John King inherited a lot of very bad ideas from his predecessor Arne Duncan. One of them is the belief that teacher education programs can be judged by the test scores of the students taught by their graduates. King recently issued regulations cementing the regulations that Duncan began fashioning a few years back. It would be asking too much to expect anyone at the U.S. Department of Education to rethink their failed policies of the past 7 1/2 years.
Fortunately we have a commentary from lawyer Sarah Blaine that explains why the King-Duncan regulations are nonsense. They will increase the nation’s teacher shortage and demoralize those who spend their days trying to teach children.
In the original post, I called this “Arne’s Worst Idea Yet.” Now it is John King’s “worst idea yet.”
It has no validity. It will worsen the problems it is intended to solve.
Sarah Blaine called this proposal “asinine.” Read her entire post.
Here is an excerpt:
“Now, please bear with me. Out here in lawyer-land, there’s a slippery concept that every first year law student must wrap her head around: it’s the idea of distinguishing between actual (or “but for”) causation and proximate (or “legal”) causation. Actual causation is any one of a vast link in the chain of events from the world was created to Harold injured me by hitting me, that, at some level, whether direct or attenuated, “caused” my injury. For instance, Harold couldn’t have hit me if the world hadn’t been created, because if the world hadn’t been created, Harold wouldn’t exist (nor would I), and therefore I never would have been hit by Harold. So, if actual or “but for” causation was legally sufficient to hold someone responsible for an injury, I could try suing “the Creator,” as if the Creator is somehow at fault for Harold’s decision to hit me.
Well, that’s preposterous, even by lawyer standards, right?
The law agrees with you: the Creator is too far removed from the injury, and therefore cannot be held legally responsible for it.
So to commit a tort (legal wrong) against someone else, it isn’t sufficient that the wrong allegedly committed actually — at some attenuated level — caused the injured’s injury (i.e., that the injury would not have happened “but for” some cause). Instead, the wrong must also be proximally related to that injury: that is, there must be a close enough tie between the allegedly negligent or otherwise wrongful act and the injury that results. So while it would be silly to hold “the Creator” legally responsible for Harold hitting me, it would not be similarly silly to hold Harold responsible for hitting me. Harold’s act was not only an actual or “but for” cause of my injury, it was also an act closely enough related to my injury to confer legally liability onto Harold. This is what we lawyers call proximate (or legal) causation: that is, proximate causation is an act that is a close enough cause of the injury that it’s fair — at a basic, fundamental level — to hold the person who committed that injurious act legally responsible (i.e., liable to pay damages or otherwise make reparations) for his act. [As an aside to my aside, if this sort of reasoning makes your head explode, law school probably isn’t a great option for you.]
Well, it appears that Arne Duncan would have failed his torts class. You see, Arne didn’t get the memo regarding the distinction between actual causation and proximate causation. Instead, what Arne proposes is to hold teacher prep programs responsible for the performance of their alumni’s K-12 students (and to punish them if their alumni’s students don’t measure up). Never mind the myriad chains in the causation link between the program’s coursework and the performance of its graduates’ students (presumably on standardized tests). Arne Duncan somehow thinks that he can proximally — fairly — link these kids’ performance not just to their teachers (a dicey proposition on its own), but to their teachers’ prep programs. Apparently Arne can magically tease out all other factors, such as where an alumna teaches, what her students’ home lives are like, how her students’ socio-economic status affects their academic performance, the level of her students’ intrinsic motivation, as well as any issues in the new alumna’s personal life that might affect her performance in the classroom, and, of course, the level of support provided to the new alumna as a new teacher by her department and administration, and so forth. As any first year law student can tell you, Arne’s proposal is asinine, as the alumna’s student’s test results will be so far removed from her teaching program’s performance that ascribing proximate causation from the program to the children’s performance offends a reasonable person’s sense of justice. [Not to mention the perverse incentives this would create for teaching programs’ career advising centers — what teaching program would ever encourage a new teacher to take on a challenging teaching assignment?]”

Using test scores to blame teachers: WRT education policy ideology trumps evidence even without Trump at the helm.
http://www.arthurcamins.com
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The war on teachers continues. The guiding principle seems to be: teachers can never be punished enough or human punching bags R Us.
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Never mind the cost of evaluating the schools and wasted time, all of which will be a burden on the middle class because they’ll end up paying the taxes some how for covering the cost. And it will further more damage the public schools because money will have to be used to pay those that are getting the “data” to show how bad these colleges are. It is insane. The rich continually prosper, because they’re behind this push and the middle class and poor suffer because of it.
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Diane, as you’ve pointed out, Obama has been horrible on k-12 education, first with Arne, and now with King. I wonder how you can expect Hillary to be any better. Do you know something we don’t know? And please don’t give us the excuse that whatever she does on education will be better than Trump. He’s toast now. So we can just expect more pro-charter reform hell from Hillary, right? It seems on the issue of k-12 education, the choice really is between two evils.
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This is about $$$$$ for the oligarchy. Thus the lies and spins. PAYOLA to the MAX via the oligarchy is the theme here.
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The Obama administration has spent far too much time and too many resources trying to weigh and measure everything associated with public education. All of this biased fake pseudo-scientific nonsense has not benefited public schools one iota. As in this case the opposite has occurred. Every policy imposed by Duncan or King has had the opposite negative effect on public schools. Data mining is not a program, nor does it improve outcomes for our youth. I would expect this type of blind, deaf and dumb policy from Trump, but not Obama. Obama’s legacy will be a failed, misguided education policy.
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lets get some replacement candidates for this job in place now.
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Thanks, Diane, for re-posting this piece. I actually prefer the slightly revised version that ran on The Washington Post’s Answer Sheet blog:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2014/12/02/the-concept-education-secretary-duncan-has-entirely-missed/
But you are correct — the core proposal and core argument against the proposal don’t appear to have changed. In all of my spare time (ha ha), I’ve been trying to at least skim through the 600+ page summary of comments and responses of USDE to the original version of the proposal. So far, I’m not seeing a lot to indicate that they’re taking teachers’ and education professors’ and the public’s input seriously.
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Nice to see this post again. And, I do love the tongue in cheek idea of docking Harvard since former grad Arne Duncan made such a mess of things nationwide. (It’s in the Washington Post link). It’s a modest proposal I’d love see put to good ‘ole Arne and his minions. There’s also some sage observations in that Washington Post piece about making the transition from being a student to being a professional. Very true.
BTW also nice to see SomeDAM Poet, FLERP!, Bob Shepherd and some of the other “regulars” in that 2014 post. Hard to believe that was three years ago already.
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Excellent. for more on all of the nonsense I recommend
Cathy O’Neil, Weapons of Math Destruction: How Big Data Increases Inequality and Threatens Democracy
https://mathbabe.org/author/mathbabe/
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This is a FOOL’S ERRAND.
Millions of dollars and man-hours wasted on this in NYS alone. Like a Manx chasing its own . . .
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Ah, this is interesting, because this is where “normal” logic (used in math and the sciences) land “legal” logic differs: in normal logic, arbitrary long causation chains are allowed.
At what length will a legal chain be cut off? Or there is a different criteria?
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On second thought, it cannot be just about the length of a causation chain, because there must be a “authority chain” to be considered as well. Namely, in a war, the generals have much greater responsibility than the soldiers: soldiers are obliged to execute the orders of the generals.
In fact, for the failure of kids in college, I think King has much greater responsibility than a teacher.
Consider this, which I see much more often now than, say, 10 years ago,
King bribes states to use VAM –> Teachers teach to the test –> kids burn out –> drop out of college
Clearly, it is not the teachers, who are to be blamed, are they?
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Here is another responsibility chain: this semester, I happen to teach math for elementary school teachers. Instead of teaching what would be best for the prospective teachers, namely to make sure, they really understand the material and that they can effectively communicate the enjoyment of math to students, I constantly have to match the material to common core, possible exams and how to prepare for them.
In other words, the secretary of education (and of course, Gates) is directly responsible for interfering with teacher prep: at universities, we don’t teach what would be best for prospective teachers (and hence their students) but what he pushes all over the country. So if he wants to blame somebody for students’ not doing well in college and in life, he should start with the general: himself.
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“I constantly have to match the material to common core, possible exams and how to prepare for them.”
Well, then Máté, are you not a part of the problem? Who demands you do such things? Can you not instruct the students about the insanities that you are now implementing? Since when has academia become part of the deform machine?
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Come on, Duane. I have never been at a university, private or public, where I could teach the way I really wanted to teach—the way both Wilson and Socrates probably would have approved of.
All teachers do the best in the given system, and that rarely means they can teach the way they really want.
When I teach a graduate course for PhD students, I have almost full academic freedom. But in undergraduate classes, you need to make sure, kids are prepared for the next class they take—and for their job.
So even if I was completely free in teaching what and how I want, it would be irresponsible not to make sure, the students can finish their studies, and do well in their actual job.
If a teacher candidate is not prepared from Common Core, she won’t be able to teach in any of the public schools in TN—or in most states.
One of the reasons I don’t have phone in my office anymore (besides cutting costs) is because I got way too many calls from teachers asking me to help them figure out stuff from CC. Some even called me in the middle of their classes!
Of course, what I am teaching is not all CC at all, plus there are some good ideas in CC. For example, too much formula memorization was always part of US curriculum, and CC, at least in theory, deemphasizes that.
The contradiction, of course, is that the good ideas in CC get canceled by the requirement of preparing kids for the year end standardized tests, which are all about crazy formula and concept memorization and speedy calculations.
I did show students two videos: one a math class from Success Academy, another one I posted here many times about teaching math in the “Socratic” way.
So I think the best a teacher can do is try to squeeze some real, good time math into a class. In my case, I can do it about half of the time in this class for prospective teachers, but I suspect, in K-12, teachers can do not much more than 10%.
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If better teachers are wanted, then raise admission standards at state schools for candidates planning to major in education. Of course, the schools of education oppose this, because it would decrease the size of their programs. And states oppose it (in practice) because fewer but better-qualified teachers would command higher starting salaries.
If better teachers are wanted, then administrators in local districts have to weed out the non-performers in their early years, but since hiring their replacements takes a great deal of time — time that’s needed to deal with the enormous amount of paperwork for federal testing, among other things — they do very little of that, except in the cases of the most egregiously bad teachers.
If better teachers to teach in specialized areas are wanted, then pay teachers in secondary schools according to the level of demand for their skills and education, in competition with the private sector. A teacher of AP Physics should indeed be paid more than a kindergarten teacher, because her skills are more in demand outside of education. But unions oppose that because it smacks of inequity.
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