A regular reader has posted several comments that seem to
imply that not enough teachers are being fired. Or that a system
with a small number of teachers fired was not up to par, assuming
that there are many “bad” teachers who have not been found out yet.
This seems to be the assumption behind Race to the Top and the
Gates’ approach to evaluation: stack ranking, from top to bottom.
Fire the bottom. I responded that about 40% of teachers leave
within the first five years of starting their job. He asked for
evidence. Good question. Here are two good sources. Ken Futernick
of Wested in Sn Francisco wrote an excellent article called “Incompetent
Teachers or Dysfunctional Systems?” Matt Di Carlo wrote
a good overview of
the research here. In no other profession do so many
people exit so rapidly. This suggests to me that states and
districts should have high standards for hiring teachers and then
should mentor new teachers, build a collegial culture, and make
sure that retention is a goal. We make a huge mistake with the new
evaluation systems, which seem intended to find and fire weak
teachers. The goal should be to make teachers better, if they are
willing to be helped. Churn is bad.

Best way to know a good teacher: ask the students. Best way to see see me leave what I love and is part of my moral fibre: don’t facilitate my best in my class. Can’t be bothered anymore to accept the incompetence & unprofessionalism of the educational system – shame! I’m good at what I do.
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I suggested that there may be a role for students in evaluating teaching, but there was little support by the folks here. Good to see some that agree.
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TE:
Max Weber, the German Sociologist, had some very harsh things to say about student ratings of professors.
Any such system would need to include a mechanism to balance any tendency of students to gang up on a teacher or collude to essentially stuff the ballot box. I still believe the best approach is observations.
The ballot stuffing happened on a survey of best colleges with which we were involved.
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I agree that student input should be used judiciously, but I think these is value there. I would even propose that the input be given perhaps a year after the students had a teacher to give the students time to reflect a bit on the experience.
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TE:
That might help.
For giving 360 feedback in organizations, we developed a comparative rating format that allowed/required individuals to rate multiple individuals at the same time as a way of concretizing the rating process and reflecting the way we tend to make such judgments – a bit like difference curves.
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The change is coming. Old teachers will be filtered out and newly trained teachers will be hired. The new teacher wiil be trained in newer technology and the use of it to raise test scores. They will be trained on how to teach to the test and be successful. We are in the middle of the change now. Look at high schools across the country. Young teachers are on the phone in the classrooms just like the students. They do not see anything wrong with it. They were born using technology. When I was hired in 1975, I was told that schools are usually 25 years behind in technology. When smart screens came out they were used as screens for overheads. New technology, old methods. Education will change, whether the values will that remains to be seen.
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I’m confused about how this relates to Diane’s post? She’s not addressing technology here.
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Re: “The new teacher wiil be trained in newer technology and the use of it to raise test scores.”
So, raising [standardized] test scores is what education should be about?
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Same thoughts on that remark. I don’t think automating teachers in both technology and ideology will improve education whatsoever.
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This is what the corporatizers and TFA leaders want. They think that technology and testing can replace hard work and teachers who know what they are doing. Young teachers don’t know squat unless they come from a teaching family. Yes they know technology, but a real teacher could teach an alligator in a refrigerator box. And it is the same in other fields like in the plants in Louisiana. The young engineers know all about computers and technology. But when they have problems they contract with the RETIRED engineers who know where every pipe and wire goes, what it is for and why.
And technology is great, when it works. But after Hurricane Katrina when the power was out, the kids working at the local stores did not know how to make change for the customers. I was there. I know. I showed some how to do it.
You can also look at the schools in some of the third world countries. They have no technology. They have a blackboard and a piece of chalk. And it’s a real black board—-a black one. Some kids do their lessons by writing in the dirt and others erase their work after they turn it in so they can reuse it. But they still get an education. Technology is a tool, one of many tools that make things easier for students and teachers.
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You assume technology and new teachers will raise test scores. It’s not happening and the young teachers are quitting the profession at higher rates. And being on the phone in class is a violation of school rules. You don’t teach. That’s obvious.
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Recent research indicates that the main reason teachers leave relate to their principal. See http://research.msu.edu/stories/why-do-so-many-new-teachers-quit Before googling the research I would have guessed that student discipline issues were a major factor, especially in urban areas.
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Actually, teacher working conditions and salary are the primary reasons for leaving. These two factors work in a compensating manner–the more money you make, the worse working conditions you are willing to endure and the better your working conditions, the less salary you will demand. This is the primary reason for the inequitable distribution of teachers (and principals) and high-stakes testing and accountable systems only exacerbate this situation.
With respect to teacher working conditions, teachers’ perceptions of the behavior of the principal is the most important factor that influences teachers’ decisions to stay or leave. This is after controlling for student and school characteristics.
Ultimately, the strongest explanatory variable is a teacher’s perception of the existence of an atmosphere of trust and respect. That variable alone is a strong predictor of teachers’ decisions to stay or leave.
For a great peer-reviewed study on this, see:
Ladd, H. F. (2011). Teachers’ Perceptions of Their Working Conditions How Predictive of Planned and Actual Teacher Movement?. Educational Evaluation and Policy Analysis, 33(2), 235-261.
Barnett Berry at the Center for Teaching Quality and I also wrote reports on this as well.
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Thank you Dr. Fuller! Again and again the myth that our teachers need better training or better mentoring (and I would agree to a point, but more because of the exploision of fast-track alternative programs) masks the real issues in our schools. The working conditions are unbearable. Unbearable and unacceptable. Who would want to work long-term in an abusive environment where you are micro-managed, exploited, verbally harrassed, where the work load in completely umanagable (America teachers are expected to work far more hours in front of students than other developed countries), in classrooms with classes far too large filled with students with the problems brought on by far too much unabated poverty.
Unequitable school funding, coupled with unchecked child poverty levels, added on to cruel, abusive accountability systems lead to the very worst conditions for teachers working in our neediest schools. And teachers’ working conditions are students’ learning conditions. Instead of this hyper-focus on teachERS we need to shift the conversation to what enivronments lead to great teachING. Therefore addressing issues like class size, amount of resources, teaching experience, support services, and poverty. If only reformers had waged a war that actually improved any of these realities.
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While there is little research, the same appears true for principals. Michelle Young (university Council for Educational Administration) and I have done work in this area and a major research organization is starting a 5 year national study on this.
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“. . . the more money you make, the worse working conditions you are willing to endure and the better your working conditions, the less salary you will demand.”
Nonsense! You’re try to tell me that CEO’s, hedge fund managers and others at the top of the economic heap have the worst working conditions? That’s absurd.
And the converse, many times those making the least have to endure the crappiest, unsafe working environments.
Start with a false premise end up with false conclusions.
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I was referring to the teaching profession and principals as well since they have opportunities elsewhere and pay is very compressed within the same geographic area. I make no assertions about other professions although I suspect nursing, professorship, and some similar occupations have the same dynamics.
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I believe Dr. Fuller is talking about the nonpecuniary benefits of a job. Any job is a bundle of characteristics including things like salary and working conditions. Salary is typically the most flexible aspect of that bundle of characteristics, so it is often used to compensate for other less flexible aspects of a job.
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The churn rate is even higher in some places. A teachers’ union rep for the Oakland (California) Unified School District told me that less than 50% of new teachers there last longer than 2 years. Some are fired, but most quit under the strain of working under very difficult circumstances. I personally know of 3 Oakland teachers who quit after students brought guns into their classrooms (in 3 separate incidents.)
In such circumstances the goal should be training and mentorship for teachers, not a stack ranking system that looks for ways to push even more people out of the profession.
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How can you have a stack rating when you have scores of positions unfilled ?
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purple:
It surely depends on the quality of the teachers that you have left. That said, it is probably not smart to do it when you have a large number of vacancies that you need to fill. Hiring new teachers should be a very time consuming job, if it is done correctly.
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Bernie, given that stack ranking is bad management practice, I don’t understand your comment. Why would you want to use a process that is so demoralizing and counterproductive to a collaborative work environment?
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Demoralizing. I think it hr practice is used without consideration for real human interactions. We have a data guy at our school. He gets high district rankings. He is brutal. I would not have allowed my sons to be in his class if he’d been there when they were in 4th grade.
You know, Bernie, the problem with internet searches for this kind of data is simply that it can’t have all the facts and humanity. You might be surprised at how many people are driven out, precisely because they ARE conscientious and even love kids. I know of many who have the same situations as I experienced. Don’t dismiss it. Data points don’t tell the real story.
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deb and 2old2tch:
The folks were interviewed and spoke freely to the press. They were moving to the next stage of their lives. People really do voluntarily retire.
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Yes. They do. I voluntarily retired. But, I was fed up with the bull. I had a great career. My scores were good. Always. I miss the kids. I miss most of my colleagues. I don’t miss the administration. I have thought the testing scenario was bogus ever since they switched from using it as a diagnostic tool to using it as a punitive “evaluation” of what HAD NOT been learned since it became evermore grade-inappropriate.
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Bernie,
Yes, there are teachers who are ready and eager to move on to the rest of their lives and harbor no animosity toward their former employers. However, there seem to be an unusual number who are deciding to retire sooner rather than later. As to interviews with the media, I am not sure it is always politic to badmouth a past employer even when you are retiring. Think of all the people who leave positions “for personal reasons.” Either you are well enough connected to already have something lined up or you know you will only hurt yourself if you pursue “justice.” Here I am, an unwilling retiree, not wanting to burn all my bridges. Earlier in my career, I made the mistake of thinking someone cared about my unjust treatment and voicing my distress. BIG NO-NO! Always remember to move gracefully into the sunset.
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2old2tch:
The basic issue is that it is easy to claim that School Districts are forcing out experienced teachers with higher salaries. My issue is the data that supports that assertion.
I hear the claim. I understand why it may be done. However, I do not see the data.
The point of my example is that the evidence in this particular case did not support the contention. Of course, they may have been forced out early. However, there was no evidence that this was in fact the case.
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Hmmm. The evidence you seek is buried. And it it buried in the realities of the reasons why employers wish to banish teachers’ unions. If there were the kinds of proof you seek, teachers would be suing the districts to keep their jobs. There is subtle coercion to get people to leave: 1) take away the teacher’s responsibilities, like heading up a department, 2) ignore their input and contributions, 3) ask them to perform tasks out of their comfort zone, 4) ask them to do physical duties that aren’t compatible with their health, 5) make sure the teacher has surprise evaluations during dismissal or end of the day, or 6) refuse to acknowledge any accomplishments and contributions being made by the teacher. Get the picture? The morale of those teachers is lessened to the point that their once vital, positive, fulfilling participation in the profession is sapped out of them. If they are close to retirement age, they do so to escape the deliberate disrespect and lack of appreciation deserved, even if, to the end, the teach students with excellent results.
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It would be a very sloppy school district that left a trail of evidence behind about efforts to get older teachers to retire. You would not find any data to support my contention that someone was encouraged to leave in the cases in which I know it happened. It would make an interesting survey to ask teachers if they personally knew of teachers who were encouraged to leave teaching early.
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2old2tch:
I don’t think that will work because of the example I have given. It is now assumed to be happening. The only real way to tell is by contemporaneous complaints to the union or actual legal action. It really should not be that hard to document and quantify.
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Yes, a trail would not be wise.
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Of course you can’t walk up to teachers on the street and ask them to publicly go on record that their schools have forced teachers out. The best you could do would be an anonymous survey. Complaints to your union rep are only effective if the administration has broken the contract. There are millions of ways to make your life uncomfortable without violating the contract. The union is not going to fight that battle, and legal action is mighty expensive. It’s not like someone is leaving a paper trail of nasty emails or witnesses behind. He said/she said does not constitute a court case. I’m sure there is not a paper trail that documents the number of Microsoft workers who have left because of a hostile work environment, but there are no lack of anecdotal accounts pointing to poor management.
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2old2tch:
The issue is not really anonymity, but rather separating out what people think is the case from what people know to be the case.
The other way to get an approximation is to analyze turnover and plot the number of people who retire leaving money on the table.
In my experience, teachers are very much aware of their retirement packages. My wife taught for many years and I was amazed at the frequency with which her colleagues talked about retirement when they were still young.
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That was my point earlier. I know of teachers who left early because I spoke to them. I am not talking about a grapevine survey.
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2old2tch:
I do not think stack ranking is appropriate for every set of circumstances. Its value depends on the situation that you are trying to address. I have certainly seen it work in promotion, turnaround and downsizing situations. In such situations it is generally superior to seniority.
Logically, empty position do not preclude stack ranking , which is what I inferred from the original comment.
Your point about stack ranking being antithetical to a collaborative work effort is on target.
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@ deb,
How small must the comfort zone be, how limited must the health limitations be, for the interests of this students trump the interests of the teacher?
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TE:
I think your comment has become disconnected from the deb comment you are replying to.
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They do that as people respond to email notification.
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I left due to exhaustion and stress related health issues. I have always tried to do what was required and to “keep up”. There does come a time in your life when you realize that your health and personal issues combined with the stress of constant indecision and change are no longer appropriate for the amount of time it takes to teach.
Sure, the young kids will bring the technology to the classroom. The under 30 crowd is on their phone almost every time you see them … I put mine in my purse and only turned it on when I was expecting a phone call that was absolutely necessary. Sure, I played Angry Birds after school or at lunch, but I didn’t FB during class.
The thing is, even if tech is a good thing in some instances, it shouldn’t be an “end”. We are human beings. We should know from the disasters of dating sites, overuse of FB for bullying, lying, and hiding reality that technology doesn’t replace the human touch.
So, I retired. It doesn’t help when no matter what you do, no matter how high you percentages, no matter what you have contributed to the community for decades, you are relegated to the “has been” group that “costs the district too much money”. And, even if you aren’t shoved out the door or fired, you begin to feel unwanted. And, that is no way to be happy in your work life. They have gotten most of us out the door now. Most who are left are under 45.
I have grown weary of the “fight”.
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Deb:
Your situation is your own so I really cannot comment. I did manage to look at a local district that was alluded to by another commenter, who claimed that the District Office was forcing out experienced and expensive teachers. Thanks to the Internet it was pretty easy to find who those folks were, their ages, their years in the system, and their plans after retirement. None appeared to have been “pushed out”.
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Bernie, do you really think you can tell whether someone has been pushed to leave a little earlier than they planned from internet data? It’s not hard to engineer someone’s retirement a few years short of what they plan, and it won’t show up on the internet!
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I taught high school science for 20 years. I think I got pretty darn good at it by the end. But I left teaching this year. I was frustrated be the emphasis on state tests (I was in PA) and the fact that student test scores would be used to influence my yearly evaluation, even though I did not teach a subject being tested. I was disappointed by the actions (and inaction) of the local school board, which had very poor relations with the teaching staff. I accepted a job where I am treated as a professional, trusted to use my judgement and do my job well, and judged on my personal, actual performance. I am sad to be out of the classroom and I miss my students. But I love my new job, where I leave the job at work at the end of the day and work only a little more than 40 hours per week. As a teacher, I had too much preparation and grading to do on weekends to enjoy my “free time.” Now I can relax on weekends. I loved teaching. But it is a tough job and there is not much incentive to stick with it, especially now as the pensions and benefits are being taken away by states and school boards. I can’t think of many reasons for a smart college graduate to go into teaching, unless they are super idealistic. There are too many other, much more attractive opportunities.
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And for just a moment, step out of the very real nightmare described here, and imagine this happening:
“Hire smart, empathetic teachers with depth and vision, and watch our children grow into a harvest of creative, thoughtful, articulate intellects and citizens.”
Diane posted this a few weeks back and it is where we have to go. Envision it.
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Absolutely agree with you. Why take the time and money to nurture new teachers only to have them leave before they know enough to be really good.
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We at Columbia College Chicago have a small, but excellent teacher preparation program. It has not been our experience that our graduates leave the field!
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John White screamed the other day (Louisiana) because almost all the teachers passed the evaluations instead of the 25% failure rate he was looking for. The only systems that failed a lot of teachers were those that are too anal retentive and rule bound that they don’t know a good teacher from a bad one. Of course these are middle class, high functioning systems where the kids are not generally difficult to teach. He was highly upset that almost all the teachers in mostly poor urban East Baton Rouge passed but only 6% in Ascension Parish made “highly qualified”.
He does not think “churn” is a bad thing because he is a TFA himself and only stayed in the classroom for about 2 years.
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Hire the best candidates you can find and work with them to help them become even better. This is sound educational policy. I can’t believe it is not sound business policy as well. Excessive churn hurts children. I believe it must also hurt any business that needs to deal with people.
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Look at the costs of replacing someone in the business world. You might be surprised at how much it costs.
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Ask administrators — churn is good. The ranchers, they tell me, used to shoot one coyote and leave the carcass where the others could see and smell it. Works with teachers too….
You want a staff that’s cowed, contingent, and compliant.That facilitates the selling of panaceas and the through-jumping of hoops no end.
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But if you do that with crows, it’ll attract more so it’s not good for the crows. So one might say that the TFAers are more like crows than coyotes. And coyotes (in contrast to coyote in the Road Runner cartoons) are quite smart (as are crows) and sneaky.
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I remember explaining to someone that for every teacher that is officially fired through due process, there are scores who are pulled aside and quietly told to resign or else termination proceedings will begin, and they generally do resign. These sorts of unofficial firings don’t make it into the statistics. I’m sure we have all seen it happen to both those who really needed to go and to those who didin’t deserve it.
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They almost always give teachers the option to resign because then the teacher is not eligible for unemployment insurance. They want you to think they are doing you a favor. Now, online applications not only ask if you have ever been fired but if you have been offered the chance to resign.
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Diane:
I managed a firm of 30-plus professionals for over 20 years. Before you or others ask, I have never managed teachers. The following is based upon my experience directly managing folks and working on performance evaluation processes for all kinds of organizations.
I absolutely agree with you that the hiring of teachers deserves considerable care and attention. Standards should be high. Prospective teachers should have portfolios of their work especially illustrating their classroom skills. Principals need to be trained on how to effectively interview and how to set up realistic and valid assessment simulations. New teachers who do not work out should be moved on as soon as it becomes clear that their deficiencies are not amenable to feedback and coaching. A good success rate on new hires is about 80%. In many organizations, the success rate is closer to 30% for senior positions.
In addition:
1. Retention of effective teachers should be a key district-wide and building goal – it does not matter whether they are new or experienced. Our estimates for the cost of a new hire is 2 times their salary & benefits.
2. New teachers should be mentored and developed. They should be given assignments and workloads commensurate with their role as first year or beginning teachers. Tough classes should be given to those who can best handle them.
3. Any performance evaluation process should be designed principally to provide developmental feedback that is seen by the classroom teacher as legitimate and useful.
4. The way to evaluate teachers is via regular in situ observations followed as soon as is practical by sessions to debrief the observations.
5. Such observations should be coupled with reviews of adherence to building wide administrative requirements such as effective student assessments, lesson plans, substitute folders, parental notifications, timely submission of grades, adherence to absence policies, etc.
6. The principal and department heads should manage the process in a way that ensures transparency, discussability and candor.
So how do you tell whether all the above are working effectively? Clearly there needs to be documentation. There also needs to be evidence that the principal and department heads are committed to continuously improving the quality of their staff.
There also needs to be evidence that the administration is able and willing to take appropriate personnel actions. When you have a staff of 30 or more teachers it defies the law of averages and human behavior that a principal will not have to let 1 or more teachers go over the course of a year or two. I have no fixed target number and the Jack Welch rule of getting rid of the bottom 10% only really works in real turnaround situations and then only for a couple of years. Its use is really an antidote to a failure to hire effectively and follow steps 1 thru 6 above. If a principal has not dismissed anyone, then the way they implement their performance review process needs to be looked at. It may be they have a cracker jack staff and everybody is doing the best they can possibly do under the circumstances. That is great, but it should not be the default assumption.
You will note that I am not advocating standardized tests in any of this. If you have effective principals and department heads you will not need them. Their advocacy is a reflection of a lack of evidence that School Superintendents and School Principals are willing and able to do the really tough and difficult job of managing their professional staffs and a need to cut through contractual obstacles to removing ineffective personnel.
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. Tough classes should be given to those who can best handle them.
Right off you show a naivete. Teaching is highly political. Practically this means rich parents demand that their kids get the best teachers, whether in Gifted programs or in top tier schools within a district.
I’m sorry if you as a principal but your best teachers in the tough classes, the parents with pull – whose kids are in Gifted – will get your ass fired.
Education has nothing to do with business. Stop pretending it does and stop lecturing.
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@purple,
Do you disagree with bernie1815 that tough classes SHOULD be taught by those that can best handle them? I take it to be a goal, certainly not a statement about how schools have been or are being run today.
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TE:
Thanks. You said it far more politely than I was about to.
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Beginning teaching has a distinct flavor of hazing and/or apprenticeship (done poorly). It is traditionally a time in which you pay your dues. You will have the most preps and the worst schedule. This is probably more obvious in poor districts where resources and support are in short supply for everyone, but, generally, you are not going to find newbies getting the prime assignments.
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Diane:
The issue of teacher turnover and attrition is longstanding. Ward Mason (1961) led a survey study in the late 50s on The Beginning Teacher. 51% wanted to stay in education but move out of the classroom, 29% wanted to stay in the classroom and 20% wanted to leave.
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Considering the salaries of teachers back then, no wonder they wanted to move out of the classroom. In 1974, my first salary was $6800. I have no idea how low it would have been 20 years prior!
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This is laughable because there are always unfilled positions in any urban school district. The entire strategy rests on a bad economy and a lot of underemployed new graduates.
How can you fire a bunch of people when you can’t even fill the positions you have now ?
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TFA!
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There is not a teacher shortage anywhere. It is estimated that we graduate four times the number if teachers needed in any given year. When I graduated I was told to accept any offered job even if it meant moving to another state or city as competition for jobs was high. This is one reason why teachers have so little say. There are too many of us. If one quits they can be replaced quickly.
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Any interest in moving to rural areas of the middle of the country? About a third of the teachers in my state are near retirement age.
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Not quite true. Here in Las Vegas, we have to use a lot of long-term subs in high school for math and science, somewhat less often for English and special ed. Also, the majority of new English teachers I have met are not yet qualified to teach the “best” classes such as AP. But I do agree that if possible, new teachers need a class or two they can look forward to, or they will burn out too fast. And they especially need a strong mentor, something our districts need to support more officially, including some kind of stipend for the teacher leader. It is very time intensive to mentor someone, and we do it over and over as so many of them do move on, at least around here.
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Sorry this is a bit off topic but I love this guy and what he says about teachers is AWESOME: http://tinyurl.com/m4nc6c9
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Teachers have the most important job outside of parents!!!
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At least one of our local universities wishes to utilize retired teachers as unpaid mentors for the college students. Again, our input is valued, if it is free. With the cost of gasoline and parking being so high, it isn’t really cost effective, esp for someone with only partial retirement. There is a disconnect, IMO, when people who serve must be paid poorly or not at all.
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Its definitely disheartening to see so many teachers leave the profession. Many school systems are doing a poor job of continuous training and transparency as far as work load. There should also be mentor teachers or PLC’s that new teachers are required to be a part of so that they continuously grow and have others that are working towards common goals. I have seen a number of teacher leave mid year due to lack of support or just being overwhelmed and not prepared.
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Teachers probably leave for various reasons, personal, professional, mental, physical, or all of the above. While I don’t agree with all that goes into implementation of this CC and testing process, I find that the means by which administrations, particularly principals, “enforce” the training of teachers, the preparation and professional development, and the speed at which it is implemented impact the teachers’ decisions to stay or to leave.
The most disheartening thing is for teachers who are goal oriented and try to do every single thing they’re told to do, even if they don’t agree with it, and then get shoved to move more quickly to learn completely new ideas and technologies, letting go of years of tried and true methods and successes. As people become older, their minds often move a bit more slowly, more meticulously, more cautiously. That isn’t to say that they can’t do what is forced upon them, but it is to say that they may question more and seem to be more resistant to change. Some are resistant. Some would rather take their time and try to do things “right”, work out the “kinks” and see if there are merits to the changes.
So, leaving the profession really can be a conscious choice due to CC and testing. It can also be due to disrespect. Or many people may be overwhelmed. Some don’t “learn quickly enough” for the demands and pressures. They ARE shoved out the door, even if it is subtle, not overt or obvious.
My school currently has about 40 teachers. At younger and younger ages, the teachers are truly expressing frustration with the idiocy of testing, testing, testing and having little time to TEACH. Then being evaluated on their teaching skills and the VAM. While many have retired, many have resigned. Stress is so high that people have seen their health declining. If they are young enough, they seem to be able to find ways to move into other careers. If they are older, many times their health is ruined by stress.
Funny thing though, in our area, major universities are developing mentor programs that bring in retired teachers to mentor the college students. But, mentoring is not a paid profession. So, although they “value” your wisdom, they don’t do so enough to actually pay for gas mileage, let alone for your services. That might sound “mercenary”, but, if your income is limited due to retirement, and gasoline costs $3.50 per gallon, you might have to do without something you need in order to do this mentoring.
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I believe it is mainly the advent of cyber bullying that is to blame.
A great explanation of this phenomneon in a nutshell can be found here:
http://www.webanswers.com/social-sciences/psychology/what-is-the-latest-aspect-of-bullying-that-is-causing-our-school-systems-to-lose-teachers-eb396e
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As a teacher with a background in very tough inner city schools who was hired in the suburbs I now hate it! It is a factory. The kids do not ask questions, problem solve, do critical thinking. The info goes in and is written on paper. If you think back to what you liked about school, more than likely it was not taking notes. I cannot see myself lasting at this school for more than a year. If these are the positions teachers wait for than I would rather do something else. While the city kids do not have that vast amount of information the suburban kids do at least they remember what I taught them because I was creative and did not teach to the test. I have a toddler…..Would I ever put him in public school? Never!
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