Education was mentioned several times in the debate, yet got very little attention.
President Obama mentioned Race to the Top three times (at the Democratic convention, neither he nor Arne Duncan mentioned it even once). He claimed it was already showing results. I wish Romney had asked him what the results are. The President seems to think that the fact that states have adopted the Common Core standards shows that reform is working, but it will be years before their effects will be known. Might be good, might not. No one knows.
The President has this strange belief that Race to the Top was not top down, but that’s simply not the case. To qualify for the $5 billion in federal funds, states had to agree to meet specific federal requirements, such as evaluating teachers by their students’ test scores and opening more privately managed charter schools.
Many teachers know Race to the Top as a singular disaster for children and for their profession. The Chicago strike was a revolt in part against Race to the Top’s punitive ideas.
Not surprising that Romney sort of praised both Arne Duncan and Race to the Top, since Duncan has made it his mission to placate the nation’s most conservative governors. But by the same token, large numbers of teachers dislike Duncan and may not vote because of this administration’s fondness for placating governors who are hostile to teachers, like Chris Christie.
Obama said nothing about the attacks on unions and on teachers. It seems both candidates love teachers as long as they compete for a bonus and don’t have tenure.
Romney boasted that Massachusetts has the best schools in the nation, but didn’t mention that he had nothing to do with their success.
The Massachusetts reforms were passed by the Legislature ten years before Romney became Governor in 2003. The reforms doubled state funding of public education from $1.3 billion in 1993 to $2.6 billion by 2000; provided a minimum foundation budget for every district; committed to develop strong curricula for subjects such as science, history, the arts, foreign languages, mathematics, and English; implemented a new testing program; expanded professional development for teachers; and tested would-be teachers. In the late 1990s, again before Romney assumed office, the state added new funds for early childhood education.
So, yes, the Massachusetts reforms were costly, but Romney has no plans to fund anything new other than charters and vouchers, which were not part of his state’s academic success.
All in all, the little that was said about education by the candidates was empty rhetoric, disconnected from reality and offering no real change from the failed policies of the past decade.

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Fact check on Romney…Massachusetts has not been ranked #1 in ed in 4 years…Maryland is #1 http://www.edweek.org/ew/qc/2012/16src.h31.html
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If you look only at NAEP scores of math and reading in 4th and 8th grades, Massachusetts leads the nation, and is well ahead of Maryland.
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Mitt Romney keeps patting himself on the back with his Massachusetts schools are the best in the country.
Yet here is the truth: In 2011, “50 percent of all Massachusetts students [in grade 4] scored Proficient or above [on reading], substantially higher than the national average of 32 percent and higher than in 2009 (47 percent).” National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) exam
Romney was governor before the state even reached the 47 percent mark.
Yes: “Over the past two decades, African American and Hispanic students in Massachusetts have made particularly significant strides on the NAEP exams. In 2011, Hispanic students scored an average of 216 in Grade 4 Reading, a 20-point increase since 1992 that narrowed the gap with white students during that time from 34 to 27 points. Likewise in mathematics, Hispanic students made a 39-point gain since 1992 at grade 4 (from 197 to 236) and a 34-point gain at grade 8 (from 239 in 1992 to 273 in 2011). Over that time, the gap between Hispanic and white students closed in mathematics from 34 points in 1992 to 22 points in 2011 at grade 4; and from 38 points to 31 points at grade 8.”
http://www.mass.gov/governor/pressoffice/pressreleases/2011/11111-naeps-results-released.html
But consider that even with these advances the levels that they reach are still below 60 percent in math and reading. Nowhere near the 100 percent mark set by No Child Left Behind. No wonder why Massachussets asked for a waiver from NCLB. They can’t meet the standards!
Romney touts being the best of the worst. A great choice of leader for a country that is supposed to represent the best of the best.
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That is unfair. Massachusetts has outstanding results on NAEP. It is not “the best of the worst,” unless you think the whole US education system is rotten (I don’t). NAEP has far higher standards than state standards. Reaching proficient on NAEP is difficult. You should take the test before you sneer at a state where half the students have reached proficient.
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My comment was unfair. I am not a fan of–though of course am not surprised by–the fact that Romney is saying unequivocally his education agenda was successful. Were they successful by the standards set in NCLB? That’s a policy he supported.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mitt-romney-strongly-supported-no-child-left-behin
There is still much more work to be done even in that state, no?
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Should we as a nation not be striving for a larger percentage than half on the NAEP? Is 50 percent a mark of success? Granted I have not taken the NAEP. But if we don’t plan on using the NAEP as an assessment tool of how well we as a nation are educating the students, and we use instead the lower standards set by the state, is that not lowering the standards effectively? I guess I’m asking the wrong questions because this all presupposes that what is on the test is indicative of a proficient student, and of course it is if anything a reflection of preparation for the test. If we make NAEP the standard to which we reach, it will just continue the teaching to the test model that has been encouraged. But shouldnt Romney who believes in standardized testing want to then use what is by many considered the gold standard? I guess Romney is only interested in tests as long as the numbers will make him look good. The math would require quite a bit of explanation if he said that only 50 percent of the students are performing on the proficient level.
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The Massachusetts reforms were passed by the Legislature ten years before Romney became Governor in 2003.
Sandra Stotsky was involved and claims the curricular improvements were inspired by E. D. Hirsch (of Core Knowledge), but they avoided giving him credit for fear of a teacher backlash.
This alleged need for stealth in pursuing the nation’s most successful statewide reforms certainly complicates the process of drafting model legislation and providing appropriate bibliographic citations, etc. Perhaps there is no (viable) alternative to ALEC from the political left because there is no agreement on what to do.
All this while Secretary Clinton tells the United Nations that the Obama administration protects the rights of schoolchildren…
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Romney’s already said he’d cut federal aid to hire teachers, and his campaign said that he thinks teachers, firefighters and cops should all lose jobs. Compared to that anti-education statement, and with Obama’s support of aid to higher education, I can overlook Race to the Top (at least until I get Arne Duncan in a classroom with 40 7th graders).
Too bad they didn’t talk more about education, because Romney looks even worse the longer he goes. No one concerned about better education has a scintilla of evidence that Romney would be better for the nation on the issue.
But, yes, Race to the Top must go.
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Unfortunately Obama & Romney both push “market” model for education. Romney so on steroid. Meanwhile Romney does not recognize any “common good” while Obama gets the concept of the social contract. Hope Obama will get sameness of Medicare vouchers & school vouchers. Both privatizing the public goods.
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LOVE teachers, hate unions and tenure. Let’s pay our teachers better and get better results from our students. Too few are graduating without basic skills to make them employable.
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Why do you hate unions? And public school teachers do not have “tenure”, they have due process rights (DPR) after a specified period of successfully teaching (five here in the Show Me State). It is extremely easy for an administrator to get rid of a DPR teacher if they so choose. I’ve seen it done many times.
One teacher was being hounded for having to many students fail his math classes, even though he showed the administration that the students that were failing were not doing the work. Can’t have students failing as it makes the “numbers look bad”. He was set up to be let go for insubordination. How? He was told he had to contact every parent every time that a student had an incomplete or missing assignment. Well considering that in math there are usually assignments given everyday that was a physical impossibility. But he was then considered insubordinate for not following the principal’s directions. He decided to find employment in another district to prevent not being rehired. Yes, even with due process rights it’s very easy to “get rid of” a teacher that the administrator doesn’t like.
I know, as I’ve been subjected to that treatment with the administrators lying about what I did, including attempting to have an assistant principal file false sexual harassment charges against me (luckily for me she was a strong enough person and refused as she knew it was bogus). Yes, I chose to leave so as to be able to continue teaching and to not give them the pleasure of abusing and bullying me (yes bullying is the best word to describe some administrator’s behavior). And the almighty union did basically nothing except have a witness in the meetings so as to prevent the administrator from lying again and again and again. They actually “counseled” me to look for a different district in which to teach as they were all about “go along to get along” instead of challenging the absurd behavior of the district’s administration.
Trevor, obviously you are not a teacher and if you are you must be a TFAer type.
By the way the fundamental purpose of public education has nothing to do with providing employers with ready made clones. No, “too few are[n’t] graduating without basic skills to make them employable”. What you’ve said is pure bovine excrement right wing AM talk radio/Faux news bashing points.
A second by the way, the vast majority of teachers did not become teachers to make a boatload of money, they were hoping to make a decent living and have a decent retirement and are not and never have been motivated by money. And the few that are motivated by money teach for a few years and become administrators.
Begone troll, begone!
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Thanks for the morning chuckle, Duane! I needed that!
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Teachers do not have tenure; they are usually “at will” for two or three years and then they get due process rights just as city librarians and firefighters do. Over 50% of all teachers quit (or do not have their contracts renewed) during the first five years of employment, making teaching the most self-selective of all the professions, by far.
As for unions, the states (and countries) with the strongest unions have the best education for their students, perhaps because unions defend teachers who are the primary advocates for children, along with parents.
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Hey Trevor,
Did you literally cut and paste your hoary cliches about your “LOVE” for teachers directly from Michelle Rhee or someone like her, or have you just heard it so much that you’re now able to repeat this vapid nonsense all on your own?
If you “LOVE” teachers why would you “hate” their organization that gives them some small degree of dignity and protection against unfair firings? And why would you be against due process–which is actually what “tenure” refers to in any pre-college institution—when a school or district attempts to throw someone out of their job?
Also, do you have equal contempt for ALL unions, including police, fire, actors and athletes, or just educators?
Saying I “LOVE” (yeah, right) teachers but “hate unions and tenure” is like saying I “LOVE Jews but I hate Synagogues, Passover and Rosh Hashanah. Get real. And stop posing.
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I was hoping Obama would remind Romney that Mass. spends over 18k per student, more than twice what the low achieving southern states spend. The whole ed part of the debate made me sick and angry. We have no candidate that is pro education. It was clueless vs. super clueless.
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Why would you hope that Obama would do anything like that. We all know what his hope and change stood for-extend almost all the worst of Bush’s administration policies (too many to go into now) and kowtow to the elite. YEEEHAAA!
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It was so depressing to hear Mitt Romney praise Arne Duncan. Shouldn’t that praise alone tell the President that he is seriously wrong on education? I am looking forward to sending my October 17 letter.
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Let’s face it. Both candidates are on the same page, but a different time table. Romney will just do away with education sooner. Obama will placate the union leaders first. Only one hitch–Karen Lewis (Thank God!)
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I think it’s ironic that The President was critical of vouchers in the HEALTH CARE system because it would leave behind the most needy who can’t keep up with the costs in a profit-driven model, and their traditional system would end up collapsing.
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I know that President Obama doesn’t support vouchers, but I have never heard him say so out loud, in public.
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Diane,
Now maybe my snarkometer isn’t warmed up and working very well this morning. If so let me know.
But how do you know that then? Has he told you in private? If he has never said so in public then the only other option to know is if he told you in private and or you know someone he has told so in private. Fill in the details please.
Thanks,
Duane
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Duane, if you refer to my comment about President Obama not supporting vouchers, it is on the record. He tried to defund the DC voucher program, but when Republicans objected, he backed off.
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I didn’t hear about that episode. Do you have a link?
Thanks!
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To quote Simon and Garfunkel:
Laugh about it, shout about it
When you’ve got to choose
Ev’ry way you look at it, you lose
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Hey, you’re showing our ages with that one!
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LOL! That’s why I put Simon and Garfunkel’s names in there. I figured someone would think they were my words!
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1968 is when it came out! I was in 8th grade and loved that song then, still do, know the lyrics, and attempt to sing along-way offkey!
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Such a babe! I was graduating from high school. I still have their albums. Yes, the big round vinyl ones.
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2o2t,
Then you are my oldest brothers age. What I tell anyone in reference to age: We all get older at the same rate it’s just that some of us got an earlier start”.
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To me, Romney made it quite clear that there would be NO public education system if he became President. I say that because of his comments about block grants and his feeling that the private sector does everything better than the public sector.
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Romney also declared that he would like to start “grading schools.” I can only imagine the absolute chaos that would cause. Ugh!
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Aren’t schools already graded? The websites for my local public schools have links to each school’s report card.
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Most states grade schools. The grading systems are, frankly, useless. Neither Romney nor Obama seemed to know that this is nothing new. And nothing useful.
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Thanks, Diane… you are exactly right. All I can say, if Mitt has already fired Big Bird, America’s oldest teacher, the rest of us are not far behind.
Sunny Day
Sweepin’ the schools away…
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Well said. Funny that he didn’t see Big Bird as part of our education system – because that’s precisely why Sesame Street was designed and funded.
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Obama looked really bad in that debate. Could almost see his nose grow as he claimed “race to that top” was not “top down.”Perhaps electing Romney will bring this whole mess to the forefront earlier and have it over with. With Obama this country is just dying a slower death. (Watch George Carlin’s three-minute sketch on “The American Dream.”) Sorry to say, but this debate exposed Obama for the “straw man” he is.
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Did anyone notice how Obama tried to throw teachers an incoherent bone in the middle of an answer about Medicare? He brought up his token teacher in Las Vegas with 42 kids in her class, some sitting on the floor. Well what have you done to reduce class size Mr. President? Nothing. You’ve squandered billions on Race to the Top where the money is going to testing corporations, data services, consultants….none of it is going to the classroom. Maybe you should have passed a competitive grant program for states and districts to reduce class size? Now that’s a federal education policy I could get behind.
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He told that same story in the NBC interview that I posted. The teacher started the school year with 42 in a class, but when things got sorted out, the number dropped to 35-38. He thought that was fine.
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To be fair, the President’s jobs program funded quite a lot of teachers who would have otherwise been laid off, including in my district. The logistics of that would have meant combining grades extremely awkwardly. We were very glad to get that money, and it made a real difference.
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That was temporary funding. When the funds ran out, what happened to those teachers? What happened to class size? I teach in a Race to the Top district in a Race to the Top state, every year since Obama has been elected our class sizes have gone up. Florida Governor Rick Scott and the Florida Legislature are also to blame for this but Obama has diverted federal funds away from the classroom to corporations in the name of education. None of the money from Race to the Top is making it to schools let alone classrooms.
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You’re right, they were temporary funds. There was an attempt to run them again that was blocked by Republicans.
Our district has been able to keep the positions that we used that money for. It bought us some time that worked in our favor, because we had retirements coming and we were able to cobble together other sources. It made a difference.
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Diane–
How about some posts talking about the things you see going on that you are most excited about in terms of improving schools?
Thanks!
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I did that when I wrote about my trip to Texas. I am very excited by the more than 800 school boards that have passed a resolution to end high-stakes testing. I am thrilled by the growing public opposition to rapacious charter schools. There are many wonderful signs of intelligent life out there.
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The candidates need to have a debate solely dedicated to education. It is the foundation to everything else. We need more information, a deeper explanation, and a clearer plan.
It is truly unfortunate that neither candidate has a substantially proactive plan that is in the best interests of all children. I would love the chance to band together and submit a plan that will work! But, I’m just a teacher who has had the chance to work in a variety of communities…what would I know, right?
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And Obama is the preferred candidate, because . . . Why?
Let’s face it—Obama’s lackluster personal performance in the debate only reflects the lack of any real clash between the Republocrats and Demoblicans. Left to bickering and jockeying over small differences in how to plunder the country makes for a boredom. On education, will there really be any difference if Obama wins and moves into “bipartisanship” mode? No.
This is the year to vote for a third party.
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And that’s why Jill Stein, Rocky Anderson and Gary Johnson are so appealing. We just saw the Republican Debates Redux last night. Hard to believe the Democrat stayed at home last night. But…fooled me once…
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I think you have to ask yourself, though, if you’re voting to build third parties for the future or if you’re thinking that the third party candidate could be more effective for education (and other issues) if actually elected. A substantial part of the issue is the congress they work with and the staff they choose. On paper, Dr. Stein has made particular declarations, but I suspect she would be less effective in implementing her agenda than Obama has been in implementing her agenda.
I also think that as critical as I am about Obama with respect to education, at least his heart is in the right place. Romney’s heart is hanging out with his money, in the Cayman Islands. And he certainly doesn’t give a whit about low income kids of color.
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Reblogged your bit on Mass. funding. And agreed on your overall analysis of the educational tenor of the debate.
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I believe there should be a boycott of the election. When we vote for these people it is like giving them permission to destroy us. When I was in school we always heard how in the Soviet Union there was no choice, well here we are with no choice and people dutifully go off and vote for the ONE party that gives itself two different names. Stop voting for them. If people feel they have to vote vote for Jill Stein or Rocky Anderson, just stop giving these two monsters the right to destroy us.
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I agree. There was pandering by both candidates, as if tossing in the word education here and there was going appease us in some way or lend them more credibility. The truth is, I’ve never felt the issue has been taken seriously by any federal candidate (or state candidate for that matter) in recent years. It makes me feel like it is just an afterthought to Obama and Romney. I realize the jobs and economy issue is the platform that is always out in the forefront, but education is the very foundation that platform rests upon.
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The real problem with this debate can be summed up in one word—OBAMA. Last night I was upset with his praise for RTTT. But this debate was also supposed to be about the economy, and on that Obama’s rebuttals came across weak. When he said, “Let me instruct you…” I thought here we go again. Another lecture and like some lectures I found myself falling asleep.
Now today I read he lost the debate. Glad (and sad) to know that it just wasn’t me. I felt embarrassed for the president.
Yesterday I posted about the mass email to Obama and it only received 2 LIKES. That surprised me. And I know the majority of teachers don’t like RTTT and don’t believe Duncan respects public school teachers. But if the polls start going south for Obama based on this one debate, I think the letter writing campaign came a bit too late. Sorry I didn’t think about it during the summer after the NEA or AFT supported him. That may have had more impact. But now Obama announced nationally he stands by RTTT.
Something else bothered me. He was more forceful against Hillary than Romney. I knew he did not like Hillary (read Game Change), but I expected that same passion (for lack of a better word) from him last night.
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Both are so out of touch…I wish I could shed a tear…
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I know!!! This is the best of America?
The Dems put themselves into this situation. Obama still is claiming fixing education fixes the economy. And I don’t know about you guys, but my cousin got back 4 cents on the medical rebate. It cost more to prepare and mail out that 4 cents, so how is this good for the middle class?? It will only force insurance companies to raise rates and deductibles just to cover the cost of mailing out 4 cents to thousands of Americans.
I am totally disgusted with the Democratic party. They worked to destroy Hillary’s chances on an unknown senator. I think Hillary has proven herself capable of handling world and economic affairs. And this was orchestrated by Ted Kennedy!! Reid and Mr. Sunday News Chuck have a lot to answer for. They helped destroy the party.
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What do you think Hillary’s educational policies would have looked like (or will look like, assuming she does run in 2016)? Keep in mind her husband was the one who passed NAFTA and welfare reform.
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He also supports charters.
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Diane Ravitch claims that both of the presidential candidates “love teachers as long as they compete for a bonus and don’t have tenure”. Clearly this is an assumption since Obama’s Race to the Top (RTT) is taking the initiative to improve the quality of teachers. It’s not solely about teachers competing for a bonus, that may seem to be the initial motivation, but these teachers are ultimately reinventing themselves while attempting to meet the qualifications of RTT. It’s not such a bad thing that these teachers need money as motivation. I feel this because teachers play such a key role in society yet they’re highly under appreciated. We give teachers such a huge responsibility of molding the minds of our children and teachers don’t always see the benefits. Teachers aren’t always successful in getting through to our children; they aren’t given the necessary books and teaching tools to make an impact on the minds of children. I do believe the standards of education need to be raised nationwide and then need to find a common standard for most of the school districts. Because there will always be some preventative force, whether it’s language, money, or resources. But if this nation plans accordingly these hindrances can be fixed over time.
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