Mathematica Policy Research released a study that proves that experience matters.
Some readers thought the study was about merit pay, but it was not. Merit pay has never worked.
Merit pay studies usually compare one group of teachers matched to a similar group. One group is offered a bonus if they can raise test scores, the other is not. The bonus is supposed to incentivize the teachers to push their students to achieve higher test scores.
But that is not what happened in this study.
In this study, the the bonus was awarded for transferring to the low-performing school for two years, not for getting higher test scores.
What the study demonstrates is that if you offer a bonus of $20,000, you might attract the top talent in the district to teach in low-performing schools, and these older, experienced teachers will get better results than regular teachers, many of whom are brand new to teaching.
In her story about the study, Dana Goldstein noted:
It’s also worth pointing out that these transfer teachers were far from the Teach for America archetype of a young, transient Ivy League grad. Their average age was 42, and they had an average of 12 years of experience in the classroom. They were also more likely than control group teachers to be African-American, to be homeowners, and to hold a master’s degree. In short, they were stable adults with deep ties to the cities in which they worked.
Audrey Amrein-Beardsley, one of the nation’s leading scholars of value-added measurement, points out the dissimilarity of the experimental group and the control group:
The high value-added teachers who were selected to participate in this study, and transfer into high-needs schools to teach for two years, were disproportionately National Board Certified Teachers and teachers with more years of teaching experience. The finding that these teachers, selected only because they were high value-added teachers was confounded by the very fact that they were compared to “similar” teachers in the high-needs schools, many of whom were not certified as exemplary teachers and many of whom (20%) were new teachers…as in, entirely new to the teaching profession! While the high value-added teachers who choose to teach in higher needs schools for two years (with $20,000 bonuses to boot) were likely wonderful teachers in their own rights, the same study results would have likely been achieved by simply choosing teachers with more than X years of experience or choosing teachers whose supervisors selected them as “the best.” Hence, this study was not about using “value-added” as the arbiter of all that is good and objective in measuring teacher effects, it was about selecting teachers who were distinctly different than the teachers to whom they were compared and attributing the predictable results back to the “value-added” selections that were made.
What the study really shows is the foolishness of the many states that are changing salary scales to discourage experienced teachers, removing stipends for masters degrees, and making other policies that discourage the very teachers that this study salutes. States like Tennessee and North Carolina, among others, are enacting laws to discourage or push out the very teachers that are considered “the best” in this study.
As Amrein-Beardsley observes:
Related, many of the politicians and policymakers who are advancing national and state value-added initiatives and policies forward are continuously using sets of false assumptions about teacher experience, teacher credentials, and how/why these things do not matter to advance their agendas forward. Rather, in this study, it seems that teacher experience and credentials mattered the most. Results from this study, hence, contradict initiatives, for example, to get rid of salary schedules that rely on years of experience and credentials, as value-added scores, as evidenced in this study, do seem to capture these other variables (i.e., experience and credentials) as well.
The takeaway? Blogger Steve Strieker of Wisconsin put it this way in an email to me:
Experience, education, age, and teacher willingness to participate seemed to matter in this case. The program also seems to have eyes on the eight ball. Teacher accountability and stack-ranking evaluation systems are not part of the program. Unlike other merit pay studies, this was a low-stakes study. Testing scores were not connected to the bonus payout. Teachers chosen were paid the bonus for their service regardless of student performance.
If we want to see improvement and results, we should have policies and extra pay to recruit top teachers to work in hard-to-staff schools, and we should place high value on experience and education.

I just worry that this study is going to be used to prepare the ground for the next federal innovation– making state money contingent on a plan to move highly-effective teachers into “failing” schools and districts
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Diane, I’m happy to see you warming up to the idea of value-added measurement. That’s how the high-performing teachers were identified, and how the impact of the intervention was measured.
However, I don’t think it’s accurate to say that the study shows that experienced teachers are better than inexperienced ones, per se. On pages 43-44 of the full report (found here: http://www.mathematica-mpr.com/publications/pdfs/education/tti_high_perform_teachers.pdf ), the characteristics of the control group are listed. Only 17% were brand-new to the profession, and in fact almost half of the group (45%) had at least six years’ worth of teaching experience and 25% had more than eleven. The average experience of the control group was eight years, and the average age was 37. It’s also worth noting that the study model prevented effective new teachers from participating in the treatment group, as it required a minimum of two years’ worth of value-added data.
I think the takeaway here is how incredibly difficult it is to get quality teachers to work in schools with suboptimal working conditions. Only about 15% of the teachers identified as highly effective decided to participate, and remember these were intra-district transfers where a 25-50% pay bump was guaranteed and not contingent on results. Another sobering fact is that only 12% of the teachers identified as being highly effective were working in low-performing schools.
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edit: my numbers were off on the salary increase. It would be more like a 10-20% bump.
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“I’m happy to see you warming up to the idea of value-added measurement.”
Ha, Ha, HE, HE, Ha, Ha, oh, oh oh, he he he he ha hea ha. . . .
GDit I just spit out my English Breakfast Tea onto the computer screen reading that. Good thing I have a paper towel handy!
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Duane Swacker: while there is a better than 98% satisfactory [thank you, Bill Gates!] chance of certainty that I shared your reaction, please be more careful when viewing comments on this blog.
There are better usages for perfectly good English Breakfast Tea than all over your computer screen.
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If I may, from Diane Ravitch’s DEATH AND LIFE OF THE GREAT AMERICAN SCHOOL SYSTEM (2011 paperback edition, p. 3):
[start quote] School reformers sometimes resemble the characters in Dr. Seuss’s Solla Sollew, who are always searching for that mythical land “where they never have troubles, at least very few.” Or like Dumbo, they are convinced they could fly if only they had a magic feather. In my writings, I have consistently warned that, in education, there are not shortcuts, no utopias, and no silver bullets. For certain, there are no magic feathers that enable elephants to fly. [end quote]
Like you, I seriously doubt that the owner of this blog is beginning to buy into Value-Added Magic.
Just my dos centavitos worth…
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I don’t think she is warming up to value-added. It has always been known that value-added generally score teachers higher if their school has less poverty, less ELL and less minority students. It is usually the case that teachers in those schools tend to be more educated and have more years of experience. So it’s reasonable that a teacher who has more experience and training would score higher on the value-added measurement.
The reason it’s difficult to get quality teachers (assuming you are using years of experience and education, or value-added, which coincidentally takes those factors into account) is because they don’t want to work in a poor, troubled school with behavior problems. In this report, more of the teachers who transferred complained of having more difficult students although there wasn’t any other evidence to corroborate that. Also, middle school showed the opposite, that the highly experienced, educated, highly ranked value-added teachers actually showed a decrease in reading performance. The report tries to explain it away by difference in schools submitted by districts but who knows.
My takeaway from this is if you offer people a lot more money, they are willing to work in a more difficult area but not everyone takes that offer. I have some issues about the results in elementary and the improvement in scores. The demographic background was different for both groups. The authors couldn’t figure out some of the focus control group teachers were. There were other issues as well.
I do not believe this report provides STRONG evidence that value-added works nor just hiring more educated/experienced teachers works as well. If that was the case, middle school should have improved but actually decreased for math. This report does provide STRONG evidence that you if you offer more money, some teachers are willing to transfer.
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Tim, I agree with your “close reading” and careful interpretation of this report.
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Do not know if others will consider this relevant but i am going to share it. I came out of retirement at the request of an acquaintance who was at the time the principal of the school to which he recruited me. When he began, only 17% of the students went directly to a 4 year college. I think the figure last year was 42%. I am the only National Board certified teacher in the building – although there are a fair number of very good teachers in the building, and I see in general high quality in my own department. We are a school with more than 40% of our students on free and reduced meals. We are a very diverse school – do not assume those receiving meal assistance are of minority background. We have faculty who graduate from the school’s predecessor. We have one teacher who has taught some of the same students in elementary, middle and now high school.
Most of our teachers have masters. A few have doctorates.
While there is a regular infusion of newly certified teachers, they are not TFA, and the school system provides support not only for them, but for experienced teachers who are new to the system, for up to the first 3 years in the system – we have a social studies teacher who functions as the Right Start Adviser in our school, helping people through the administrative tasks, for planning for observations, with learning how to get on to the various computer systems, with leave slips, with anything that can in any way impact the effectiveness as a teacher, including helping plan lessons and doing informal observations.
Good experience makes a difference. So does a continuity of school community. TFA violates both of those principles.
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Growing up in the UK we had a two tiered system of public secondary schools: Grammar Schools or essentially exam schools that selected the top 15% based on standardized exams results and Secondary Modern Schools for everybody else. I and my younger sister went to the former and my older brother went to the latter. I remembering saying at a young age that my brother’s school should have the best teachers – simply because my peers, while no choirboys, were pretty docile, accommodating and motivated learners. His school mates were far more rowdy and, generally, less interested in school. The system allocating teachers, however, did the exact opposite. I didn’t have many good teachers, his were far worse.
In short, any school system with multiple schools should be able to assign teachers to where they can make the biggest difference. Systems with tough educational challenges need to be able to attract and retain teachers to teach in those settings.
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“Growing up in the UK . . . ”
Now that explains it all Bernie-ha ha!!
Just funnin ya, you know!
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“In short, any school system with multiple schools should be able to assign teachers to where they can make the biggest difference.”
Thoroughly agree, Bernie.
The downside though might then be that the “best” teachers will eventually seek employment in other districts where the students are, as you say, “docile, accommodating and motivated”.
I could see a system paying a bonus to teach those “hard to teach” students and in those schools. But, it will take a lot more than that, (for that is putting the onus on the teachers only when the problems are far deeper and wider than the classroom only) such as more resources, staff, building maintenance, health services, early childhood supports, etc. . . . Good luck on getting those!
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Duane:
Such flexibility in assignments and pay can only be part of the solution. But because it is just a part does not mean that it is not worth pursuing. As to teachers moving to less stressful assignments/systems, sure but that can be mitigated with multi-year contracts with claw back provisions. What it really means is that the caliber and credibility of administrators will have to be high.
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Huge caveat here — Yes, $20,000 will get some teachers to transfer to low-test-score schools. But, the study does not show that the teachers who transferred were necessarily good teachers or any better than any other teachers (in either the pre-transfer or post-transfer schools).
The teachers who were offered the $20,000 to transfer were identified as good teachers based on VAM/student test scores. Similarly, the study — in concluding that the transferred teachers were effective in the post-transfer schools — used student test scores in the post-transfer schools.
Suppose — just suppose — that the teachers who achieved the high VAM/student-test-score ratings in the pre-transfer schools were teachers who focused a lot of attention on the standardized tests — that is, that they narrowed the curriculum and did a lot of test prep. And, suppose that these teachers, in the post-transfer schools, continued this approach — that is, they continued to narrow the curriculum and do a lot of test prep. If this was happening, then there is little reason to believe that the transferred teachers were better than average teachers or that the transferred teachers were doing a better than average job teaching in the post-transfer schools. A strong argument can be made that such teachers — who narrow the curriculum and teach to the test in order to achieve higher standardized test scores — are actually harming rather than helping their students.
Nor is this “suppose” a random supposition. The study showed that the transferred elementary grade teachers raised test scores in the post-transfer schools but that the transferred middle school teachers did not raise test scores in the post-transfer schools. How to explain this strange result? Elementary grade teachers have much more control over the curriculum than middle school teachers; an elementary school teacher can double the time spent teaching tested subjects (reading, math) by eliminating time spent teaching untested subjects. Middle school teachers, by contrast, have much less control over the curriculum; a middle school English teacher or math teacher teaches only tested subjects, and accordingly has much less ability to shift instructional time from untested to tested subjects.
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Good points! I noticed some of the same things away when reading it. A “better” teacher should raise performance in any grade, not just elementary. It is entirely possible in elementary they focused on “test-taking” or whatever measurement and devoted more time to it. There were a lot of other issues on this report as well.
I wouldn’t use this report as evidence on teacher quality but rather money. Give someone an extra $20,000 and they may transfer to another school in the district. $20,000 is a lot of money.
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“New Study Proves High Value of Experienced Teachers”
Duh, does a wild bear shit in the woods?
“New Study Proves Better Patient Outcomes for Experienced Physicians”
“New Study Proves Better Brick Laying Rates for Experienced Bricklayers”
“New Study Proves Better Drinks Made by Experienced Baristas”
“New Study Proves Better Walking Skills by Experienced Toddlers”
“New Study Proves Better Kill Rates by Experienced Coyotes”
Need I go on??
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“In short, they were stable adults with deep ties to the cities in which they worked.”
Uuumm, I wonder how much that came into play?
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I have taught in low performing schools and the only reason I left, was due to poor administration. I think it is equally important to have good administrators who will foster a cohesive community of teachers. It is hard to stay, even for the kids, when you have administrators that are not supportive of either teachers or students and who treat both groups inequitably and inconsistently. I have no doubt however that experience does count and that most of us are life long learners continuing to attend workshops and classes. I believe that a better system of mentoring administrators is needed as well as a better system of support for teachers, especially in low performing schools.
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“What the study demonstrates is that if you offer a bonus of $20,000, you might attract the top talent in the district to teach in low-performing schools”
What do you do when you offer the bonus over an extended period of time, but you find that you’re only able to fill ~20% of your new hires every year with these “bonus” teachers, and after 5 years 70% of your these “bonus” teachers have transferred to middle/upper class schools w/lower pay due to school-related quality of life stress issues at their low-performing schools? Not saying this would happen, but this study is too short in duration to really convince me of anything meaningful.
Seems you need a longer duration study than this Mathematica study presented to get a more solid sense of the true longitudinal effect of bonus pay for teaching in high need schools. A DOE funded 10-20 year study of this type in a high need area would be very enlightening.
To make the DOE funded 10-20 year study more robust, why not incorporate all of things pedagogical traditionalists call for — smaller class sizes, increased nurses and guidance counselors and psychologists, high salaries for highly effective veteran teachers, increased music and art classes, etc. We’re spending all sorts of public money on untested, off the cuff theories, why not pilot a long term study based on recommendations from actual education experts?
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Meritless Pursuit of Pay-for-Performance
http://oneteachersperspective.blogspot.com/2013/11/meritless-pursuit-of-pay-for-performance.html
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