Peter Greene examines the latest legislative assault on teachers in Alabama.Alabama seems to have joined a “race to the bottom” in its eagerness to demoralize anyone who teaches its children. If the legislature has its way, teaching will be a temp job, not a profession or a career.
He writes:
“Would you be willing to bet your entire teaching career that you will never have students who score low on the Big Standardized Test? Would you take the bet for a little bit more money?
“Alabama is hoping there are people who will take that bet, as their legislature rolls out the Rewarding Advancement in Instruction and Student Excellence Act– RAISE!! The actual intent of this bill is telegraphed by the fact that it has often been touted as a “tenure reform bill.” To read up on it, I suggest this piece, as well as the blog of Larry Lee, who has covered the act pretty thoroughly and includes many comments from affected parties.
“The bill is intended to tie teacher pay and teacher employment to student test results. There will be whole new state action to make up a list of possible evaluation tools for all teachers of untested subjects. There will be requirements for student growth. There will be an opportunity for some students and parents to evaluate teachers.
“The BS Test that will be used is the ACT Aspire, a pre-ACT manufactured by the ACT folks. Is it aligned in any way with Alabama’s standards? If it is, nobody seems to be saying so. But those test results will be the basis of pretty much everything?
“The big bet that I opened with– that’s the choice that RAISE presents teachers with. You can have a traditional tenure track or a performance track. The performance track is supposed to bring you the big bucks, with huge money on the table. The starting salary on this schedule must be $2,500 more than the lowest traditional starting schedule, so maybe not so huge in some districts. All you have to do is get your students to produce big time test scores– in fact, once your students aren’t producing those scores, your career is done. In other words, on this track, your job is literally only to prepare students for the test.
“On the traditional track (called the “grandfathered salary schedule”), you will still be judged by test scores. You’ll wait five years for tenure, and your tenure will be not protect you from low test scores– two bad years ago and your tenure is revoked, with another five year stretch before it can be re-instated. Also, your extra education will no longer make any difference in your pay. What did you think– that the state was going to hire you to stay smart about your field? No smarty pants extra degrees necessary in Alabama.
“Teachers hired before May of 2017 get a choice of which salary schedule to choose– but once they choose the performance schedule, they may not switch back. And if tenured teachers choose the performance track, they must give up tenure.
“Also, as just a fun side note, RAISE also boosts the Alabama Longitudinal Data System, a giant data mining and storage program which will make Big Brother proud.
“There are many reasons to hate this proposal, including but not limited to the way in which it reduces Alabama schools to nothing but test prep facilities. For teachers who aren’t directly prepping for the ACT, it will be a crap shoot as far as what test they’ll be prepping their students for. But all these tests will be tests that are given strictly to determine the pay and job standing of the teacher in the classroom.
“Clearly, Alabama has entered the Drive Teachers Out of the Classroom derby. After all, who would want to take a teaching job where you made some good-ish money for a couple of years but had no hope of maintaining an actual lifetime teaching career. I mean, who would want to get into a classroom, make some bucks, just teach to a test, and then get out before they were even thirty years old? Oh, wait.”
One guess.
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Sound a lot like what is Georgia is doing. Teachers have been able to push back some of it. It shows how uneducated legislators are when it comes to education.
Aspiring teachers should run, not walk, to Alabama. Note that Peter Greene can’t bring himself to actually tell the truth. The bill has nothing to do with your students receiving low scores on the statewide tests. The system only measures student growth (otherwise known as VAMs). You literally could have every single one of your students fail the test and still get the highest teacher evaluation score (if your students were disadvantaged and previously scored poorly). It’s all about how much value you add to the classroom.
Some other promising portions of the actual bill include:
– student and parent surveys so that the clients of the school have a say in how the school is run
– observations of teachers at least twice a year and for the entire lesson, not just a 5-minute obligatory “you are the greatest teacher ever” requirement
– observations count more than student growth. I know Peter and others would like to lie and deceive folks on this part but it’s there in black and white
Now, I have an anecdote on Alabama teaching. A friend of mine is from Utah. Her sister gained some teaching experience while pursuing a biology graduate degree at the University of Utah. After toiling away for a few years assisting professors in the dept with their research for low pay (< $40K/yr), she moved down to Huntsville, Alabama to be with her fiance. Since there were no jobs in the area in her specialty, she decided to become a teacher.
I believe she started as a substitute at the beginning of the year but since they were woefully short on STEM teachers, they made her a permanent substitute within a few days. She was quite astonished at the level of knowledge of the students. It was in a rather poor neighborhood and the school was notorious for having most of the kids fail the standardized tests. When she began teaching real science, some of the other teachers objected. You see, she was contradicting the nonsense they had been teaching and the “veteran teachers” didn’t like students being told that concepts the veteran teachers taught were not valid. She survived that controversy and the kids loved her.
So the big day of the test arrives. The students seemed pretty confident in their performance. After a week or so, the results come back. Her students had scored some of the highest marks in the history of that school. They immediately began imploring her to stay and worked on ways to make her a fully licensed teacher. The other teachers were not amused. How dare a real STEM major come down and actually teacher their students science. Eventually the tension from the other teachers became too much and she decided to leave. Not the kids, mind you. The ineffective teachers!
Meanwhile, she had been contacted by other states (NC at least) about alternative teaching certification programs. They were seeking STEM teachers and were willing to start her out at a higher salary (believe step 5 or so) and be very flexible on the certification process.
The point of the story is that we have 10,000’s of post-docs in STEM universities who make relatively little money. If given the chance, actively recruited, and not forced to undergo ridiculous certification processes, we can have excellent STEM teachers. That is, unless the jealous teachers like Peter Greene stand in the way!
Virginia,
Please hurry to Alabama and get a job as a teacher. Test scores are one part of teaching, but far from the largest part. Can you manage a classroom? Can you communicate what you know to adolescents or small children? Do you know how to help children with disabilities?
You know so little about teaching, but have very strong opinions that have no basis in reality.
Did they forget to replenish the oxygen in your submarine?
An oxygen deprived brain will frequently produce delusions of grandeur. What’s stopping you from showing all those ineffective teachers in Virginia (or Alabama) just how it should be done. Put your money where your keyboard is!
Since we have heard many complaints on this blog from peddlers of corporate education reform about the uselessness of anecdotes—except of course when it comes to instances of praising rheephorm initiatives like charters such as $ucce$$ Academy—I am going to invoke that most terrible of American traditions—
Even steven. Fair play. You can’t eat your cake and have it too.
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As a person who lived in Huntsville for 25 years and as an advocate for the students and teachers there for the past 4 years I find your comments woefully misinformed and insulting.
Are you aware that Huntsville and Madison county have the highest percentage of people with advanced degrees in the state? I’m sure you are aware that NASA is located there along with Boeing and Lockheed Martin.
Are you aware that Huntsville has a Broad trained superintendent that has been cited by the Dept of Justice for offering very few AP courses to the students in those low performing schools. His reason? They arent capable of the work.
He can’t even get out from under a desegregation order because of the dual system he perpetuates.
So before you go attacking teachers you might want to look at the superintendent to see where his priorities are. They certainly are not with our high poverty kids having STEM classes.
We want nothing more than an equitable education for our high poverty kids. Our teachers in those schools have been beat down, starved of resources, and made to feel like they are less important than the teachers at the non poverty schools.
It’s a shame your best friend’s sister didn’t bother sticking around to understand the climate and culture of our system so she could contribute in a long term and lasting way.
Maybe, had she bothered to go through the process of certification, she would have learned about collaboration and best practices resulting in a higher level of respect for her colleagues.
“…I find your comments woefully misinformed and insulting.”
Hi, Terri, you must be new around here. I’d like you to meet Brian, otherwise known as virginiasgp, but “woefully misinformed and insulting” would make an equally good screenname for him.
The “impact of choice” is that those in power can ignore de facto segregation or justify perpetuating it. Those in charge can also redline educational opportunity the same way housing patterns have dictated opportunity to the haves and have nots. This is a bigger civil rights issue than the perception that choice is opportunity for minorities. Choice is only an opportunity for a chosen few at the expense of many. Public education’s mission is mostly to cast a wide net of opportunity for many rather than aim a narrow pointer at a few. It is unfortunate that the unjust ways schools are funded have left many urban schools in a decayed state so they have been hampered in offering many students a fair chance.
No wonder your friend of a friend didn’t teach in Utah. Beginning teachers make FAR LESS than “the lower forties.” She was have lost several thousand dollars to teach here.
And Peter Greene teaches English, so why would he be “jealous?” By the way, the worst teacher I have ever seen was a science teacher “from private industry.” She was horribly abusive to kids. So I wouldn’t assume that many post-doc STEM teachers can hack teaching teenagers.
Yes, I will agree that Utah has some of the lowest funding in the US. Pretty impressive results at that funding level.
Peter Greene would be jealous that non-tenured teachers could receive higher pay than him. Or that harder-to-fill STEM teaches might receive more than English teachers. Labor markets adjust pay based on demand and scarcity. If we acknowledge that STEM teachers have been harder to fill for decades, then we must acknowledge that position requires a higher salary to fill. Why aren’t we differentiating salaries based on subjects taught? We all know why…. unions.
Please do not feed this troll.
Anecdotes are not evidence of what can be done on a massive scale. I have worked with fine teachers on emergency credentials. I have also worked with absolute flops no matter how talented in their major field, especially when faced with really difficult students.
Agreed. Hire 1000’s of STEM majors as STEM teachers and see which ones are (1) effective and (2) willing to remain in teaching. I’m not asking for easier evaluations of STEM majors.
Just because someone really wants to be an astronaut doesn’t mean they will be a good astronaut. Just because someone wants to be a teacher (and major in education) doesn’t mean they will be a good teacher, either.
Virginia, there is a long-term shortage of math and science teachers because these grads can earn more in the private sector. If there are thousands of them eager to teach, welcome.
This is the whole crux of TFA. Recruiting highly capable individuals who can teach for at least a couple of years and some of whom may stay permanently.
There is also a lot of disinformation out there regarding benefits. The same applies to federal civilian workers and military members. Virtually no school district advertises its “private sector equivalent salary” that places a monetary value on the pensions. When schools do that, they will invariably receive more applicants including STEM majors.
Why would anyone (other than unions who want to make their compensation appear lower than it is) oppose publishing that information to attract new teachers? It is such a cynical position to oppose its release and then harp on the fact that candidates are not entering the profession.
Do you oppose it Diane? Don’t you think every school district should publish (just like food nutrition labels) not only the salary scales but the combined compensation when pensions are included?
I am all for that, Virginia. I am opposed to TFA and temps in the classroom unless no one else is available to teach. Schools need career professionals, not temps. And, yes, even with pensions, teachers are paid far less than they deserve, far less than other professions with equivalent education requirements.
Virginia, please go teach, if they will take you. I think your views would change if you spent some time in the classroom
Your logic is serious flawed and totally wrong. Labeling TFA recruits as “highly capable” before they even start teaching is disingenuous and foolish.
TFA recruits are college graduates with high GPAs. All that means is they were good students in college and did enough work to earn that high GPA. A high GPA does not equal a highly competent teacher.
How does a high GPA in college translate into being a great teacher? What if the TFA recruit has a 4.0 GPA when they graduate from college but they are a shy introvert and don’t have the skills to manage a classroom of unruly children?
A TFA recruit gets 5 weeks of summer workshop training and most of them know they will not stay longer than two years with a promise of a job waiting for them in a state capital or Washington DC where they become undercover loyalists for TFA and the corporate charter industry.
It is arguable that most TFA recruits who leave after they serve their two years are not good teachers.
How Long Does it Take to Become a “Good” Teacher?
“If you look at world class athletes, scientists, musicians, and other professionals, the empirical finding is 10,000 hours of practice helps to account for their winning awards and being at the top of their game (along with talent, opportunity, and aid from friends and family). (PDF The Making of an Expert).
“Of course, one cannot expect every teacher to be world-class so let’s say that it takes half of 10,000 hour rule to be a sufficiently “good” teacher where principals and parents want that teacher in their school. Five thousand hours amounts to 5 to 6 years of teaching experience. Here’s the math: 180 days a school year X 5 hours a day of teaching=900 hours a year X 5 years = 4500 (6 years means 5400 hours of practice).
“Yet Teach for America (TFA) and other alternative organizations enlist recruits for urban schools for only two years.”
https://larrycuban.wordpress.com/2010/04/20/how-long-does-it-take-to-become-a-good-teacher/
West coast teacher: you wrote—
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Anecdotes are not evidence of what can be done on a massive scale. I have worked with fine teachers on emergency credentials. I have also worked with absolute flops no matter how talented in their major field, especially when faced with really difficult students.
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Your experience and good sense are showing.
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Rheephormsters, on the other hand, use outliers to prove that the unusual or rare instance of something [often fantastical] can be replicated on a large scale. Just like in the Vergara trial where Dr. Raj Chetty used Michael Jordan [even among pro basketball players an outlier!] as a example of what elimination of tenure could supposedly produce for every classroom—a Michael Jordan-class teacher!
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It seems that those immersed in rheephorm numbers & stats can’t figure out that by their very nature, the atypical is not typical. That is, being atypical is not typical of the typical. To mangle a perfectly good line from the Lake Wobegone program:
“Well, that’s the news from Rhee World, where all the female edupreneurs are selfless saints like Eva Moskowitz, all the male rheephormsters are charter gods like Steve Van Zant, and every charter has graduation and college acceptance rates of 100%.”
They rheeally believe that stuff too.
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Perhaps you might want to change your name to Alabama SubmarineGeekyPlanet to sell your name.
“An Anecdotal Antidote”
(“ECONOMAD” versified)
A friend of mine has “Sister Saint”
With bio-STEM degree
As teacher, she is Heaven sent
From Utah, doncha see
A miracle is what she worked
Without a teaching cert
The other teachers went berserk
Because they all felt hurt
The unions chased her with a drum
And so she left the school
My story proves that cert is dumb
And none should be the rule
Sounds like the “OUT SOURCING” game to me. It’s ALL so SIC!
Alabama is really serious about having quality teachers in its classrooms.
Just kidding. Alabama might as well be another third world country.
All it takes to become a substitute teacher in Alabama is a high school diploma or the equivalent, such as a GED. Oh, and an application that can be downloaded, filled out and submitted with the $30 fee. Sub pay is based on how much education you have. If all you have is a high school degree or its equivalent, the pay is $65 a day. A 4-year college degree will earn you an amazing additional $15 a day. If you are a certified teacher with a college degree, the pay goes up to $100 a day.
http://www.degreetree.com/resources/how-to-become-a-substitute-teacher-in-alabama
Alabama has a population of about 4.8 milling people and 18.6% live below the poverty level—that’s about 900,000 people, and 300,000 are children. Since there are more than 1.1 million children under 18 years in Alabama, that means almost 37% of the children in Alabama live in poverty.
The state legislature and its governor must be planning to test these children out of poverty an punish teachers when it doesn’t work.
According to FeedingAmerica.org, in Alabama, 1 in 5 people struggles with hunger, and ThinkProgress.org reports: “Three in ten children in New Mexico, Arizona, Oregon, and Washington, D.C. face food insecurity, as do a quarter or more of children in Georgia, Florida, Arkansas, Nevada, Texas, South Carolina, Mississippi, North Carolina, California, Alabama, Ohio, Oklahoma, and Tennessee. Zavala County, Texas has the highest rate of child food insecurity: 46 percent.”
Anyone who thinks high stakes tests, punishing public school teachers, closing public schools and turning OUR children over to autocratic, opaque and often fraudulent, cherry picking, for-profit corporate charter schools managed by psychopaths, like power hungry and greedy Eva Moskowitz and/or Michelle Rhee, is going to solve this problem is a total idiot and fool.
It’s even worse now. The state boe passed a resolution on jan. 14, 2016 stating that anyone with a high school diploma can be an adjunct teacher.
This is worse because the subs with a hs diploma couldnt work in a single classroom for longer than a certain amont of time (5 weeks maybe?) But now they can be assigned a class and work indefinitely, as long as it’s part time.
Terri, I am quite familiar with Huntsville. My grandparents lived in Cedartown, GA near the Alabama border. My uncle and cousin lived in Carollton, AL. The Army’s ERP accounting system is based in a datacenter in Huntsville. And of course there is NASA. When I was in high school, an inordinate number of the winning math teams came from Huntsville. Nobody is claiming Huntsville doesn’t have a disproportionate number of intelligent citizens.
So let me ask you a question, Terri. Instead of providing a highly effective education in core classes, you are concerned about the number of AP courses offered. Should those disadvantaged students in Huntsville who score so poorly on the tests be offered courses at Harvard after they graduate? Are they no different than the sons and daughters of the engineers and scientists living in Huntsville? If they are the same, should the Supreme Court disregard the IQ tests of any of those same students if they are charged with murder and sentenced to capital punishment? You can’t have it both ways. You can’t claim that any students with an IQ below 70 shouldn’t be sentenced to capital punishment because of mental aptitude but then claim students with IQs in the 60-80’s range just need more AP courses to have an equal education. What they need is for highly effective teachers to instruct them on the basic K-12 curriculum. If they master that, then the AP courses are certainly appropriate.
He can’t find qualified STEM teachers because of the union resisting alternative certification efforts. Those teachers certainly didn’t like my friend’s sister not having a “certification paper” and they certainly didn’t like her pointing out the teachers fundamentally misunderstood science. Those are the facts. The sister didn’t have a “cert” but did have lots of students who showed remarkable growth on their STEM tests. But I’m sure that’s not important to you, is it. It’s much more important that she be a union member than actually know science or be able to teach effectively, right?
Maybe if the teachers didn’t harass her every time she went into the teachers’ lounge, she might have stuck around. Maybe, just maybe, if those teachers had been interested in being a highly effective teacher, they would have tried to learn science from an actual STEM graduate instead of protesting to the principal that she was refuting the nonsense they taught as “science”. Anybody that steps into a HS classroom can tell you that (aside from student aptitude and insufficient parenting), the biggest problem with our schools is a lack of competent STEM teachers. Even Diane claims that it would “cost too much” to put properly trained STEM graduates in those classes. But Diane also seems to oppose raising pay for just STEM teachers. In Diane’s view (correct me if I’m wrong Diane), every teacher needs to join a union and all teacher salaries (not just more competitive STEM teachers) need to be raised high enough to attract sufficient number of STEM teachers. Thus, all the other generic teachers just get $100K+ salaries as a “gift”.
Ain’t gonna happen. But we could recruit a ton of TFA and postdoc students to teach effectively for a few years before they pursue other endeavors. And who knows, maybe a few, like Gary Rubenstein, will stick around for the long run.
Diane, only in bizarro world do you get a response like this from Lloyd.
1. Alabama expanded options for teachers. They can now choose the traditional tenure track OR a new merit-based track.
2. For the ones that choose the merit-based track, teachers earn extra pay based on the growth, not absolute scores, of their students. If the teachers have high VAMs (MET and CFR showed these teachers inspire more effort and greater critical thinking in their students), they get rewarded with additional pay.
Only in union-land, does increasing teacher pay with an optional merit-based track result in a charge of “managed by psychopaths”.
Lloyd, if this model comes to your state, I suggest you DO NOT pick the merit-based route. It might not be pretty.
Virginia, how do you like Alabama’s option of teaching with only a high school degree?
virginiagp
Teaching is harder than being a U.S. Marine in a combat zone where you are shot at every day by snipers, mortars and rockets while being poisoned by your own country that’s spraying Agent Orange on everyone.
You seem to think I’m against merit pay because I was allegedly an unworthy teacher who achieved nothing to be proud of—just another one of the troops who wasn’t awarded a medal of honor even though most if not all of the troops in combat face death everyday.
You don’t know anything about my teaching years and if merit pay had existed, the facts favor that I would have been on the list to receive it, but I would have refused to accept that reward because my students scored higher on standardized—repeatedly year after year—than all the other English teachers in the district.
For the thirty years I was a public school teacher, I also taught one section of high school journalism for seven of those years in additoin to my other teaching duties.
http://www.mysplendidconcubine.com/teachingyears.htm
You allege that “If the teachers have high VAMs (MET and CFR showed these teachers inspire more effort and greater critical thinking in their students), they get rewarded with additional pay.”
Here’s my reply to merit pay based on VAM and all the other crap the psychos are forcing on public education. My reply isn’t original because it was used before during World War II by General Anthony McAuliffe during the battle for Bastogne, Belgium: He said, “Nuts!”
And if I had to go back to work, even at 70, I’d much rather return to the Marines and combat than go back in a classroom with people like you, who have been fooled by those same cherry picking, lying, greedy, power hungry psychos, who would then criticize me for working 60 to 100 hours a week as a teacher just because my VAM, based on a flawed test with an arbitrator cut mark that is kept opaque, said I didn’t measure up.
How DARE you slam teachers on this site, Virginia? You sir, have no shame, nor morals. Shut up.
Well, I guess this blue bird Vainglorious Supernova Gaijin Planet will soon find there’s no place to feather his nest in ‘Bama’s weather.
The only foreigners on the Earth are those who come from other planets orbiting other stars. Donald Trump and his family, for instance.
Tea Party Governor Pence of Indiana bragged that Indiana now has “the highest standards in the United States with its new iSTEP tests. iSTEP required more testing time than Common Core. The number of students passing both the English and math exams fell to 53.5 percent, from 74 percent in 2014.
Pence was against an accountability pause but had to reconsider his position.
Here is part of an article from The Times of NW Indiana.
INDIANAPOLIS — The dramatic drop in student performance on last year’s ISTEP standardized test, due in large part to the adoption of more rigorous state educational standards, will not negatively impact school A-F grades or teacher performance pay.
On Thursday, Republican Gov. Mike Pence signed into law House Enrolled Act 1003 and Senate Enrolled Act 200, which absolve schools and teachers from sanctions tied to poor results on Indiana’s high-stakes test for students in grades three to eight.
At the same time, the few schools and teachers with students who improved their test scores still will be eligible for a higher performance rating and additional pay.
“I sign these bills into law with a prayer, that through this action our teachers and those who lead our schools across the state of Indiana will hear a thank you from the people of Indiana,” Pence said.
The two new laws are the first measures to be enacted during the 2016 legislative session. They rocketed through the Republican-controlled General Assembly with barely any opposition and received final approval Thursday by the House and Senate.
“When we identify a problem and say we’re going to fix it, this is how it works,” said House Speaker Brian Bosma, R-Indianapolis…
… Glenda Ritz, the Democratic state superintendent of public instruction, … pushed for more than a year to pause accountability after Indiana replaced Common Core with academic standards required by law to be “the highest standards in the United States.”
I periodically like to point out that it was Mike Pence who, after visiting a market in Iraq in full body armor, protected by 200+ troops and several helicopters, declared that Iraqi market to be “as safe as any market in Indiana”. The next day over 75 people from that market were found dead. This is a guy who thinks he has any business commenting on education.
Dienne, thanks for a laugh. Mission Accomplished! for Mike Pence!
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And so it continues…
Cross posted the original piece on
http://www.opednews.com/Quicklink/CURMUDGUCATION-AL-RAISE-in-Best_Web_OpEds-Children_Education-Testing_Evaluation_Fraud-160130-374.html#comment581151
with a comment that refers back to this blog posts on Peg Robertson: How Reformers Gaslight Teachers in “Turnaround” Schools