the glories of charter schools until you answer my questions.
Why do you have so much time on your hands to defend privatization?
What is your day job?
Is anyone paying you for your constant rebuttals?
What are your credentials and your expertise?
I told you mine: 50 years a scholar of education; a Ph.D. in history of American education from Columbia University; numerous books and honorary degrees; Assistant Secretary of Education for Research in the George H.W. Bush administration; a founding member of two conservative think tanks–the Thomas B. Fordham Foundation and the Koret Task Force at the Hoover Institution, as well as a Senior Fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute and a Senior Fellow at the centrist Brookings Institution. I was an avid proponent of charter schools for almost 15 years. Several years ago, I realized that the charter industry is now led by people who want to privatize and profit from money intended for our public schools. I saw the light. I know the arguments for charters better than you do. I used to believe them.
I have determined to devote my strength and energy, so long as I have it, to the preservation and transformation of public schools so that they offer equal opportunity for all children. Charter schools are a diversion that weaken public education. I will not allow my blog to be used as a forum for those who fight to destroy public education by diverting public funds to private schools and to those who mask their goal of privatization by stealing the language of the civil rights movement. I don’t believe that anyone should put words in the mouths of those who are not living, yet I feel certain that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., would never have locked arms with the Waltons, the Koch brothers, Scott Walker, Donald Trump, ALEC, hedge fund managers, Wall Street titans, and demanded privatization and defunding of public schools. Dr. King was a great supporter of the labor movement. He was murdered in Memphis fighting for the rights of sanitation workers to organize a union. He would certainly oppose the charter industry, which prides itself on being anti-union. 93% of charters are non-union and aggressively oppose efforts by teachers to form a union.
Did you notice that the World Economic Forum just named Finland the best educational school system in the world? It has no charters, no vouchers. It has a strong union that all educators belong to. It has no standardized tests until the end of high school. It focuses on creativity, the arts, physiical activity, play, and critical thinking. It has a rich curriculum taught by well-prepared teachers. No charters, no Teach for Finland. No disruption. No teacher churn. The joy of learning is paramount. Children don’t begin academic studies until the age of 7. There is a recess after every class. There is free medical care, and low poverty.
We, by contrast, ignore poverty as a given and assume that school must be harder, tests must be harder, recess must be sacrificed to rigor and grit. Joy of learning? Play? The arts? No time for that. Gets in the way of testing.
The public is waking up. No matter how many millions your friends pour into the charter industry, an aware public will not sell or give away their community public schools. The public built them with their taxes. The public wants experienced career teachers, not temps who come and go with regularity.
You can cite all the studies you want about test scores. Readers of this blog know how those scores were obtained. They know that charter schools choose the students they want and kick out the ones they don’t want. They know charters with high scores engage in intensive test prep for months. Test scores will not convince an informed public to hand over their schools to corporations and non-educators. The Waltons have wiped out large swaths of small-town America, killing mom-and-pop stores, then hiring mom and pop as low-wage greeters. The motto of the charter industry is disrupt, destroy, privatize. Disruption harms children and communities. Tell your billionaire funders: Disrupt your family and community, but don’t impose your rootlessness on others.
No thanks. We don’t want to see the Walmartization of American public schools. They are a basic democratic institution. They belong to the public, not corporations and Wall Street. Not “Families for Excellent Schools” whose own children go to such excellent schools as Exeter, Phillips Andover, Deerfield Academy, and other elite schools where tuition runs about $50,000 a year. Too bad they don’t want similar excellent schools for other people’s children. Instead, they favor “no excuses” boot camps that impose harsh discipline and focus relentlessly on test scores in math and reading, the tested subjects. I acknowledge that there are outliers, that there are charter schools that seek to improve the education of poor kids. But unfortunately, the charter industry is now led and driven by indiduals and groups that want to destroy public education. They dress their children in identical T-shirts and bus them to legislative hearings and political rallies to demand more charters, more money. Their greedy, self-serving charter leaders use the children (their “scholars”) as pawns in their quest for political power.
When charters become a potent political force, democracy suffers. Communities are divided. Legislators become consumed by charter issues, even though the charters enroll less than 10% of students. Big campaign contributions guarantee political allies, even Democrats, despite the fact that school choice has always been a beloved Republican policy, despite the fact that it promotes segregation, despite the fact that it was the rallying cry of southern segregationists after the Brown decision.
And so, dear reader, we reject your repetitive defense of school choice. We will oppose your efforts to cripple a cornerstone of our democracy. We will oppose a dual system of publicly funded schools, one open to all, the other open to a few and privately controlled.
We will fight for great public schools, democratically controlled, accountable and transparent.
We mean to keep them and make them better than ever.
Your energy field on this matter is palpable. You inspire us. Great letter.
Another reason why we love you, Diane ❤
So clearly said, and so clearly RIGHT.
Fantastic reply.
Dealt with in the best way possible. Thanks!
Something you left out of your Finland story that are important:
1 – Finland had free school choice
2 – Finland has a by far better educated teacher body than the US
3 – school is a lot more rigorous than in the us
So if you want a system like Finland (or most of Western Europe) start changing the way you train and educate teachers.
Make teachers do more than a limited number of hours in their major. Make the entire education about how to educate. Demand more if your teachers as far as their education goes. Most teachers in Western Europe have the equivalent of a master’s degree before they start teaching.
Set higher standards for students – and stick to those.
I know, not what you like to hear, but it does complete the comparison. If you want better outcomes, you have to start with the way you educate the educators.
Rudy,
All public schools in Finland are good school. There are no charters or vouchers. Students can go to any public school they want, and most go to the one most convenient to them .
Teachers in Finland must attend a teacher college, where entrance is extremely competitive because the profession is so respected. Applicants are carefully screened. Test scores are one factor, but no more important than essays, motivation to teach, and commitment to a career.
dIaneravitch: IMHO, the five most telling words in your comment—
“the profession is so respected.”
In other words, Finns not only talk the talk but walk the walk when it comes to public education because they value and aggressively support—not, as is the hallmark of corporate education reform, devalue and ferociously debase*—the teaching profession.
Thank you.
😎
P.S.* See today’s posting on “Teach Like A Robot.”
Teachers are respected in Europe because they have a higher level of education before they ever start teaching.
Teachers are respected in Europe because they are held to a higher professional standard.
Rudy,
This is true. Teachers in Europe do not enter teaching as rank amateurs, like TFA. Nor do they enter with online degrees.
This is about Finnish teachers. Show me ONE single program in he U.S. that has the same entry requirements…
“Finnish teacher education programs are extremely selective, admitting only one out of every ten students who apply. The result is that Finland recruits from the top quartile of the cohort. Applicants are assessed based on their upper secondary school record, their extra-curricular activities, and their score on the Matriculation Exam (taken at the end of upper secondary school). Once an applicant makes it beyond this first screening round, they are then observed in a teaching-like activity and interviewed; only candidates with a clear aptitude for teaching in addition to strong academic performance are admitted. Teachers’ compensation in Finland is a little higher than the European averages but unremarkable.”
You START with high quality people, and you cannot help but end with a high quality “product.”
With all due respect to U.S. teachers, they do not meet these standards when they decide to become teachers. So comparing the two systems makes little or no sense. You have totally different starting points – each of course, leading to a predictable end point.
When you compare some of the U.S. Universities programs, however, there is an interesting change. Many people do come to the U.S. because some of the “hard” sciences are taught at a much higher level.
And yet, when a high school graduate from the Netherlands or other Western European countries comes to a U.S. Liberal Arts college, they often enter as Juniors.
These are observable facts. there are some (obvious) reasons. In Holland, for example, you have a fairly limited number of courses (For me, that was foreign languages (3) and history and geography – granted, 40+ years ago, but still). When you look at the average high school schedule in the U.S., there are more courses, but less time is spent in each area.
College does (usually) not change much. Still a larger number of required courses, some of which one can and should have their value questioned. And when you look at the number of courses taken in the declared major, in the end, you have a lot of… what?
I did a program where I took 147 hours in 22 months (class room, teacher contact time). ALL of those were in my chosen direction. In the end, I did not know a lot about music, art or world literature – but I sure knew what I needed for my chosen “profession!”
I have lived in both systems. I have worked in both systems (14 years in the Dutch system, almost 20 years in the U.S. system). I have raised children in both systems. I think that gives me right to speak.
Rudy,
I have written on many occasions about the superior teacher education programs in Finland–which by the way, produce far better results by any measure than any of its demographically similar peers in Europe. Finland requires a 5-year commitment to teacher education. All its teachers and principals belong to the same union. They are highly experienced and well prepared professionals. No TFF.
You should take a hint: you say the same thing over and over again, and you say it with contempt for everything about American education. Why? You will probably post the same message another 12 times if I let you, but I won’t let you. So give it a rest.
I know this won’t go anywhere, but how about this:
You are informed about Finland’s educational system. You admire it, you see at as a good, workable system.
So, what can YOU do to help change the TEACHER preparation along the same lines as the system in Finland? Start a new teacher training program with the same high entry demands? Start a system where students have to take a test to see if they should enter the teaching profession. Be selective, and so what if only 1 out of ten make it into the training? You end up with the quality you desire! And this a serious question.
Just a thought…
Rudy,
On this point, I agree with you. I would ban all online degrees in education, which now produce more masters’ degrees than traditional education programs. I would ban fake graduate programs like Relay and Match. I would require all teacher preparation programs to have high standards for entry and for completion. We need a strong teaching profession, but all out current policies from “reformers” and the Federal government weaken the profession instead of strengthening. Why did the US Department of Education give $50 million to TFA, whose recruits enter the classrooms of the neediest schools with only FIVE WEEKS of training, not the five years required in Finland? Why did the Broad Foundation and the Walton Foundation and a score of others give TFA over $100 million, when TFA undermines professionalism and high standards? Why do states give accreditation to fake graduate schools like Relay and Match?
I have long called for higher standards for entering teaching and for policies that strengthen the teaching profession and protect the professionalism of teachers.
Isn’t that what I said??? The teachers are better educated to begin with.
Teachers in Finland are also considered to be as respected as doctors and lawyers, and are paid similarly.
Hold on, Ellen.
I would not at all go on to say that European teachers are paid as well as doctors and lawyers, but I can say that teachers in Western and Scandinavian Europe in general do not have to worry about very inflated salaries to pay for housing, healthcare, retirement, and sending their kids to great public schools and eventually universities and trade schools.
It’s not that Europeans are not materialistic or don’t like nice things. It’s just that it does not define their core as much as it does for Americans because their basic human rights needs, such as housing, food, education, healthcare, and retirement, are much more strongly supported by the public commons and paid for by a much more equitable share of tax base, unlike your country. We Europeans have more time for human relationships and bonding, spending time with family and friends, and having about 6 weeks of holiday every year paid. We don’t have to worry about child care nearly as much as you folks do. I’m not boasting or meaning to make you feel bad, but I am reporting out on qualitative differences. In Europe, the consciousness of “We” is far more embedded in the cultural DNA then the concept of “I”, the way it is in the United States.
I hope I do not exude the air of putting you down by any means, because I can’t tell you how much I love to read all your comments.
But when the basic needs are well taken care of through robust social contracts, then higher salaries for this and that are not as critical in Europe as some would like to believe. Your healthcare system here is vile in terms of accessibility and affordability, all sacrificed for for-profit endeavors from hospitals, suppliers, doctors, and pharmaceutical manufacturers.
And intellectualism in Europe is far more “cooler” than it is here, where it is put down, made fun of like some sort of social defect . . . Which is why our teachers are superbly educated. Still, they are not judged upon test scores and they belong to unions that are strong and far less corrupt than the UFT, AFT, and NEA, so it is not entirely fair to compare them to your teachers here.
The U.S. is the unfortunate host of a vast number of parasitic organisms called Billionaire Boys. Europe has some outbreaks too, but America is stage 3 and an airborne-infectious, pandemic threat to the rest of the world. Billionaire Boys consume primarily Big Data and excrete political propaganda. They kill their hosts by overwhelming their immune systems with algorithms and robots. Then they eat the whole host, everything, leaving bare bones. Don’t blame American labor, public or private, for the infection. We’re doing better than anyone, considering the circumstances.
Diane you state: “Did you notice that the World Economic Forum just named Finland the best educational school system in the world? It has no charters, no vouchers. It has a strong union that all educators belong to. It has no standardized tests until the end of high school. It focuses on creativity, the arts, physical activity, play, and critical thinking. It has a rich curriculum taught by well-prepared teachers. No charters, no Teach for Finland. No disruption. No teacher churn. The joy of learning is paramount. Children don’t begin academic studies until the age of 7. There is a recess after every class. There is free medical care, and low poverty.”
Finland also has a test at age 15, where the student’s future is decided once and for all by the state. You pass you are on college track paid by the state. You fail you are on vocational training track once again paid by the state. I do not know if a child has a second chance. The pass/fail ratio is about 1:1. I think age 15 is not the end of high school in Finland.
Finland has no significant poverty (less than 5%), minorities (less than 1%), Finnish language learners (very few if any) etc. It is a very homogenous society, comprising of ~95% Finns and ~5% Swedes. There are less than 1% minorities, from other countries. Finland has kept true homogeneity up by extreme immigration policies. No immigration is permitted. There are few people from other countries and are counted in the hundreds and make up the minorities of about 1%.
Once Finland became part of the Euro Zone without any borders, there is some immigration from other countries of the Euro Zone. The only ones that come to Finland to live are highly educated people for the top jobs. I do not know how many Finns go find a job in other Euro zone countries and live there. There is no pathway to citizenship for people from other countries, but remain citizens of the country they came from; the Euro Zone.
Per capita GDP in USA is $53,000 and Finland is $49,000. Finland’s per capita GDP is comparable to USA and spends about 6% of the GDP on education. USA on the average spends ~4% of the GDP on K-12 education. But New York State spends ~6% of the GDP and with a population of over 15 million is comparable to Finland with a population of over 5 million. Educational outcome in New York State and Finland are vastly different.
The average salary for primary education teachers with 15 years experience in Finland is about $37,500, compared to $45,225 in the United States. The cost of living in Finland is higher than the US. Besides they are not paid similarly to the doctors. Doctors in Finland are paid at least twice as much or more. The difference between doctors and teachers is more pronounced in the USA. Obama during a campaign claimed that teachers are paid almost as much as doctors in OECD countries. Factcheck.org does not agree. There is more info at http://www.factcheck.org/2011/08/teachers-paid-on-par-with-doctors/
In Finland teachers are respected, but respect is not gained by demanding it, but by hard work and performance.
Finland is a resource poor nation and knowing that Finns decided long ago that only path out of poverty is education.
Although a Masters degree is required to teach in Finland, it takes only 5 years to get one, Bachelors degree in 3 years followed by a Masters degree in 2 years. A majority of teachers in this country have at least 5 or more years of college education. Therefore Finnish teachers cannot be better educated than American teachers.
The once acclaimed teachers training colleges in Finland do not exist anymore. The Universities have taken over the function, just like in the United States.
Yes, entry to the teaching profession is highly selective in Finland because the demand is high. Why would anyone not want a profession which lets one work about 600 hours a year (5 hours a day for 120 days) as compared to all other professions where you have to put in 3 times as many hours as a minimum every year? 600 hours of schooling a year as compared to little more than 1000 hours in the USA is mind-boggling. I would like to find out how the Finns can perform this miracle year in and year out.
But it is the culture of Finns that will be hard to duplicate in this country. Can we change the US melting pot of many cultures to a homogenous one like Finland? The answer is probably not.
Can we change poverty in America? The answer must be yes, but we must try.
You state: “I have determined to devote my strength and energy, so long as I have it, to the preservation and transformation of public schools so that they offer equal opportunity for all children.”
I completely agree with the cause. But I do not see any concrete solutions to the problem public schools are facing from you. Just putting down charter schools, reformers, common core, so called high stakes testing, etc., does not contribute to the improvement of public schools in my opinion. Bringing to the front mismanagement at charter school may also be a noble cause, but it is nobler to lead the public school system to improve for the sake of our children. Mismanagement is not just in the charter sector, but is also a problem in the 13,000 plus public school districts and 98,000 plus public schools. How much does mismanagement contributes to the problems with K-12 education here is in dispute.
Finally, I have a question. Are the Finns manipulating the system of PISA sample testing to their advantage? With all the advantages in public school education, Finland has not shown any striking innovation in the last few decades where they changed from one of the worst school systems in OCED to one of the best.
Raj,
I suggest that you read Pasi Sahlberg’s book “Finnish Lessons,” which answers your wuestions and corrects your misunderstandings. Students may transfer from vocational to academic. The vocational program prepares students for high-tech jobs. All education in Finland is tuition-free, including college and graduate schools. Poverty is low by design, not because of demographics. There is nothing that Finland does that we can’t do if we had the political will do it.
Oh, and Raj, the World Economic Forum just named Finland the best school system in the world.
Raj “600 hours of schooling a year as compared to little more than 1000 hours in the USA is mind-boggling. I would like to find out how the Finns can perform this miracle year in and year out.”
Who said, more is better? Happy is better. Lighten up, America.
I love the way you correct Raj, Diane. You are like excellent dental braces to his buck teeth. The question is “Will his teeth ever straighten out after the braces have been removed after 6 years?”
You are right to say that Finland is a beacon of an example of how all education should be. Someone like Raj is too stuck to realize it.
Thanks, Norwegian Filmmaker, I don’t understand what Raj’s definition of good schooling is, although it might be one of those $50,000 a year elite private schools that reformers choose for their own children. I refer to Finland often because I have been there, I have visited schools, I have met with teachers, principals, and researchers in Finland. It is the gold standard for a state system. Their goals are correct, as is their philosophy and their commitment to children and learning.
It’s ironic that educational “reform” in America is about teachers having less training, not more.
I also believe that being able to do high level calculus is less than useless when trying to teach a third grader math. All that advanced learning doesn’t help one bit when you have to understand how to reach a child who is struggling. They may have a block, they may be too humiliated to ask for help, they may just need a teacher with experience in reaching children who don’t understand a concept taught one way who can adapt to a different style of learning or try other ways.
I say this as a parent who has seen a teacher ruin a child’s love of learning due to inexperience (despite having graduated from a top college) and a teacher whose incredible strengths came not from having a fancy college degree but from years of understanding young children. I have no idea whether that teacher understood advanced calculus but since she was teaching my child how to read, it didn’t matter one bit.
Certainly teachers who teach higher level classes beyond elementary and usually middle school must understand high level concepts. But those who teach elementary school need to understand children.
Understanding fundamental abstract math concepts taught to math majors is important even when teaching third graders. If a teacher can understand axioms and proofs to some degree, it helps at all levels. My one big regret is I did not master proofs as well as I would have liked. Calculus is a poor example as it is just one area of math. I’ve found Calculus concepts understandable by even 5th graders. But what trips up Calculus students is the more intense application of algebra and trigonometry.
Anecdotal evidence is a poor approach to education policy. But most people outside education view teaching through their own personal experience, form an opinion without considering facts, then tend to transfer their own failures as adults, parents or students onto teachers. Throw in a few prejudices about teachers with anti-intellectualism and you have America’s reform movement.
“Understanding fundamental abstract math concepts taught to math majors is important even when teaching third graders”
Teaching young elementary school children demands understand young elementary school children. And yes, understanding high level calculus is not required. “fundamental abstract math concepts” covers a very wide range of areas.
“Understanding” a high level concept does not mean you can TEACH a third grader who isn’t getting it right away.
What you seem to conviently forget is that a large number of us ARE at the top of our classes. I was the valedictorian with a 3.98 GPA, and a triple major from a quality research university, with one of the best quality education programs in the nation. The vast majority of my colleagues graduated Cum Laude or better (that means they had a 3.5 collegiate GPA or higher). Most of us didn’t major in education, but majored in our subject areas. Contrary to popular belief, and Arne Duncan’s insistence, teachers often come from the higher ecelons of their colleges. The report I am linking is from Hechingers, no friend of public education, yet even they admit that 40% of teachers come from the top 1/3 of their classes. We aren’t stupid.
http://hechingerreport.org/debunking-one-myth-about-u-s-teachers/
Never said teachers in the us are stupid. But I know from personal experience that there is a difference in the level of education – which is why many European high school students can usually skip at least a year and a half.
Holland too had the test as to direction students go at 8th grade. And there is a lot of moving between the tracks.
Rudy,
Interesting that the US has the biggest, most productive economy in the world. I would argue it is because of our public schools, our education system from top to bottom, our encouragement of freedom, creativity and risk-taking, all of which the corporate reformers have tried to suppress and squash for the past two decades.
Biggest, most productive…Biggest, yes. Most productive – depends on calculation. See
http://247wallst.com/investing/2010/06/28/72005/2/
Rudy,
The great thing about America is that no one is forcing you to stay here. You are so unhappy being in America that you should seriously consider returning to Holland. Beautiful country, has wonderful tulips, food, people, scenery. So much about America disgusts you. Go home.
the further you go down in the ages/grades the less predictive validity there is in any test; especially these SBAC and PARRC tests that have no proven validity or reliability. Have you seen Carol Burris’ work on “tracking” . It fits with my experience with schools in MA
Holland too had the test as to direction students go at 8th grade. And there is a lot of moving between the tracks.
jeanhaverhill@aol.com
Rudy “Many people do come to the U.S. because some of the “hard” sciences are taught at a much higher level.”
Not true at all. Students in sciences come here for graduate school, not for undergraduate studies. What you (and Diane) say about the difference between Finnish and American teacher training extends to almost any other profession: engineers, architects, sciences. My undergrad degree in math from Hungary was accepted as a Masters degree here in the US.
The American undergraduate education is vastly different from most European ones. Since American professionals somehow end up being at the same level as the Europeans, I doubt your argument is very strong when you try to assert that Finnish teachers must be better than Americans because of their training.
One can easily make the argument that what American teachers may lose in college against Europeans, they could quickly gain back, since they have to work more—often much more. For example, Finnish teachers’ load is about 60% of the Americans.
In other words, Americans do much more on-the-job learning and training, while Europeans do more during the college years.
So, at least in theory, the two systems can even out.
It’s now a different question, whether Americans should lighten their workload (very much so, imo) but do more in college, and whether Europeans perhaps should do a bit less theoretical work in college but more practical training.
Pasi Sahlberg wrote an article which I reposted here, saying that if Finnish teachers changed places with teachers in Indiana, they would be in a state of shock. They would be no more effective than American teachers, because they would be unprepared for high levels of child poverty, lack of resources where they are most needed, and top-down mandates from bureaucrats and legislators who don’t know anything about teaching. American teachers, given the social and educational conditions in Finland, would become stars.
I did not specify a level, but ok. Yes, it is Graduate Schools that are sought.
Apart from that, the work load of teachers in the U.S. k-12 has less to do with educating, but more with all the extra paperwork requirements. The reporting requirements have become ridiculous, adding hours of work.
During a school year, European teachers spend more time in the class room for several reasons. The school day and the school year are both longer than in the U.S.
The topic of better preparedness is an interesting issue. I worked in the k-12 system in the Netherlands, and I work in the k-12 system in the U.S. The differences are many – for obvious reasons: Targeted training. European training for educators is more targeted towards, well, education. Three years of education related courses as opposed to the college level much more limited number of hours.
It’s a different way of approaching education. In the Netherlands a new teacher spends his last school year (Full year, not 6 weeks), as a teacher-trainee, as a “full” member of the teaching staff. In the first two years, there will be some teaching time, but more as an observer/trainee.
After graduation, both the U.S. and Western Europe have a demanding continuing education requirement.
Rudy “The school day and the school year are both longer than in the U.S.”
Here is an article the title of which indicates, the above statement needs serious modification
“American Teachers Spend More Time In The Classroom Than World Peers,”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/09/oecd-teacher-salary-report_n_5791166.html
For example:
US teachers: 1132 classroom hours/year
Finnish teachers: 640
I remark that Hungary is listed with 600 hours, and we used to have a great education system. But lately, Hungary started to mimic the long hours of US students and teachers (using the same false horror stories about being left behind in “The Race”), and the corresponding student and teacher burnout have resulted. Teacher and student strikes are all over the country….
I would love to see you teach my students (67% speak a language other than English at home, 75% free or reduced lunch, huge percentage of undocumented minors, endemic gang and drug violence in the community) for a week to show me how much better your education prepared you. I graduated cum laude from an extremely well-respected Boston area college (undergrad) and then my master’s in a year and a half from another Boston area college. I feel privileged to serve my students and dispute your assessment of U.S. educational preparation of teachers. There is always room for improvement; however, don’t paint us all with such a cynically bold brush.
The above comment was to Rudy. Sorry to have forgotten to put his name first.
My kids went to a grade school with kids from 20+ different countries. Staff would “police” the play ground in the morning to remove used needles, condoms and bottles.
This was in the worst and most violent part of town. So I’m not unfamiliar with bad circumstances. And yet – kids excelled.
I’m sure that not all teacher prep programs are at the same level, that some really shine. You went to private colleges, correct?
Trash on the playground does not equal the challenges I mentioned. Did you teach in that district?
Trash on the playground is candy wrappers and milk cartons.
And yes, I did.
“I know about/have heard about/have driven past/have visited in my reform-funded travels/have written about/have helped dissect with ‘choice’ initiatives…” is way different than “have invested my blood, sweat, money, time and tears to teach the children in that school who come in from that neighborhood.”
You may wish to fix the typo here: “We will not oppose your efforts to cripple a cornerstone of our democracy.”
Thanks.
Terrific response to the “once and for all” charter issue. For once I have nothing to say.
Anyone willing to help us fight the charter law in PA? It is one of the worst charter laws in the the Nation. Read what Peter Greene has to say about it. He is on the money:
http://curmudgucation.blogspot.com/2016/10/pa-charter-laws-absolute-worst.html
Thank you for this wonderful post…I don’t think that the reader who defends privatization of our public schools will respond.
If he or she did, it would be akin to taking the position that oxygen and water are harmful!
The privatization movement must lie to the public, because to tell the truth, would be to destroy the cash cow. So, what is good must be painted as bad, and what is bad must be supported as good…this is the way evil operates.
A prime example is the wording of the 2nd ballot question on charters, for the voters of Massachusetts.
…the art of deception…the wealth of the billionaires and hedge fund investors…
…with a little peppered sprinkling of the words “civil rights”…
A fool’s argument.
A fool’s pet project.
A fool’s attempt… to both justify and expedite…the theft of our public education and democracy.
The US Dept. of Ed.’s recent $245 mil. to expand charters, was delivered to 7 states and to D.C.. The Walton Foundation targeted communities in 6 of those same 7 states and, in D.C. (1) Boston (2) Atlanta (3) Shelby County, Tenn. (4) Orleans Parish, Louisiana, (5) Houston and (6) L.A./Oakland.
The OIG’s letter, last week, coupled with the Walton’s parallel targeting, is proof that the U.S. Dept. of Ed. and, the U.S. Senate, are totally captured, on K-12 education issues.
The coordination question is interesting. We know there’s a lot of revolving door employees between the ed reform orgs and the Obama Administration – how much of an “in” is that? How influential are they?
It seemed clear to me the Ohio charter grant was timed to coincide with the Youngstown take-over.
Agree.
Charter schools are cheater schools. They cheat educational fairness and equity for all. They cheat fair distribution of resources, the fair burden to educate any and all students, and the democratic ideal to integrate students from all abilities and walks of life.
Ed reformers would have a better case to make expanding charters in Massachusetts if they didn’t lobby to expand charters everywhere, but they DO lobby to expand charters everywhere, so how can they claim it’s about the quality of Boston charters?
What’s it “about” when they run the exact same campaigns in CA, PA, OH, FL and MI?
Not “quality”.
They happen to back “quality” charters in Boston, but they also back any charter, anywhere exactly as zealously. Boston isn’t some outlier. They run the same campaign in every state.
Thank you again, Diane. Well said!
Great Schools Massachusetts would probably get further with people who value existing public schools if they mentioned existing public schools.
http://yeson2ma.com/
I mean, if ed reform is a charter promotion campaign that’s fine, but don’t bill yourselves as “public education advocates” if the plan is to simply omit public schools from any consideration or debate.
I bet people in Massachusetts noticed that. It’s become pretty damn clear in Ohio that this is “about” opening charter schools instead of what were sold 15 years ago, which was “improving public schools”.
“Unless you believe that scores on standardized tests are the purpose of public education and the best measure of educational quality, these “studies” are meaningless and lacking in any understanding of democracy, civic responsibility, and the common good.”
One of Diane’s best posts ever. Added to my charter school database. (Email me for access.)
The billionaires are sending out teams of proselytizers in Massachusetts as we speak, going door to door. Too many people are blissfully unaware of what’s happening, or have embraced the propaganda and truly believe our educational system is failing because of unions and “those people.” The Vote-No people in Mass. have to get boots on the ground if they want to stop them, because that is the ONLY effective counter to that kind of corporate evangelism.
Reblogged this on DelawareFirstState and commented:
A must read!!!
Bravo! Thank you Diane.
I ran into one of those “nasty green flies” after the rain today in MA. I always say how I like Helen Ladd’s work ; and of course EduShyster etc… this was Dmitri’s answer to me (he worked at McKinsey and Students First/Rhee)…. We are having a bitter struggle in MA with these “green flies” comment: You are correct, Jean, that the tribalism is probably too deep to continue. Mercedes and Diane in particular have devoted reams of paper to smear campaigns and conspiracy theories about charter schools and their backers, amplified by AFT and NEA funding. If you step away from that tribalism and look at the evidence regarding (a) charter school funding, and (b) charter school efficacy, you may change your mind. All I ask is that you continue to consider the race and class demographics of the group that is funding the anti-charter crusade, vs. the demographics of the people on the charter wait lists.
So studies that show that charter schools usually are equal to or inferior to regular public schools (particularly when controlling for poverty levels, ELL, and special education levels) are propagand????? Good to know. Up is down and down is up in Massachusetts.
Dmitry, if you’re reading this, the latest is that over $21.7 million of out-of-state money from the most ruthless capitalists who have ever walked the Earth — Eli Broad, the Walton family of Walmart, Wall Street hedge fund managers, etc. — is pouring into Massachusetts to pass Question 2.
Read Mercedes well-researched (and unpaid 😉 ) article here for that $21.7 million figure:
https://deutsch29.wordpress.com/2016/10/05/ma-question-2-funding-hits-21-7-million/
These profit-minded plutocrats who are pouring in this money obviously …
— do not live in Massachusetts,
— have no children, grandchildren, or other relatives that attend public schools in Massachusetts
— have never given a sh#% about the education of middle or lower income until recently, when they realized they could make a buck off privatizing Massachusetts schools via the expansion of privately-run charter schools,.
They want to these corporate charter schools to replace truly public schools — the ones that, for generations, have been accountable and transparent to the public via democratically elected school boards, and which are mandated to educate ALL of the public… including those hardest or most difficult to educate … special ed., English Language Learners, homeless kids, foster care kids, kids with difficult behavior arising from distressed home lives.
Are proponents of Question 2 seriously making the argument that out-of-state billionaires and Wall Street hedge fund managers are pumping in all this money because those folks care so much about the education of kids in Massachusetts? You really think they are NOT seeking a big money return on these ($21.7 million campaign donations?
Does that pass the smell test?
Can you provide an example of JUST ONE TIME in the past where they poured in this kind of cash to something … no strings attached, and with no expectations of return?
If, as Q 2 supporters like Marty Walz claim, the most ruthless capitalists that have ever walked the Earth are now kicking in this
kind of cash to pass Question 2 merely because they care about children’s education —
… and if they are not about their profiting through the privatization of public schools brought about by the expansion of privately-run charter schools,
… then I’m sure one of you Q 2 supporters could google and find a past example where they have done something similar .. .again out of generosity… with no expectation of an eventual monetary return…
Something like …
“Well, back in 2000-something, or 1900-something, these same folks donated $20 million to the (INSERT CHARITABLE CAUSE HERE). Here’s the link that proves this.”
No, I didn’t think so. When this was brought up in a debate, Mary Walz refused to address it, saying, “We need to talk about the kids, not the adults.” Well, keeping money-motivated scum from raping and pillaging Massachusetts public schools IS CARING ABOUT THE KIDS, Marty!
So the real question is:
To whom do the schools of Massachusetts belong? The citizens and parents who pay the taxes there?
Or a bunch of money-motivated out-of-state billionaires and Wall Street hedge fund managers who are trying to buy them via Question 2, and the expansions of privately-managed charter schools which they control, or also profit from their on-line and digital learning products that will be sold to these charter school chains?
If you believe the former, THEN FOR GOD’S SAKE, VOTE “NO” ON QUESTION 2.
Send them a message: Massachusetts schools are NOT FOR SALE!!!
Oh, and go watch the John Oliver charter school piece again:
Thanks, Jack… The comments are in Commonwealth; do you mind if I copy your comment over and put it there? You have summed it up nicely.
Threatened Out West,
Have you read any of the studies from Massachusetts? They’re pretty unequivocal about charter performance being better than traditional districts or pilot schools.
John, did you read my letter? Test scores can easily be gamed when the school has the authority to choose its students and push out those it doesn’t want. Should we destroy public schools across the state so a few kids go to schools with high scores? Any plan for the kids who get low scores?
Diane,
Yes, I read your letter.
You are alleging that the gains (when you even acknowledge gains, or admit that maybe test scores have some validity) are due to pushing students out, but without evidence. I choose to believe what the studies show over your anecdotes. As I’m sure you know, plenty of studies have shown that a small percentage of the gains can be explained by attrition, and even that is peer effect. Where is the data to back up your assertion that they push kids out?
And doesn’t it concern you a bit that predominantly white, suburban voters who will never see a charter school in their neighborhood will effectively be keeping low-income black families from the schools that they want for their children?
John,
The privatization of public schools frightens me. Name a nation in the world where poor kids have been helped by privatization. Or anyone else other than corporations.
Diane,
We simply disagree that charters are privatization. Are public libraries privatization too? By your definition, they are since they don’t have publicly elected boards.
I’m against privatization. Charter accountability is the ultimate in “public”; offer what families want for their children or close. What is the mechanism by which families who are unhappy with traditional public schools can change them? Some examples of where it’s been effective?
You need to get updates from the Mass School Library Associaiton. Sue Doherty is a school librarian from Brockton. Ask her… The library in North Andover and in Malden have no Saturday hours. I go through some libraries and the shelves are almost bare. The libraries have been decimated as well as the schools.
The Buffalo and Erie County Public Library System was downsized over ten years ago. Many libraries were closed and hours were reduced. Ironically, all four libraries in the affluent suburb of Amherst remained open. The city library hours were severly cut back which was a double jeopardy since the school libraries in the Buffalo Public Schools were also only open part time.
One library in the (not as affluent as Amherst) Town of Tonawanda which was closed became a “private” or ” subscription” library where you must be a paying member to sign out books.
Our tax dollars at work. (One of the few places where you actually get to see “where the money goes”).
John,
You must have missed the statements from the NAACP and the Movement for Black Lives calling for a moratorium on charter expansion.
Diane,
These are pretty transparently about schools as employers as opposed to educators of our children. Just read the language.
Depending on which polls you read, between 60 and 75% of African-Americans favor having a charter school in their community.
Lies go a long way in persuading people to buy inferior products and the main strategy of the privatization movement is lies and propaganda.
Since you are part of this movement that is intended to privatize a central democratic institution, I am done with responding to your propaganda.
JOHN,
I agree with you about peer effects. They are huge. If you get rid of the unmotivated students, the slow learners, the disruptive kids, the ELLs, the peer effects are huge. But what ideas do you have for the kids who ate pushed aside to protect the “strivers”? This is a blog about better education for all, not for the few.
Diane,
Do you have any data to back up your assertion that peer effects are “huge”? Most of what I’ve seen says they are negligible to small.
My main issue with your argument though is that our public education system in this country very effectively accomplishes what you are arguing against since the quality of school largely depends on zip code.
Is it OK for families to exercise their school choice by moving to the suburbs, but not OK for low income families who can’t afford that to have a choice also?
Besides, most data I’ve seen shows students with disproportionately lower academic performance going in to charters. Do you have any data that shows that charters are getting a smaller percentage of “unmotivated students, etc.”?
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Do you have any data to back up your assertion that peer effects are “huge”? Most of what I’ve seen says they are negligible to small.” Helen Ladd reports on this aspect; her work has been cited here for two or more years.
jeanhaverhill,
I’m having trouble finding anything from Helen Ladd regarding peer effects in charter schools. Are you aware of any? I ask because general information on peer effects is useful, but doesn’t address whether charters are able to minimize the negative effects by (for example) being less tolerant of disruptive behavior.
John – one of the reasons parents choose a charter school is to get their chikdren away from the “riff raff” in the public schools. This is also why they choose parochial schools (which cost $$$) or home school. In Buffalo, parents view those charters which cater to white students as a free “private” school.
Unfortunately, the schools located in the poorer sections of town tend to consist of a 95-100% minority population and their tests results are comparable to other schools in Buffalo with a similar population. The main draw is that they are located in the neighborhood (since Buffalo did away with most neighborhood schools in an attempt at integration).
All the charter schools in Buffalo have a high expulsion rate – especially after BEDS day in October when the official attendance count is taken.
“And doesn’t it concern you a bit that predominantly white, suburban voters who will never see a charter school in their neighborhood will effectively be keeping low-income black families from the schools that they want for their children?”
The Yes on 2 brigade has been shopping this argument around MA. Problem is no one is buying the notion that hedge funders care about poor children. 165+ school committees has endorsed a No on 2 position because the question would allow unfettered expansion of privatized schools in every community in the Commonwealth, most recently the wealthy Boston suburb of Newton. People like their public schools and we want to keep ’em.
Christine,
If that were accurate, voters would have no trouble allowing families in the cities having their school choice. In Massachusetts, nobody is in a charter except by choice. No charter will ever open in a place where there aren’t enough families who want to attend it.
” No charter will ever open in a place where there aren’t enough families who want to attend it.”
this is untrue… ask the families in Brockton; they had a meeting where the Commissioner was booed by the citizens from the City. When they do a “SIG” take over they toss out the elected school committee and decide , as benevolent despots I guess, “this is what is good for your students” from the state level. When the teachers who are active stand up for the kids they get attacked (as I was by Dmitri)….
Parents are torn; they look to School Committees and Superintendents for guidance. I had a parent say to me this week: “That charter school is costing me more money each year and now I have a 2nd child”…. I told her the intention in the future is to take away her “voucher” and bill her and they will say “well you have been on welfare for so many years, now we are going to charge you $15,000 a year.” You don’t believe me John? Then you don’t know of the insidious moves by politicians to assume power and destroy democracy (by removing a school committee in a SIG district and by now saying the school committees are denied accountability over the funds; the state keeps the funds, the state “reimburses” the district after they pay the charter school and the reimbursements are never adequate. Special Ed mandates were put through without the necessary resources; I can recall saying to the Principal “I will take a child with a breathing tube but I want a nurse full time in the building”…. NCLB was bipartisan and then Kennedy had to complain that the funding did not follow the mandates. RTTtop created racing competitions and now we have this market driven competition which is fueled by mailing fancy many-colored brochures to parents to create waiting lists around the state.
jeanhaverhill,
My point is that there are a sufficient number of families who prefer their children in the charter to keep it open. If there aren’t, it will close due to lack of funding.
that is the model being pushed by Jay P Greene all over the south; He has WALTON Foundation funding that bought up the whole department at U. Arkansas and they push the “competition” mode with vouchers/charters/ESAs. They have a paradigm from “free market” that goes back to Viennese economics… and there is no such thing as a “free” market because the thumb is on the scale (and it favors the plutocrats). See how Jay P Greene describes how it is ok to let a school fail and go out of business in the “free market”; that is not appropriate for a school. If you own a grocery store and you close it the lettuce can die on the shelf and that doesn’t harm the kids… Hospitals and human services and schools have a different paradigm. If you look at the honest researchers you will see that we don’t have ways to sort and level the schools to say “this is failing” anyway so it is all built on sand and the model will crumble. The logic design model just plain stinks.
John “Have you read any of the studies from Massachusetts? They’re pretty unequivocal about charter performance being better than traditional districts or pilot schools.”
Here he goes. I certainly did read those studies. Have you read my criticism of them? Those studies all try to make you believe that mathematics is capable of making golden statistics out of crappy, irrelevant data.
Stop arguing referring to laws passed by reformers, stop arguing based on math papers that have only two lines of formulas and the rest is talk about explaining the notation used in the formulas but not a word about the relevance of the formulas; and finally start arguing using facts and logic.
You can start by answering the most basic question: why do you think scores on standardized math tests have anything to do with understanding mathematics? There is no need for higher math for this, just use plain English.
No, stop, don’t say a word about charter school performance since those are based on standardized test scores, and we haven’t settled the question why those scores would matter one bit.
Máté Wierdl,
99% of the world laughs in derision when people say that tests “don’t matter one bit”. Only in this echo chamber can such a rationalization pass the sniff test.
Show me some data that refutes the correlation of test scores with drop out rates, and drop out rates with unemployment and imprisonment.
There are lots of harder things to measure that count more, but refuting the value of test scores in order to rationalize a political position is transparent.
For example, the CREDO methodology was fine when it reported poor charter performance, but now that it shows better performance, the same people who called it the gold standard then now find it lacking. Some (e.g. Diane) even continue to laud the first report while ignoring or deriding the subsequent reports that use the same methodology.
Want to post a link to your criticisms? I’ll read.
John,
Standardized tests accurately measure family income. Nearly 1,000 colleges and universities no longer require them for admission.
John: “…Only in this echo chamber can such a rationalization pass the sniff test….Show me some data that refutes the correlation of test scores with drop out rates, and drop out rates with unemployment and imprisonment.”
I asked you the following question about the relationship between standardized tests and math education:
What does year end standardized tests on speedy calculations have to do with math and understanding of math?
Instead, you are talking about unemployment and prisons. Why?
Even if somebody found a correlation between (un)employment and scores on standardized speedy calculation tests, does it mean we should replace teaching math with test preparation for speedy calculations?
Here is the abstract of a study on (maximal) correlation between stuff that is as easy to evaluate as the studies on charter school performance:
“In this paper we show that if kids are starving, they don’t get fat. Hence we recommend that all kids in the US should starve.”
How carefully would you read the paper for scientific merit?
No, the question of quality of math education needs to be answered in the confines of math education.
Any correlation with outside stuff will have easily dismissible elements.
Here is a reasonable correlation between standardized tests and unemployment, and while it happens to be very close to the real justification, it has nothing to do with quality of education.
Standardized tests enable kids to take tests on computers. Hence every school needs hundreds of computers. The demand for millions of more computers demands more jobs in computer manufacturing, and if more jobs are created, the unemployment rate will drop and so will the prison population.
Hence we recommend that all kids in the US take standardized tests, and spend their school time preparing for them.”
In this “echo chamber” what I hear echoing is my question about standardized test scores, speedy calculations and math education, but no sensible or even remotely relevant answer ever reaches me.
Máté Wierdl,
So, what percentage of say a given year’s common core aligned test is what you refer to as “speedy calculations”, vs. what percentage shows understanding of concepts like units, number planes, etc.?
What score do you think someone who can solely do “speedy calculations” gets on a specific exam?
John “So, what percentage of say a given year’s common core aligned test is what you refer to as “speedy calculations”, vs. what percentage shows understanding of concepts like units, number planes, etc.?”
Number planes? What’s your background in math, John?
What makes you think, understanding of math is about recalling formulas and concepts in a timely manner? Did you think that recalling and plugging into formulas, converting units in a given time are not about calculations?
Kids on this video are in the process of understanding math
and I’d like to see a test capturing this in a quantitative way. I also would like to witness somebody’s efforts in trying to rank the kids in the video.
Kids solving any of the problems on this webpage are not doing math
https://www.testprepreview.com/math-grade-7.htm
The same can be said about any of the videos I have seen from the Success Academy.
I hope this answers your question.
If you direct me to a webpage that has an actual CC test given, say, by Pearson, I can give you an even more precise answer.
The fact is that the description of the CC standards has some sensible ideas about what math education needs to be about, but those ideas cannot be captured and evaluated by tests.
I much prefer the study by Deborah Waber at Children’s Hospital; she has many children living in poverty who are referred to the Clinic there and she produced a report of how the children she sees at the Hospital are penalized by the MCAS — The studies that Fordham Institute puts out aren’t worth a hill of beans. It is also impossible to compare the populations in charter schools with the populations in public schools… They may be from the same city but there is a selection bias built in…. Jay P. Greene says “just believe me and trust me and do this voucher/charter thing and in some places it might work and it won’t work in other places but that is the risk you take and then you close the ones where it didn’t work because that is the model of competition. ”
They are using a grocery store paradigm and applying it to human beings; you can’t do that in human services… kids are not “products” and in this state teachers have been denigrated and students have been reduced to a caste system where they are treated as objects.
The studies have sample selection problems and they all have been using tests that are not proven valid or reliable . You et a different score if you take the test on the computer or if you take it with pencil and paper. They keep readjusting the questions and they haven’t proven validity. The MEAP, the MCAS, the PARRC and now the hybrid PARRC/MCAS on steroids. It is one giant experiment. There is no way you can compare schools using this mess of garbage but the state insists on creating “levels”. The Mayor of Boston does not find it acceptable. About two years ago the City of Marlboro applied to have their data reprocessed because to the category the DESE had assigned them to. People who think they can make conclusions out of the “charter” school reporting are (a) ignorant (b) naive © have never studied testing psychology or (d) are just attempting to sway the parents and taxpayers voting… and they are doing it with “phony” studies and lies/fraud telling parents “this test has predictive validity ” and it does not … The Commissioner is requesting another $3 million for his testing chaos and 10 years to prove validity and reliability. I say to the Governor don’t waste the money.
jeanhaverhill,
There is a difference between saying that absolute measures mean something as opposed to saying that comparative measures do.
You have a valid point that you can’t directly compare results because the populations differ, but studies that do a good job of negating this using lottery peers show substantial positive effects for charters, especially with low income students, ELLs, and special education students.
If someone wants to discount those findings, I think they have to point out how they’re wrong. Even the NEPC didn’t argue with the findings; just what their significance should be in public policy debates.
John,
I have nothing more to say to you until you tell me your plan for all the kids the charters don’t want and until you tell me why you love boot camp schools for America’s children. I wouldn’t allow my own children or grandchildren to go to such repressive, conformist atmospheres; would you? And one more thing: give me one existence proof of a district or a nation that has privatized its schools and meets the needs of all children.
John “but studies that do a good job of negating this using lottery peers show substantial positive effects for charters, especially with low income students, ELLs, and special education students.”
Positive effects are measured in scores on standardized tests hence they are irrelevant. What these studies using charter school lotteries come up with is that charters may be able to prepare ELLs and special ed kids for standardized tests. Those who lost the lottery, may likely get real help in quality education, and that may not allow time to preparate for standardized tests.
What charter schools do well is make parents believe that scores on standardized tests ensure quality in education. These misguided parents then keep charter schools open. It’s not high educational value that keeps charters open, it’s advertisement.
thanks for all your comments ….. this is one of the latest articles ; one of the ads favoring charters names the Lowell Sun yet this is the actual data from the City expressed in how funds are lost to the City of Lowell http://www.lowellsun.com/breakingnews/ci_30459092/report-lowell-paying-high-price-charter-schools#ixzz4Mpwz6bW5
Wow, Jean. From the end of the article
Net charter school costs for Lowell
Fiscal 2007: $6.4 million
2009: $8.8 million
2011: $9.5 million
2013: $8.9 million
2015: $12.6 million
2017: $17 million*
projected
That’s a 3 fold increase by next year.
I pulled out this quote from Jean’s post above?
DMITRY MELHORN: “Mercedes and Diane in particular have devoted reams of paper to smear campaigns and conspiracy theories about charter schools and their backers, amplified by AFT and NEA funding.”
Is Dmitry claiming that Mercedes and Diane are getting paid by AFT and NEA to promote an agenda? That’s quite an accusation.
If Dr. Ravitch was in this for the money, she could put up banners and advertisements and the like all over this site. After all, this site has gotten 20 million views or whatever. Instead, she keeps this site as black text on a white field, so not a penny comes here way.
Just for the record, I am not paid by anyone to blog or write on this site. My views are my own, based on 50 years of scholarship and experience in government and in conservative think tanks. I frequently receive solicitations to place ads on the site because of its high volume (more than 27 million page views), but I reject them out of hand.
Since corporate reformers like Mr. Melhorn think that everyone is in it for the money, they can’t believe that there are people like Mercedes and me who do what we do because of conviction. There actually are people who act from conviction, not for money.
Thank you, Diane. I followed his comment with that point that AFT/NEA does not pay you or Jan or Mercedes etc. He interprets my conviction as “outrage” (emotional women?) and states he is only trying to see that the poor kids get good schools. There is a lot of the “failing schools” rhetoric and anti-union in his message but he also attacks the mayors and the school committees . There were others who commented and Dan Gleason had some good comments about funding and he appears in our local newspapers as well… How can they convince even themselves they are doing it for the children and then accuse me of denying resources to the poorest in the city? The hurricane (tail end of rain) passed through yesterday and some canvassers got really wet near the Cape but we were also able to do phone banking from home. We do have some “boots on the ground” and the “Walk In” last Thursday will be repeated in my city again this week and other towns/cities are working diligently. p.s. he wrote back a paragraph long defense of Michelle Rhee (it is in Commonwealth if anyone wants to see ; he says he helped her because he felt she was being treated so badly).
I think that hits the nail on the head: Too many of those who push school reform simply cannot imagine working for any reason other than MONEY.
Thanks Jack; I definitely agree. Dmitri was complaining about governing people as well as the authors of the books and articles. If I said something about my mayor or the Mayor of Northampton then he would attack the mayors and the school committees. One woman in the comments asked if he lived in MA so that is when I looked him up and found the McKinsey connections. He then wrote he worked with Michelle Rhee so it came out in various comments back and forth. We also know that the phone calls going to homes in support of charters are coming from the Rocky Mountains and they ask 9 questions approximately: one of which is “do teachers not want to try new things?” or some question indicating we don’t want to innovate trying to lead the parents responding with more complaints about teachers. So then he attacks me for not wanting to help the poor.
Very slick and polished PR. Organizations aligned against public education and teachers’ unions share these strategies/catch-phrases among themselves and the politicians in their pockets. This is why the exact same stats show up in speeches, press releases, articles, “tweets”… and this smooth “rich teachers against poor children” is an excellent example. As politically aware and active non-teachers began to get involved and defend their children it expanded to a privileged middle class against the poor. I would suggest Dmitri contrast the concentrated wealth of the few (who are funding privatization and helping to advise politicians out of their obligations) with the collective need of the public. Instead of seed investors, outsourcing, stack-ranking…we could approach it with “all children need…”. (not a sentence ending with “choice”)
the latest ad put out by the “YesCharter Chatters” has a “dog whistle”…. they are saying middle class caucasian students and middle class teachers (presumably in suburbia?) and then they show “these students need charter schools” and they switch the images to Latino/Hispanic/minority populations of students. Of course they don’t use the words but it is clear in the images and that will be on the TV/cable now for two – 3 weeks; plus they are raising the issue that “too many MTA members are caucasian”… The role models in the Boston schools who were of minority group were let go because of recession and austerity… that was not anything planned by the teachers or the MTA…. All the 5 years of the recession when I was volunteering at the homeless shelter for women and children failed senator Scotty Brown was saying “that is a waste of money” and I knew the funds were spent on food/shelter/ etc and we got every child signed up under medical coverage.
What about all those ed reformers who come from privileged class (not the caste of school teachers who are being pushed into lower middle class because of the republican policies and activities against all unions (machinists, etc.) and they keep feeding the profits of the 1% (a good reference to Robert Reich goes here)
Oh Lord, that man is exhausting.
I lost faith in reasonable conversation with him when he linked me to one of his “articles” where he tried to take down Bruce Baker at Rutgers and included in his “evidence” an piece of an attempted “sting” operation by professional troll James O’Keefe – of the ACORN pimp video fame.
When I called him out on using such sleezy material, he told me he was just presenting it for others to use to make up their minds. Blocked him on Twitter immediately.
What you are willing to use to make your arguments says a lot about you.
and I think they sunk a notch lower in this new ad…. as well as Stephen Ronan on blogs and in the Boston Globe. The Pioneer Institute (libertarian supposedly) says we are ant-catholic if we don’t support charter schools. But the charter schools are also pushing out the parochial schools. Thank you Daniel Katz for the comments
because i supported these women (including Jan Resseger) he says they put out “reams of paper”? I find that a nasty comment ….
Excellent. Thank you.
SPREAD THE WORD because state lawmakers and voters everywhere need to know right now that the Office of Inspector General of the U.S. Department of Education has issued a warning that charter schools posed a risk to the Department of Education’s own goals. The report says: “Charter schools and their management organizations pose a potential risk to federal funds even as they threaten to fall short of meeting the goals.”
The report documents multiple cases of financial risk, waste, fraud, abuse, lack of accountability of federal funds, and lack of proof that the schools were implementing federal programs in accordance with federal requirements.
Throughout our nation, private charter schools backed by billionaire hedge funds are being allowed to divert hundreds of millions of public school tax dollars away from educating America’s children and into private corporate pockets. Any thoughtful person should pause a moment and ask: “Why are hedge funds the biggest promoters of charter schools?” Hedge funds aren’t altruistic — there’s got to be big profit in “non-profit” charter schools in order for hedge fund managers to be involved in backing them.
And even the staunchly pro-charter school Los Angeles Times (which acknowledges that its “reporting” on charter schools is paid for by a billionaire charter school advocate) complained in an editorial that “the only serious scrutiny that charter operators typically get is when they are issued their right to operate, and then five years later when they apply for renewal.” Without needed oversight of what charter schools are actually doing with the public’s tax dollars, hundreds of millions of tax money that is supposed to be spent on educating the public’s children is being siphoned away into private pockets.
One typical practice of charter schools is to pay exorbitant rates to rent buildings that are owned by the charter school board members or by their proxy companies which then pocket the public’s tax money as profit. Another profitable practice is that although charter schools use public tax money to purchase millions of dollars of such things as computers, the things they buy with public tax money become their private property and can be sold by them for profit…and then use public tax money to buy more, and sell again, and again, and again, pocketing profit after profit.
The Washington State and New York State supreme courts and the National Labor Relations Board have ruled that charter schools are not public schools because they aren’t accountable to the public since they aren’t governed by publicly-elected boards and aren’t subdivisions of public government entities, in spite of the fact that some state laws enabling charter schools say they are government subdivisions.
Charter schools are clearly private schools, owned and operated by private entities. Nevertheless, they get public tax money. Moreover, as the NAACP and ACLU have reported, charter schools are often engaged in racial and economic-class discrimination.
Charter schools should (1) be required by law to be governed by school boards elected by the voters so that they are accountable to the public; (2) a charter school entity must legally be a subdivision of a publicly-elected governmental body; (3) charter schools should be required to file the same detailed public-domain audited annual financial reports under penalty of perjury that genuine public schools file; and, (4) anything a charter school buys with the public’s money should be the public’s property.
NO FEDERAL MONEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO GO TO CHARTER SCHOOLS THAT FAIL TO MEET THESE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE PUBLIC. Hillary Clinton could, if elected President, on day one in office issue an Executive Order to the Department of Education to do just that. Tell her today to do that! Send her the above information to make certain she knows about the Inspector General’s findings and about the abuses being committed by charter schools.
“Assistant Secretary of Education for Research in the George H.W. Bush administration; a founding member of two conservative think tanks–the Thomas B. Fordham Foundation and the Koret Task Force at the Hoover Institution, as well as a Senior Fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute and a Senior Fellow at the centrist Brookings Institution. I was an avid proponent of charter schools for almost 15 years.”
Switching from there to what you exhibit here, on this blog, couldn’t have happened without serious inner turmoil.
Mate,
I explained my conversion experience in the 2010 book “The Death and Life of the Great American School System: How Testing and Choice are Undermining Education.” I revised it last summer to explain my loss of belief in national standards. It was a wrenching experience and I lost many friends, but in time found new ones. We are very polarized in this country. Changing your mind about anything is considered a shocking thing to do.
I always thought Diane was with us; in the 70s – 80s I gave her book on bilingual education to the principal of Wetherbee School in Lawrence because she had so many young children with ELL needs as a priority and she worked so well with the parents. I thought the principals needed more of Diane’s ideas and thoughts (not what the state department is telling them about test and punish today).
“This is a letter to a reader who frequently sends comments defending the privatization of public schools in Massachusetts. ”
I didn’t know about Stephen’s repetitious objections, so I apparently wasted lots of energy on arguing with him. Dang.
And read some of the research he linked to…
same stuff that Dmitri is citing …. anything that favors a charter school ….. no matter who bought and paid for the “study”… This is the same kind of story as the tobacco industry (and now the Big Pharma story).
Some thoughts:
Comparing the US to Finland or any other European Country is like comparing apples to oranges. The dynamics are just not the same . Should we try to learn from best practices in orher countries? Of course, but each must adapt to the needs of their student population. In the 1970s Australia was held up as the model school system with their multigrade approach. (When my local elementary school adopted a modified type of that program the school claimed it might be better for some and it would do no harm to the rest. My child survived the process and I had no complaints).
If the education system in the US is so bad, why do so many students from other countries come here for their schooling?
I might add that many American students also enter college as Sophmores having completed college coursework in high school.
The problem in generalizing is that when the analysis is one sided lacking the nuances necessary to understand the dynamics of a system which educates a vast number of students with varying needs from all kinds of backgrounds.
This is also the problem with charter schools who choose to narrow their focus to a certain type of student, rejecting those with diverse needs which require expensive interventions. Don’t forget – our public schools educate ALL. Add in an emphasis on profit instead of children, plus the adoption of a business model which values voodoo statistics over humanity, and you have educators holding their heads in dismay and leaving the profession.
We are fighting to preserve all the positives found in public schools and get rid of the crap that is currently being forced down the teacher’s throats preventing them from doing their jobs.
I resent when someone says the teachers in the US are not qualified since the majority of them are hard working professionals who have earned my respect. It’s a self weeding profession as those who can’t cut it quit or don’t get tenure. Sometimes they don’t even last that first week.
The TFAs are only temporary additions – a “cheap renewable source” who should be hired as interns or assistant teachers instead of being expected to run a classroom without the proper training.
We had a good system in the US which wasn’t broke but needed equitable funding in the poorer jurisdictions to compensate for the lack of opportunities due to issues related to poverty. The new system of “one size fits all” ignores the special needs the former philosophy of individualized instruction addressed.
There is a lot wrong with the current educational model, but blaming the teachers is not helpful or productive.
Are the teachers in Europe better than the teachers in America? I think it’s the same situation when we compare the teachers in the suburbs to the teachers working in the inner city. On paper there is no comparison, but in reality the ones in the city have a more difficult task and switching faculties would not change the results. One story – a teacher was receiving a bad rating in a high needs school and transferred to a school which was selective in its student population. Surprise! Overnight she became a model teacher with superior results.
One final comment, in order to teach in New York State you need a Master’s Degree, a passing grade on a National Teacher’s exam, and numerous continuing education hours to maintain your certification. The feeble brained need not apply. Even the alternate education programs like TFA choose from the top of the class, so don’t disparage teachers by inferring they somehow have a lesser education than their European counterparts.
Very well put!
Curmudgucation had written this so I copied it over into the Commonwealth where Dimitri doesn’t let up…. ”
[Note: The implication that Mercedes Schneider is a union shill, heavily subsidized by anybody, is puzzling and, as you have to know, without any basis in reality. Schneider is a classroom teacher who, like me, gives up things like sleep and comfy meals to do the work of researching and blogging. I agree that she can super-human at times, but I’ve met her and she seems exceptionally human to me, smart as hell, and passionate about public education. I don’t know why it’s so hard for some folks to believe that virtually all of speaking up for public education are doing it for free, but Schneider does not deserve to be tagged with a charge of being a union shill.]
I didn’t know this about Joel Klein; that adds a new dimension for me… I knew of his charter work in MA and then the debacle in NY..
“Joel Klein and I were anti-trust lawyers before we were ed reformers. My legal career, when it lasted, consisted of suing ….”
Dimitri continues his barrage; I can hold my own but I told him I have real important work to do now (6 days a week at the Democratic City headquarters) … He left his email on the Commonwealth article if anyone else has time to continue the discussion.
a poem from Tablet today…. this reminds me of Vivaldi (seasons) and also King Lear…. I have to get out of that mood with Dimitri so your forebearances is appreciated.
” Perhaps only when they’re encountered among the strands of memories that involuntarily emerge in moments of intense contemplation. Here’s one such contemplation, captured in Menashe’s untitled poem:
Always
When I was a boy
I lost things—
I am still
Forgetful –
Yet I daresay
All will be found
One day
Childhood memories and tendencies crystallize into a soul’s imprint and language. They are our own intensely personal, original mythology.
Jean, beautiful
Excellent! We just defeated a charter application in my town. Agree wholeheartedly!
Thank you!
Some of your finest writing.
A Boston parent, exchanging emails with (G)Nat Morton, received a digital file from Gnat in support of his arguments. But he forgot to use his nom de plume, and revealed himself as Marc Kenen, executive Director of the MA Charter School Association and also the author of ballot Question 2.
http://www.masscharterschools.org/about-us/staff
Kenen has not denied that Nat Morton is his avatar. Further, Stephen B. Ronan is the only person I have ever seen refer to Nat Morton’s blog, and in any forum where the one appears,the other is apt to chime in. This leads me to conclude that Kenen is Gnat is Ronan.
I find it difficult to enage seriously with someone who would defund our excellent public schools when he is not even willing to own his perspective publicly by using his own name as he advances the cause of the privatizers. And if there’s any question whether the ballot question is designed to defund our schools, it’s worth noting that Boston City Councilor Tito Jackson made this point in the Askwith Forum at Harvard on Sept. 27 regarding Question 2. He asked Kenen directly why he had not written a funding mechanism into the proposal. Start at 1:12:00 (It’s apparent in the video that Kenen bears more than a passing resemblance to his Nat Morton avatar.)
https://gseweb.harvard.edu/news/16/09/more-charter-schools-massachusetts-vote-and-national-debate