Tom Loveless wrote an article criticizing OECD for allowing Shanghai to exclude the children of migrants from PISA testing, thus artificially boosting their scores. His article hit a hornet’s nest.
Loveless writes:
Andreas Schleicher of OECD-PISA wrote a response to my essays, as did Dr. Zhang Minxuan, President of Shanghai Normal University. Marc Tucker, President and CEO of the National Center on Education and the Economy, joined Mr. Schleicher in publishing a third response in Education Week.
Here he responds to the critics.
Please read his valuable analysis of the critiques.
Here are his conclusions:
Recommendations and Conclusion
These convoluted explanations place PISA’s integrity at risk.
I now elaborate upon my previous recommendation. The PISA Governing Board, the governing authority responsible for PISA’s adherence to basic standards of assessment, should commission an independent panel to investigate and report on the OECD-PISA’s arrangement with China. Evidence should include: all solicitations of participation in PISA that were made to Chinese provinces–and their responses; all correspondence and agreements regarding sampling and the reporting of PISA scores, whether the agreements were made with the central government in Beijing or provincial authorities; and a full review of the substance and quality of data that were collected throughout China in 2009 and 2012. All data previously collected should be released so that independent scholars can conduct secondary analyses and verify conclusions publicized over the past several years.
In the meantime, the ever changing story of PISA’s special arrangement with China continues to cast doubt on the trustworthiness of PISA.
A December 18, 2013 CNN interview featured Andreas Schleicher and two other guests. The discussion took place in Shanghai. Mr. Schleicher stated, “There is no question that rural schools in China do better than similar schools almost anywhere else in the world.”
The secret rural data are alive again! And, we are told, although we will never have a chance to see them, that there is no question what the data reveal.
The only Chinese educator on the panel objected to Mr. Schleicher’s assertion and argued that rural schools in China are under-resourced and in terrible condition. Mr. Schleicher would not hear of it, responding, “If you are at a disadvantaged school in China, your chance to succeed is much greater than in much of the rest of the world.”
Shanghai is back to being representative of China, the secret data have been resurrected, wild assertions about overcoming disadvantage in China are being promoted, and, once again, hukou and the plight of migrant children go unnoticed.
China has a long way to go in reforming hukou. And the OECD has a long way to go in reforming PISA.

Why do we take the word of Shanghai, China, or any country for that matter? I’m not even sure the results from the US are accurate. Certain states jerry-rig their results, such as by holding back students in early grades until they can pass the third or fourth grade assessments. And sometimes for more than one year. Even individual schools are suspect. I can’t even say the things I’ve witnessed.
Another reason to question the value of all this testing.
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Singapore also excludes the children of migrants, but it’s because the children of low-wage guest workers are not allowed in the country and not part of Singapore’s educational system. This is not the only reason Singapore does well on tests, but it does make comparisons to other countries difficult.
http://www.nctm.org/publications/article.aspx?id=32956
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The PISA explanation of the Shanghai results sure looked fishy. I wonder if Gates’ money reaches there, or perhaps the Chinese billionaire boys’ club.
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Tis all mental masturbation, folks! Mental masturbation that reinforces the meme that we can “measure the inmeasurable”, that the complexities of the teaching learning process can be reduced to a few numbers, that all countries have the same rationale and goals for education.
The insanity of it all. We’re #1, We’re #1 hooray, #1 in mental masturbation.
As Wilson states in “Educational Standards and the Problem of Error”:
“It requires AN ENORMOUS SUSPENSION OF RATIONAL THINKING TO BELIEVE that the best way to describe the complexity of any human achievement, any person’s skill in a complex field of human endeavour, is with a number that is determined by the number of test items they got correct. Yet so conditioned are we THAT IT TAKES A FEW MINUTES OF STRICT LOGICAL REFLECTION TO APPRECIATE THE ABSURDITY of this.
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Duane Swacker-
You seem to have a fixation with the M word, as well as Wilson’s “Educational Standards and the Problem of Error”. Are you needing some time for mindfulness.
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Depends what you mean by “mindfulness”!!
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Duane has a fixation with “TAGO” . . . .
(Estoy bromeando, Senor. Yo proveo un poquito de tonteria acqui, verdad?)
🙂
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Some comments from New Zealand about Andreas Schleicher: http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/07/28/education-do-we-want-ingenuity-and-freedom-or-standardisation-and-control/
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Schleicher appears at a lot of these Gates-sponsored conferences and TED talks. In this one he and the interviewer seem to be talking past each other. http://youtu.be/4UPBGMQMUUo
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The “video” looks like it came from the fifties. Check out the stylish hair and outfit of the moderator. Also the old style phone. Oh, and I loved her comment about TFAs being our best teachers coming from our best schools. (With a 2.5 GPA). Damn those veteran teachers with their experience. What kind if education did they get?
Everything he said is against the focus of today’s ed reformers.
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I have just finished reading Tom Loveless’s devastating and apparently extremely well documented article on the Brookings page that Diane Ravitch presents an excerpt of above.
Obviously Mr. Tucker, the CEO of an advocacy organization, cannot be expected to be objective (one would like to know what exactly is the nature of his relationship with PISA in the first place), but Andreas Schleicher also appears highly compromised. What a shame that PISA, so potentially useful, should be dishonored in this way.
I applaud China for trying to solve its problems and I have confidence that it can do so — it must do so – just as we must address ours — but it looks like honesty and reality have been victims here. PISA should never have allowed the statistics of single cities to be measured against those of countries in the first place. At the very least it seems like a lapse in judgment. There ought to be an investigation into how this has happened.
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“What a shame that PISA, so potentially useful. . .”
In what way(s) can PISA be potentially useful?
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Reblogged this on Transparent Christina.
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PISA is so deeply flawed on methodological and theoretical grounds that this sort of criticism amounts to pointing out that the color of a malignant skin tumor is just a bit too dark when compared to the other skin tumors on a dying cancer patient. China is not Shanghai. Hong Kong, Singapore, and Lichtenstein are effectively tiny tiny single metropolitan regions and don’t do much better than Massachusetts. Why should nations on continental scale and with populations in the 100s of millions be compared to other nations smaller than Los Angeles? Why compare nations with radically different educational systems at all?
Oranges are not apples, but I suppose they are both fruits. Zebras look a little like donkeys, so what the hell, let’s compare which ones make better asses. The debates and ranking systems at least keep bureaucrats employed and enjoying a nice jet-set lifestyle. There is indeed a crisis in critical thinking … and it is in its fullest flower in the reports of these large organizations. Good thing there aren’t any real world consequences for this nonsense. Oh, wait …
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The now defunct social liberal clowns of the 20th Century that claimed a market economy was a non-ideological system, were completely wrong. The hell, waste, and inhumanity of a call center or trading desk, is what made these people wealthy, marriageable, and egotistical. They see it as the natural order between humans and want to apply it to everything in our lives. Without proper tax rates for the upper classes, they are free to buy governments and rearrange society in their cubicle business images. What the numbers measure is not important as opposed to the ability to create a faux monopoly market environment and control.
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TAGO, Ted, TAGO!
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“The only Chinese educator on the panel objected to Mr. Schleicher’s assertion and argued that rural schools in China are under-resourced and in terrible condition. Mr. Schleicher would not hear of it, responding, “If you are at a disadvantaged school in China, your chance to succeed is much greater than in much of the rest of the world.”
Someone please tell Mr. Moron Schleicher that I’ll personally pass on deferring to China as a model of a society with compassion, dignity, and humanism.
Thanks, but no thanks. Who cares if what he is saying is true, if it’s true.
Economic distress and under-resourcing do not let anyone – successful or not – off the hook for improving the situation to what it should be.
China’s “communist”, corrupt, reckelessly free market, fascist, police state, plutocratic system, as a role model, Mr. Idiot Scheicher?
I really don’t think so . . . . . . .
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And one more thing:
If Mr. Schlock Schlepp Schleicher really thinks China is such a neat place to gain advantages in distressed urban and rural regions, then let’s all do a fund raiser to sent him there permanently so that he (and family if he has one) can ex-patriate there and live the life he extolls to others here in the States . . . .
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I’ll sent the first last five dollars from my “over inflated” paycheck.
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Campbell’s Law: “The more any quantitative social indicator is used for social decision- making, the more subject it will be to corruption pressures and the more apt it will be to distort and corrupt the social processes it is intended to monitor.”
High PISA rankings are important to movers and shakers in many countries. Hence the top-down pressure to guarantee the best results possible is immense. The key is to massage and torture the numbers generated so that they are both as big and [seemingly] unobjectionable as possible.
And when the whole edifice is built on the quicksand foundations of standardized testing—
Caveat emptor!
😎
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Ha ha well ” we can’t fire our way to finland” now…..bummer
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Mexico has a GDP per capita of $15,000 and China’s is $9,000. And I believe Mexico is near dead last in PISA and has been for years.
There’s a whole lot more to wealth than ‘education’.
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