John McWhorter is a professor of linguistics who writes frequently for the New York Times. In this column, he reviews Trump’s claim that he knows exactly what he is doing when he jumps from topic to topic, sometimes in the same breath. Trump said he was “weaving” and said that his oratorical style was “brilliant.”
Donald Trump’s word-salad oratory has always been a distinctive feature of his public life, leaving some observers to grasp for a novel way to describe it. Last week Trump himself gave it a name, one that sounds kind of like a ’70s dance: “the weave.”
“You know what the weave is?” he asked the crowd at a rally in Johnstown, Pa. “I’ll talk about like nine different things, and they all come back brilliantly together, and it’s like, friends of mine that are, like, English professors, they say, ‘It’s the most brilliant thing I’ve ever seen.’”
I wonder if somewhere in the recesses of his mind, one of those English professors is me.
No friend of his am I (nor an English professor exactly — my field is Linguistics), but I wrote in 2018, in response to speculation even then that Trump was suffering some kind of dementia, that in listening to him we must realize that informal, occasionally jumbled speech is not automatically incoherent.
Consider this much-dissected sample, from back in 2015:
Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at M.I.T.; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, they do a number ….
Franklin Roosevelt would not have been caught dead talking like this in public. But especially with intonation, pacing and context, Trump manages to convey meaning thoroughly in this passage. An audience member could hear that the parts about Wharton and his defensiveness about his intelligence were an extended parenthetical. We know how to navigate those sentences because the truth is that’s how lots of casual conversation goes.
But Trump’s weaving style is still disturbing, because of what it demonstrates about his state of mind.
It’s one thing to overlap topics within a jolly conversation with a friend, when you might laughingly say, “We’re so many layers in!” But to jump around this way at a podium, supposedly on matters of broad public importance, suggests an inability to sustain attention — at least on anything beyond one’s self — which is a quality that so many of the people who have worked with him have confirmed. Presidents are supposed to be able to focus.
If the weave reflects a failure of attention on the part of the speaker, however, it demands an almost burdensome amount of attention for the listener. Especially lately, the connections between one topic and another become ever more murky. Trump lives to a disconcerting degree in his own head and shows no inclination to face outward…
Intimates chewing the fat about things mutually understood get the job done. But Trump, stringing together insights with no outwardly discernible connection, just chews his own fat.
Or bacon. “You take a look at bacon and some of these products,” Trump said at a recent town hall in Wisconsin. “Some people don’t eat bacon anymore. And we are going to get the energy prices down. When we get energy down — you know, this was caused by their horrible energy — wind, they want wind all over the place. But when it doesn’t blow, we have a little problem.”
Figuring out how wind power raises the cost of bacon takes some work. As does the connection, in remarks last year, between shark bites and being electrocuted. “If I’m sitting down and that boat is going down and I’m on top of a battery and the water starts flooding in,” Trump said, “I’m getting concerned, but then I look 10 yards to my left and there’s a shark over there, so I have a choice of electrocution and a shark, you know what I’m going to take? Electrocution. I will take electrocution every single time, do we agree?”
It all made perfect sense — to him. Those who care to join him on these journeys are always welcome to do so, welcome to nod along or laugh at the punchlines. But he makes no effort to meet other people where they are.
Speaking effectively means mastering, usually subconsciously, two types of expression: planned and unplanned language. Planned language is public address and most writing; unplanned speech is conversation, texting and the like. Trump is satisfied to cast important addresses as unplanned verbal kaleidoscopy.
Flouting the codes of planned language is boorish to some, relatable to others. But it’s more than a matter of style. It’s a refusal to think ahead or consider the perspective of others, things we should rightly expect our leaders to do. Presidents should have a responsibility to speak outwardly and above, communicating to and for us, not just to themselves. Trump’s “weave” can be amusing, but it is yet another attribute that proves him — almost every time he opens his mouth — to be unfit for office.

It’s like speaking in tongues. Because their belief is all-encompassing, the gullible cultists think they know what he’s saying. I’d like to ask one of them to translate into coherent English. Until then, it’s nothing but gibberish.
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I have not had a problem with people who have communication issues, including those who weave, probably due to my training and experience teaching in Special Education, but I truly cannot stand tRump’s weave. It gives me very severe migraines.
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Trump’s mind is a MIISH-MASH…thus his “word salads.”
Trump never did have much intelligence, but now it’s worse.
Even psychologists think Dump has dementia.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2024/09/trump-harris-debate-cognitive-decline/679803/
DonOLD is truly UNFIT to serve a slug.
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I don’t think there is anything “brilliant” about intentionally giving long-winded stream of consciousness speeches. Virtually anyone could do that if they just open their mouths and keep yapping without engaging in much, if any, forethought. With tRump, it demonstrates that he assumes everything he says is going to be considered valuable by listeners, even though he has serious problems with rambling, not making sense and a lack of self-editing. He does it because his ego is so huge that he thinks people are captivated by whatever he happens to say. I find it infuriating that he weaves on purpose. No wonder there have been reports lately about a lot of people leaving his rallies early.
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Yeah, the Trump show is getting boring even for the Trumpanzees.
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If even they aren’t enraptured by tRump’s self-serving repetitive blusters & same old same old, it’s not a good sign for him –while any time they catch onto him and his shtick, it’s great for us!
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At this point, the ones who used to supply Trump with fresh material–Satan, Steve Bannon, and former Propaganda Minister Stephen “Goebbels” Miller, have figured out that Donnie is not only going to lose AGAIN but is going to go down in flames bigly (Trump’s New York Toddler pronunciation of “big league”). So, he is left with the same old same old, and it’s BORING. You look at him, and he’s even boring himself.
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“It’s a refusal to think ahead or consider the perspective of others, things we should rightly expect our leaders to do.”
This is true, but it is incomprehensible (but typical) that yet another NYT writer misses the forest for the trees and sane-washes Trump.
“Speaking effectively means mastering, usually subconsciously, two types of expression: planned and unplanned language. Planned language is public address and most writing; unplanned speech is conversation, texting and the like.”
McWhorter presents what Trump does as wrongly using “unplanned speech” in his public addresses instead of “planned language”.
This is, according to McWhorter, “boorish”. It’s a sign that Trump is selfish. How wrong of Trump to use unplanned language, although his fans might think it is “relatable”.
McWhorter criticizes Trump for selfishly expecting listeners to meet him where he is:
“Trump is satisfied to cast important addresses as unplanned verbal kaleidoscopy.
Flouting the codes of planned language is boorish to some, relatable to others.”
McWhorter cites two of Trump’s typical mish mash speeches, where he talks about bacon and wind and energy prices, and then batteries and sharks, and essentially sand-washes them by criticizes Trump’s selfishness in using unplanned language and expecting listeners to meet him where he is.
As if IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE for anyone to meet Trump where he weaves. As if Trump isn’t the crazy guy on the corner ranting nonsense and a couple true things and as if anyone who listens to him and says they understand is not either lying, brainwashed, or cognitively impaired themselves. Or isn’t a cowardly NYT writer who is still afraid to say the Emperor has no clothes. But those NYT writers are so brave to explain the the Emperor is selfish and has a bad attention span and it’s wrong for a leader like him to expect the townspeople to see his new clothes as he sees them, he needs to show them his new clothes in a different way, but maybe he lacks the attention to show him his clothes in a different way, and that means he isn’t a good leader even though a lot of townspeople don’t mind meeting the Emperor where he is and making those townspeople work much harder to see the new clothes he is wearing.
That Emperor is so unfit because he makes people work too hard to see his new clothes because of the unplanned language he uses, and that makes the Emperor unfit.
What makes the Emperor unfit is that he is either blatantly lying by telling people he is wearing new clothes when he is not. Or he actually believes he is wearing new clothes when he is not. It isn’t that he is using an informal communication style that makes the townspeople work way too hard to figure out that he is wearing new clothes.
The Emperor is NOT unfit because of his “refusal to think ahead or consider the perspective of others, things we should rightly expect our leaders to do.” That is true, but it is leaving out the much more obvious way that he is unfit! He’s naked! And he’s telling people he is not!
Sane-washing.
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Great points! I think the linguist’s first mistake was not asking a followup question after tRump claimed he was weaving and described how brilliant he was to do that, such as by asking him where he got it from. That’s because I highly doubt tRump’s capable of making an analogy like that himself. I think a sycophant probably told him all that.
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nycpsp– Wow, you are really stretching here in your perennial effort to dump on NYT coverage. McWhorter is quite clear: “yet another attribute that proves him– almost every time he opens his mouth– to be unfit for office.”
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Yep, I’m one of those awful people, like nytpitchbot, Jeff Jarvis, Rebecca Solnit, Marcy Wheeler, and the other people who just need to shut up and stop criticizing the NYT.
“yet another attribute….”?? Sorry, can you be more specific and name the other attributes that you believe McWhorter is referring to here? Is McWhorter expecting readers to just guess that there must be other attributes that make Trump unfit but is following the NYT rule of not mentioning them? Like the lies that the NYT doesn’t report on? Or the insane rantings about childcare that the NYT reporter left out of his story about how conservative women just loved what Trump said.
Media critics understand that if you are reporting a story where the Emperor is making an appearance and WEARING NO CLOTHES – but says he is! – your story should be about that – not a story that sane-washes what is right in front of their eyes. Not a story that explains away the lies and insanity of the Emperor by pivoting to a totally irrelevant point in which the the writer analyzes the language the Emperor uses to talk about his beautiful new clothes and criticizes the Emperor for making the conscious choice to use informal and unplanned language to tell the townspeople that he is wearing a beautiful new outfit. And that was very rude of him so he’s unfit to be Emperor.
Trump does NOT have a “communication problem”.
Trump has a truth-telling problem.
It is Trump’s lies that make him unfit.
Trump is NOT unfit because he uses unplanned language. Seriously does anyone believe that what Trump said would have been okay if only he had used “formal, planned speech” so voters didn’t have to work so hard to understand him?
This article has made Trump’s lies and all the most powerful reasons why Trump is unfit disappear from the narrative. Instead, this article says Trump is unfit because he’s too rude and communicates using unplanned language when he should not.
It doesn’t surprise me that voters believe Trump is an acceptable choice when the NYT writes stories that sane-wash what Trump says.
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I some mixed feelings about the earlier video posted, but this one is (to me) perfect – although it does have some salty language.
(Uncensored) Nick Offerman, “Proud to be a Kamala Man”
(If my link doesn’t work and anyone wants to see it, it’s on youtube.
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^^^It’s not letting me post the link, sorry. But worth googling and the comments by people are youtube are so telling — a lot of veterans, former Republicans.
I really hope that America is coming to its’ senses. There will always be the crazies, but too many people who aren’t crazy aren’t reminded of who Trump is that is right out there in the open!!
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^^Also if you watch it, freeze the video on the very last shot.
It’s a cartoon drawing of Nick Offerman wearing a MAGA hat, except the “G” is crossed out and an “L” is above the cross out. And a “KA” is added before the “MAGA”. Changes “MAGA” to Kamala. Really brilliant idea.
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Consider this thread from Traitor Trump’s weave on January 6, 2021
But first, what does being a patriot mean to most people?
Before introducing one thread from Traitor Trump’s almost 11,000 word weave on his violent insurrection day, it’s important to know what that means.
DEFINITION: “a patriot is a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors.”
In the transcript for Traitor Trump’s chaotic weaving speech on January 6, 2021, the word fight or fighting is mentioned 21 times. A couple of time by the traitor’s mob.
The word “fake” is used 7 times referring to big tech, fake news, fake elections, et al
Traitor Trump said peacefully once early on page 4 in the 19 page chaotically weaving transcript of his insurrection speech.
“I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”
Even in that one sentence where peacefully was mentioned, its mentioned along with the word patriotically, while he repeated the word fight almost 20 times throughout the rabble-rousing speech including the word fake seven times.
If weaving like that is deliberate as Traitor Trump had now admitted, then this cheating, serial-lying, malignant narcissist and convicted rapist, fraud and felon knows exactly what he is doing and what he wants his faithful, fascist MAGA cult to do for him.
That is diabolical, which mean extremely evil and cruel.
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Agree. I’d say that “weaving” is a word falsely used by cowardly journalists to inform the public that Trump’s blatant lies he spews to foment outrage and violence are actually normal, but some partisan anti-Trump people aren’t wise enough to understand that it’s more normal for people to speak like this in an informal setting, and not in speeches like Trump does.
Give me a break! The folks at the NYT have jumped the shark.
It’s not surprising that Trump picked up on the word that NYT writers apparently believe justifies why it would be a journalistic crime against humanity to ever mention that something Trump says is a blatant lie.
No matter what Trump does – including the blatant lies that rile up the public to hate and act out violently – it is all in service to his weave, and therefore should not be considered newsworthy.
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Trump is running as a full-blown, unabashed Fascist, concentration camps and all.
Inside Team Trump’s Plans For Mass Deportation Camps (msn.com)
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Very scary.
There is also this:
“Trump writes in his new coffee-table book that Trudeau’s mother, Margaret, was “somehow associated” with Castro and notes that “a lot of people say that Justin is his son.”
The former president adds: “He swears that he isn’t but how the hell would he know! Castro had good hair, the ‘father’ didn’t, Justin has good hair, and has become a Communist just like Castro.”
I guess Trump is giving Justin Trudeau the Obama treatment, the Ted Cruz treatment, the Kamala treatment.
And why not? It’s not like he is worried he will ever lost any credibility in the media for it.
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Orwellian afterthought:
Question: What’s the difference between a Trump Word Weave and a pile of his stinking excrement? Answer: Nothing. CBK
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Times Derangement Syndrome in this thread.
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Yep. I notice you use the phrase TDS – “Times Derangement Syndrome” to invoke similarities to “Trump Derangement Syndrome”, the term frequently used to disparage people who were “just too critical” of Trump.
lol! I think time has more than proved that the people suffering from TDS who were “just too critical” of Trump were right.
Maybe if voters would have listened to those supposedly “deranged” people who just were too critical of Trump instead of spewing nasty insults at them to discredit them and get them to shut up, our country wouldn’t be in this mess. Perhaps more people would have joined those supposedly “deranged” folks suffering from TDS and recognized how serious the problems with Trump were, because the guy who was the leader of the birthers, the guy who had already conned people into attending his fake university, the guy who extorted a foreign leader to smear his campaign opponent, and inciting an insurrection etc., etc. etc would NOT today be on the cusp of winning re-election with the Supreme Court informing him he has immunity from any actions he takes as president.
Trump’s speeches and promises are getting worse. The stuff he and the folks he is putting in power want are not a “joke”.
I do get that it’s always a clever diversion when people hear criticisms of something they love a lot but they are unable to defend what they love from critics. So instead, they called critics “deranged.” They turn it into a joke.
So your very frequent use of the term “Times Derangement Syndrome” here to make the point that people critical of the NYT reporting should be treated with the same mocking derision as the people suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome who were “too critical” of Trump? It is spot on. But probably not in the way you intended.
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A lot of polemic against McWhorter:
Consider something pretty basic in-play here (rather the conspiracy narrative):McWhorter is an academic. Academics take very small bits of an issue to examine them more closely. McWhorter expects YOU, the reader, to know the bigger picture, the whole of the issue/problem. If your expectation is that every writer on any issue will include everything plus the kitchen sink, and align it perfectly to your POV—you might have to do a little introspection and figure out what’s coming up for you.#YMMV #carryon
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