Thank goodness at least one prominent journalist in the mainstream media sends her child to public school!
At Rebecca Mead’s public school, two-thirds of the children opted out of the state tests aligned to Common Core.
So Mead understands the frustration of the comedian Louis C.K., whose tweets about the Common Core tests went viral.
Louis C.K. had more than 3 million Twitter followers so when he spoke out, his voice was unheard, unlike the voices of countless other parents.
The advocates of the Common Core insist that the problems that parents object to are not part of the Common Core but caused by faulty implementation.
(That is the same refrain we always hear about great ideas that fail: faulty implementation.)
Mead notes:
Plenty of parents and educators agree with him. After last month’s state tests for English language arts, teachers citywide protested, calling the problems tricky and developmentally inappropriate—as well as questioning the need for three long, consecutive days of testing, no matter the quality of the test materials. Elizabeth Phillips, the principal of P.S. 321, a highly regarded public school in Park Slope, called on members of the State Board of Regents to take the exams themselves: “Afterward, I would like to hear whether they still believed that these tests gave schools and parents valuable information about a child’s reading or writing ability,” she wrote.
This happens to be my most fervent wish: that all legislators and policymakers would take the tests they mandate and publish their scores.
Mead writes:
It seems likely that if more parents with the wealth and public profile of Louis C.K. showed their support for public education not by funding charter-school initiatives, as many of the city’s plutocrats have chosen to do, but by actually enrolling their children in public schools, there would long ago have been a louder outcry against the mind-numbing math sheets and assignments that sap the joy from learning. The majority of children in the school system sit in classrooms with far fewer resources than those enjoyed by C.K.’s children, or by mine. The concentration on testing is only another way in which students are short-changed. Educators have been arguing since last spring that the tests are flawed, and that the achievement gap in New York is widening rather than lessening: in 2013, there was a nineteen-per-cent gap between the scores of white and black third graders in the E.L.A. exams, and a fourteen-per-cent gap in math. “Students who already believe they are not as academically successful as their more affluent peers, will further internalize defeat,” Carol Burris, a principal from Rockville Centre, wrote in the Washington Post last summer, calling on policymakers to “re-examine their belief that college readiness is achieved by attaining a score on a test, and its corollary—that is possible to create college readiness score thresholds for eight year olds.” This week, teachers at International High School at Prospect Heights, which serves a population of recently arrived immigrants from non-English-speaking countries, announced that they would not administer an assessment required by the city. A pre-test in the fall “was a traumatic and demoralizing experience for students,” a statement issued by the teachers said. “Many students, after asking for help that teachers were not allowed to give, simply put their heads down for the duration. Some students even cried.” When a comedian points out the way in which the current priorities don’t add up, it earns even the attention of those who haven’t thought much about school since they graduated. But the brutal math of the New York City school system is no laughing matter.

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Thank goodness for choice!
Rebecca Mead’s zoned school has significant challenges and she determined it wasn’t right for her family. She was able to send her child to the unzoned Brooklyn New School, which has the exact same unaudited lottery process as a charter school.
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Well, I certainly hope the Brooklyn New School’s demographics are representative with those of the district in which it sits!
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Unlike a charter school, however, BNS takes new students even in 5th grade. It takes a boatload of new kids every October when the DOE suddenly announces that the budget is less than what it had promised. It has a significant number of students with IEPs. It has empowered teachers. In all these ways and many more, it is very different from a charter school. Also, do you know Rebecca Mead’s backstory for why she chose BNS? We entered the BNS lottery despite the fact that our zoned school is considered very good. What it lacks is racial diversity and progressive pedagogy. Perhaps it was the same for Mead.
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The point is that charter critics often charge that the lottery process leads to “creaming” and leaves the school with a student population that’s dissimilar to the district in which it is located. Some critics go a step further and speculate that because the lotteries are unaudited, they aren’t really lotteries at all. BNS uses the exact same admissions process and indeed, it is significantly whiter and wealthier and has far fewer ELLs than the District 15 average.
I don’t know the Mead BNS backstory. In other New Yorker blog posts, she has written that she lives on a street that ends at Fort Greene Park, which means her zoned school is either PS 20 or two nearly 100% FRPL-eligible “apartheid” schools, one of which is the K-5 that has in its zone the notorious homeless shelter where Dasani used to live. Maybe Mead should write a blog post describing her decision, especially since she has aligned herself with activists who would prefer to see school choice curtailed or even eliminated entirely.
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“This happens to be my most fervent wish: that all legislators and policymakers would take the tests they mandate and publish their scores.”
This is such a great and powerful idea. Politicians who support testing should be hounded to take the tests during each election cycle.
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Bravo. Your suggestion is the best idea. Please, all “Deformed!” or “Reformed”Educators, lawyers, and all local authorities should listen to all concerned citizens. From a concerned Canadian. Back2basic
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Louis C.K. @louisck Apr 28
But it’s changed in recent years. It’s all about these tests. It feels like a dark time. And nothing is going in anymore.
If you’ve had kids of varying ages in the same public schools over the last decade, you know this is true. Whatever the aspirational goals of the “accountability movement” were on a national level, this is the result. Not aspirational or “best case” or theoretical results. Results observed over time in an actual public school.
A decade ago I wasn’t opposed to standardized testing. I like numbers, it’s easy for parents to look at a score, and I recognize it’s a snapshot of a particular kid at a particular time. It’s one piece of information.
I think it’s illogical to say that testing is not the focus when everything is tied to test scores; teacher evals, school “grades”, whether a 3rd grader goes on to 4th grade in my state, and on and on and on. For state and federal lawmakers and policy-setters to just walk away from the reality and say “that’s not the aspirational goal” or “we never intended for testing to consume public schools” or “parents and teachers are just dodging accountability”, well, that’s not a response. It’s a dodge.
Show that test scores aren’t the be-all and end-all. Stop tying everything to testing, and the importance of a test score will recede and we’ll get our schools back.
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As one of the “countless other parents” out there, I would point out that I was angry and annoyed by standardized test prep and bad curriculum (at least what I felt was bad curriculum) before the Common Core. I don’t remember the test prep or the curriculum being any *better* back then. I also don’t remember the tests or the test prep being any less stressful for my daughter back then. It’s possible that there was less of an overall sense of stress pervading the school back then, but I think that’s because the tests weren’t being used as an input in teacher evaluations.
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The punitive, test-based reform movement started in 2001/2002 with the advent of NCLB legislation. Instead of individual teachers, NCLB punished Title 1 schools for failing to meet AYP. The most vulnerable schools were those with numerous “sub-groups” as improvement in each was required despite the fact that different year classes were being compared. Sample size (12 minimum) of sub groups compounded the reliability of the score comparisons.
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It’s been my observation, but that of course is just one school. I don’t think Louis CK or any other other parent is required to explore the whole history of the accountability movement across the United States to comment on his daughter’s public school.
He’s not writing a book or attending ed reform events or advising state and federal lawmakers. He’s got as much validity sounding off about his kid’s school as any other parent. Of course it’s anecdotal. It’s one kid. His experience in public schools will always be in terms of his daughter because he doesn’t work there and he isn’t a lawmaker or policy expert.
If they limit all discussion of the practical effect of these policies to city state or national, parents would never be able to weigh in.
When people had cancelled health insurance policies as a result of the health care law, no one said “well, your experience is singular and personal, so therefore worthy only of dismissal”. They said “what’s wrong with the health care law that these people are getting hurt?” People experience the health care law individually and personally. In fact, they CAN’T experience it any other way. That’s the only way they encounter it.
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Since it’s parent appreciation week, I’d like to speak from the heart.
I’m just some guy with kids. I send them to public school.
I’m not brilliant but I’m not totally stupid. I have three advanced degrees, so whoopee for me. But I don’t know shinola about the fine points of curriculum or balanced literacy or the math wars. It wouldn’t do me any good if I did, because I don’t get to decide what my kids learn in school. I don’t write the curriculum. Neither do my kids’ teachers. The curriculum is written by people in lab coats, far away. It gets dropped from the sky by Central Administration or the State of New York. It gets taught and the kids get tested to make sure it got taught.
Thud.
Hey, it’s a new curriculum.
I can look it over and say “this part here is stupid” and “what the hell is a number sentence,” but it doesn’t really matter. If I don’t like it, I can lump it. The kids, they definitely can lump it. They go to school and get taught the new curriculum and get tested to make sure it got taught.
Thud.
Hey, it’s a new curriculum. No, it’s not a curriculum, it’s a bunch of standards. What’s the difference. I don’t know. Me neither. Hey, why’s everybody freaking out. What’s a Common Core. We should get rid of it.
Etc.
What bothers me isn’t what’s in the Common Core standards or curriculum, or who wrote them, or whether they’re good or terrible. What bothers me is the thuds. Please stop dropping new crap out of the sky on me. I’ll agree to any terms you want. I’ll sign a statement. I’ll denounce the Common Core, I’ll pledge allegiance to the Common Core, just no more thuds, I can’t take another one.
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The governor of Minnesota is also an accountability-dodger who doesn’t understand testing, as of this speech:
http://mn.gov/governor/newsroom/pressreleasedetail.jsp?id=102-128360&utm_content=buffer3ed8b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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Parents and taxpayers: Demand that all state legislators in all 50 states take the CC or state assessments (all grades/all subjects) and publish their scores for accountability purposes. Demand that all for-profit testing contracts are published on all state departments of education websites since tax funds were funneled to Pearson, PARCC, Smarter Balanced, Achieve, and others for the purpose of monetizing children and teachers.
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Excellent idea.
I’d sign a petition for this, LLC1923. If we signed and included the state we vote in, we could forward the petition to our state legislators.
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Every state should have put in a provision where they weren’t going forward until the Common Core was funded.
Not just the Common Core tests, either, which I’m sure will be Job One. All of it. Dedicated and sufficient funding for all of it.
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Common Core supporters are foolish to claim that the problem lies not in the standards themselves, but in the implementation. If you want to see a great example of atrocious writing, check out the language arts “standards.”
http://www.corestandards.org/ELA-Literacy/
Frankly, non-writers, i.e. the people who crafted this garbage, have no business telling language arts teachers what to do.
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Maybe we could run this the other way and define which people may bring a valid complaint about ed reform. That might be easier.
Teachers who complain are out, because they’re either self-interested and/or union members. Many parents in NY are out because they are white suburban moms. The entire Tea Party is out because they are conspiracy theorists. Public school advocates are out because they either love low standards or are stodgy members of the status quo.
I don’t remember these rules being in place in any other policy debate. All kinds of people were “stakeholders” in health care reform, including physicians and insurance companies and individuals and employers and the uninsured, and, actually, the insured. All of those concerns were considered valid, although lots of those people had only an individual, personal interaction with the health care law, and lots of people in that industry were (obviously) self-interested. In fact, when people who were insured lost coverage, government scrambled to fix the law. Why is this different?
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No Common Core criticism allowed! Apparently public school parents are “stakeholders” only as long as they agree with ed reformers.
Remember when insured people, employers, the insurance industry and physicians were ignored in health care reform and told they were either clueless, self-interested or “had nothing to lose”? Yeah, me neither.
http://www.newsweek.com/sorry-louis-ck-youre-wrong-about-common-core-249313
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It’s true, this is deeply saddening to me: “The saddest thing about all this is that C.K.’s children will be fine, as will mine and, probably, yours.”
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I don’t think it’s responsive to his complaint though. His complaint is he thinks his school is getting worse. He values the school. So what’s the response to that? “tough luck, we’re not interested in commentary from stakeholders like you”?
I think it goes to the question of whether ed reformers value existing public schools. He does. He wrote that he “loves” the school. Obviously he feels he DOES have something to lose. They’re saying it will only get better for him, that school, that’s there’s no downside. If there IS a downside, if his school gets worse and that’s a trade-off we’re making (which is obviously his fear) don’t they have a duty to explain that to people? Then they can debate and decide on that basis.
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And, really, that’s the complaint of all the public school parents who are objecting to this. They think ed reform is making their school worse. So what do they do with that? Just pretend they don’t value these schools and roll the dice that this will be an improvement or at best a wash?
It’s particularly galling because ed reform was sold as an effort to make public schools better. It wasn’t sold as “oh, you can afford another school! What’s the big deal? If it doesn’t work out for you just enroll somewhere else”.
I see the ridiculous over-selling of “no excuses” charter schools, and I’m constantly told I need to emulate those methods. I just have an ordinary public school. I don’t want it turned into a no exuses charter school. I don’t think that’s an improvement. Some things might be an improvement, surely, but I don’t see that as one of them.
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I am from Canada, but I have lots of my cousins and friends who live in many different States in USA. Sooner or later, Canadian Educational System will follow the USA Common Core. For this reason, I am interested in reading Dr. Ravitch’s blog.
Being as parents, “excellent” parents, we always prepare, support and train our children according to their potential, NOT to our expectation as long as they succeed and happy with their lives.
Likewise, being as “excellent” educators, we always prepare, teach and motivate our PUBLIC students according to their potential, not to ANY STANDARD, as long as students treasure and love learning for the rest of their lives.
However, all legislators, government officials, and business movers and shakers should not IMPOSE any common STANDARD on PUBLIC without public meeting, without public consent, and most of all without a period of trying out in order to assess and analyze the “try out” result.
All short cut, and rush implementations without public consultation and public acknowledgment, these implementations must be wrong intention and its process must be STOPPED immediately for the public sake. Back2basic
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Please pardon this parental rant… but this has been building for over two years. Here goes: I am so sick of the pro CC “smart people” telling parents (Louis CK included), that we are wrong about the CC math. We are the ones sitting at the stinking kitchen table night after night – watching helplessly while our previously happy, high achieving kids turn into anxiety ridden, math hating stress cases. When my AP Calculus BC Senior with a 4.0 ave. can’t help a freshman sibling with the “new” math – there’s a problem with the math! When this same Freshman used to have a 98 math average, and is now getting F’s, there’s a problem with the math! When that same Freshman no longer wants to pursue a career in medicine because they now HATE math… there’s a problem with the math! It’s not rocket science you big Common Core loving goobers. But speaking of rocket science… just how did all those rockets ever get built without this “highly superior” CC math? Perhaps, since I’m just a dumb parent, I’ll never get it. What I do get, is that my child’s education got hijacked by a group of corrupt, greedy, elitists trying to play teacher. Even a dumb parent such as myself can do the math on that! Okay, rant over. Sorry all. Thank you, Louis CK for speaking up as a parent – and please, don’t stop.
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I love “dumb parent” rants. And I definitely get the rant about “new math.” You are not alone on that one. But I find it hard to blame the Common Core for this one. At least where I live, “new math” has been driving parents crazy for years and years, long before Common Core. I may or may not be an idiot about math instruction, and my hatred for “new math” may or may not just be an expression of my fear of new things that I don’t understand. That being said, I actually prefer the Common Core-aligned math curriculum to the crap TERC curriculum that my kids’ school was using before. I definitely haven’t seen anything that makes me feel like the Common Core-aligned math curriculum is *worse* than TERC.
I think parents have been confused and afraid and angry about curriculum for a long time. And I think it’s the testing, not the curriculum, that’s bringing this stuff to a boil now. There are more tests, and so there’s more test prep, not just in class, but at home. Most parents are clueless about what goes on inside the classroom, and the main way parents experience their children’s curriculum is through helping with homework or with test prep at home. I think parents have been mystified by homework for a while already, and as testing and test-prep increase, they’ve gotten more mystified and angry. What seems new now, over the last several months, is that parents are picking up on the sense of panic that teachers are feeling about their job security being based on the tests.
My point, such as it is, being: I don’t think parents are up in arms about curriculum or standards per se, because parents generally don’t know much about curriculum or standards, at least not enough to have a well-defined sense of what they dislike about the new curriculum/standards versus what the prior curriculum/standards. And I don’t think the vast majority of parents are “up in arms” about any of this. They’re mainly anxious and afraid. They’re anxious and afraid because they’re confused, and they’re increasingly being forced to confront that confusion, and they’re being told that they should panic.
That’s my view, anyway. And I’m allowed to say it because I’m a dumb parent! So screw all y’all!
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I agree with your very astute perspective on the issue of Common Core math standards Flerp.
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Hey. I’m a dumb parent and, according to our state leaders, now an ineffective teacher. I live in both worlds. I teach to the test on the job as required. At home, I reteach my own kids both the high school and college math the way it is supposed to be learned. We learn true math at home – theory, history, “why”, reason.
Parents are confused. They are told their teachers are bad, lazy and selfish. Yet they see teachers everyday in the classroom as opposed to politicians in marbled halls or corporate titans in distant boardrooms.
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FLERP – I don’t think you actually like “dumb parent” rants… I think you really like Common Core. Your reply post is truly bizarre. You attempt to connect and empathize with this dumb parent only to do the EXACT thing I am ranting about.
You tell me that I really shouldn’t blame CC, and that you actually prefer it – though you “may or may not be an idiot about math instruction”. You go on to say that parents who dislike the CC math are: Confused, afraid, angry, clueless, mystified, panicked, uninformed about standards and curriculum, anxious, and more confusion, yada yada yada… You sum up with one last kick in the teeth to the dumb parents with this nonsensical gem: “They’re mainly anxious and afraid. They’re anxious and afraid because they’re confused, and they’re increasingly being forced to confront that confusion, and they’re being told that they should panic.”
FLERP – nobody is telling me to panic – I don’t do panic. I’m certainly NOT confused, anxious, or fearful. What I am is MAD. I have spent the last twenty years in the public school system as a parent, teacher, advocate, and tutor for the learning disabled. I know curriculum, and I know standards. I am well informed and well researched. I have invested that time and research because the education of children is sacrosanct. Common Core math has adversely impacted my family and the children in my community. The math is being taught from mistake filled, hastily published, scripted, CC aligned BOOKS. However, CC math is really just a symptom of a horribly diseased system.
This smart parent is done supporting a failing system that caters to greedy corporate interests, politicians, and the power hungry. Every time the faux reformers get their hands on education, whether NCLB or CC, our children (especially children growing up in poverty), pay the price.
FLERP – I disagree with Betsy. Your post was not at all astute. It was common – and to make sure we are clear on that, you end your post with a cheer for free speech and a hearty, yet crude, “Screw all y’all!” You may think that was cute, but I don’t. This issue is hurting a lot of people – especially our kids and teachers. Many of our lives are pain filled and difficult every single day. We don’t need more pain in the form of flippant and thoughtless remarks.
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Michelle, I’m sorry. That’s how I feel. You don’t sound like a dumb parent. You sound like someone who’s very familiar with curriculum and standards. So I’m not surprised that my thoughts don’t make sense to you.
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Love it, so true!
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Louie C.K.’s twitter conversations are a watershed for several reasons.
First, and foremost, he’s saved both progressive and conservative populists from being ground to hamburger between the Obama administration’s corporate treachery and the actual Tea Party’s Koch-backed ALEC.
Grateful American parents are stepping ashore on a whole new continent of common ground, breathing clear air untainted by Bill Gates’ or Glen Beck’s toxic exhalations.
And second, this guy is a mensch and a public intellectual in the best sense of the word. He’s more of a strategic leader than a “celebity endorsement”, but please don’t tell him so and scare him away..
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Louis C.K. @louisck 32m
Everything important is worth doing carefully. None of this feels careful to me.
I use the word “reckless” but I’m obviously more dramatic than he is 🙂
It doesn’t feel careful. That’s true, in my opinion. The reason that concerns me is I think people treat things they value with care. So do the people reforming our schools value public schools, or have they already decided they’re all “broken” and no one has anything to lose if we just charge ahead, because they sucked so bad any idea is an improvement over the “status quo”?
They didn’t treat the health care system that way, and our health care system does suck, for tens of millions of people. So why was that system treated with such care and the good parts, the parts that were working for people, so carefully retained?
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Reblogged this on Transparent Christina.
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