Ron Schofield of NC Policy Watch thinks that the schools would thrive if legislators gave them their annual appropriations and then left them alone.
“It is becoming increasingly clear that the single, best thing that North Carolina lawmakers could do to aid public education in our state is this: nothing.
Seriously, lawmakers would do our young people, educators, public education officials, employers, and the state at-large an enormous service if they would simply pass one bill each year providing the funding that our schools really need and then get the heck out of the way and check back in five or ten years. No more “ABC’s” of this or that or “Excellent Schools Acts.” Nothing, nada, zip. Just give our professionals the money and the mandate and let them do their jobs.”
I bet teachers and principals feel the same. Unfortunately, the legislators can’t resist the urge to meddle. Maybe they heard something at dinner or on Fox News, and here’s a new law.
The latest comes from state Senator Tim Apodaca. He wants to bill schools for the cost of remedial courses that students take in college.
Schofield writes:
“You got that? The premise of the law — as with so many other conservative education proposals in recent years — is that North Carolina can wring better results out of its public schools through sheer force. Rather than addressing poverty, providing universal pre-K, lowering class sizes or investing the money that it would really take to hire the teachers and counselors and other professionals who could perform the miracle of preparing millions of kids for the insanely competitive 21st Century economy (half of whom come from families too poor to afford lunch), the Senate would propose to get better K-12 grads by threatening to take away more money from their schools.
“What a great idea! Maybe this can even set a precedent for other parts the education system. For instance, after this bill is passed, lawmakers can pass legislation that allows K-12 systems to bill pre-K programs (or parents) for the kids who show up needing “remediation. ” Another bill could force colleges and universities to pay for the young teachers who arrive in K-12 not fully prepared to teach.
“After that, who knows where such an innovative idea might lead? Maybe North Carolina could enact a law that forces prisons to pay for the cost of recidivism or perhaps one that cuts the environmental protection budget each time there’s a coal ash spill. How about a law that docks legislators’ pay for poor state job growth? Yeah, that’s the ticket!”
– See more at: http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2015/03/26/nc-senate-floats-yet-another-silly-and-simplistic-education-proposal/#sthash.dUS5XYw3.dpuf

Love it. Now your’e talking.
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Yep.
Legislating achievement is a bad idea. Because when does it end? When will it stop?
Philosophically, it’s just poorly thought out.
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How about if schools want to be left alone, we just stop sending them money altogether? Then there won’t be any more silly worries about democratic control to make sure that tax dollars actually accomplish anything.
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WT, funny that the legislators don’t have the same need to micromanage public hospitals, the police, the fire department, and the many other functions of government. Why don’t they create evaluation systems for fire fighters? Why don’t they pass laws about how to put out fires? That’s our taxpayer money subsidizing those guys, and mostly they just sit around the firehouse, cooking, watching TV, and having fun. We need laws!
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we need laws; but not laws about who should pass when by what.
Otherwise, why not have laws about how much people should weigh? And punish primary care physicians if people don’t stay within weight parameters. Or close the hospitals overweight people use.
It’s the same thing. We have weight standards for height (body mass—we know what’s good and what’s not)—-do people maintain it? Some. Should there be laws about it. . .no.
Education should have policies. Not laws. (Except for concrete things). what is the line between policy and law? I think lawmakers struggle with those boundaries.
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WT, I think that legislatures would do well to remember the admonition “do no harm.” Even more important, they should not pass laws about matters they do not understand. For example, why should they tell superintendents and principals how to evaluate teachers when the legislators have never done it and don’t know what they are mandating?
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Does that apply to your precious charters too? Since they refuse to be audited, can we please stop sending them money?
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Unfortunately in NC, though, this will just be fodder for political blaming. Democrats will grab hold of it to show how bad the Republicans are. But until I hear Democrats saying clearly that “Legislating Achievement is a Bad Idea,” I can only support them to a certain extent.
How sad was George W Bush’s comment of “well people complain about testing? Well, too bad” (smug smile)——–America’s schools—what does that mean? With different laws in each state about workers’ rights and so forth, do we really have anything called “America’s schools.” Should we? To what extent should they all be the same? Everyone got on board with the idea of legislating achievement in 2000 and now if you add that to the incentives given for investing in charters, I don’t see how we can get out of this mess until people shout from the rooftops or put into their platform “We cannot legislate achievement.” How hard could that be? Bush used to say “I don’t believe in nation-building” (of course we know he kind of didn’t hold to that), but until a politician states clearly: “we cannot legislate achievement,” I don’t see how we will turn a corner.
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So…counter-productive education policies would become legal liabilities?…this could have broader applications.
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What speaking of self-proclaimed “education reform”: Delusional accountability? Word salad? Cognitive dissonance? Oh my, it’s so not new…
From a 3-5-2001 piece in The Seattle Times, “Bush hints at compromise on standardized-test plan”:
[start quote]
Bowing to pressure from conservative Republicans as he pursues his education plan, President Bush now appears willing to make compromises on the linchpin of his program: the requirement that states adopt tough new standardized tests.
Throughout last year’s presidential campaign, Bush pressed to require states to impose standardized tests that would measure math and reading skills in grades three through eight.
While he never called for a single national test, Bush argued that statewide tests would allow the federal government to hold failing schools accountable.
But in an interview with reporters this week at the White House, Bush said he would not insist that uniform tests be implemented statewide – a concession that many reformers believe will limit his ability to improve schools.
The pressure to move away from mandatory standardized tests has come from conservative Republicans and advocates of “local control” who resist federal intrusion in education.
Key GOP members in Congress have signaled that they would balk at statewide testing, and Bush seems willing to deal.
“So long as there is a viable accountability system, where states are able to show progress and where states can show whether or not children are and if not, that there is a consequence – then that’s fine by me,” Bush said Tuesday.
Bush’s statement was a significant step short of his rhetoric last year, when he said uniform statewide tests were critical to allow comparisons among school districts and among states.
Reformers contend that the lack of such comparisons makes it much harder to take schools to task. “Without clear statewide standards, all you have is the shell of accountability, with very different results in different districts,” said John Jennings, director of the Center on National Education Policy. “In poor districts, much less is expected of kids, and differing tests won’t reflect that.”
National studies, Jennings said, “have shown that kids in the inner city who are being told they are A students would really be C or D students in the suburbs, because they are being held to lower standards.” Without uniformity statewide, he said, “you are just testing for the sake of testing.”
But Bush sharply disputed that argument, saying basic reading, writing and math tests are easy to correlate. “A reading comprehension test is a reading comprehension test. And a math test in the fourth grade – there’s not many ways you can foul up a test,” he said. “It’s pretty easy to `norm’ ” the results.
A number of states already employ different tests year to year, Bush pointed out. “In the state of Arizona, they’ve got one test one year and another test another year, and they’re able to correlate, and that’s fine,” he said. “The state of Iowa has the same thing. I have great faith in the governors of those states and the people of those states.”
Education analysts, however, say it is very difficult to correlate the results of different tests over several years, particularly if the tests also vary within a state.
“What Bush is talking about is getting kids to standards, so there has to be consistency across the state and across time,” said Amy Wilkins, an analyst at the Education Trust, an urban education think tank. “Without that, he can’t claim that he is applying the same standards equally.”
Yet another element that Bush advocated during the campaign – and that he now seems willing to negotiate – is the national benchmark test, which would help ensure that some states do not write easy tests to avoid losing federal education funds.
Bush proposed last year that states require a representative sampling of students to take the National Assessment of Education Progress exam annually.
But conservatives have attacked that idea, too, and Tuesday Bush stopped short of saying he would insist states take part in the national exam.
“We believe they should, and are willing to help states by paying for it,” he said.
Ultimately, Bush’s plan calls for $1,500 vouchers that would allow parents of children in chronically failing schools – as determined by the new tests – to move to private or parochial schools. This, Bush argues, would prod the worst-performing schools to improve. “There must be a consequence,” he has said repeatedly.
Vouchers, vociferously opposed by teachers’ unions, are considered by many political analysts the least likely of Bush’s education proposals to win congressional approval.
But Tucker Eskew, director of White House media affairs, said Bush believes they are important as a last resort.
“If there’s a time for negotiating (with Congress), there’s a time for it,” Eskew said. “But the president is sticking by his proposal.”
[end quote]
Link: http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20010315&slug=bush15
The more things change, they more they stay the same.
While you can find current talking points easily in the above, just look at one paragraph again:
[start excerpt]
But Bush sharply disputed that argument, saying basic reading, writing and math tests are easy to correlate. “A reading comprehension test is a reading comprehension test. And a math test in the fourth grade – there’s not many ways you can foul up a test,” he said. “It’s pretty easy to `norm’ ” the results.
[end excerpt]
In other words, the “Education President” leading the NCLB [aka charterite/voucherite/privatizer] charge didn’t and doesn’t have a clue what standardized testing is all about—how it’s designed, what it’s limitations and strengths are, or how easily the scores generated by them can be used and misused to label, sort, rank, punish and thus destroy genuine teaching and learning.
There’s not many ways you can foul up a test—said in 2001. From years and years later, google “pineapple” and “hare” and “Daniel Pinkwater.”
The self-styled “education reform” movement. The wit and wisdom of their thought leaders.
Only one problem: the phrase “thought leaders” has one word too many in it.
“Thought.”
I rest my case.
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this was all about posturing. Bush and education was about posturing (look how tough I can be. . .etc). He “made an example” of our schools.
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and now we are the whipping boy at every corner
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From an anecdote I’ve read, he didn’t understand the difference between the Shias and the Sunnis before the Iraq invasion either.
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That wasn’t an anecdote, it was reality.
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So how does a university accept students who need remediation anyway?
What if they said, sorry you are not accepted until you can read or write at the college entrance level?
Remediation is the required cost of social promotion.
Who decided they needed remediation anyway? Did they take a test developed by PEARSON?
Maybe PEARSON could develop a series of tests that would eliminate the need for remediation.
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Maybe Pearson could develop a test that eliminated the need for post secondary education.
Better yet one that gave all newborns a grade and a guaranteed position in life.
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I completely agree that leaving schools and teachers alone would improve schools. Legislature should give schools funding, but then let the professionals (teachers and principals) decide how to best teach children. The laws that have been passed recently seem to hurt rather than help schools and students. If they can’t get it right, they shouldn’t be involved.
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What I don’t get is these laws come from Republicans from whom many have a liberterian/tea party ideology of less government intrusion. I guess that ideology is only applicable for topics that benefit them.
Think…Thom Tillis first and foremost.
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I love it!!! Yes, speaking as an educator (teacher and then principal), that would be wonderful — one of the most difficult things in running an excellent school is all the time and energy it takes to figure out how to get around all the rules and red tape to do what you know is good for kids.
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Don’t worry, government loves to interfere with any organization they can. And if they can get some money back, even better.
We knew someone who went to prison for a short period of time. They were given one so-called serving of food at meals, but if they wanted seconds or something different (more edible) they had to pay. We put some money in their account so at least they could eat. Even so, they come out twenty pounds lighter (after only a few months).
Ellen #NotKidding
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I live and teach in Apodaca’s district. This year, for the first time ever, all thirteen of the school district’s elementary schools qualify for Title 1, and 54 percent of students k-12 qualify for free/reduced lunch. His proposal is ludicrous, but in NC’s anti-public school environment it just might happen. Apodaca’s wife is a former public school teacher, so I am continually dismayed by his anti-education stance. (I believe she taught at the wealthiest elementary school; the last to become Title 1). Article about the district’s poverty rates: http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/20140601/ARTICLES/140539967/0/search
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