Keith Barber posted this point-counterpoint on Medium. Barber is a retired lawyer and lifelong Republican (pre-Trump). He presents the best arguments for tariffs, then explains why none of those claims make sense.
Keith writes:
A friend sent me a pro-tariff missive a MAGA friend of his shared. My friend wanted to know what I thought of it. Here is what he sent me.
“In its most basic form a tariff is a tax placed on imported goods. For instance, China sells widgets in the U.S. A 10% tariff on China would mean that for every widget China sells in the U.S., China must pay the U.S. federal government 10%.
Currently, foreign trade with the U.S. is extremely imbalanced. For example: the U.S. may charge China a 10% tariff BUT, China charges the U.S. a 50% tariff. This means more Chinese goods get sold in the U.S. than U.S. goods sold in China.
These grossly imbalanced tariffs (international tax) have encouraged U.S. manufacturers to move manufacturing OUT of the U.S., eliminating good paying middle class U.S. jobs. By raising tariffs on imported goods, U.S. companies are incentivized to return manufacturing to the U.S. because it will be more profitable to produce in the U.S. than to pay high import tariffs.
In the short term U.S. pricing will increase. HOWEVER, within 1 year those prices will decrease as manufacturers return to U.S. production. Not only will prices return to more affordable pricing but, 100’s of millions U.S. middle class jobs will become available hence, raising the standard of living for the American worker.
Prior to 1850 over 90% of all federal revenue came from international tariffs AND income tax did not exist and was deemed unconstitutional. In 1913, the U.S. federal government implemented the federal income tax scheme upon all U.S. workers. Today only 2% of all federal revenue comes from tariffs. The remaining federal revenue comes from income taxes, state taxes and borrowed money from the Federal Reserve, which weakens the U.S. dollar.
A strong and fair tariff system has the potential to not only reduce federal income taxes but, even eliminate them. Again, providing a higher standard of living for the American worker.”
I responded to my friend pointing out the numerous flaws, and flat out factual misrepresentations, of his friends arguments. What follows is a cleaned up version of that, along with some additional thoughts.
Let’s start with this: “For instance, China sells widgets in the U.S. A 10% tariff on China would mean that for every widget China sells in the U.S., China must pay the U.S. federal government 10%.”
Absolutely false. The American importer would pay the 10%, not China. Think about it. How would you, how could you, make China itself pay? This fundamental error of fact alone is sufficient to trash the rest of the arguments above. It also shows that whoever authored it is absolutely clueless regarding how tariffs work.
Nor is the 50–10 characterization of tariffs accurate. To be sure, China uses a variety of arguably unfair regulatory procedures to limit U.S. imports, but Chinese tariffs have generally been imposed as responsive to American tariffs. Cheap labor is why Chinese goods are less expensive compared to American products, not tariffs.
The entire notion of tariffs returning production to America ignores the economic concept of competitive advantage. It also ignores the realities of things as simple as geography and weather. You really think lost avocado imports from Mexico and Central America can be moved to the United States? That Colombian coffee can be grown here? And even if it could, which it can’t, Trump’s taking the cheap employment base out of this country to do it.
Things that used to be produced in America were moved out because they could be made less expensively elsewhere. Government intervention in the market with a tariff/tax to compel production in the United States means the product will be more expensive for the simple reason that it costs more to make it here (more on that in a moment).
Which gets to another ridiculous claim: “100’s of millions U.S. middle class jobs will become available hence, raising the standard of living for the American worker.”
First, in a nation of about 330 million there are not 100s of millions of workers to work in additional middle class jobs. Right now the United States has only about 7 million unemployed.
Further, most of these jobs would not be middle class. Does the idiot who wrote this really think China is paying American middle class wages to the workers doing it now? Made in America will only be as cheap if we pay our workers what China pays its workers. If you think the price of your iPhone is high now, try paying American middle class wages to the workers who make it.
This proposed government market intervention/manipulation operating against the free enterprise model conservatives falsely claim to love. We would understand it be exactly that sort of government powered market manipulation (dare I call it “socialism”?) if, for example, the state of Florida attempted to tax cars made in Michigan in order to use this governmental power to compel the development of a Florida auto industry. And Florida would get to say this state “tariff” is also to raise revenue and reduce the tax burden on Floridians. But the truly nonsensical nature of this can be understood when Michigan retaliates by imposing a tariff/tax on Florida oranges. As if oranges can be grown in Michigan.
I also got a laugh at the “within 1 year” the production will magically shift to the America, which is simply made up. How long does it take to build a steel mill? An auto plant? The highly sophisticated factories where microchips are made? What divorced from reality lunatic thinks that can be done at scale in less than a year? Oh, and when you build those microchip factories, you need the raw materials, coming from . . . well not here.
That tariffs could ever make near enough money to eliminate federal income taxes is just another flat out absurdity. A comparison to 1913 when the federal budget was 2% of GDP (it’s well over ten times that now) reflects the dishonest approach involved. U.S. military spending alone now is nearly double that 2%. Even getting close to the 1913 standard would require eliminating social security, medicare, medicaid and much more. Of course, maybe that is the real objective.
Further, this use of tariffs to substitute for income taxes involves an obvious Catch-22. If tariffs won’t financially harm Americans because of increased domestic production, then tariffs can’t make much money either. It is only by transferring the expense of tariffs on still imported goods to American consumers that tariffs can make any money at all. Whoever wrote this rubbish completely disregarded that the benefit they claim, of tariffs increasing domestic production, totally destroys their argument that tariffs will make so much money we can eliminate income taxes.
To the extent tariffs would substitute for income tax that substitution would be to create what amounts to a regressive sales tax to reduce progressive income taxes. Which means the entire tax substitution argument is shell game trying to sneak a benefit for the wealthy at the expense of the poor and middle class.
I’d like to conclude with a truncated version of the last paragraph: “A strong and fair tariff system has the potential to . . . [provide] a higher standard of living for the American worker.”
If this argument is valid, then it would be valid for every nation. Supposedly the standard of living for everyone in the world would be better if every nation in the world had “a strong and fair tariff system.” The workers of the world would be better off if every nation just hunkered down its entire manufacturing and agricultural and energy bases to make everything it needs so every country imports nothing and exports nothing.
For reasons of competitive advantage, that include everything from geography to labor costs to climate, this notion is simply not true. As but a single extreme example, how is landlocked Mongolia to get fish? How is America to get inexpensive coffee? And so on.
Whoever wrote this simple minded garbage could not pass the most basic course in economics, or for that matter, common sense.
I would add another bonus point. Trump isn’t even trying to justify the tariffs with the bogus economic arguments presented in the “point” piece above. Rather, Trump is trying to claim that it’s all about stopping illegal immigration and fentanyl.
Neither argument legitimately applies to Canada, and the fentanyl argument does not apply to either Canada or Mexico. The vast bulk of fentanyl is smuggled into the United States through legal ports of entry. Further, it is Americans who bring 86% of the fentanyl across the border. As it turns out, the drug lords pushing fentanyl don’t want to trust so valuable a product to some desperate middle aged mother trying to cross the border with her five year old daughter to escape political persecution in Venezuela.
Blaming immigrants for fentanyl tells me you are not serious about that problem. You don’t want to solve it, you just want to blame it on people you already don’t like.

I had another thought on tariffs because I tend to look at issues and the impact they will have on working people. Tariffs are another form of regressive taxation. While everyone will have to pay for them, the impact of them will tend to hit working people, the poor and elderly more in proportion to their incomes, many of which are fixed incomes. The wealthy will have to pay for tariffs as well. However, in proportion to the amount they must pay on the current income tax schedule, they would receive a gigantic windfall. They are not going to be replacing all their luxury items in any given year, and many luxury items will not be coming from China. Tariffs without an income tax will also likely result in fewer charitable donations as there would be less incentive for the wealthy to make such donations. Tariffs place the economic burden squarely on the shoulders of working families, many of whom live paycheck to paycheck.
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Actually, a few more corrections, Diane.
1. It is not “China,” nor “Canada” nor “Mexico” that is the importer and it is not a nation on which the tariff is imposed. The importer is a company or factory or manufacturer or trader or sales entity based in a named nation.
2. The U.S. importer pays the tariff, as you say. However, the tax on the value of the imported goods, including freight and insurance of imported products, can include national sales and local taxes, and in some instances customs fees, often charged in addition to the tariff.
3. The tariff, along with the other assessments, is collected at the time of customs clearance at the entry port. The customs and border officials have in the past had to clear incoming shipments within 10 days of arrival. These new tariffs may add further strain on the system.
4. Who really gets harmed: US importers and the public, yes. However, the idea that a tariff on aluminum and steel will stimulate US production of aluminum and steel does not pencil out. A. Who is going to invest in new aluminum and steel plants? B. How long does it take to get new aluminum and steel to market, from investment to construction to contracts? C. What are the potential markets for US aluminum and steel?
And government contractors take a loss with no recourse.
https://govcon.mofo.com/topics/deja-vu-all-over-again-trump-s-tariffs-and-their-impact-on-government-contractors
5. Who really benefits: Smugglers.
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This is how we’re lied to. Anyone who says going after migrants crossing illegally through the southern border is either an idiot or a fool.
It will never cease to amaze me how many evils are laid at the feet of people who have nothing to do with bringing illegal drugs into the country.
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Find the outsiders in your country and blame them irrespective of their circumstances or station in the society.
A dirty little page out of History that more than a few nations or peoples would rather have you not turn to.
It was a given that Trump, his Court and the Unholy Church would bring this into play. They aren’t renowned for Intelligence of Deep thinking.
(PS Too much to ask that that fool Vance will not set foot in Europe again or open his fool mouth on any subject outside of the USA)
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Vance is terrifying. He has a modicum of brains and a love of evil.
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And very low grade when set against those who have gone before.
It says much about the state of politics these days that it is possible to feel even a smidge of nostalgia for the operators of previous decades. Even with all their demons, flaws and deals they could display perspective and realise there were limits. And if they did step over those limits the public would have had the common sense to cast them out.
Looking back to the 1960s/ 70s Trump would have been chewed up and spat out at the first primaries after his disgusting remark about McCain. what a gift to folk like LBJ, Nixon or Reagan.
As for Vance he would have just been a throw away joke remark made by junior staffers when compiling the first list to pass onto the senior staffers who would discuss grown ups with the candidate.
We live in shallow times.
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And we send high powered guns to Mexico
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Sadly enough Americans want to believe that those dirty immigrants are bringing in drugs, rather than the nice kid down the street who attends their church or their own family member.
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Drugs are a white collar business, and have been for a long while.
And there’s a big ocean on either side.
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Never under estimate the Twin Powers of Denial and Wishful thinking.
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Don’t forget ignorance.
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True.
How the Human Race ever managed to get to 8 billion is a mystery to me.
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The internet wasn’t invented until January 1983. AI wasn’t widespread until recent years. The impact of AI is starting to be felt. No telling how much damage that will cause once it is firmly widespread.
And prior to air travel, it took a lot longer to travel long distances. And that also took place during the last century.
Travel by air became more common in the 1930s, 1950s. amd 1960s.
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As I write this the 2nd time and hope it doesn’t get deleted again, I’m cursing a flood of “F” bombs aimed at WordPress. This is happening way too much lately in all WordPress blogs I where I leave comments. Even my blogs.
Anyway, starting over again:
The US population below the wealthiest 10% should learn something from 1.4 billion Chinese. In China, when their government report something regarding a hot button issue, most if not all Chinese think it’s a lie.
FELON47, the January 6, 2021, TRAITOR does nothing but lie. Only deplorable fools believe anything he says. That’s not entirely accurate, I think that malignant narcissist told us the truth when he said he’s going to be a dictator. Maybe the only time.
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Agreed on Trump, though I would add, that for some he is also the action toy they wished for, and oh joy in his case found in some Walmart bargain bin.
As for WP. Oh I feel your pain. I really do. It’s why if I am writing anything of length it first goes onto a Word Doc(which is ‘saved- don’t trust you either Word) then is copy and pasted on the WP site.
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Lloyd: Maybe type your comment in your computer phone’s notes app then copy and paste it into the comment field. This will lessen frustration if it’s deleted.
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The author gives a high school level explanation of Adam Smith’s basic assertions about economics: that some places provide resources better than others. Aluminum,for example, may be processed much more cheaply in Iceland due to abundant geothermal energy. Apparently Trump did not attend high school, unless you believe that his intentions are not what he says they are.
I cannot speak of his intentions, but his behavior is counter to American interests. His voters are easily led because conservatives dominate the press. There is almost no rational discussion of this that reaches 53% of the news consumer.
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The idiotic essay defending against tariffs that Keith easily rebuts was posted by a MAGA friend of mine after Trump threatened huge tariffs against Canada and Mexico. I doubt that my MAGA friend wrote it. Trump wanted big tariffs, so all his supporters started cheerleading for them, but then Trump walked the whole thing back, so the point was mute. A pundit said this is what’s known as the Trump cycle. “He makes a stupid decision-Bad things happen-He says he has magically solved the problem-He reverses his stupid decision.”
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David,
Trump still believes that tariffs will produce trillions in revenue for the federal government and no one will need to pay taxes. I guess his economic advisors are afraid to tell him that tariffs are paid by consumers. Inflation.
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I read a story where they talked to a guy who had grown up with Trump. He told how once, he and Trump and some other neighbor kids were talking about boxers. Trump started talking about one boxer they all knew, but he got the name wrong. One of the kids said he had the name wrong, it wasn’t “Buddy,” it was “Billie”. Trump said no, it was “Buddy”. The others laughed and said no, he had it wrong. Everyone agreed it was “Billy”. They told Trump he was wrong, no big deal, but Trump kept insisting they were wrong, it was “Billy”. He just refused to admit he’d got the name wrong. He kept insisting he was right. It got ridiculous.
The story was an early example of how Trump behaves, how petty he is. how insecure. He got something wrong in his head, and even when everyone corrected him, told him the actual name, Trump wouldn’t relent. He would never just admit he had something, even something this trivial, wrong.
And that’s how he is today. Like on tariffs. Even when experts tell him he has them wrong, he will never, never admit he made a mistake.
To me, that story tells all you have to know about the kind of infant Trump is.
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I meant to say The idiotic essay advocating for tariffs that Keith easily rebuts.
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Everything the January 6, 2021, Traitor had done since 2016 and is still doing is designed to destroy the United States as a world power and economically. When he flies away from that wreck he’ll leave behind, he will be worth a thousand times+ more than he was back in 2016, and the U.S. will be a dystopian wasteland. A place no one sane wants to live in.
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He ain’t that smart. But he’s a user’s dream. He’ll fall for anything.
Why do you think Putin’s such a chum?
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While all may be correct about the effect of tariffs. The notion that there is/was free trade or open markets is absurd. Trade agreements are negotiations about picking winners and losers. A conscious decision was made to place blue collar industrial workers in direct competition with some of the lowest paid labor in the world. Certainly American manufacturers who off shored production benefited by being able to have higher profit margins. The American consumer benefited with somewhat lower prices. It is hard to argue that millions of workers who lost relatively good paying jobs benefited . Free trade agreements were basically licenses for American corporations to offshore and have their interests protected in the other country. Tariffs were not very high to begin with. Particularly high among those interest were the Government enforced monopolies we call patents. So workers were expendable no need to insist on Labor or environmental standards in low wage countries . But the profits of a Pharma and Tech companies are sacrosanct. After all what could be more important than making poor people in India or for that matter Americans pay hundreds of thousand for a vital drug treatment that including all research,production and distribution costs, cost the Pharma company a few hundred or a few thousand. One should not say intellectual property and free market with a straight face. Yet protecting those property rights was always highest in our trade agenda. Along with stability for their off shored investments . Another winner was the provisions for investor dispute resolution (ISDS). Allowing individual investors/ Corporations (vs Nations) to sue in front of an international tribunal . Challenging National laws from environmental to labor on the basis that they restricted trade. A big reason that 1300 mostly progressive groups opposed TPP. And provisions that Democrats were able to kill in NAFTA 2.0 . Check out the graph from the BLS . There was no massive surge in automation in the early 2000s. Those surges happened in the 80s and 90s . Between 98 and 2008 before the Great Recession there was a bloodbath in Manufacturing jobs. The new factories built overseas. Now the genie is out of the bottle those jobs are not coming back. Certainly this added to the discontent that brought FASCISTS to power. https://www.bls.gov/opub/btn/volume-9/forty-years-of-falling-manufacturing-employment.htm( Diane I’ve been reading but too disgusted to comment. The working class I defend here deserves the ass kicking they are going to get. )
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Joel, wouldn’t it be more accurate to say that developing nations (particularly China) reached a point in industrialization where they could produce goods of comparable quality to those produced in US? It goes w/o saying they could do it cheaper, paying labor peanuts in far-lower-COL societies. But how did they get there? The biggest problem to me always seemed to be that US had no protectionist policies whatsoever. The govts of Japan earlier, then China subsidized their developing industries to an extraordinary degree. In contrast to ours, which went on merrily assuming the invisible hand of the market would just wave a wand.
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”Politics Who Determines Who Gets What When And How “ Laswell
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OK, tried twice to post a comment. Just disappeared both times. WP doesn’t even say kit’s in moderation. (??)
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And my responses vaporized as well
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Disqus is little better.
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