Lauren Anderson, a professor at Connecticut
College,
probes the upsurge in interest in the concept of “grit”
and “character” and concludes that it is just another form of
“blaming the victim.” She is especially critical of the work of
Angela Duckworth, who recently won a MacArthur “genius” award.
Duckworth has emerged as the leading academic in “grit” studies.
Anderson takes the “grit” narrative to mean that students could
cure their own poverty if only they were willing to try harder. In
that sense, their failure in the classroom or in life is their own
fault, not the fault of social and economic structures into which
they were born and which they do not control.
Anderson situates the current attention to “grit” in a historical
context as “an appealing policy target for those who believe that
if we could just cultivate the “right” qualities among the
“low-achieving” then they would be able to transcend conditions of
poverty and other obstacles in their way. With more grit, they.
Could overcome. Couched in the language of innovation, these ideas
are among the least innovative in our field.
They reflect long legacies of victim-blaming, the tendency
(especially among the privileged) to emphasize individualism and
personal traits over material conditions and social structures, as
the core determinants of academic “success.” And they help to
perpetuate dual, deeply-held myths about equality of opportunity
and meritocracy–myths that hold intuitive appeal for many of us
because, like the Horatio Alger tale, they explain our achievements
as the earned products of our own hard work.”
In
reviewing Duckworth’s statement for the MacArthur award, Anderson
was surprised to see her reference and quote from the work of Sir
Frances Galton, who had views that today are recognized as racist,
deeply rooted in the belief that different races have different
intellectual levels. Anderson asks,
- What are we to make of a
2013 “genius” award winner quoting unproblematically the ‘founding
father’ of eugenics in the opening paragraph of her research
statement, even as her research engages young people of color? What
are we to make of this particular line of scholarship–so
individualistic in nature, so far from a structural
critique–gaining such favor in these times of gross inequity? If
education is ‘the civil rights issue’ of our time–as so many
reform entities, including those supporting the scholarship in
question, often claim–what are we to make of a research agenda
that explicitly names as its foundation a text steeped in eugenic
thinking?
The underlying
question is to what extent the current interest in “grit,” even in
the highest policy circles in Washington, D.C., represents a deeply
disturbing way of framing problems not as a need to change society
but as a problem inherent in those individuals who don’t “make it.”
If they live in poverty, it is because they have not cultivated the
right kind of character traits, like
“grit.”
Funny, if we look at the issue from the
other end of the telescope, we might ask whether the children who
live in affluent circumstances are possessed of unusual amounts of
“grit” and “character.” Well, no, they were born to families that
already had a lot of money. They have no more grit or character
than children living in housing projects. They are what Michael
Young, in a preface to The Rise of the
Meritocracy, calls “the Lucky Sperm Club.” Lauren
Anderson opens up a line of questioning that the political elites
of our day would rather not confront. Character and grit will get
you just so far. What matters ultimately is a society that truly
provides equality of opportunity. You don’t have to be a genius to
see that inequality of income is growing, inequality of wealth is
growing, and that inequality of opportunity has become the norm.
No amount of grit on the part of teens can change those
facts unless we have leadership with the grit to make it
happen.
What a fantastic piece!
Agree 100%, we need to focus on compassion and cooperation in the 21st century.
Beautiful commentay, Diane.
You hit a nerve that needs to be banged and hammered . . . . . . !
Ravitch definitely hit a “nerve that needs to be banged and hammered”! This part resonates:
“…The underlying question is to what extent the current interest in “grit,” even in the highest policy circles in Washington, D.C., represents a deeply disturbing way of framing problems not as a need to change society but as a problem inherent in those individuals who don’t “make it…”
It seems as if public relations coupled with lame research team up to target a specific agenda at all costs no matter what reality the agenda ignores. Title one schools 10 years back couldn’t shout enough the slogan, “No Excuses”…. so children coming to school from a night at a shelter or with empty bellies or rotten teeth were suddenly just supposed to turn off the “pain” and miraculously focus on learning. “Grit” is just another lame research theory PR packaged to ignore the poverty issue in America. Is this term really a new and innovative discovery??? I think not! It is a giant smokescreen hiding the poverty issue and is a repackaged pre existing word that is not new to anyone. Time to retire this “corporate ed reformy” trendy word along with terms like rigor and way too many others we are forced to hear at various trainings and such.
I don’t see people using the term “no excuses” from the outside in to blame schools for not getting the job done with challenged students.
I see schools using it to describe themselves when they believe it is their responsibility to prepare students as best they can regardless of their circumstances.
The excuses we are taking none of are ones like “these kids can’t learn because they are poor” or “we can’t expect better behavior from these kids because this is what they learn at home”.
I think it is probably a warping of research done that sought to find out why some children against all odds survive and go on to thrive despite underprivileged backgrounds. I think they found that these children found reason to hope in the love and support of a mentor whether it be a relative, a teacher, minister, or coach. Like Harlan said, a child needs a reason to think they can succeed before trying becomes worthwhile.
AND artseagal, replace such retirement with WHAT? What reform of society do you propose?
Its hard to pick yourself up by your boot straps when your mother sold your boots for a ten dollar bag of smack.
A learning community rooted in grit could be dangerously prideful and competitive…Rather than grit, why not cultivate a learning community rooted in hope, sharing, and love of learning..
Bootstraps mean nothing to someone with no boots.
Since I was accused of being ‘intellectually irresponsible’ by a colleague in the Edweek comments section, and since Edweek has now posted an editor’s comment suggesting it was improper to publish my post without reaching out to Duckworth first, I will offer my response (also in the comments on Edweek here). They read as follows:
Thank you for your response…
I want to be clear that the bulk of my post was phrased as questions – e.g., “What are we to make of…?” – as a way to invite dialogue. I welcome direct responses to them, or to the post more generally.
That said, I think you’ve misunderstood my core purpose, as well as that of academic blog spaces.
I can’t speak to Duckworth’s intentionality, and I don’t try to. I don’t pretend to understand why Galton is referenced/quoted so prominently and without the racial content of his work explicitly addressed (in the same way that the immutability is addressed, for example). But I do raise questions about it as a deeply problematic choice. Why not address the issues of racial hierarchy alongside that of “immutability,” especially when Duckworth’s larger body of work does openly acknowledge the role of heritability and her website’s content elsewhere refers to Galton’s 1892 text as “his pioneering treatise on the determinants of eminent achievement…”? That neutral (even celebratory) framing of Galton’s work, in my view, leaves out a significant – if not definitive – aspect of his research/arguments.
As for reading Duckworth’s full body of work, this is an academic blog space in an online education-focused journalistic outlet (not scholarly journal), where I provided an analysis of how she chose to frame her research publicly and her work’s popular uptake. I did not set out to review her scholarship, though that would be a worthwhile undertaking in a more appropriate forum (e.g. academic journal). It’s fair game to respond to the framing of one’s research via a public research statement – a statement that, again, is positioned as foundational to all the work done in the lab – even without reading the whole body of work premised upon it.
Given all this, I do not appreciate being called “intellectually irresponsible” for writing a blog post, when there is no corollary critical commentary about how Duckworth might address the Galton reference more sensitively in her laboratory’s statement. In fact, I think the bar for care and thought in framing research should be higher for the researcher’s publicly available research statement than for a blog post (even one written by a researcher)… and I suspect you’d agree with that, so then why not acknowledge that it might be worthwhile for Duckworth to be more careful about what she uses to frame her scholarship, and how she uses it?
In this case, I don’t think merely writing on the immutability point or studying a range of groups (including more advantaged ones) is, in and of itself, an explicit enough distancing from the highly racialized content of the chosen reference. If Duckworth were to add to her laboratory’s research statement, even one explicit phrase distancing herself from that aspect of Galton’s writing, it would be an improvement in terms of how the statement reads, particularly for those who aren’t reading research statements all the time, with a background of preparation to do so, the way you and I are.
Like it or not, Duckworth’s profile has reached a kind of publicity that does confer, I think, an added layer of responsibility. People will visit her public site, and updated content there (see the red font), as well as links (e.g., ‘get your grit score’) that invite public engagement, seems to offer recognition of that very fact. Yet, since September 2013 at least, the first – and only initially visible – paragraph of the research statement is where Galton is referenced without qualification.
All that said, even if changes were made to the statement to prevent any misreading regarding eugenics, I would still be asking much of what I’m asking in the post, because it has to do with the popularity of this line of scholarship and its appeal, precisely because of its emphasis on individuals rather than structures… an emphasis that has more troubling implications for low-income kids of color than others, because of how it frames success and failure. If for example, grit can be taught, it can be taken up in a ‘no excuses’ manner, and draw attention away from indefensibly inequitable conditions – if this student can grit it out under these conditions, then why not that one? If this teacher can grit it out under these conditions, then why not that one? The potential for leaving unquestioned the underlying conditions is worrisome, especially when the underlying conditions don’t impact everyone the same way. That the work can function to draw attention to individuals and away from structural inequities is, I believe, part of its appeal for many, and also part of the danger in it becoming part of the popular discourse if not very carefully framed for those consuming and reporting on it. Simply put, the stakes are higher for those not in the “advantaged groups” that Duckworth also studies. (And I would argue especially high without a different, explicit framing of Galton…) Given how Duckworth’s work and the language of ‘grit’ is being taken up and could be taken up, more explicit commentary– a different way of framing a deeply problematic text – is not a lot to ask… especially when it’s not something that is being addressed in popular coverage of the work. The others questions, too, are fair and worth asking…
Lastly, I want to speak to the question of inviting dialogue, for which Anthony has received some twitter heat in addition to your critique here. I don’t think it’s fair to say that it’s necessary to forewarn or invite a scholar to respond to what is a blog post… with a built-in space for offering a public response! Duckworth has ample access to the public and many opportunities to speak for herself and her work, including but certainly not limited to the opportunity to respond to my post, as Anthony has openly stated here and on twitter (where I am not). Anthony has opened a dialogue by hosting my comments, but that should not be read as tacit approval. If he’d like to weigh in, he can, of course… as can anyone else, Duckworth included.
This debate devolves to Marxist determinism vs. individualist free will. You need to defend YOUR Marxist analysis of human achievement or your critique of the individualist framework is empty, even in popular media. This you do not do? Why?
Lauren, Ignore Harlan. You are not responsible for addressing HIS Tea Party interpretations. (Harlan’s approach to analysis is a prime example of Maslow’s law of the instrument, “If all you have is a hammer, everything you see looks like a nail.”)
Seems that Duckworth’s notion of ‘”grit” is but substitution for “pulling yourself up by the bootstraps” a fist cousin to ” the deserving and undeserving poor” and ‘the Protestant Ethic” , alongside Social Darwinism. Her approach is an apology for “rugged individualism” and by implication denigrates collective action and cooperation. She reinvigorates the John Wayne, “True Grit” approach to life, which is reactionary to its core.
Reactionary, possibly, but NOT therefore untrue. Grit can be learned, I assume, as well as helplessness, and is learned in the home. Can or should the state seek to compensate for parenting which doesn’t teach grit?
Easy answer? Yes. We do need to compensate for parenting that doesn’t teach grit. If not, we’re consigning those kids to failure because it is certainly easier to teach it to them than it is to teach it to their parents.
In the “Which has to get solved first, poverty or education?” question, I find it academic to say that it would be easier to solve poverty because education would then take care of itself. Yes, that would be easier on public education, but we all see the trend going the other way and creating more poverty, not less.
I find it ironic that education reformers seem to be the ones saying that we believe excellent teachers, well developed, well paid, and well supported, for more time per year, etc. are the only way we’re going to solve poverty, while many educators seem to be throwing up their hands and saying it’s not possible, that teachers just don’t have enough of an effect on a child’s life to change their outcomes.
We seem to want to elevate the profession while many in the professional itself maintain that there’s no such thing as a bad teacher and that excellent educators can in no way make up for economic circumstances.
The idea of “here is your education for you students motivated and supported enough to take it” just isn’t enough for today’s world, especially in our cities.
Where, pray tell jpr, are these mythical reformers who call for better treatment of teachers? You can try to spin your argument like a plate on a pole but you aren’t fooling anyone here. The reformers call for paying teachers less, de-professionalizing teaching, making teaching a barking dog exercise in behaviorism, teacher-proofing the curriculum, removing teachers altogether and replacing them with self-correcting computer programs, constantly churning teachers by offering them no job security, no due process, no right to organize and unionize, no benefits, low pay, no chance of advancement, ad infinitum.
The reformers are all about outsiders coming in and taking over and getting rid of real teachers. Your false indignity notwithstanding and your implication that, once again, totally ignoring the effects of poverty is not only possible but imperative shows your ignorance of the reality of teaching poor children, something I have done for over 30 years.
No one has EVER said that poor children can’t learn or be taught EXCEPT the liars of the reform movement. It’s been one of their favorite memes used to denigrate public schools and teaching in public schools but it has absolutely no basis in truth.
We have always said that we need more of what Geoffrey Canada supposedly “discovered” in his Harlem charter schools: massive cash infusions to provide medical, social, dental, vision, and mental health care while teaching in a well-provisioned, bright, clean, and safe space, something we’ve never provided for poor children as a society.
I’ll be honest, I see what you describe happening in how the legislature and state ed departments are treating district schools. I honestly don’t think that’s ed reform; it’s an inappropriate show of frustration at schools and a profession that doesn’t seem to want to change, and I agree that the result is a mess.
Most of the ed reformers that I know are as disdainful of the way these programs get executed and the micromanagement of details of what teachers do minute by minute by non-teachers, etc. as they are of lack of accountability and professional development. Nobody in their right mind (and I acknowledge that there are plenty who are not) wants teachers to fail or want teaching to become mindless; quite the contrary.
Most charter schools that I know of are run by teachers or people who were teachers and want to run their own schools. The ones I know about are about getting the best results for kids and hiring teachers who will commit to the same goal. I want teachers to be paid more. I want there to be less meddling by state legislatures and far less proscription of what teachers need to do, but I also need teachers to be accountable for something beyond the walls of their classroom in exchange for it.
I think the teacher evaluation systems that legislatures and ed departments are coming up with are horrendous mishmashes of political interests, but I fault unions for not coming up with their own evaluation and professional development programs. I honestly think they pushed as hard as they could to avoid any form of accountability, or even the idea of acknowledging that someone can be a better or worse teacher than someone else, that they are now ending up getting things foisted upon them that are not good.
Why are there not great models of peer review systems? Why did teachers insist for so long that the observation methods that result in 98% of teachers getting a satisfactory rating were in some way sufficient or useful? Treating teachers like interchangeable widgets is not professionalizing teaching, it is turning it in to factory work.
I want the best for students, and that includes paying teachers well, working hard to develop the ones that have talent and are willing to work hard to continually improve their craft, etc. I want teachers that are effective with kids, and I don’t want to tell them what they should be doing minute by minute. I care less about seat time in a classroom with x teachers and y students than I do about whether a plan is working for a child. *Lots* of individual teachers are exactly these things, and I respect them for it regardless of where they work. But the profession as a whole does not exude these qualities nor represent them at the negotiating table. While teachers and management are quibbling over whether the plastic surgery benefit gets kept in the contract, the interests of students get completely and utterly lost. Both sides end up exercising control in the silly ways that they can and frankly not working together in the interests of students.
Finally, regarding poverty, I don’t know a single ed reformer who doesn’t acknowledge that poverty has a *much* great effect on student outcomes than school possibly can. Honestly, not one. All I said, and I believe all just about every other reformer is saying, is let’s work on something that we can actually achieve and improve, and that’s education as an opportunity to achieve more than your economic situation predicts. That is the exalting of the teaching profession, but it seems so many teachers want nothing of that and would prefer to pretend that they can’t have any appreciable effect on their students.
And where are the reformers that you say say that poor children can’t learn? I have never heard that from any reformer, but I’ve certainly heard it from apologists. This whole post started with denigrating the very concept of “cultivating the right qualities among the low achieving [so] they would be able to transcend conditions of poverty”. Angela Duckworth is working towards determining how to help economically disadvantaged students succeed. Lauren Anderson and the first 15 or so comments on this post treat that very concept with complete derision.
Now, tell me whose message says these students can learn, Angela Duckworth’s or Lauren Anderson’s?
Duckworth and KIPP, the charters that glommed on to “teaching” poor children of color “grit,” so that they can increase their college graduation rates, are way off base. Those of us who’ve struggled with poverty and succeeded in college did so not because it was demanded that we learn to grin and bear the inevitability of boring, drill for skill instruction, but because we were inspired by teachers to develop a lifelong love of learning and welcome the intellectual stimulation.
Ok, I’ll agree on the remedy. Now tell me how to pay for it.
And here is the post to which it responds:
This is an intellectually irresponsible attack on a scholar and a body of work that exists *in opposition to* the foundational ideas of eugenics. It appears that neither Anderson nor Cody have actually read Duckworth’s academic research, which is Anderson’s responsibility as a scholar leveling a serious charge against Duckworth and Cody’s responsibility as a publisher.
Bottom line: There is no claim in Duckworth’s work that grit is immutable – quite the contrary – or that it is present in lower levels in racial minority or low-income populations. Those are the two foundational claims in eugenicist work, and this work is predicated on neither. Nor is grit presented as a skill to be cultivated primarily in disadvantaged populations; Duckworth’s studies of Penn students, TFA teachers, and West Point recruits are all about relatively advantaged populations.
Duckworth’s research statement directly addresses these issues, so it is puzzling that Anderson ignored these points:
“The language we use to describe grit and self-control – words like “character” or “personality trait” — may connote to some immutability. However, it is now well-established that traits change across the life course. So, while there is enough stability to traits to sensibly describe one individual as grittier than another, it is also true that children and adults change their habitual patterns of interacting with the world as they accumulate additional life experience.
In terms of intentional change, one promising direction for research is the correction of maladaptive, incorrect beliefs. For instance, individuals who believe that frustration and confusion are signs that they should quit what they are doing may be taught that these emotions are common during the learning process. Likewise, individuals who believe that mistakes are to be avoided at all costs may be taught that the most effective form of practice (deliberate practice – see research by Anders Ericsson) entails tackling challenges beyond one’s current skill level. The intervention work we are undertaking in close partnership with classroom teachers is being led by Lauren Eskreis-Winkler.”
As someone who previously wrote a blog on Ed Week, I understand Cody’s desire to get a conversation going. This was a missed opportunity to host a conversation from two perspectives: Cody could have set reasonable and respectful parameters for discourse in his blog space (which would have required substantial pre-publication edits on Anderson’s piece), and invited Duckworth or someone else familiar with this literature to provide a counterargument.
The ability to immediately press send, or dash off a blog or a Tweet sets us up to not think twice before writing something we would never be willing to stand in front of someone and say. (And certainly, I made my fair share of these mistakes! This is the scary thing about blogging.)
In sum, my view is that Cody made a serious curating mistake here and Anderson made a serious intellectual one. There is a play within a play here about a second pillar of Duckworth’s work, self-control, and I hope that is not lost on readers.
Hear, hear!
from the Rheformish Lexicon:
grit. Ability to persevere in an odious task set by one’s masters despite alienation from the task, from the fruits of one’s labors, and from one’s fellow students or laborers who are, after all, the competition; a key 21st-century work skill to be measured via galvanic skin response bracelets and retinal scanners and recorded in the Orwellian cradle-to-grave national database. See Total Information Awareness.
Mockery, or tendentious redefinition is not legitimate argument. I recognize the passionate goodness of your soul, but that is not sufficient except among your own congregation which pre-accepts the theology and dogma, in this case that there are no differences between individuals.
I am not mocking, Harlan. I am reporting. The USDE report describes the use of such devices to monitor “grit” in real time while kids are doing their worksheets on a screen and report it back to a centralized database. It laments the fact that FMRI machines are too large and expensive to be brought into classrooms for this purpose. I wish that I were making this stuff up. But I am not. It’s from the USDE report.
Well, yes, I am mocking too. 😛 Warm regards, Harlan!
Lauren: as you can tell CT doesn’t like me or the tea party patriots, but that doesn’t mean my question is wrong. I’d really like to hear an explanation of Marxist psychology of liberation. Friere tries but fails. I’d like to hear your approach. By the way, my favorite American philosopher is Susanne Langer, once a luminary of CC.
Well said, Lauren and Diane!!!
The reasons for the emergence of “grit” in the faux academia that seeks to destroy our social institutions are not too difficult to discern. This line of reasoning absolves us of any social responsibility or need to examine our values. We can blithely chase the almighty dollar and disregard the consequences. For the religious conservative set, they can ignore the dissonance they find between their actions and their alleged beliefs, their conscience is clear, it is the fault of the poor for not using their grit. This allows them to maintain the injustices that are now prevalent.
This analysis begs the question of the reality of individual differences and shifts the question to amount of money spent by the state on uneducated poor folks. Ok for a cheerleader of the team. NOT ok for a purportedly rational debate.
I have a wonderful idea for longitudinal study (althoug would finding results really take THAT long to assign it “longitudinal” status?):
Let Lauren Andersen be stripped of all her assets so that she is thrust into the street and left homeless. We can re-enact a modern version of that scene from “Girl with the Pearl Earring” in which a merchant family and their belongings are hurled into the street as they are evicted from their home as a result of not paying their debts. The Dutch authorities who did this were accompanied by large, fang bearing Dobermans.
With any luck in this experiement on Ms. Andersen, Ms. Andersen will have an illness but no medical insurance. In this hypothetical construct, also strip her of all education credentials so that she is reduced to someone with not more than a high school education (I think that’s kind of generous, but let’s spread the love for Lauren here . . . . ). If Ms. Andersen has any offspring, let’s hurl them into the mix as well. Poverty loves company.
Then carefully recording how Ms. Andersen develops “grit” and pulls herself up by her bootstraps, let’s find out deductively or inductively, depending on how we set up our social experiment (what the hell. . . . if Gates can experient on millions of people, why can’t we do so on this one individual?) how well Lauren Andersen catapults herself first into the working class poor, then into the middle class, especially at her age (anyone know her age?).
I will apply to the Gates foundation for a grant to conduct the experiment . . . .
Ms. Andersen, are you in?
Robert Rendo,
Maybe you meant to suggest that Angela Duckworth should have this opportunity to demonstrate the power of grit to overcome all adversity, not Lauren Andersen.
Typo. . . . . big time. Based on my own exhaustion. RIght sentiment. . . wrong name. Very big apologies to Lauren and the readers here. If I were an editorialist, I’d be fired for that . . . . . with justification.
NO apologies, however, to Ms. Duckworth.
Yes: Angela Duckworth needs to be our lab rat.
Harlan: I think that hope is a function of love.
yes yes yes
Well said, Harlan!
You would also have to hypnotize her into misremembering her past.
The hopelessness caused by generational poverty may be the strongest influence of all.
Robert, that experiment is in fact being carried out nationwide in the ghettos. NY teacher, in my view, correctly names on component of “grit” and that is “hope.” My own grit, such as it may be, has been diminished by my ill health and proximity to death. The young people I see are mostly full of hope, and deservedly so. To be young and without hope must be the most devastating feeling in the world.
How then does one teach hope to the functionally hopeless? Diane’s answer is wrap around social services.
But I think hope is a function of love. If so, can the state institutions provide love? Many classroom teachers come close to doing so.
Equal opportunity may come down to getting enough love. Do you accept that characterization of the problem????
We can start with a minimum living wage for anyone 18 and over.
$12 to $15 per hour.
$12 is NOT a living wage unless you are living in Moombay . . . .
Let’s start with $17 with benefits in all of these multi-billion dollar franchised comglomerates. . . . . .
Once again, confusing bad economics with education policy.
How am I confusing them?
RR
Your absolutely correct on that. My low-ball figure however is the one being bandied about and probably has a realistic chance for passing.
Why would anyone want to put in a 40 work week for $14K a year?
Couldn’t even pay the rent in most places.
Harlan, I hope that your self report there is untrue. Warm regards, Bob
“To be young and without hope must be the most devastating feeling in the world.”
Harlan, I think you have “hit the nail on the head.” And without doing a bit of research! If you have someone who loves and supports you and believes (has hope) that you can “succeed,” then persevering becomes a whole lot easier.
Haxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Harlan, that is a beautiful post. And I agree with your first post that the discussion of the Duckworth-Anderson exchange seems to devolve into Marxist determinism Vs individualist free will. These are knee-jerk reactions. Despite Duckworth having wandered into questionable territory with her Galton reference, a reading of her work suggests she understands that perseverance as applied to educational tasks would best be taught through long-range projects with incentivized goals (a far cry from learning ‘grit’ via wrist-monitored reactions to short-term tasks, but I don’t see any such suggestion in her work.)
The phrase “blaming the victim” is the TRUE problematic concept. It’s a circular argument to begin with, the word “victim” smuggling the conclusion into the hypothesis.
It is also a way of calling a researcher “racist” which ends discussion rather than continuing illuminating debate. It amounts to saying “I don’t like the conclusion” and “only an immoral person would advance it,” and “therefore it cannot be true.”
Now that is REAL illogic and ought not to be promoted if one’s claims to advocate within the realm of reason.
If one’s only claims are political, then of course that’s acceptable, but should be labelled with the caveat “Don’t expect my position to be rational. It’s pure faith based emotion.”
I suspect Diane would not agree that her position is ” pure faith based emotion.”
I didn’t realize that this was a religious blog when I first started reading it. I agree with all here on testing, but mainly based of constitutional grounds, rather than on “compassion” grounds.
To think, that defending public education should come down to pure sentiment rather than reason.
A revelation of sorts.
Harlan, this is not a religious blog.
Your logic and thinking are rich, complex, and completely tordu, as we say in French. Your thinking connects many dots, but the dots were never in this article to begin with.
Great connections. Wrong dots . . . . .
Please follow David Coleman (did I say that?) and do a close reading . . . . . .
I loathe Coleman. Please don’t require it.
This is an outstanding piece. The whole Galton “scientific eugenics” approach is very much alive and well.
There’s a particular vision being instantiated here, and it has roots. Explore those here:
http://www.amazon.com/War-Against-Weak-Eugenics-Americas/dp/0914153293
In his book, historian Edwin Black details the history of the Eugenics movement in the United States and the creation of the Coldspring Harbor Eugenics Laboratory on Long Island with funding from several American plutocrats and from the U.S. government. This laboratory wrote a report recommending that the bottom 10 percent of cognitively low-performing Americans be EUTHANIZED for the sake of the gene pool. This complex of ideas, data-driven eugenics based on testing for conformance to cognitive standards, provided the theory that the Nazis grabbed and ran with. Charles Lindbergh, the great American hero, was a big fan of the Nazis and of eugenics, as was Henry Ford. If Lindbergh had decided to run for president, he most likely would have won, and the U.S. would have had a pro-Nazi president. Phillip Roth explores this alternative possible history of the U.S. in his novel The Plot against America.
Ed deform is the latest flowering of a school of thought that was the eugenics movement. There is no question whatsoever of that.
Henry Ford started a newspaper, The Dearborn Independent, to promulgate his anti-semitic, eugenicist views. He was a believer in the international Jewish conspiracy detailed in that classic racist conspiracy theory document The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Not long before the Second World War, Henry Ford received a medal from the new Hitler government. That’s the background for this quotation from Albert Einstein, which I think of as a deeply insightful commentary on the current education deforms:
“I believe in standardizing automobiles. I do not believe in standardizing human beings. Standardization is a great peril which threatens American culture. . . . Such men [as Henry Ford] do not always realize that the adoration which they receive is not a tribute to their personality but to their power or their pocketbook.
—— Albert Einstein, Saturday Evening Post interview, 10/26/1929″
Henry Ford was an anti-semite and a pro-standardization person. He’s the farthest thing I can image from some of the progressive educators who staff Pilot Schools in Boston and a number of EdVisions district & charters in various parts of the country.
The world needs to be reminded of Ford’s vicious attitudes towards Jews. Thank you, Joseph.
While you have a point, you are also mistaken. I taught for 23 years in Title I schools and grit matters a great deal. If we as educators are to just throw up our hands and wait until societal conditions are changed, we will never do anything. I saw in my classrooms that grit does matter. Students who were able to take the long view with lots of help were able to succeed, finish college and lead productive lives. We always have to work to change our leadership and work in the here and now with grit simultaneously. Angela Duckworth’s concepts are useful.
Grit matters. But there is a great deal of difference between encouraging it in students and hooking them up to galvanic skin response monitors and retinal scanners to measure their perseverance in doing inane worksheets on a screen, which is PRECISELY WHAT IS DESCRIBED IN THE USDE REPORT on Building Grit, Tenacity, and Perseverance.
Grit can mean tenacity with regard to achieving worthwhile personal goals, or it can mean perseverance in inane tasks forced upon one by an external master, no matter how alienating those tasks.
BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!!
Low income students can learn and develop brilliantly. So can their parents when there is robust parent engagement and outreach. Outside of true cognitive impairment, they can go to Ivy League Schools and become anything they want. I see this in my own students from Central and South America. I hold many workshops per year with their parents, and the tone and tenor of each interactive presentation one of a class at a university. The parents are all scholars despite their lack of education. Being scholarly is a state of mind in many regards.
But even Title I children with grit will need an array of intense wrap-around services to help them maintain their grit, without which, a school alone filled with low income gritty children cannot succeed.
If we are serious as a society and government, we should provide such services and defer to Finland.
The rich need to pay their fair share of taxes.
And we Americans should be in the streets to protest our wasteful and uber-expensive military campaigns and invasions that have lasted far too long and wasted tax payer money.
Put away the guns and start purchasing leveled libraries . . . .
Loops. Going off the rails again with “paying fair share.” they are and do. You weaken your credibility by advancing tax increases as the only policy correction. Likewise bashing the military. You mix you liberal politics up with your correct view of the problem and the classroom.
Why is it so often the case that great educators ( like yourself), are poor political and economic thinkers?
I did not bash the military; I bashed our military policies. Our men and women in uniform are innocent for the most part. Please don’t confuse your thoughts for my words and the fair import of my language, Harlan.
I hope you stay well and stay around for a long time. I may be intense, but I am not a monster, fyi (not that you were thinking that) and I sincerely hope your health improves. I am not out for your mortality, but I am out for your ideologies. . . . .
I am not a poor political thinker.
The United States is fast becoming a septic tank compared to other more civilized societies, and people living and working here deserve a lot better.
The rich do not pay their fair share. Just ask Warren Buffet and his secretary. . . . .
Harlan: I live in a suburban area out west that is probably 70 percent white, 25 percent Hispanic, and 5 percent other minority groups. I have a wonderful African American young man in my AP class–smart, funny, a spectacular speaker (he’s also in my debate program and has won several awards) and extremely respectful. The whole school knows and loves him. He just told me the other day that he was harassed in a neighboring town when he went to get snacks from the convenience store and was hanging out with friends outside the store on a Saturday evening. The police came and questioned him, giving him a hard time, while leaving his Caucasian friends alone. And I live in an area with very little history of institutional racism. It still exists.
Without HOPE, there is no GRIT.
Generational poverty and dependency have a way of erasing all thoughts of grit and hard work when it comes to school work.
And to ignore the legacy of our racist past (and present) as a major factor in gritlessness would be very naïve.
I see many poor immigrant families that still have great hope. They came here explicitly for the educational opportunities. Their children are the hardest working kids in the system. Poverty is no match for hopefulness and great expectations.
Racism past, yes, but racism now? If it exists at all, it is up north in the woods. Current racism is the faceless trump card used to avoid thought. Otherwise I agree.
Harlan
There are plenty of studies supporting the notion of de-facto racism as a limiting factor for young people of color. In one study of potential job applicants, white male felons were routinely selected over black college graduates. Please don’t ask me to identify the study, I heard it on the radio ant that’s the best I can do.
Harlan, do you really think that there is no racism now. Not long ago I had a very successful middle-class African-American textbook salesman tell me about how whenever he is walking down a street, white people move to the other side so as not to have to walk past him. They’re afraid of me, he said. Because I am black and because I am a man.
Wow. So you are the arbiter of success and productive living in regards to your students’ lives and it all comes down to “grit”? That’s one of the most disturbing things I’ve read from a teacher in a long, long time.
I choose to let my Title I students and their families determine their own lives and whatever they conceive of as being successful and productive is fine with me.
It doesn’t have to be a white, middle class, gritty protestant definition of living for me.
My students and their families have taught me a whole lot about flexibility, tenacity, adaptability, cultural nurturing, sharing, having someone’s back, creativity, entrepreneurship, and just enjoying life without any of the extras. They seem to have a handle on defining their own lives that doesn’t need my privileged imprimatur of grit and acceptability and I doubt that they would be considered successful or productive by today’s greedy capitalist standards.
And, once again, NO ONE is advocating throwing up their hands and giving up on anything except you and the pro-reform apologists.
First one in the thread, Chris, to advance the thought that it is not my job as an educator to determine each family’s and person’s concept of self fulfillment for them. The unexamined a priori that “grit” and “determinedness” are fully human positive traits leaves a lot to be desired.
Have you read this draft report from the USDOE from last year? http://pgbovine.net/OET-Draft-Grit-Report-2-17-13.pdf To think that scientists are working on these monitoring devices, which will be used to essentially abuse children by measuring how well they conform or not to the inane, meaningless, and dehumanizing tasks that the CC materials offer and test, is unbearable to anyone who has ever known children, and should be unbearable to anyone who has ever been a child (i.e. any human being). That these measures of “grit” will be tested and refined on “other people’s children,” and not the children of the elite who promote them, is ethically and morally bankrupt. Parents need to become aware of what is happening and resist in large numbers.
Thanks for linking to that report. It shows what this is really all about. It is about command and control. It is about obedience training for the children of the proles.
This grit agenda is just follow through from the Departmemt of Labor SCANS, Secretaries Commission on Achieving Necessary Skills, report to test and measure attitudes. Duckworth is out there marketing this agenda because the government intends to begin testing attitudes, values, opinions, and beliefs again. Now, a system is in place for interventions to change personality too, along with the new Common Core Citizenship Dispositions.
Lookout. There is more on the horizon.
This is an extremely important issue because the Common Core agenda is incorporating the non-Cognitve, affective domain into their College and Career Ready Standards.
The National Assessment Governing Board is aligning the non-cognitive for assessment. Page 2
Click to access tab11-saturday-board-policy-discussion.pdf
The CCSSO added dispositions to the Common Core now called College, Career Citizenship Standards.
Click to access ILN%20Knowledge%20Skills%20and%20Dispositions%20CCR%20Framework%20February%202013.pdf
The President has tapped James Comer for this agenda on non-cognitive.
http://ctmirror.org/comer-to-obama-look-beyond-test-scores/
The Race to the Top model states called Next Generation Schools are creating an R & D model called Innovation Lab Network. All states involved in this model use dispositions in their standards.
https://www.epiconline.org/publications/documents/062712_NCSA_ILN.pdf?force_download=true
http://www.epiconline.org/center-for-innovation-in-education-skills-dispositions-working-group
I filed a federal complaint against the state of Pennsylvania for testing students in the affective domain. The name of the test was the Educational Quality Assessment, EQA. This measured over 10 areas in non-cognitive areas of values, opinions, and beliefs. In 1990 the complaint was resolved, the test was removed, and a policy was issued to all 501 schools districts to forbid the testing in the affective domain again without informed written parental permission to do so. The test measured things like thresholds of compliance, adapting to change, and locus of control. They told the parents they were testing Citizenship. The test was also scored to a criterion.
What was done with the scored attitudes and values?
So, how do you test and score attitudes and values that are subjective? The marketing materials about the test said depending on the sophistication of your parents as to whether they were told about the testing. I lived in a very rural school district. You do not know what the test makers are looking for unless you have the evaluation and definitions of the area being assessed.
Parents were told Citizenship but the scientists measured thresholds.
OK. So, if Angela Duckworth is going to measure grit, how will it be scored? What type of interventions will be done to change the personality of the student? Who is liable if things go wrong? Are teachers capable of entering into an area that they are not qualified to teach?
So, they are going to test non-Cognitve/affective domain again. Do we really want the government to do this? Is it legal? Are there criteria or standards for how students MUST think?
EQA Inventory
Click to access ED103468.pdf
8th grade
In my opinion, the government would like to wipe the slate clean to do re-molding of student attitudes me values. It is group think. Just read page 19 Citizenship group goals and group efforts scored to a criterion. Let me know what you think. Let me know if we should continue to let Angela get away with this glowing term like grit, when in reality, it will mean something else.
I’m not going to let the government do this again. Will you?
Anita B Hoge
Hogieshack@comcast.net
If my kid comes home with a biometric device, it’s going to get scrambled up in the microwave for a couple of minutes.
Voight-Kampff tests are for androids, not children.
YES!!!!
The researchers whose work is reported on in such glowing terms in the USDE report complained that the kids broke a lot of the devices. I cannot tell you how pleased that makes me.
I’m saddened by this. Everyone knows that there are kids that are able to reach beyond the boundaries that have been set for them by economic circumstances, and that they do it through what Angela Duckworth calls grit, but what you might want to call high executive function. It doesn’t matter what you call it, but pretending it doesn’t exist or isn’t worth looking at doesn’t make sense to me.
Saying that grit can’t be important because rich kids do well without it also doesn’t make sense. I had to work a lot harder to find the job I wanted because I didn’t have the connections that well off students develop at prep schools and elite colleges. Would it be “victim bashing” to tell me that that was the case? Is hard work wrong in that circumstance because there are well-off students that didn’t need to do it? Nonsense. Pretending this issue doesn’t exist or waiting for it to go away is victim *creating*.
Finally, preliminary research is showing that grit might be teachable. Maybe I’m missing something here, but it sure seems like people posting are dismissing grit because it implies that students might have some measure of responsibility for their own success. Sorry, but protecting students from reality is not helping them. Grit is one way that people achieve more than is predicted by their circumstances.
Again, grit can mean
tenacity with regard to achieving worthwhile personal goals,
or it can mean perseverance in inane tasks forced upon one by an external master, no matter how alienating those tasks are.
BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!!
The USDE report definitely has the latter in mind. This idea of building the character traits of tenacity and perseverance has been co-opted. The deformers are excited about tenacity and perseverance as means for overcoming the alienation created by their worksheets on a screen. They have an extrinsic punishment and reward model, and extrinsic punishment and reward is demotivating for cognitive tasks. Answer to that demotivation: grit defined as perseverance in an onerous, alienating task.
Once again, I agree with you completely, Robert. To quote from myself (testimony I made to the RI legislature in support of a bill to pause the PARCC until a Task Force has had a chance to thoroughly investigate the ramifications of the Common Core package): I think that the worst flaw of the CC$$ for ELA is that the standards do not allow for teachers to encourage students to value and express their own stories and viewpoints. Without respect for the students’ heritage, strengths, interests, and needs, there can be no trust or mutual respect, and the learning that is supposed to be happening languishes.
Homo Sapiens sapiens is a social species. Teaching and learning is a human process. This technocratizing of education is inexcusable.
I see this first hand while volunteering in an 8th grade classroom of ELL students in a Providence middle school. One of their two periods of English daily has been devoted to “Extreme Weather.” The materials are from Pearson, and are totally disengaging and provide no scaffold for these students’ academic needs. This is standardization–everyone marches to the same inane, poorly thought out cacophony. No wonder some of them cut classes. Many of those students who attempt to do the work are essentially clueless, and are being totally deprived of any meaningful instruction that would actually provide them the skills so that they could develop motivation and become self-actualized learners. What we have here, is a mindless, dehumanizing pseudo-education. I like to call it the Stepfordization of America.
Yes, big difference. And Angela Duckworth’s work is all about the former. No lack of straw men in the posts on this blog. It seems to be almost required. I’m confident Angela Duckworth has no desire to see students hooked up to monitoring devices except possibly as part of a lab experiment.
jpr, Duckworth’s work and the uses to which it is being put by education deforms are distinct. People rightly attack the latter, and its their horror about the latter that you are seeing here, I think, for the most part. Certainly, that’s the source of the chill that runs down my spine when I read what ed deformers typically have to say about tenacity and perseverance. They have an extrinsic reward model of teaching and learning, and they see grit as persistence in working toward those external rewards and avoiding those external punishments. That’s a very disturbing vision for U.S. education, but it’s the vision of the very folks who have made grit, now, the meme that it is.
Bob,
Thanks for the thoughtful explanation (well maybe except for the “deformer” part) ;-).
I guess I live in a different reform world where we look at the work that Angela and others are doing as valuable tools for determining how economically disadvantaged students can succeed.
I’m a charter guy, and I only see the people around me using the concept of grit to help students, not to label those somehow lacking in it or imply that lack of success means lack of grit.
As for its use for political leaders (and I frankly haven’t heard that much of that), maybe it’s the interpretations that we make of those messages based on our own conceptions.
See, Bob, I agree with you, because that is what I fear when everyone starts talking about “grit:” that grit means persevering, even when the task is pointless. Did anyone else notice that grit suddenly became a thing when the Common Core, with its developmentally inappropriate and/or boring tasks, began to be questioned?
I work hard to teach my students to persevere, but I also work hard to make my classes and assignments as meaningful as I can. I can’t make everything meaningful for every kid all the time, of course, but I try to have enough things going that something will appeal to these kids, and that even if something else isn’t their cup of tea, that they can see the point of the assignment and tough it out. I don’t want to hold their hands constantly, but I don’t want to spit in their hands, either.
Everything I’ve read of Angela Duckworth’s is about grit meaning tenacity and perseverance in getting what you want, not about the ability to put up with mindless tasks.
I guess when she or other reformers talk about grit, so many of you hear “if they only had grit they’d succeed”, where I hear “grit is a valuable life skill that seems to be partially predictive of success in college and life; if we can instill it and encourage it, these students will have a better chance of succeeding in a world that is stacked against them”.
We can’t give our kids ivy league college or prep school connections, but we can encourage and develop grit and hope that this helps them overcome the barriers that society has placed between them and successful, choice-filled lives while it gifts those same things to many well-off kids without regard to whether they’ve worked for it.
We can’t give our kids ivy league college or prep school connections, but we can encourage and develop grit and hope that this helps them overcome the barriers that society has placed between them and successful, choice-filled lives while it gifts those same things to many well-off kids without regard to whether they’ve worked for it.
jpr, that is very well said and commendable from a teacher in the trenches. But from a politician or plutocrat, very similar language sounds like an excuse for doing nothing about the savage inequalities that low SES kids confront (“we can’t give”). By the time a low-SES kid is 4 years old, he or she has heard 30 million fewer words than the middle-class kid has, this at a time when essential neural parameters for language are being laid down. We spent 6 trillion dollars on our misadventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. We need to spend on compensatory environments for our poorest children, from the earliest ages. Switch the low-SES kid and the high-SES kid in the cradle, and the former will grow up to sit on boards of directors and to run for Senator.
You simply don’t understand children or poverty. Before we talk about making kids tougher, let’s make sure they have access to healthcare from conception on. Let’s make sure they have access to nutritious food from conception on. Let’s make sure that their parents have access to jobs that pay a living wage. Toughness and grit may be teachable. Imagine how much more teachable grit and lots of other qualities would be to a child whose basic needs are met. Of course, we should do what we can for the kids in the schools right now. I’d love to know how to tell my student who came to school hungry, poorly clothed, perhaps needing medical attention, distracted by that and the environment they live in that they should toughen up.
I understand the sentiment, but we’ve been in a war on poverty since 1960 and poverty is winning. While we’re working on righting that injustice, can’t we also work on things that have an immediate effect on the students that we are responsible for right this minute?
Miron,
It’s a bit condescending for you to tell me what I do and don’t understand, don’t you think?
You want to solve access to healthcare and income inequality “before we talk about making kids tougher”. OK, me too. Admirable. How’s that going?
I, and the kids I interact with, live in actual reality, where grit, tenacity, and perseverance will help them succeed. To the degree I can help them develop that (not by telling them they should toughen up; give me a break), I choose to do that.
It’s not fair that life requires more of them to be successful than it does of well-off kids, but it’s reality.
Perhaps you’re someone who doesn’t believe that these life skills can be taught or developed? I’d suggest reading the studies.
I accept your remedy, but now tell how you want to see it paid for.
I agree. I’ve achieved LESS than was expected of me, but even the very modest life I’ve had, required extraordinary amounts of grit which I did not know ahead of time I had or would need. I did get support from medical professionals, county government (welfare), church, and family, and survived to tell the tale ( though no one cares to listen anymore). On the outside I seem sort of elite (I.e. good schools), but the true, raw, gravel grit I needed to not be dropped from the system (flunk out) was a lot more than anyone suspects. Maybe my good schools might seem to have made it easy, but it wasn’t. It is NEVER who you know that matters, ONLY what you know. Any achievement may look easy, but it never is. Luck, however does play a role. Otherwise, I’d be dead.
YOU were on welfare?
YOU?!?!?
When you make up your mind as to who you are, please let us know. Otherwise, I am confused by this extreme makeover . . . .
It is never who you know that matters?
Harlan, you don’t think that, surely. Look at the enrollments for Ivy League schools. The children of the wealthy and powerful get in, even if their grades and scores are mediocre. And people don’t get backed to run for office based on what they know but based on whom they know. You don’t really think that two kids, with identical SAT scores and GPAs, one named Gates or Bush and the other named Nobody have the same chance of admittance, do you?
Here’s an example, jpr, of the kind of thing I mean, from head honcho ed deformer Jeb Bush:
“Let me tell you something. In Asia today, they don’t care about children’s self esteem. They care about math, whether they can read – in English – whether they understand why science is important, whether they have the grit and determination to be successful.”
This is from a piece posted on Mercedes Schneider’s blog today. Grit simply means, to these people, “We have to get tough with these kids and make them show grit.” The whole approach, the whole attitude, the whole mindset is just punitive and ugly.
We are to tell our children that we don’t care how they feel about themselves? All that matters is that they have grit?
This guy is advocating child abuse in the name of grit.
Bob,
I honestly read it another way. Self esteem for it’s own sake is fleetingly useful. What *is* useful is recognition of hard work, trying hard and achieving your best, regardless of what that is for you, and being rewarded for it.
I’d rather see hard work rewarded with encouragement and increased self esteem than a focus on feeling good about yourself and the learning will come later.
I can tell you that the non-reading third graders that get promoted in my district have plenty of self esteem to go with the Bs on their report cards (despite not passing state exams). Later, all that self-esteem will come crashing down when they get into middle school and the grading curve gets harder on them. Then, 50% of them drop out after 10th grade.
jpr, I agree emphatically that recognition of hard work is essential. A lot depends upon building cultures and systems that foster the building of personal responsibility. It’s important to teach kids, via the systems we create, “Learning is something you do, not something that is done to you. It is something you undertake, not something you undergo. You are responsible for your learning, and you are your first and most important and most long-term teacher.” Extrinsic motivation systems from Day 1 and systems that do not require kids to make choices about their own learning, that are entirely canned, undermine creating that intrinsic motivation, that self-directedness, and personal responsibility.
My expertise is in curriculum design. I tend to think of these matters in terms of how a unit or a lesson is structured, and my comments are from that point of view. If I sow doubt in you about your dancing ability just before you take to the dance floor, about the quality of your delivery before you go to give that speech, . . .
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx to jpr: “I can tell you that the non-reading third graders that get promoted in my district have plenty of self esteem to go with the Bs on their report cards (despite not passing state exams). Later, all that self-esteem will come crashing down when they get into middle school and the grading curve gets harder on them. Then, 50% of them drop out after 10th grade.”
Precisely describes what happened to a brother of mine who was in 3rd grade in 1963– my mother begged them to hold him back until he learned to read– he was finally held back at a much more difficult time socially (9thgr)–he kept at it but ultimately couldn’t get a hs diploma. 7 yrs later his very similar sister was understood to have dyslexia, was taught to compensate for it, succeeded. (It is depressing to think the same early ’60’s mentality prevails in your schools).
The modern-day version, turned on its ear, is the adhd LD mentality: teaching you to compensate is expensive, please take a drug to focus. After stupidly following this w/my eldest & watching it ruin his health, I held my ground when they tried the same crap on my youngest. They found a way to teach him.
Perhaps it’s simply because nobody knows what bootstraps are anymore. Is it fair to say, however, that the common factors affecting most who lack “grit” are the same factors affecting achievement? It’s pretty hard to pull yourself up by your bootstraps if you grow up where no one can afford them.
This reminds me of how the Self Esteem Movement started. I started teaching as this movement was spreading like a cancer through our children and infecting the schools too.
You may be interested in the results of the self-esteem movement that had its start in the late 1960s or early 1970s and spread across American influencing too many young parents.
“While the self-esteem movement has been largely debunked, we are just now reaping what it has sown. The generation raised under these conditions is entering the workforce and has been described as difficult and that their expectations far exceed those of their predecessors in entry level positions. The praise they have been given all of their lives is still expected, even if they have not done anything to earn it and they lack the resiliency to deal with real disappointment and the realities of life.23,24”
http://pro.psychcentral.com/2011/twitter-and-youtube-unexpected-consequences-of-the-self-esteem-movement/00545.html/2#
It seems that far too many Americans are always looking for an easy way to succeed without actually working for it, and now they’ve latched on to “grit”.
The self esteem movement did irreparable harm while trying to make them feel good. A disastrous period in American education.
The sad fact is that there are still parents raising their kids and inflating their false sense of self-esteem. The movement is not gone yet. It may be in retreat but it isn’t over.
Here’s the other side of the self esteem issue. Our emphasis on “feel goodism” definitely went overboard in some cases. However, if anyone watched the Zhao video I kept pushing a few days ago, you know that the difference they found between the highest performing students globally and US students was their belief in themselves. In adulthood, by our measures of success (not just $$$), the US outshines all other nations.
People’s feelings of self worth matter. If people are confident, they perform well.
The simple experiment on this, which has been performed many, many times, in many variations, does something to build confidence and then tests. The results are always the same. If people go into the test confident, their scores improve dramatically. If you tell a kid all the time, in a billion little ways, you are not valued, you are worthless, you are poor, you dress badly, you don’t have nice things, you live in a dump, you are the wrong color, you are stupid, you are not what we wanted, then they will lose motivation and confidence and they will perform terribly. Kids with and without self esteem but with the same level of knowledge perform very, very differently. This is not a matter of speculation. It’s something we know.
sorry about the agreement error in that post. Posting too hastily here.
And confidence comes through a natural process for those who learn that failure is not the end of life but a learning experience where one learns from their failures and uses that knowledge to have a better chance at success.
We also know that most of the Asian American students in the US public schools have some of the lowest self esteem but that doesn’t stop them from going to college and majoring in fields that lead to better paying more secure jobs.
American Asians have one of the lowest suicide rates, the lowest drug use rates, the lowest teen pregnancy rates, the highest marriage rates, the lowest divorce rates, the lowest prison rates, the lowest unemployment rates, etc.
In case someone challenges that last paragraph, here’s a link to the post I wrote on this topic with links to the primary sources that support what I said.
http://crazynormaltheclassroomexpose.com/?s=Asian+suicide
That in certain circumstances, other factors can outweigh the importance of self-confidence to success does not, Lloyd, change the fact that self-confidence is important to success. Having strong muscles enables people to lift large weights. The fact that some people who are not muscular own fork lifts and can lift larger weights than muscular people can does not change the fact that having strong muscles is determinative of weight-lifting ability.
Again, the science is unequivocal. How people feel about themselves–their feelings of self confidence and self worth–have DRAMATIC consequences for performance. This has been studied to death. It’s one of the most robust findings in the sciences dealing with learning.
earned self-confidence is not the same as inflated self-esteem
http://www.examiner.com/article/narcissism-versus-healthy-self-esteem-how-do-we-know-the-difference
Even more robust, of course, is our knowledge of how easy it is to undermine someone’s performance by instilling doubt or fear of failure in him or her.
“instilling doubt or fear of failure”
This is what the propaganda against the public schools may be doing to many teachers. The constant lies are certainly instilling doubt outside of teaching and a belief that the public schools are failing.
All we have to do is look at the comments that a few leave here to see that they drank the fake reformer’s Kool Aid.
That is certainly so. It infuriates me that the so-called leader of our public school system, Arne Duncan, spends his time bashing it, telling the country that it is an abject failure. I have utter contempt for that opportunistic toady.
The word “Contempt” is tame compared to the words I’d use to describe him. They wouldn’t be suitable here.
If I give you a problem that to solve that I know that you will not be able to solve, and then you take a test, your score will plummet.
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Posted the Beaufort Wind Scale in the hope that we can use this same principle (quantifying qualitative observations) to develop the “Duckworth Grit Scale”. Students receive grit ratings form 0 to 12 based on teacher observations in the classroom. Could easily be included on progress reports and report cards.
Teacher observations? For get that. We’ll use galvanic skin response wrist bracelets and EEGs and retinal scanners to monitor grit level in real time. That way, we can make sure that the kids never fail to show properly obedient and attentive gritfulness.
I thought the name Duckworth was familiar. At a professional development session earlier this year, my colleagues and I had to watch Duckworth TED Talk about grit. I remember thinking about how many of the poor probably use a great deal of grit just to get through an ordinary day.
By contrast, it is not all that unusual for the relatively well-off students in the parochial school where I work these days to shed tears over B’s. I think the condescending finger-wagging about grit is being directed at the wrong people.
I remember thinking about how many of the poor probably use a great deal of grit just to get through an ordinary day.
yes yes yes
…how many of the poor probably use a great deal of grit just to get through an ordinary day.
This was my thought as I listened to the NPR story about grit a week or so ago! It made me think of another story they had about free bikes to ride in NYC and how they only had these bikes in higher SES areas of the city. I couldn’t help but think there would be no way I would want to ride a bike home from my low-wage job where I have been on my feet all day when I could be sitting on a bus.
Grit–pfft!! I’d like to see Duckworth last a week with all her “grit” if she became down and out!
“Learning grit” used to be called “hazing.”
From The New England Primer, the first textbook published on these shores:
The idle Fool
is whip’t in school.
The Ed Deformers like to talk about grit because they share that general philosophy. Lack of motivation or success is due to laziness, period. We have to get tough with these kids and require that the show grit.
Here’s another
Tell B for the Beast at the end of the wood.
He ate all the children when they wouldn’t be good.
Who cares that little kids are crying during those standardized tests? They are not showing enough grit.
No one is arguing here that tenacity and perseverance are not important character traits, of course. Anyone who thinks that that’s so isn’t paying attention to what is being said.
We classroom teachers are the ones who really need the grit to endure the effluent that the affluent are rolling down the mountain from their lofty perch. How do elitists like Duckworth sleep at night?
“Effluent from the affluent.”
Beautifully phrased!
Don’t fall for meaningless verbal rhetoric. You are much too intelligent for that. Because it sounds pretty, do you really believe our problems arise from the wealth shitting on the poor? What doe that metaphor really mean? Anything?
Let’s just say, they are not as “generous” as they like to think they are. Ask anyone in the service industries who is dependent on tips for some portion of their income. Ask who the good tippers are.
Don’t even try to tell me that they earned their wealth without admitting the cost to the vast majority of society.
Are you really saying “they stole it from the poor”? If so, that’s the kind of primitive economic thinking that prevails among so many teachers who read The Nation and think that’s enough. Ask: “Where does the money for schools originate”? Follow that thought.
Did I say that? Let’s just say that a free market economy has casualties. A “free market” economy that has been tweaked to favor the “haves” has even more casualties. If our democratic form of government were truly democratic, a small percentage of the country would not be allowed to beggar the rest through manipulation of our government.
Crony capitalism is a plague in all regimes, worst in tyrannies. Do you want to throw out the baby of market capitalism with the bathwater of crony capitalism. Keep capitalism and regulate the cronyism. By the by, how is Obama doing on regulating crony capitalism for his personal campaign contributors????
I would guess not well, since the majority of politicians seem to be lap dogs of the 1%. Was that supposed to sting?
Thanks for a great phrase that succinctly summarizes the situation most of us are in. I had thought the same thing, thanks for saying it.
You shift the subject from remedies to blame of the rich. How can you expect to engage the wealthy people in this country to do more by stigmatizing them. All public instruction is paid for by production. Government produces nothing.
“How can you expect to engage the wealthy people in this country to do more by stigmatizing them.”
Perhaps by instilling “grit” in them. Aids in digestion, you know!
Well, Harlan, how do we pay for our failure to educate poor children adequately now? I’m thinking that a lot of them populate our prisons. If that is the case, perhaps investing on the front end might make some sense. I know, big ifs, but we have tried 20+ years of test and punish by withdrawing resources. Perhaps we should flesh out some alternative strategies.
I agree, but WHAT “alternative strategies”? Teachers have to start thinking about real solutions if they are to be taken seriously.
I’m thinking that a lot of people have suggested that shifts in policy would means shifts in funding. In other words, put your money where your mouth is. If you are so worried about education, then fund it equitably at least. I am suggesting a long term rethinking of our incarceration philosophy, which is connected to jobs. We have removed almost all sources of gainful employment from our poor, urban population leaving them as the drug distribution (and prostitution network) for any and all. That way we can blame them for the vices of everyone. Not many white suburban kids end up in prison for drug dealing, but I’ll bet you that the big money for drugs is not coming from the ghetto.
I am far from a policy expert, but I do know that we won’t survive as a “republic” if we don’t rethink our substitution of free market idolatry and all of its accoutrements for democratic principles.
Now there I think you are completely off, and why the greater society dismisses teachers’ economics. Replace free market principles with democracy. That’s just meaningless words, and, in any case, it can never happen unless you want tyranny by the majority.
Rethink, please.
H-m-m-m. I never looked at capitalism as a system of government. I always favored some form of democracy. Is that really what you believe, Harlan?
This whole grit meme now resounding in the Ed Deform Echo Chamber derives from the basic belief system that the elites have. A central tenet of that belief system is that they are where they are because of their innate superiority, their character. If people want to get where they are, all they have to do is toughen up, work hard, have grit.
This is an article of faith in the cult to which the members of the U.S. oligarchy belong. This faith is shared, or at least echoed, by the sycophants and toadies who long for admission among the elect.
I have a reading assignment for these guys: Kurt Vonnegut’s The Sirens of Titan. It’s about this very thing, about a plutocrat who is convinced that he is where he is solely because of his superior character, his resourcefulness and grit. It’s an amusing read.
I’m not in support of this grit stuff but I just ran to order that book on my Nook! Thanks for the reading suggestion.
Indeed, an amusing, but tendentious read.
Bob Shepherd: thank you for, with some others on this thread, constantly dragging this discussion—despite the moans and groans of some—back to Planet Reality.
The arguments of some folks, protestations to the contrary or not, can only exist in the hothouse atmosphere of RheeWorld.
So without wasting time on secondary and tertiary figures, let’s go right to a prime source of rheephorm logic and facts. Gaze, ye heathens, with wonder at how Mr.”It’s Not Who You Know But What You Know” himself, Secretary of Education Arne Duncan, during his recent descent into Los Angeles, handles all sides of the nature/nurture/grit/bootstrap dilemma:
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He added that he constantly fights assertions that impoverished children cannot succeed, and said that giving them the intensive academic support, enrichment activities and social services common among their more affluent peers will prove otherwise.
“This community and these young people are going to help prove to the country what children who weren’t born with a silver spoon in their mouth can do if we give them opportunities,” Duncan said. “If we want to close the achievement gap, we need to close the opportunity gap.”
[end quote]
Link: http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-0320-duncan-visit-20140320,0,5703752.story#axzz2wje5MkVq
Rheetorically, there’s something here for everyone, from “give poor students the same choices and opportunities as rich students” to “them that’s got grit will get with the program” as well as “the deserving poor will have a shot at success” and “affluent children will get a pass and whatever else they want” and on and on. In political terms, the leading Dems and Repubs and Tea Party folks on the charterite/privatization bandwagon of $tudent $ucce$$ will find something to like, especially with the half-expressed escape clauses that they think absolve them of actually providing a “better education for all” and well resourced local public schools as well as the opposite like advantaging charters over public schools and demonizing teachers and abandoning the ‘uneducables’ and ‘non-strivers’ and so on.
But back to a virtuoso at work…
This is on a par with his adroit performance at the 2013 American Educational Research Association meeting where he lambasted critics of his promotion of high-stakes standardized testing for not getting testing right [?!?!?] while simultaneously being somewhat for/somewhat against/somewhat for&against said standardized tests. Has anyone ever seen such flexibility in a vertebrate before?
Link: https://www.ed.gov/news/speeches/choosing-right-battles-remarks-and-conversation
It’s all smoke and mirrors. And I remind you, sir, that even the most ardent charterites/privatizers on this blog have yet to make the argument that there exists, or could exist, a high-stakes standardized test that will determine to a mathematical precision the grit and determination of any and every one. Of course, once they realize that they’ve staked out the position that such qualities literally have an independent life of their own and, like intelligence, can be precisely measured because they “rheeally exist in rheeality” — well, remember the old song “Ain’t no stopping us now”? [Luther Vandross & others] I shudder to think of the responses that might follow…
But here on Planet Reality, in all seriousness, a truly thoughtful comment on this whole posting that appears as the epigraph to Stephen Jay Gould’s THE MISMEASURE OF MAN:
“If the misery of our poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” [Charles Darwin]
Indeed.
😎
“Truly, this earth is a trophy cup for the industrious man. And this rightly so, in the service of natural selection. He who does not possess the force [grit] to secure his Lebensraum in this world, and, if necessary, to enlarge it, does not deserve to possess the necessities of life. He must step aside and allow stronger peoples to pass him by.”
Guess who wrote that? It was not Charles Darwin, btw, who was one of the most gentle souls who ever walked the good Earth.
Futile argument. Wraparound is the answer. How do you propose the society pay for it? That’s the only and only real question.
Thank you Bob, this is what I have been, perhaps clumsily, trying to say. This, if allowed to be the dominant thought, will continue to erode any sense of empathy or community among us. Ayn Rand’s philosophy is the embodiment of this notion. I find this a most revolting cult belief that is gaining prominence.
The EdVisions schools have been promoting compassion, project based learning, teacher empowerment, persistance and”grit” for more than a decade.
http://www.edvisions.com/custom/SplashPage.asp
Some of the schools have teacher majorities running the schools, setting school policies and deciding salaries and other working conditions, along with promoting project based learning and “grit.”
These include urban, rural and suburban public schools.
Fascinating, Joe. As I said above, grit can mean a couple of very different things.
Agreed, Bob.
Thanks for the link. I think most ed reformers love the idea of teacher-led schools. Most of the charters I’m most familiar with are very much teacher-led.
I think that’s what makes me angriest when people refer to “corporate” charter schools run by hedge fund managers, etc. It’s so far from the truth that it would almost be laughable outside the echo chamber.
Almost every charter school is founded and run by someone who was excellent in the classroom and saw the opportunity to build a great team of teachers around them and open a great school.
JPR – as I’ve noted, about 2/3 of charters are independent, not part of any non-profit or for-profit group.
I am intrigued, jpr, by what you are saying here. Bear in mind that most of the people on this blog are public school teachers. And what THEY see of education deform is extrinsic reward and punishment systems and the usurping of teacher authority and a relentless drive toward standardization and scripting of everything that teachers do. To public school teachers, that’s what Ed Deform looks like. That’s their lived experience of it.
I get that, Bob. I think education “deform”, as many of you call it, is more complex than you give it credit for being.
I started a charter school because I knew that kids in my community could be doing better than they were and that school wasn’t expecting enough from them nor providing what they needed.
I suppose that makes me the enemy on these pages because it seems nobody here can speak the words charter school without thinking they’re about privatization and ending teacher protections. There are certainly conservatives that support charter schools for that reason, but by and large, the people on the ground running the schools and teaching the kids aren’t those people.
In my school, we try to make every single decision be about what is in the best interests of our kids. Since we have less regulation and no District to report to, we basically get to do that as long as we are getting results and therefore keep our charter.
Building level control is awesome. Our team makes decisions and changes constantly in response to how our students are doing. Administration is focused on helping our teachers be the best that they can be. They work hard to take administrative tasks off their plates so that they can focus on developing the best lessons and delivering them as best they can, while further developing their craft. More experienced teachers mentor less experienced ones. They do peer video lesson reviews (not for evaluation, just for improvement). Lots of coaching and development resources are available to those who want them, and yes, forced on those who need them.
Nobody tells us exactly what to do as long as we’re delivering student growth (with the exception of district-developed IEPs, which frequently proscribe exactly what we have to do in excruciating detail regardless of what might work best).
I honestly believe that the current crap being inflicted on District education is happening because there is no bottom up leadership that is focused on what schools need to accomplish. It feels to me like unions, representing the profession, overplayed their hands at avoiding taking responsibility for evolving the profession to adapt to kids who are not coming to school ready to learn and not getting the support that they need at home. The result is terrible mishmashes of political interests creating teacher evaluation plans when teachers and their unions should have developed these plans themselves.
I hope there is a way that we can navigate from where we are now, which I think is untenable, to a place that is better for all involved. I think accountability can be the vehicle for that. You can’t expect results from someone and then tell them exactly what to do. If they don’t get the outcome you expect, is it because they didn’t execute your instructions correctly or because your instructions were wrong?
Teachers want greater flexibility and control to do what they know is best. I think the way to get that is to take more responsibility for outcomes (and granted, perhaps that starts with agreeing on which outcomes). But, the profession seems to be fighting this in every way possible. I think the micro managing that is coming down from the top is happening because the tools don’t exist to work together.
Except at many charter schools. And I’m back to where I started ;-).
Maybe someday we can stop engaging in discussions about what teachers are against and start talking about what they are for. What would an ideal system that did it’s best to prepare students for productive, choice-filled lives look like?
With that vision in mind, do you think it would be easier to accomplish by starting a charter school or by changing District education? I couldn’t figure out any way to do the latter.
Great piece. I don’t dismiss the potential effect of grit on children’s educational growth. But that alone doesn’t help children get out of economic hardship unless they have good support. Not does it solve the chronic system of inequality that produces and reproduces the history of poverty. Giving thousands of CLEED students adequate resources and support under an appropriate schooling is far more better than Waiting For Superman–um,, I mean, one genius person becoming suddenly rich a few years after her/his brainpower began to work for successful academic achievement. This is not America in the 50s or 60s. I really wonder if Dr.Duckworth knows we are living in the time when government keeps giving taxcuts to corporations, slashing public pensions and works, and funneling billions of tax dollars to Education Industrial Deform Complex.
So, your financing remedy is . . . ?
Tax the riches, corporations,charter owners, and TFAs.
Is that the answer you want?
Nope, but it just shows me there’s more work to do in the way of economic education. So many wonderful teachers and their supporters who have a clear idea of what would really help, have only a murky idea of how to finance it. It’s too easy to say, tax, tax, tax more. Perhaps it is unrealistic of people who know about education to know what would really work in a totally different field, macroeconomics.
Even though it is an inconvenient fact, I’m honestly surprised that in 114 comments so far no one has mentioned that Duckworth has collaborated with one of those Lakeside / Sidwell / Dalton-style elite private schools, one that places an enormous emphasis on character education: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/18/magazine/what-if-the-secret-to-success-is-failure.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
I’m told we are an unlovely nation because not every child can have access to a luxury product like the education at Riverdale Country School ($43,600 for tuition and fees this year, 80% of its families receive no financial aid). Yet when a researcher studies and attempts to scale up what Riverdale considers to be an essential part of its mission, she is called a eugenicist and accused of A. preparing children for a lifetime of authoritarian control and/or B. whitewashing minority cultures. You’d better have a high-powered microscope when threading that needle!
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I am visiting my aged ailing mom who wondered why my ears were turning red as I read an article. I said it’s a draft by the DOE about kids’ p.s. education, I’ll just tell you the title: “Promoting Grit, Tenacity, and Perseverance.” She can barely talk these days but she muttered: “1932.”
Duckworth’s good work does not exist in a vacuum. By title & subject alone it will be connected by offal such as this DOE draft, which pushes all the buttons– a political echo-chamber encompassing Alger et al 19thc. lore to immigrant mythology to Depression nostalgia, hence applicable to our current unemployment & lack of middle-class job opportunity– picks apart the obvious connection between abject beginnings & hope (through opportunity) to better one’s condition into a 5-pt-skill formula for success. Then cynically uses modern ed-psych to isolate each skill & suggest how it might be converted to drill-&-kill lesson plans.
Which then get picked up by Gates & Co. & converted to a consumable measuring device (the wrist-monitor which tells you how well the wrist-wearer is able to defer gratification while working academic drills).
The irony in all this, to me, is that the message trickling down to public schools from the ed-deformers is the opposite of striving to overcome intermediate obstacles in the noble pursuit of long-term goals. The ed-deformers have promulgated yearly standardized tests in their haste: show me NOW that you are learning what I say you must learn THIS YEAR, & if you haven’t learned it, your teachers will be fired & your schools closed & good luck getting admitted at some charter school which may help you, or may be closed if they don’t get enough enrollment to be profitable…
Yes, a terrible, terrible irony
Anyone who reads that USDE report without being chilled by it should not be allowed within a mile radius of a school. I am quite serious about that. It’s one of the most frightening things I have ever read. Oh, the banality of evil.
Best, S&F, to your Mom
The classic test for gritfulness is the marshmallow test. A child is put into a room with some marshmallows and must put off eating them in order to get, at a latter time, some larger reward. There are many variations on this sort of delayed gratification experiment.
Think of that person you know who has a Type A personality. His or her work is an obsession. This person has “grit” in spades. He or she can pass the classic marshmallow test for gritfulness easily. He or she can put off that gratification–the time with his or her family, vacation, leisure activity, learning to salsa dance or to play the guitar, whatever–because one thing and one thing only matters: the work, the big payday later on.
It is not at all surprising that such a person would think that the most important of traits is grit–defined, as in the classic marshmallow test used by grit researchers, as the ability to put off immediate gratification and maintain focus on pursuit of a long-term goal.
Now, if you are such a person, and you are in a position of power–if a lot of underlings report to you–you also want them to have grit–to put off that time with their families or that time watching the game and get the report on your desk by Monday morning.
Or perhaps your underlings do repetitive, demeaning, servile, mind-numbing tasks and you want them to have the grit to persevere in those tasks despite their alienation from them.
In each of these cases, this grit stuff sounds pretty darned good to you. So, it’s not surprising that “grit” has become a popular meme in the oligarchical echo chamber.
It’s easy enough for something positive–the ability to carry through, to take adversity and opposition in stride–to become a horror, to take the form, for example, of a) obsessive compulsive striving, lack of balance, ruthlessness, disregard for everything and everyone who gets in the way or b) of obedient resignation to personal alienation.
There are people to whom the notion of grit is appealing because they want to encourage others to set goals for themselves and carry through to achieve those. These people think of grit as personal fortitude in service of one’s OWN goals or dreams.
There are others to whom the notion of grit is appealing a) because they want others to be as obsessive compulsive as they are or b) because they want the people who work for them to stop complaining and work harder. Those with the “b” idea do a lot of talking about grit being an important 21st-century workforce skill because everyone knows, or thinks he or she knows, that in the 21st century, income and wealth equality will continue to increase and most of the available jobs will be low-level service positions that involve wearing a nametag and saying “Yes sir. Immediately sir.”
These are two very different notions about what “grit” means.
This national conversation about grit isn’t occurring in a vacuum. It’s taking place in an era of unprecedented wealth and income inequality in our country. And grit is being spoken of loudly and frequently by the same folks who want to centralize authority over education, to standardize and regiment education, to steal away building-level teacher and administrator autonomy and subject teachers and students to distant, centralized command and control.
Much of the talk about grit is coming members of the oligarchy, from plutocrats and their sycophants.
jpr has expressed, here, his shock and surprise that anyone would be troubled by the sudden emergence of the grit meme.
I hope that he or she understand that a bit better now.
When a plutocrat says, we need to teach grit so we can beat those Asians (see Jeb Bush’s comment mentioned earlier), it’s quite natural for thinking people to infer that he is talking equating grit not with tenacity in pursuit of one’s own goals, however those might be defined, but saying, rather, we need to make these people stop complaining and work harder because, you know, at root, the proles are just lazy and coddled, and that coddling needs to stop.
In short, grit is not a good in itself. The question must always be, “Grit to what end?”
But the oligarchs don’t approve of having the proles ask questions.
What I do not see on the KIPP grit evaluation form linked to on Dr. Duckworth’s website is this question:
Does the child evaluate the task and determine whether it is worth doing? Does he or she have the self-interest, the drive, the determination, the tenacity, the perseverance in pursuit of his or her own goals to do THAT?
Interesting omission.
Hear, hear. Everything should be considered in light of to what end. Not that I mind anyone having resourcefulness and perseverance in this case I think first it is with children of a cushy upbringing that the grit dispositions should be engendered as “doing without”, which fosters grit, is the privilege they have not been accorded.
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The child who has learned that rewards don’t come as promised is wise to take the marshmallow. The bird in the hand as opposed to the one in the bush.
He or she has learned a kind of grit, how to have the grit to ignore the rule and take what’s actually available while he or she can get it.
It’s mind-blowing to me that these psychologists studying grit don’t grok that. There must be a pretty low bar for becoming a psychologist these days.
The short story writer in me is, naturally, imagining a tale involving one of these children and a famed grit researcher undergoing a trial, together, of true grit. Rod Serling would have done a great job with that premise, I think, in one of his little morality plays.
I never thought of it this way before, but I delayed eating that second marshmellow for several years on the promise of another one (a full time teaching position). Silly me.
Yes, Bob…the grit to ignore the rule…the grit to challenge…the grit to question…the kind of grit it takes to be an original thinker…this is the grit that nedsnto be cultivated. Great post.
Differences in family income have very little to do with racial differences in educational achievement. For example the black-white gap in SAT scores is about the same at all family income levels. White children from families with income below $20,000 score have a SAT average of 978 while black children from families with income over $200,000 score an average of 981. White children from families with family incomes between $20,000 and $40,000 average 995.
The most important factor influencing success in our society is genetic endowment. Not only IQ but personality traits such as “grit” have a substantial genetic component.
Jim,
I find your comments offensive and racist. Please stop posting comments about race and IQ.
One thing we agree on ;-).
Let me just add that academic IQ is not necessarily a guarantee to success in academics or life in general. There are factors other than IQ that influence scores and careers. I know plenty of people in my life wth very high IQs but who are not so successful in their personal lives and careers. Conversely, I know people whose IQs are average or below average and they thrive because they have great social skills, work hard, persist, are mindful of others, etc . . . .
There is no magic formula, nor does there have to be.
I would also think that emotional IQ is under-explored . . . .
Dr. Duckworth describes herself as someone who studies noncognitive human ability. This is an important area of research. However, the use of the term “non-cognitive” should raise a BIG red flag. People need to be careful about the a priori categories that they think in when they formulate research programs. That kid who is subject of the marshmallow experiment is applying cognitive processes to his or her assessment of the situation.
Jim, at this point, I’m convinced that you say this ludicrous, uninformed, racist crap not because you believe it but because you wish to provoke a reaction. I have posted study after study for you of the mutability of IQ, of epigenetic effects on IQ, and of aptitude scores and the lack of scientific foundation for significant racial component. That has gotten old. This is a conversation that is OVER for thinking people. It’s no longer 1943. Go back to reading your Rasse und Selle or your Bund organizing or whatever it is that you do and leave us in peace.
Bob and Diane, we agree that fortunately the vast majority of the US and the vast majority of reputable scientists agree: race is not a predictor of IQ.
Race is not even a viable scientific concept. There is more variability, genetic and otherwise, within racial groups than there is, on average, across them.
Wow. I’m still speechless. Just can’t believe some people still buy into the myth of eugenics that have been already disproved by many scientists and humanists years ago…
As for example: Dr. Ben Carson, Allen West, Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, and Condolezza Rice etc. etc.
(No, no, no, that’s not what I meant. Those black folks are all CONSERVATIVE, so they obviously can’t have any brains in their heads. Only liberals are really smart, like the people on this blog.)
Harlan, there are people of all political stripes on this blog (and every other conceivable design). I hope you are doing well, Bob.
Harlan…you might make a better point if you named Cornel West, Dr. Bell, Thurgood Marshall, Richard Wright, Langston Hughes, Tom Bradley, and of course Dr. King…but you seem to only admire people of color who demonstrate they think as you do.
Clarence Thomas is an embarrassment and should never been appointed to SCOTUS. And if you or I had cheated on our taxes as he did/does, we would be hounded by the IRS. But he and Ginny seem to get overlooked by that governement agency as they claim her huge salary in leadership of Tea Party activities is not taxable income.
I really wonder about any students that you instructed…they surely were exposed to destructive bias.
Ellen,
Harlan taught in the private schools so it’s a safe bet he never worked with a classroom full of kids who came from a barrio riddled with poverty and dominated by violent street gangs.
It’s arguable that Harlan’s view of the world is seen through a biased lens that distorts everything through a blur and it isn’t his fault that he is so ignorant of the rest of the world that doesn’t match his own experiences.