The distinguished education researcher David Berliner testified yesterday at the Vergara trial in Los Angeles. The issue is whether teachers should be permitted to have tenure; the plaintiffs say that job protections for teachers deny the civil rights of children. Last week, the teacher of the lead plaintiff testified; he does not have tenure. He has never had disciplinary proceedings or any negative evaluations. The case seems ludicrous on its face since Vergara’s teacher, who allegedly violated her civil rights, has never had tenure.
This is what David Berliner said, according to a source who was in the courtroom (I have no link; if I can get Berliner’s testimony in full, I will post it):
Yesterday, David C. Berliner, Regents’ Professor Emeritus of Education at Arizona State University, took the stand. He spoke at length about the out-of-school factors that impact in-school performance. He said,
“The public and politicians and parents overrate the in-school effects on their children and underrate the power of out-of-school effects on their children.” He noted that in-school factors account for just 20 percent of the variation we see in student achievement scores.
He also discussed value-added models and the problems with solely relying on these models for teacher evaluation. He said,
“My experience is that teachers affect students incredibly. Probably everyone in this room has been affected by a teacher personally. But the effect of the teacher on the score, which is what’s used in VAM’s, or the school scores, which is used for evaluation by the Feds — those effects are rarely under the teacher’s control…Those effects are more often caused by or related to peer-group composition…”

My take: even when “teachers affect students incredibly” it is ludicrous to think that most (or even a significant portion) of that affect can be measured or has to do with test scores.
Here’s one: how about helping a student turn his/her life around by moving away from destructive and self-destructive behaviors and towards a more positive, happier and fulfilling life?
Just my dos centavitos worth…
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Come on KTA, you know that stuff can’t be “measured” (and is therefore valueless and meaningless).
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“The public and politicians and parents overrate the in-school effects on their children and underrate the power of out-of-school effects on their children.” He noted that in-school factors account for just 20 percent of the variation we see in student achievement scores.”
I laughed. Does this really surprise anyone? I’m a parent. Which makes me look better? 🙂
As for “politicians” it’s much, much easier to yell at teachers than it is to actually address some of those “out of school factors”.
The same applies to business leaders, too. Watching America’s CEO’s turn a debate over income inequality into another public school bashing fest was the most incredible dodge I think I have ever witnessed. They turned, in unison, and pointed to public schools, and everyone let “the adults” get away with this nonsense.
I always marvel that these particular politicians are called “brave”. How is “brave” to completely abandon any responsibility for “out of school” factors and blame someone else? It’s upside-down world.
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There is something to be said for living a life where you do not live in eternal fear of bankruptcy or unemployment.
Shame only the 1% are insulated from this destructive time we are living in.
Imagine schools filled with children whose parents are not passing that stress to their children.
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“Imagine schools with children whose parents are not passing that stress to their children.”
Or schools where teachers don’t fear losing their jobs because some Stasi “Talent Coach” walks in and finds out they’re not on the mandated page of the Common Core module.
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Here’s a link to someone else’s summary: Post navigation
Vergara witness says streets more than teachers shape academics
Also:
More than just teachers affect learning, Vergara expert says
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I found that even tenure does not protect one adequately. When one does work “far superior to anything seen in your state” , You have a president of a college come out to see you teach because of what you are doing. You take your class to a college where the head of the department comes out to tell your students that many of the college students would find it difficult to do what your high school students have just done but you have a school board which hires a principal who had just been fired from an adjoining town because “if you did not salute” when you entered his office you were in trouble and you dared question him about something to which he had given his blessing but against which every department head had voted. A school board member wished to have it passed so to make political points he OK d it., Then a year later you find yourself teaching in elementary school, then even tenure is not necessarily job security.
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“Tenure” doesn’t exist in public education–it is a lie that has been perpetrated by “reformers” and some states even stupidly call civil service protections “tenure.” It only provides teachers the dubious right to a “hearing”–in truth only one more step in the process of firing an employee.
The vast majority of teachers don’t go through the hearings but take “resignations in lieu of dismissals,” which are still firings but they get a little bit of a severance package and a promise not to sue the school districts.
The trial is based on completely phony arguments. It’s a show trial that is similar to 90 percent of “due process” hearings.
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What happens to a teacher’s job prospects when he receives a resignation in lieu of dismissal?
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The popular online application process used in my state asks if your resigned rather than being dismissed/fired. Your best answer, IF you get an interview and they ask, is just to say it wasn’t a good fit philosophically or some such nonsense. Remember, one must never “bad mouth” a previous employer; that’s a sure way not to get hired. i sometimes wonder if they ask why you were dismissed just to see if you will show some bias against your previous employer.
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susannunes,
Quite correct about the misuse of the word tenure. Also about the fact that due process rights means only another step or two in the process (which gives the teacher time to find another position.)
Nano,
My principal was after my ass for not being a “team player” even though she agreed that the department’s suggestions (I was department chair at the time) for PLC time were excellent for the students, but not for “data driven dialogue” crap that was being pushed. I was able to resign, effective at the end of the year and used the excuse of getting divorced and always wanting to have a place in the countryside as my “excuse” when asked why I was switching districts (as per 2O2T notes). My current district had had five Spanish teachers in four years prior to my hiring-rural districts can have a hard time getting good foreign language teachers due to the nature of most FL teachers-and I told them I planned to retire out of the district. Needless to say after I was signed on I let them know what the real problem was.
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Berliner on teacher effect on achievement and VAM: http://laschoolreport.com/vergara-witness-says-streets-more-than-teachers-shape-academics/
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Thanks, Bob Valiant for the link. VAM is BAD, but the deformers want a factory model education for a non-thinking workforce, who doesn’t question the current and awful status quo.
This quote from Berliner is priceless: ““My experience is that teachers affect students incredibly. Probably everyone in this room has been affected by a teacher personally. But the effect of the teacher on the score, which is what’s used in VAM’s, or the school scores, which is used for evaluation by the Feds — those effects are rarely under the teacher’s control…Those effects are more often caused by or related to peer-group composition…”
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Think of it this way- there are two dentists. They both graduated from the same school. They go to the same trainings each year. They pass out the same little samples of toothpaste, and new brushes. They give the same advice, “Brush twice a day, floss daily. Come back in six months, call if there is a problem.” Everyone knows that dental care is important and your Dentist greatly impacts your dental health. Dentist A works in Beverly Hills, where they have fluoride in the water and health insurance, a ride to the dentist and a phone to call for an appointment if needed. Dentist B works in Appalachia, where there is no fluoride, no health insurance, no cell coverage, and no working car to get to appointments if needed. DOES THAT MAKE DENTIST “B” A BAD DENTIST? He is somehow worse AT HIS JOB than dentist “A”???
Do you really think it is the DENTIST that is making the difference here?
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