Peter Greene, who apparently reads everything, has been following a Twitter thread where various people are making fun of the Opt Out movement. One of them, Mike Thomas, works for Jeb Bush’s Foundation for Educational Excellence (since Jeb is running for President, his place has been taken by Condaleeza Rice). The basic line of argument is that there are things we have to do in life that aren’t fun, and you just have to suck it up and do those unpleasant things. Peter explains to Thomas why he is wrong.
What is on his list of things you have to do whether you want to or not?
The list includes colonoscopies, teeth cleanings, lice checks, braces, lockdown drills, and watching romantic comedies with your wife, and it’s a swell list. It’s just that the list has nothing to do with the Big Standardized Test.
The items on the list only occur when there is a particular reason for them. You get a colonoscopy when your doctor, a trained medical professional, says it’s time. You get braces when a trained professional says they’re needed. You go see a movie with your wife when she asks you to (though if that’s a chore for you, you have other problems). And like all the other items on the wacky list, these are annoyances you endure because you know there is some good reason to endure them.
The “well, you just have to suck it up and do some unpleasant but necessary things in life” argument assumes the sale. It focuses on the “unpleasant” rap on testing so that it can pretend that the “necessary” part is not in doubt. But of course it’s the notion that the Big Standardized Test is necessary that is at the heart of the opt-out movement…..
Writers like Thomas have been reduced to justifications like this:
“And that’s why I’m an opt-in on testing. I want to know how well my kid is doing in algebra. I want to know how smart she is compared to all the other kids in the state. The same goes for reading, writing and science…This information will let me know if she is on track for being first in line when the University of Florida opens its doors to incoming freshman.”
Is Thomas suggesting that all students everywhere should be tested so that he can brag about his own daughter? Or is he suggesting that his daughter’s teachers keep all her grades, school work and achievements a secret from him? And does he really mean to suggest that he’s an opt-in, because if that’s what he wants, I’m sure we can find support for a system where people can opt-in to testing if they wish, but would otherwise be in a no-testing default.
That system would have great support, but it’s not what Thomas and FEE and other reformsters and testing corporations want– they want a system in which all students are compelled to test, not one where they have a choice (though oddly enough, they are huge fans of choice when it comes to charter schools).
Here’s the other thing about colonoscopies and braces– the government doesn’t compel you to have them, whether your professional expert thinks you need one or not. You opt-in, voluntarily, weighing the advice of trained experts and the advantages of the procedure. You don’t need to come up with a justification for not having a root canal today– you only have one if someone (or your tooth) presents a reason to opt in.
It is funny. I have four grandsons. I want to know how they are doing, and I learn about it from their teacher reports. I don’t care how they compare to children their age in the rest of the state or the nation. When my sons were young, that question never occurred to me. That’s the lamest possible reason for spending hundreds of millions on standardized tests. I suppose we should let Mike Thomas’s daughter take the test, as well as those who want to, and let others choose not to.

The primary thing bouncing around in my head as I read those quotes from Thomas, and you echoed it, was: If I want to know how well my children are doing in their classes, why would I look to my state capitol to find out? I ask their teachers, they know because they’re the teachers. Very often I hear my kids are doing fantastic according to their teachers -but- they’re not doing so well according to the state’s assessments.
Who do I believe? A trained professional teacher? Or a government mandated test? That’s a no brainer to me…which is a weird thing to say in a story about education.
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I saw a similar blog post last week about wanting to opt out of other things in life and the author’s need to compare her child to others. I really wanted to respond but didn’t. Instead I thought if these are the current pro-standardized testing arguments, they are so ridiculous that I feel like the tide really is turning in our favor.
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I think they have trouble switching gears from “choice!” to the “common good”.
I myself have noticed that the “common good” in ed reform is only raised in the negative- an unpleasant task or duty. The “public good” never seems to involve some actual benefit to public schools. It’s always stern scolding and sanctions.
I “get” that there’s a common interest in public schools but I keep waiting to get to the “good” part of ed reform re: public schools and it’s been 15 years we’ve been indulging this “movement”. Maybe next year those promised benefits to public schools will start rolling in.
It’s kind of like NCLB. Remember when DC forgot the “support” part and we ended up with 100% downside?
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Peter has this one pitch perfect.
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Opt-outers aren’t being mocked at the state level in Ohio. Our politicians are making what looks like a good faith effort to address concerns.
They actually invited public school teachers and public school superintendents to sit on the panel, which is itself a welcome change in approach. Judging by the panel, it will be a real debate.
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/03/should_ohio_cut_testing_time_or_keep_parcc_new_panel_will_review_states_key_testing_issues.html
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I’m somewhat confused by the mocking. Didn’t the US Senate just invite witnesses in on this, and present that to the public as a sincere attempt to wrestle with what they portrayed as something they are taking seriously?
Why bother with that if the DC consensus is it’s not a problem, and instead just whiny complaints from “coddlers” and “moms” and other discredited persons?
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Hespe has blamed the teachers union for fueling the opt out and being able to spend monies to advertise the opt out, monies that he and the Newark Public Schools don’t have to get the word out on the wonderfulness that is the common core. Later, he also blamed the federal government for tying funding to the tests. But lets be clear, the evil union once again has a bottemless well of monies to spend – not Gates, not Walmart, not Broad, not all the wingnut groups with deep pockets and endless connections to billionaires who want to raid the taxpayer coffers.
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In NYS what are the consequences to a school district if too many parents opt out. It is a question I hear repeatedly and get mixed answers…as a school board member I am at a loss how to answer.
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Good info here about NY Judith
Click to access cts-faq-2015-draft4.pdf
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Isn’t it funny that when I was a child, before there were any real standardized tests, my parents knew I was having trouble learning how to read in school. How? I did poorly on classroom tests and the teacher discussed the issue with my parents. My own kids went to elementary school when there was only one standardized reading and math test given every year. Yet I knew that one was significantly above average and the other was having difficulty. How? The teacher told me based on the classroom tests that were given. Now the reformers would say that a teacher could not be as accurate as their magic tests. If that is the case, how was my issues effectively addressed aad how was my younger son’s issue addressed so that he was eventually able to do well and graduate from college Summa Cum Laude. Oh yes, only in a totalitarian state would a government force you to have a colonoscopy, teeth cleaning, root canal, lice check, braces, and having to watch a certain type of movie. I am afraid of heights, but as of yet the government has not forced me to suck it up and go on that rollercoaster.
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I agree with your post 100%. Teachers are slowly given less and less responsibility in their classrooms. The computers do it all now: teach the lesson, correct the lesson, and record the lesson. At my kid’s school teachers are now requesting to be called coaches or facilitators. I think many of these “coaches” actually enjoy their new freedom from the responsibility of teaching, grading, and assessing. According to my son, many of his teachers spend lots of time on their smartphones. Maybe that’s why teachers are not speaking out on these educational reforms…they like the new job descriptions.
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I agree with all sentiments above. We know the problem: They don’t want or trust human judgment. Why listen to a teacher when there must be some computer algorithm that generates absolutes that can’t be debated (because a computer won’t exchange in debate).
We have administrators that would like a computer program that would simply rate the teachers and take the judgment call out of it. That way they are absolved of any responsibility. “It wasn’t my decision, it was the computer program that analyzed the data.”
If anything, these ideas reflect a lack of faith in human decision making.
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Sounds like pretty soon we could have computers rate computers.
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Another tool I found very effective was observing students when they worked in a group. A teacher can gather information on a child by recording where the child has problems or how the child tackles a problem. Once the difficulty is observed, the teacher can then decide how to best serve the student. Sometimes a very effective assessment can be informal.
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“Opt out of the Options”
If option to opt out
Is not among the options
Then opting out, no doubt
Is really worth adoption
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Deformers are deathly frightened by the opt out movement because they know it has the potential to destroy all their devious plans in one fell swoop.
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YEP!
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This sort of stuff from “movement” ed reformers doesn’t inspire confidence in how they’ll use the CC tests:
“George P. Bush, the first-year Texas land commissioner, maintains that most students are stuck in bad schools.
Bush, addressing a “school choice” rally outside the Texas Capitol Jan. 30, 2015, said: “I believe that most teachers are doing the very best in very difficult situations when a majority of our students are trapped in schools that are underperforming. Some schools don’t work and refuse to change — and that’s why we need school choice and that’s why we need it now.”
He based this charge on the NCLB standard. He’s using test scores politically to push privatization of public schools (and promote his own career).
Maybe instead of jeering at parents on Twitter they should call out some of the members of their own “movement”. I don’t trust them with how they’ll use test scores because they’re not trustworthy. There’s a history here.
I fully expect a “public schools suck!” political campaign from ed reformers in this state when the CC test scores come out.. How about they stop using our kids’ test scores to promote their ideological agenda?
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2015/mar/12/george-p-bush/george-p-bush-says-majority-our-students-trapped-u/
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“George P. Bush”
Goddamnit, not another one of that clan involved in politics. The US is a worse place because of that sept.
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In so many schools today, parents have the best information ever regarding the progress of their kids – from online gradebook programs to the wealth of special education services to the simplicity of parent/teacher contact via email! If parents don’t know how their kids are doing, it’s because they don’t care, & standardized test results aren’t going to make those parents any more involved… PARCC is not necessary!
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My favorite line is one that doesn’t directly have anything to do with education, but in a way, is all about education: “You go see a movie with your wife when she asks you to (though if that’s a chore for you, you have other problems).” I think it says a lot about Mike Thomas (and probably many of the other rephormsters) that he considers doing something for his wife a necessary evil. I think what makes Peter such a good writer (and presumably a good teacher and a good husband to boot) is that he understands the importance of relationships, and in fact he even seems to find joy in relationships. Going to a movie you don’t particularly want to see isn’t about the movie, it’s about making someone you care about happy. I think good teachers approach their classrooms in similar ways – it’s not about the numbers, the grades, the standards, the tests, etc., it’s about caring about the kids and wanting what’s best for them. And doing so isn’t a chore, it’s what makes you happy too.
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It’s fun to watch the gap between national ed reform pundits and lobbyists and the reality in states grow larger. Here’s Michigan:
“But Snyder has had four years to show us what he can do with low-performing schools, and the results are less than impressive. More leeway hasn’t been earned — and it shouldn’t be taken”
The long, long, LONG honeymoon is over. They’re finally starting to ask how ed reform made PUBLIC schools “better”. It took 15 years, but better late than never 🙂
http://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/stephen-henderson/2015/03/12/governor-bad-schools/70225278/
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It’s your civic duty to attend public schools. Opting out into private and charters is the morally bankrupt choice.
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The ideal being, public schools are good quality and consistent quality everywhere for everyone.
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I only wanted to know one thing when my kids were in school – were they on level, below level, or above level. If they were below level, what did I need to do to help the teacher in getting them up to their grade level?
Now, it is impossible to know exactly where a grade level is – since the bar keeps moving ever higher. I don’t care about the tests, I care about my grand daughter’s attitude towards school and whether the school provides an environment where she can (and wants to) learn. Since the government keeps interfering with the fundamentals of education, I’m afraid this bright, artistic child is doomed.
Even worse, my grandson, who is about a year behind in development, starts kindergarten in September. He can count and recognizes his letters, but is nowhere near ready to read or do word problems. I shudder to think what will happen to him once he walks through those school doors. Poor little boy!
All justified because some idiot wants to make sure his daughter gets into an elite college? This is the sound of me wretching.
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Is your grandson behind socially or emotionally? Gross motor skills? Fine motor? When I went off to kindergarten over fifty years ago, they expected us to come tabla rasa. They didn’t want parents to even teach us our letters. A boy named Peter taught me how to write my name. He almost got it right. Obviously, I wasn’t even close. I vaguely remember sitting on the living room rug with the alphabet flash cards practicing the letter names once I entered school. I was in the lowest “bird” reading group when I started first grade. I don’t remember what I knew about numbers, but I suspect that your grandson knows more than I did. Do your best to help him find things he loves to do and loves to learn about. Someone should be reading to him every day. This is obviously stuff you already know, but until the current climate changes, we are all going to have to redouble our efforts to protect these little guys. Oh, I hope you have at least a box full of art supplies to keep your little artist happy. I used to raid the waste paper basket for envelopes to tear open and use for my art work.
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2old2teach – I’m the one that recognized that he was behind in his “benchmarks” in speech, fine and gross motor development, socialization, and those pre-readiness skills. It wasn’t anything my daughter did or didn’t do, he just wasn’t ready. I tried working with him when he was younger – but he wasn’t interested. He, however, is fascinated by cars and other vehicles. He is finally able to sit quietly and listen to a story (at the age of four and a half). Luckily, there is no evident learning disabilities and he has responded well to speech services and will start OT soon. I bought him an easel with magnetic letters and a chalk board for Christmas and he’s been working on those fine motor skills with his mom.
Both you and I took our time developing (I didn’t start reading until I was 6+) and, look, we both graduated from college and had careers.
My grandson will do fine – if the government gives him the time and space to grow within the normal parameters of a young boy (I.e. Not every child can read and write at the age of 4 or 5).
Thanks for asking. My daughter is agonizing over whether she should wait another year and let him start kindergarten at six. Isn’t that sad.
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What a shame that she has to struggle with whether to send him to kindergarten where he SHOULD have the opportunity to do all the things you are doing and do it with other children. Is Richard Scarry still around? My oldest used to want to read his books together over and over. He knew all the various trucks and loved to hear about all the things people were doing. I know he was younger when we started reading them, but they lasted as a favorite for a long time. My oldest definitely was my truck child. He started kindergarten as an old five, and he was lucky enough to attend a play centered program. Hang in there, Grandma!
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Thank you (not)2old – Mason’s birthday is on Labor Day so he is a young five. I’m seeing him tonight and will see if there are any Richard Scary around – one of my favorites, too. (Did you play Busy Town with your kids on the computer?) Gotta love that Lowly Worm!
Ellen
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Computers were not part of their early years, thank goodness. They actually got the chance to grow up without an umbilical cord attached to various electronic communication devices.
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Everything in moderation.
I would sit down at the computer with my preschoolers and “play” the games on the computer, such as Chicka Chicja Boom Boom and Busy Town. Point, click, drag to the correct location. It was a bonding time and hopefully they learned something as well.
It’s unfortunate that the good things about technology have been overshadowed by the current systematic abuse.
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When my oldest children were little, there were no computers in homes. Our first was a very basic TI . My youngest two were introduced to simple programs on the most basic of Apple computers in elementary school. The older two had a little more trouble adapting since they were not exposed to them when they began school. They are all far more comfortable with technology now than I will ever be. I have no use for most of it. I used all that I needed to when I was teaching, but the students had far more access than the teachers through their tech classes. In my last years teaching, my district was poor and had limited resources. In my daily life now, I do not want to have an appliance attached to my ear. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to have to contact me in seconds or minutes and usually not hours. My basic model phone is off except for emergency calls from my end. When I am out, I am out! I love my computer, but email serves me just fine. I get an urge every once in awhile to check out Facebook, but so far I have resisted and I know how to search the internet. I don’t tweet. I Skype because I like feeling connected to my kids visually. It adds to the phone experience and the little ones begin to recognize grandma even though they may see me in the flesh once a year. If I have use for a particular tool, I learn it. Computers are great (and addictive), but so is digging in the garden, riding a bike, going for a walk, visiting a park, reading a book, playing a board game,… I spend too much time on the computer as it is!
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Not too old, It sounds like a perfectly balanced plan that works for you.
Ellen
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“This information will let me know if she is on track for being first in line when the University of Florida opens its doors to incoming freshman.”
…and she better be…or she’s grounded for 4 years.
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“…and she better be…or she’s grounded for 4 years.”
. . . or she’ll probably end up knocked up for not being first in line.
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When someone’s belief is that they should be subsidized by tax dollars to the tune of $12,000 to $20,000 plus a year (which is what New York City spends), yet their precious little darlings shouldn’t have to take a math test, well boo-hoo — have the courage of your convictions and send your kids to private school.
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Obviously you did not get the point. These tests are not quality tests. Teachers gain information about their students while working with them, parents can easily know by attending to their child. and NAEP already compares at the level that is relevant.
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“a” math test?
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Yes WT, that’s what it’s all about. We all should have the extra $40,000 – $50,000 (which is what a private school costs in NYC) a year so our children won’t have their educations ruined by this egregious testing regime that is robbing them of a rich curriculum of science, art, music, and drama. A much better idea than fighting for what is right.
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A charter supporter whining about others wanting to be subsidized? Wow, that takes the cake!
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Standardized testing has its place, like the SAT and ACT. Recognizing that they are not the end all be all, they are a good national yardstick. So make all 11th graders take the SAT or ACT. If they need a measure for grades 5,7, and 9, I could see having everyone take a 2 hour test. Beyond that, too much testing.
And of course, the test questions can’t be gibberish, which is a separate issue of hypercomplexity combined with low quality leading to a system failure producing inconsistent and nonreproducible results.
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Even the SAT and the ACT have become suspect. A number of colleges are now “test optional” in admission criteria. Last year, when my oldest was applying to college, a number of admission reps stated that the best predictor of a student’s success in college is their performance in high school. Besides, now that Coleman is running the show at the College Board, who knows what will happen to the SAT and the ACT.
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Several students have told me this week that during their ELA portion of PARCC, they wrote jibberish or “PARCC” over and over for their essay portion. We are in Maryland. Opting Out is great. It does make a statement. However many are not able to stand the pressure exerted by administration. Due to the fact that many know that the tests have no direct repercussions for students, many are giving minimal effort. That is why I am still calling for a nationwide effort amongst all middle and high school students to simply BUBBLE A for all multiple choice questions. Pure disobedience with a twist of youthful solidarity against the totalitarian nature of the standardized tests. There is still time since we have another giant round of tests coming. Crank it up on Twitter.
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OY!! Swacker, do we need you to do your Wilson rant once again to remind us all that the CCRAP–like its predecessors–is in NO way “standardized”–NOT valid, NOT reliable. And not only that, it does not–as so wrongly asserted by The Chicago Tribune–give teachers “actionable information” of such a nature as to build good lesson plans. What rubbish! (Along w/a stupid, insulting cartoon that compared parents opting out to parents not vaccinating their children.) The ONLY reasons that our children are being so abused is: 1. the purposeful destruction of public education, resultant in privatization & BLING for the 1%; 2. non-teaching “other people’s children,” making them Walmart & Koch-employee-ready (remember, too, that Pear$on just bought the co. that published the G.E.D. & it is now much harder {oh, but, of course, it is more “rigorous!” & the result is that the passing rate has decreased dramatically})–so who’s going to be able to go to those “free” community colleges?! &–3. KA-CHING for Pear$on & for Gates & for everyone else involved w/that $$$$ game.
Aside from all that, we all know that the CCRAP tells us NOTHING, & it doesn’t even tell us that nothing until–the next school year! So, exactly, WHAT “actionable” information do teachers receive to better inform their lesson planning? And, Brian, way up there at 8:47 AM–state assessments say they kids are not doing well (even though they ARE, in fact, doing well in their classes)–they’re probably NOT doing well on these faulty, non-vetted, no-quality-control-tests–if you’ve taken even a sample, you know (& have read in this blog) that the tests are NOT written at grade level–well above, that the tests are confusing &–as in past Pear$on te$t$–often have no one correct answer, PLUS you are asking kids to perform all kinds of hand-eye-coordination-transference skills, so often their skill in those areas is what’s being tested–NOT math & reading. BUT–let’s not continue to agonize–let’s continue to organize. Yes, here in ILL-Annoy (as elsewhere) legislators are taking notice–& writing/sponsoring/passing bills out of committee. When we keep working, these bills will become law. That being said, it is still not enough. The attention must be drawn to the head, & that head must be compromised. In Manhattan, hold another march on Pear$on, especially drawing attention to the MILLIONS of $$$ of taxpayer money that is, has been & will continue to be WASTED, money that is, absolutely, being stolen by Pear$on–$tolen from our public education fund$–money that could be spent on school nurses, social workers, libraries & librarians, arts & P.E. programs. When I tell this to people (of whatever political persuasion–I was at a conservative social event Sat., & when I told people about the $34 MILLION that was set aside for testing in ILL-Annoy for 2014-15, they couldn’t believe it–they were furious! (Not to mention a 4-year, $160 million contract!) It is time to protest at the ILL-Annoy suburban Pear$on campu$. People–if you have a Pear$on near you–start the next phase. We can go beyond opting out—we can GET them out, & stop this nonsense once & for all.
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Oh–& forgot to mention–that Bob Braun post on Pear$on’$ $pying on $tudent$ (mere $$$ to them) is very important–again, they don’t want ANYONE “talking” about their preciou$ te$ts–would likely lead to another “Pineapple Event!” Good! “And the children shall lead the way…”
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