President Biden finally conceded to the growing crescendoes of fellow Democrats urging him to leave the race.
This is a historic and sad moment.
Joe Biden has been a GREAT President!
But his disastrous debate performance last month doomed his candidacy.
My personal preference: Kamala Harris for President.
For Vice President: Governor Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan or Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota.
Either team would be a bold, innovative statement that would bring excitement to voters. Younger voters would especially be attentive to a team that is fresh, thoughtful, well-informed and articulate. They would be well situated to confront abortion, climate change, gun control, and voting rights, all of which Republicans have attacked.
If Democrats decide to add a man to the ticket, Andy Beshear would be a great choice, as a governor in a red state. He has demonstrated his ability to get bipartisan support and he is a strong friend to public schools. Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania would be a terrible choice because he supports charters and vouchers, probably because of words whispered by Jeff Yass, a multibillionaire who is the richest man in Pennsylvania and an arch-enemy of public schools even though he was educated in NYC public schools.
I’m sad to see President Biden step down. He will go down in history as one of our best presidents because of his legislative accomplishments, done with a razor-thin majority or none at all.
But I’m excited about the prospect of seeing Kamala Harris debate Trump, whose ignorance of policy is well known.
Diane Ravitch's blog 
Biden’s legacy as president has already been established. Biden is ranked 14th. Traitor Trump dead last.
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I regret seeing him go. I hope he doesn’t have long COVID.
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bullshit.💩 your post is based on personal hatred, Trump derangement syndrome.
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Correction: “bullshit.
your post is based on personal hatred, tRump cultista syndrome.
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Have no idea how that emoji enlarged itself in the copy and paste process.
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Duane, it was appropriate. You should see the hateful comments I deleted by the same “Harry.” In the other hand, I decided no one should read that garbage.
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If ever utter hatred (and contempt) were deserved, this is it.
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My fellow Democrats, I have decided not to accept the nomination and to focus all my energies on my duties as President for the remainder of my term. My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my Vice President. And it’s been the best decision I’ve made. Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats — it’s time to come together and beat Trump. Let’s do this.
–Joe Biden, moments ago
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If Trump agrees to debate Harris, he is even dumber than I thought, and I thought, ‘Cretin, Moron, Blubbering Idiot.”
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Another sad day in what has become a tragic era for America.
Two thoughts:
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Of course he was immediately uncivil. He is a lowlife. A pig.
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John :
what happened? That is an interesting question. I know children of that generation who are now vaccine deniers and small government people. I know people who went (in the words of SNL circa 1982) from gimme shelter to gimmie tax shelter in a decade. I would be circumspect if I claimed knowledge, however. Bob has pointed to surveys taken in 1969 showing that Woodstock sat solidly on the fringes of society. It is worth a good discussion. I would love to have that discussion with you and with folks I know who consider deeply the things that make us who we are. I count it as a blessing that technology has allowed the degree of discourse we enjoy here, abetted, of course, by our host, who is a purveyor of thought and discussion. OK, all you English teachers, that was a run on sentence.
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Roy– I am always skeptical of boomer-broad-brushes such as “went from gimme shelter to gimme tax shelter” [hilarious], or more commonly ‘went from hippies to yuppies.’ Hubby and I are ’49’ers, so in the 1st 5 yrs of a an 18-yr generation. We remained friends with many in this cohort for decades, and I don’t remember a single one changing general culture/ politics. I definitely did notice people 5 -7+yrs younger than us, who perhaps understandably– growing up around constant political agita– took a different tack. The beginning of yuppies. They also were still in impressionable 20’s when the ‘greed is good’ excitement dominated Wall St & media– while my cohort looked on in alarm/ cynicism.
I & my 3 siblings encapsulate the generation, spread across born ’49 to born ’64, but we’re all flaming liberals 😉
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It’s just an interesting question…and I didn’t take it as targeting any particular generation. It’s just, what happened to the U.S?
Trump isn’t just wrong…he’s not just extremely dangerous…. he’s uncool. He’s wack. (to use a word first coined in 1984, how fitting.)
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I would love to see Joe drive his Corvette to the White House from the beach this week! Then say,, “I’ve heard I have immunity for the next several months.”
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rratto – That is a great idea.
Can picture it now…….while he’s eating his beloved ice cream cone.
I tweeted out earlier:
Let’s Celebrate Joe with a
💙National Day of Joe Biden Ice Cream Monday
#JoeBidenIceCreamMonday 🍦🍦🇺🇸
H.A.Hurley
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Pete Buttigeig for VP. Would love to see the best “explainer in chief” since Bill Clinton (probably even better) debate JD Vance. Especially since Mayor Pete served 8 years in the Naval Reserve, including being deployed to a war zone.
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Agree with this.
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I thought the same!
Love Mayor Pete!
Smart as a tack📌
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Pete would make a great choice. He is smarter than 3/4ths of Washington put together.
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Mayor Pete! He has been an absolute disaster. Beyond in over his head. Has done nothing with infrastructure. Took so much time for paternity leave. What in your brain says, Pete is the person fopr the job??? Her was a terrible mayor! The dem party has nobody, back to Clinton and Obama
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You are breathtakingly ignorant. You just pull these comments out of your arse. Here’s the reality (I know, you Trumpanzees have a touch-and-go relationship with reality):
As Secretary of Transportation:
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law: Buttigieg played a key role in the passage and implementation of the $1.2 trillion Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, which includes substantial investments in roads, bridges, railroads, airports, ports, electric vehicles, and road safety1.
Supply Chain Improvements: He worked on measures to alleviate supply chain disruptions caused by the COVID-19 pandemic, including reducing container congestion at major U.S. ports2.
Roadway Safety Strategy: Buttigieg launched a comprehensive national strategy to reduce deaths and serious injuries on U.S. roadways2.
COVID-19 Relief: He oversaw the distribution of emergency relief funds to transit agencies across the country to support their operations during the pandemic2.
Discretionary Funding: Under his leadership, the Department of Transportation awarded over $9.5 billion in discretionary funding to enhance transportation infrastructure through more than 800 projects nationwide2.
As Mayor of South Bend, Indiana:
Personal Milestones:
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NYC public school parentI am sorry but I think we have had enough of the neo liberal shills. Pete can go back to work for McKinsey & co. Gretchen Whitmer not only brings Michigan she can wipe the floor with JD Vance and his phony populism. After 25 years of Republican control of at-least one legislative body; Michigan is the first state to legislatively reverse Right to Work and the Auto workers reversed near 2 decades of decline. Whitmer continues the Biden appeal to the working Class . She stands a better chance of winning the Mid West even the longest shot of Rebel Indiana than Buttigieg. The only hesitation is 2 women on the ticket but I suspect if Hulk Hogan switched parties and ran with Harris it would not get one more vote from the troglodytes. Certainly anyone who is uncomfortable with two or even one women on the ticket is even more uncomfortable with a woman and a gay man. But the hit job done on Biden started long before his poor debate performance. It started 2 years ago when TRANSITORY INFLATION DUE TO COVID started falling unemployment started reaching record lows and some cowardly Democrats hid under their beds or were conveniently out of town when Biden came to town. Allowing Republicans to set the media narrative. If it were a Republican with the same economic data they would have stood with him hands raised touting the best economy ever and calling anyone struggling a loser .
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Joel,
I agree with almost everything you wrote! I don’t think Mayor Pete is as bad as you believe — I think like Biden he is open to facts and while he was more conservative, he was extremely careful NOT to denigrate the progressive ideas.
I agree about Whitmer. I remember the huge excitement when Bill Clinton nominated another youngish white southerner and Gore helped him win. Two women can also win. IF the so-called liberal media doesn’t destroy them first.
Guess who the NYT picked to make the case for Kamala?
Rev. Al Sharpton. Talk about trying to kneecap Kamala. Dozens of more credible people could have written the op ed, but the esteemed editors at the NYT solicited Sharpton to write it.
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Diane, insofar as these MAGA and Heritage (ha!) people are connected at the hip with Putin, there is no end to either what they will say or to what can happen. Duck anyone? CBK
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Yes, CBK
God has a sense of humor, but don’t piss Him/Her off.
When Trump invoked God’s name for sparing him from death so that he could complete his mission, what was God’s response?
Kamal Harris.
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fjstats: I do NOT pretend to know about God’s ways; but one does wonder about specific events–I thought about that, in a wispy sort of way, when Biden came down with covid. The first thing I thought of was that he is a faithful person, and now will have time to rest and to think, demanded by the circumstances.
And I doubt there is a person in the land who is personally distrustful of Harris. On the other hand, I do worry about the person who steps out into that kind of light. CBK
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Republicans say that Kamala is unqualified because she laughs too much. She’s too happy.
I say: bring it on!!
We all need some Kamala sunshine.
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Hi Diane: Yes, too, too bad: Kamala smiles and the room lights up. Pooh-pooh on her. I’ll keep basking in what’s going on, thank you.
As a personal aside, I have people in my family who can find dirt where there is none and never was; and no matter what one does or does not do, they find and focus on what’s “wrong” with it, real or not. I try to stay away from them (my deliberate absence is interpreted as my holding a grudge).
They are a cancer on the soul of the family as, over time, they poison their children with their jealousy, hatefulness, and vindictiveness. (As you know, people write books and poems about adults trying to climb out of their parents’ psychological legacies–ask Oprah.)
Political situations, of course, are different but, perhaps and in part, only in scale. Look what Trump’s rabbit-hole of lies, deceits, betrayals, and conceits have led to. THE WHOLE WORLD is aware of the danger our situation in the U.S. puts everyone in and the “turning point” that is upon us.
Half the nation is stupified by Trump’s low-life ignorance, carelessness of others, self-adulation, vulgarity, and spiritual corruption parading around under the guise of old-world power and answering every claim about his own verified acts by holding up a mirror and repeating the claim back . . . like the dumb parrot he is. Trump is trying to tear down democracy, so in Trump-world, that’s what Biden is doing, almost word for word.
I am so thankful and enjoying of that smiling light. CBK
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low-life ignorance, carelessness of others, self-adulation, vulgarity, and spiritual corruption
As succinct and accurate a description of this scum as I have read
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NYC Public: Also, see Pete on Bill Mayer on Friday–probably somewhere on U-Tube. He “killed it,” and Mayer actually let him talk. CBK
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Politically, Arizona Senator Mark Kelly makes the most sense:
He’s from a very key swing state that he could deliver to the Democrats 2. He’s “squeaky clean” in terms of political baggage, unlike all the other contenders who have various kinds of political baggage 3. He’s a sympathetic figure because of his wife’s ordeal 4. He has an admired background as an astronaut 5. His replacement would be named by Arizona’s Democratic governor, thereby keeping that Senate seat on the Democratic side of the aisle.
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Makes sense.
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I hate that this has happened and the way it has happened. No respect here for the Dems who went at it back A-ward. Certainly hope Kamala is ready and prepped for the vicious racist/sexist campaign against her. The GOPee/MAGA crowd is literally locked & loaded.
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I agree with you! The votes were already cast in the primary, and they attempted to nullify those votes. It sounds kind of like a Jan. 6 minus the violence.
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It’s nothing like January 6.
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FLERP!
Only in the nullification of the votes would I ever make the comparison to Jan. 6. Otherwise, I completely agree it’s nothing like it. I’m not very happy with the Dems at the moment, and I’ve pretty much resigned myself to Trump winning. In that case, fortunately I have no children, and can be happy that my life is at least more than half over.
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J. Nashville,
Don’t resign yourself to Trump’s election. Kamala is going to kick his fat butt.
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Dr. Ravitch,
I hope you’re right. But the Dems better get it together behind Harris quickly.
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YES. Like now.
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Now we can finally argue in good faith that Trump is just too old to be president until 2028.
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Good point!
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Yes!! Trump is too old!!
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President Biden inherited a presidency that was corrupt and headed by a mobster who committed crimes while in office, was impeached twice, and won the 2016 election with the aid of Putin. Within a month in office, President Biden reversed many irresponsible and lame Trump policies.
Now, Joe Biden has opened the door for a revival of the Democratic party because of his courage and selflessness. As I look back on the history of our presidents, no one has acted more on behalf of the American people than President Biden. He will be elevated to a place of historic proportions. We should all be proud of President Biden.
If you look at individual departments in our government, from the State to the EPA, Biden chose people who restored the integrity of all departments.
Vice President Kamala Harris is the perfect choice as the Democratic nominee because she has worked hand in hand with President Biden. She knows policies that with continue to support our liberal democracy. With her nominations, I believe that America will join with Great Britain and France to ward off right-wing authoritarians. Trump will get no where near the Oval.
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Well said, Jack.
You’ve known first hand, up close via writing your
own book – THE TRUMP FILES, the danger facing us in this country.
We continue to honor Joe Biden, immensely grateful to his presidency, his honorable service, AND we remain focused on keeping Trump away from all sharp objects, the White House, the World ……and all living things. Stakes are at their highest.
Thanks, Jack!
Hanna Hurley
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Thank you, Hanna. You’ve been a champion defending our liberal democracy.
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“from all sharp objects”
perfect
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From your mouth to God’s ears, Jack!
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thank you, Bob. This will be a transformative election. Imagine the pressure on the democratic nominee, most likely Kamala Harris. And I, too like the train trip idea.
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yes, let’s all go full blown communist. France has them in their parliament and England isn’t far behind
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You are funny, Harry.
Biden, the moderate, is a Communist? Haha.
Please be sure to drop out of Social Security and Medicare and any other federal benefits.
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I wasn’t referring to Biden. I was calling out another poster who’ supporting the chaos and unrest going on in European countries.
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Couldn’t we have a train ride goodbye for Biden, going all around the country. To show respect, and to generate enthusiasm for the next step.
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I love this idea.
Biden should take the Amtrak from Washington to Chicago! And after the convention, from Chicago to LA, through the southwest, with crowds greeting him!
Such a great send off! And appropriate for the most famous US train rider in the last 50 years.
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I like the idea, but in a specially prepared sleeper car with every amenity. Train travel is hard on an 80-year-old.
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I think this is a brilliant idea. It reminds me of Lincoln’s train trip across the country. It would allow for real folks to pay their respects, and promote a kind of intimacy with lots of press coverage. He could do it behind a bullet-proof glass, and this would be Biden at his best — connecting person to person, bringing people together — able to speak his mind, to energize the entire country, and Harris could join him.
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Since 1900, there is a pattern where no incumbent party has ever won the White House when there is BOTH
(1) an open seat (meaning the sitting president is not the candidate), AND (2) a serious contest for the incumbent party nomination.
Given what we have now, I too believe that a ticket of two women would energize a lot of people. I was also thinking Harris/Whitmer.
Nonetheless, I think the Democrats are often their own worst enemy. But I would vote for a rock before I would vote for Trump, and I will vote for the Democrat.
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well, you sure voted for a rock in 2020.😝
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And that rock handily beat the incumbent tRump in 2020.
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it’s hard to win elections with stuffed ballot boxes favoring one candidate over the other. It’s why the dirty Dems don’t want voter IDs.
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ad infinitum.
Are you proud to support a CONVICTED FELON?
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Harry,
I would say I would vote for Humpty Dumpty before I’d vote for Trump, except for the whole WALL incident.
Btw, Humpty Dumpty was pushed! He did NOT fall!
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Roy Cooper in NC would be another good choice. He’s term limited out and it would keep a Dem governor in Red Ky. There’s significant talent in the Democratic Party. That needs to be made clear at the convention.
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As a North Carolinian, I couldn’t agree more with the suggestion of Roy Cooper as Harris’ VP pick. He’s a solid Dem from a southern state (and a critical swing state), he’s about to be term-limited out of office after being elected twice, and he has an excellent record as both an executive and a legislator before that. Any other pick has baggage attached (rightly or wrongly) that we can’t afford at this stage of the electoral cycle. Cooper has also been a staunch advocate for public education, just for good measure.
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I love Roy Cooper. He has been a great governor having to deal with a horrible Tea Party legislature.
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Obama, who
filled his cabinet with people from Wall Street;
oversaw, via his quantitative easing program, the largest transfer of wealth from the middle class to the top 10 percent in history;
conducted star chambers;
bailed out the banks instead of the home homeowners
carried out the ghastly and illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, unchanged, according to the Bush, Jr., plan;
adopted Mitt Romney’s healthcare plan rather than push for Medicare for All;
refused to back gay and lesbian marriage; and
accepted enormous gratuities while president (a vacation home in Hawaii from the woman whom he would later name Secretary of Commerce),
has refused to endorse Harris.
Color me not surprised. Obama is a closet Republican who played a progressive Democrat on TV.
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Did he refused? Or has he just not yet done so? It’s only been a couple hours.
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Here’s his statement:
Joe Biden has been one of America’s most consequential presidents, as well as a dear friend and partner to me. Today, we’ve also been reminded — again — that he’s a patriot of the highest order.
Sixteen years ago, when I began my search for a vice president, I knew about Joe’s remarkable career in public service. But what I came to admire even more was his character — his deep empathy and hard-earned resilience; his fundamental decency and belief that everyone counts.
Since taking office, President Biden has displayed that character again and again. He helped end the pandemic, created millions of jobs, lowered the cost of prescription drugs, passed the first major piece of gun safety legislation in 30 years, made the biggest investment to address climate change in history, and fought to ensure the rights of working people to organize for fair wages and benefits. Internationally, he restored America’s standing in the world, revitalized NATO, and mobilized the world to stand up against Russian aggression in Ukraine.
More than that, President Biden pointed us away from the four years of chaos, falsehood, and division that had characterized Donald Trump’s administration. Through his policies and his example, Joe has reminded us of who we are at our best — a country committed to old-fashioned values like trust and honesty, kindness and hard work; a country that believes in democracy, rule of law, and accountability; a country that insists that everyone, no matter who they are, has a voice and deserves a chance at a better life.
This outstanding track record gave President Biden every right to run for re-election and finish the job he started. Joe understands better than anyone the stakes in this election — how everything he has fought for throughout his life, and everything that the Democratic Party stands for, will be at risk if we allow Donald Trump back in the White House and give Republicans control of Congress.
I also know Joe has never backed down from a fight. For him to look at the political landscape and decide that he should pass the torch to a new nominee is surely one of the toughest in his life. But I know he wouldn’t make this decision unless he believed it was right for America. It’s a testament to Joe Biden’s love of country — and a historic example of a genuine public servant once again putting the interests of the American people ahead of his own that future generations of leaders will do well to follow.
We will be navigating uncharted waters in the days ahead. But I have extraordinary confidence that the leaders of our party will be able to create a process from which an outstanding nominee emerges. I believe that Joe Biden’s vision of a generous, prosperous, and united America that provides opportunity for everyone will be on full display at the Democratic Convention in August. And I expect that every single one of us are prepared to carry that message of hope and progress forward into November and beyond.
For now, Michelle and I just want to express our love and gratitude to Joe and Jill for leading us so ably and courageously during these perilous times — and for their commitment to the ideals of freedom and equality that this country was founded on.
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“will be able to create a process”
That sounds very much to me as though he is envisioning an open convention, not a rubber stamp of Harris. I think that’s a terrible thing. Harris should be the nominee. Biden chose her.
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Yes, the “mini primary.” I do favor this if time permits. It is getting late though.
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I just found out. Have not listened to Biden”s remarks. That being said, I hate that the party so-called elites drove Biden out in conjunction with an increasingly morally bankrupt “free press.” I doubt that they will be any kinder to Kamala Harris. The hatchet job will start yesterday. Big money has got to be removed from politics. Deep pockets should not be able to determine who runs. Deep pockets and self appointed “elites” should not be allowed to nullify the little guys votes. If I could swear a blue streak without being put in moderation, I would have several choice words for “my betters.” Apparently if you have money, you don’t have to pay attention to rules/ procedures, not to mention the rule of law. I will vote democratic because there is no choice, but I won’t forget. As to a vice presidential choice, remember misogyny is not the exclusive property of the Republicans, nor is anti LGBTQ belief or racism. A white male, preferably one who did not campaign to oust Biden, is the safe bet. As much as I would like to see an all female ticket, the “little ladies” have not been able to win yet in the land of the free and the home of the brave. (Hah!)
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Hi, SPED, I don’t know if you live near NYC, but if you do, try to see the Bway show SUFFS, the story of the suffragettes. The music, the lyrics, and the script were written by Shaina Taub, who is also the star. A wonderful show!
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I might take my daughter to this.
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Absolutely. I brought my 11-year-old grandson and he loved it.
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Mine’s college aged but assuming she will too.
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Of course.
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Nah. Although I started life in NJ, I ended up in Chicago as a teenager. My family moved back east when I was in college, and even though I married a Midwestern boy, it took me years before I considered it home.
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“That being said, I hate that the party so-called elites drove Biden out in conjunction with an increasingly morally bankrupt “free press.” I doubt that they will be any kinder to Kamala Harris. The hatchet job will start yesterday. Big money has got to be removed from politics. Deep pockets should not be able to determine who runs. Deep pockets and self appointed “elites” should not be allowed to nullify the little guys votes. If I could swear a blue streak without being put in moderation, I would have several choice words for “my betters.”
This!
The hatchet job already started yesterday. when the NYT ran a story blithely recounting all the anti-Kamala talking points that the Republicans planned.
Today, this headline in the NYT by “It’s always the Dems fault, but Trump is normal” political stenographer/reporter Michael D. Shear: “Vice President Kamala Harris was often derided as out of her depth. Now, she could lead the Democratic ticket.“
WHO “derided” Kamala Harris as out of her depth? Who “derided” her OFTEN? Michael Shear and his Republican sources/friends did, but there is no qualification. The article uses the passive voice to imply that everyone often derided Kamala as out of her depth, so that means it is factual news that will now be reported in each of 400 articles about Kamala.
Kamala Harris was never “out of her depth” but as long as Michael D. Shear writes stories using the passive voice to report as true that Kamala was OFTEN derided as out of her depth, it will become a story where “doubts are sown” about Kamala’s fitness to lead.
In the same article, Shear writes about Trump:
“Mr. Trump, whom Democrats have branded as an existential threat to democracy….”
hey guys, the NYT tells us that Trump’s threat to democracy is just something that partisan Democrats “branded” him with. Did January 6 even happen? Did his current threats even happen? Do Trump’s actual words and promises matter?
Kamala is derided as out of her depth (NOT by partisans, just derided, and derided often, presumably by everybody! )
Partisan Dems “brand” Trump as a threat to democracy
Expects weeks of this, along with Democrats in disarray.
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I would love to watch a debate between Senator Tammy Duckworth and the Republican nominee.
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The three most recent preferred narratives of the national political media:
(1) (June 26 and before) Only right-wing fascists believe that Biden is too cognitively impaired to serve another four year term.
(2) (after the June 27 debate) Biden is too old, a sure loser. Time for Democrats to choose someone else in an open convention.
(3) (as of today) Kamala Harris is the greatest Democratic candidate since FDR. She is an accomplished orator; is brilliant on policy, e.g. immigration and the southern border; is a WOMAN who is part-black, part-Asian. Any criticism of her is just racism and sexism.
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Don’t you mean the preferred narrative is:
Trump is a masterful orator who will lead us into the promised land.
Never mind he incited an insurrection to stay in office and promised to incite another one if he isn’t declared winner in 2024. Never mind he stole classified documents and refused to return them. Never mind he is a convicted felon.
Never mind that Trump conned people just like the ones at the RNC into giving him thousands of dollars to attend his fake University where they learned nothing. Never mind that Trump conned people to give money to a charity they thought would help veterans but ended up buying a portrait of Trump he could look at every day in his hotel office.
Never mind that Trump believes there is a sucker born every minute for him to con, and that he is planning another massive tax cut for billionaires and cutting Social Security and Medicare and the agencies that keep your food and water safe.
Look what happened to Mike Pence. Trump incited his followers to try to kill him.
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if Trump is giving tax breaks to the rich, why do so many of the rich donate to the demokkkrats? 🤔
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Trump’s 2017 tax cuts were designed to cut the taxes of the very rich and big corporations. That’s a fact, Harry.
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Harry: The rich (especially as corporations) donate to the democrats because they have so much money, they can afford to cover all their bases with the BIG IF about which party actually gains power.
Whatever the percentage is, imagine how much, and what kind of power, is at stake. CBK
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Retired teacher, she’s too old for “the changes.”
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She will be 60 in October.
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Let’s hope this works ..
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Tweet from Ron Klain, Mr. Biden’s former chief of staff: “Now that the donors and electeds have pushed out the only candidate who has ever beaten Trump, it’s time to end the political fantasy games and unite behind the only veteran of a national campaign — our outstanding @vp, @KamalaHarris!! Let’s get real and win in November!”
Even Ron Klain knows who wanted Biden out. He wants to make sure the same people don’t do the same with Kamala.
But the so-called liberal media trashing of Kamala is just beginning.
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Who wanted Biden out?
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Not the people who were polled, since 538 was giving Biden the victory on July 18th and an even chance just today!
Lots of people were fine with Biden remaining, including people I know in the midwest where I grew up who are invisible to the media if they aren’t Trump voters in a diner.
So the polls showing that they wanted Biden gone were quite misleading, and there have been some good statistical analysis of how they were done. Not up to standards at all.
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NYC PSP,
I have been a strong supporter of Biden. But I worried every time he spoke without a script or a teleprompter. The race was going to all about Biden’s mental and physical capacity. That burden has been lifted. Harris will overpower Trump, in knowledge, quickness, spirit, and heart.
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Trump is too old. He’s kooky now but imagine him in 3-4 years.
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It was fascinating to watch a joint interview of Trump and Vantz today (I like the Yiddish spelling; in Yiddish, it means “bedbug”). Vance is a creep, but he was cogent. Trump was just pulling stuff out of his substantial tush, and you could tell that Vantz was microcringing, listening to the blubbering idiot.
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Exactly so, Diane!
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Human Rights Campaign just endorsed Kamala.
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Ok but who wanted him out? You referred to the people who wanted him out rather darkly, like they were a malevolent force. Who are you talking about? Who wanted him out?
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Who wanted him out? People who had interacted with him personally in recent weeks–folks who had witnessed personally his breathtaking decline.
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Diane,
I definitely hope you are right. I agree that the race was going to be all about Biden’s mental and physical capacity, but that’s the media’s fault. No one is talking about Trump’s mental and physical capacity and last night Trump talked about bringing back cement! The man is utterly demented and unfit, but I am certain that the only change will be that instead of talking about Biden’s mental and physical capacity, the media will be talking about Kamala’s being out of her depth. Only took a very short time for the article to appear, so I assume the NYT reporter had it pre-written.
People knew Biden and so they weren’t as concerned about the “Biden is cognitively unfit” as the media implied. The media is so good at mischaracterizing Dems as untrustworthy, and only Biden was immune to that, even though he was old. I can already tell the NYT does NOT want Kamala. They can’t say that, but their piece about Biden making a courageous choice grudgingly said Kamala is a “reasonable” choice, went through all the right wing talking points to smear her, and then suggested that having Kamala would be just as problematic as “annointing” Biden (despite the fact Biden won all primaries) and wasn’t “annointed” by anyone! They don’t want her but know it would be racist and sexist to say that outright, so they will just spend the next few weeks undermining her and say that she can’t win.
Right now, Biden and Trump are tied in 538, and would not surprise me if the next poll shows Kamala way behind and then the drumbeat for how she isn’t good enough after the NYT gets done smearing her.
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flerp!,
I refer you to Ron Klain’s tweet:
“Tweet from Ron Klain, Mr. Biden’s former chief of staff: “Now that the donors and electeds have pushed out the only candidate who has ever beaten Trump…”
AOC said the same thing, and those folks don’t want Kamala.
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“Donors and electeds”? Well, if the donors and enough of the most important electeds don’t want her, we’ll find that out soon.
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As MSNBC tries to spin us into a new nervous breakdown cycle (as in endless chatter in the coming days about how the Dems do not really want Kamala Harris) in order to keep us in a state of depression, I have two happy suggestions
Joe can now be seen as a beloved elder statesman (formerly the same guy who couldn’t pass a test of mental acuity.) So, Harris gets a two-fer, with Joe bringing his accomplishements and getting due recognition as he takes his victory tour around the country and vigorously campaigns for Kamala, allowing her and her veep to cover more ground.
When Trump refuses to debate her (which I predict he will) — have Kamala debate an empty chair, with Trump’s answers to questions provided by clips of the stupid, rambling atrocious things Trump would have said–while she prosecutes the case against his lies. That would be informative because Trump couldn’t interrupt.
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I LOVE HOW YOU THINK! Her debating an empty chair would be awesome! If she did this, slam dunk, she would win. That’s what I mean about the Democrats’ needing to pull out all the stops, take the gloves off–whatever metaphor you want.
BRILLIANT!!!!
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Thanks, Bob.
Trump is too chicken shit to face Harris–like Colonel Bonespurs and the same man who refused to testify in the 34 Felony case. Stormy Daniels had more balls.
Imagine Rob Reiner, Michael Moore and Sacha Baron Cohen creating a tape reel of Trump’s greatest lies and weird free associations, using this material to represent himself on the spectrum of stupid things he has said–a double helix of lies and incoherence.
A narrator would pose a question to the empty chair (occupied by a fat plush toy effigy of DJT).
Mr. Trump: Did you ever condone grabbing a woman by the pussy? (Roll Access Hollywood clip.)
Miss Harris you have one minute to respond. This would give her a free shot at all his disrespect for women and their bodies.
Next–a lightning round; Trump: Which is worse–death by shark bites or electrocution? Harris responds by saying that’s too insane for me to contemplate.
Oh, the places we could go.
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It’s very important, as you have heard from so many incredible leaders, for us in every moment in time, and certainly this one, to seize the moment in time in which we exist in our present, and to be able to contextualize it, to understand where we exist, in the history, and in the moment, not only as it relates to the past but to the future…
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Where might I find that time?
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On the Harris watch. Twice every day…
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Do folks realize that on July 17, Nate Silver’s 538 was predicting a Biden victory?
Just 7 hours ago Nate Silver’s 538 was saying that Biden and Trump had an even chance to win. After a solid month of the most negative press any political candidate ever had, Biden and Trump were tied. Before the convention bounce.
Bernie and AOC were right that Biden could have won. And then handed the reigns to Kamala.
Thanks, big donors for giving the NYT a new target for nasty coverage for the next 3 weeks and then for the next 3 months if she is the nominee – Kamala Harris.
I hope that Kamala wins. But the racist/misogynist attacks are already beginning.
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Silver isn’t with 538 anymore. I think he has his own site.
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538 is now at ABC News, not the NYT, but it’s still Nate Silver
https://x.com/NateSilver538/status/1815171716555108440
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No, it’s not.
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You are right, “He is the founder of FiveThirtyEight, and held the position of editor-in-chief there, along with being a special correspondent for ABC News, until May 2023.”
Oddly, there is now a https://abcnews.go.com/538
And Nate Silver/538 is still his tweet handle. Maybe there is still some connection or he was allowed to also use the 538.
I’d be surprised if he could compete with 538 directly. Is that what you believe?
So I should have said:
Do folks realize that on July 17, 538 was predicting a Biden victory?
Just 7 hours ago 538 was saying that Biden and Trump had an even chance to win. After a solid month of the most negative press any political candidate ever had, Biden and Trump were tied. Before the convention bounce.
Bernie and AOC were right that Biden could have won. And then handed the reigns to Kamala.
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Right. Silver has been critical of 538’s model.
https://www.natesilver.net/p/why-i-dont-buy-538s-new-election
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Silver does have chutzpah, given that he has made an entire career from his 2016 prediction and his polls in July 2016 were way off from his final prediction!
I don’t care about July polls. But of course the NYT was reporting on the election as if Biden didn’t have a chance at all to win, and that swayed many people who would answer that they preferred another candidate who could win.
Despite July polls never being accurate. Oh well, let’s see if we now have the huge mess I warned against while the unfit Trump is ignored.
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I prefer Allan Lichtman’s 13 Keys over Nate Silver. Lichtman’s keys have predictive validity; polls don’t.
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Silver has an amazing record of accurate prediction.
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J. Nashville,
I agree, which is why I was Team Bernie/Team AOC for all the excellent reasons they gave for why Biden should stay in the race and the Dems should stop exaggerating his cognitive brain death. I spoke with people who saw his post-NATO press conference and his interviews and thought Biden was not the vegetable that the media implied.
It is crazy that the Dems got snookered into dumping their best candidate – I just hope that they don’t allow Kamala to be destroyed, but the NYT is already on the warpath to destroying her.
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Still with the denialism!!! Astonishing, truly. Most of the Democratic leaders–people who RECENTLY spent time with/interacted with Biden called for him to step down because THEY SAW WITH THEIR OWN EYES what anyone with eyes to see and hears to hear has known, that Biden is failing physically and cognitively and not up to one of the most difficult and demanding jobs in the world. Do you really think that all these people–Schiff, Jefferies, Pelosi, Schumer, Obama even–were just making this up? Do you really think that Geoge Clooney, who was a HUGE Biden supporter and donor, was lying about the fact that, interacting with Biden at the recent fundraiser, he found him to be not entirely there?
Pay attention to the freaking evidence.
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Evidence means nothing to an ideologue. All those Democratic leaders, for example, who have interacted with him recently and saw with their own eyes his dramatic decline. All that first-person evidence. Ignore it because it doesn’t accord with the alternative facts universe you have created.
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Bob,
Are you attacking me, or attacking Bernie and AOC?
You can spew the same attacks at them. Are they “ideologues”, too? Is speduktr and J. Nashville, and everyone who didn’t agree with the folks who wanted Biden gone because they knew absolutely positive that Biden could not win and was unfit to win an “ideologue”?
We ALL believed that Biden had the best chance of defeating Trump. Bernie and AOC thought Biden had the best chance of beating Trump. Why? Because they knew that the NYT and liberal media will start the whisper campaign against Kamala or whoever is picked. That is already happening. Biden is old and less sharp. But even after a solid month of smears, he was tied with Trump. Bernie thought that Biden was solid enough to recover IF the Dems and media stopped undermining him. So did I. Please stop insulting me for having the same view as Bernie Sanders.
Bob, when the so-called media informs us that “polls say” Kamala can’t win, should Dems drop her like a hot potato, too?
I want to see UNITY behind Kamala. Not a whispering campaign about how Kamala can’t win, and if the Dems don’t have an open convention, they are thwarting democracy.
This isn’t about lying. It is about MINIMIZING Kamala’s negatives and making it clear that these exaggerated criticisms are right wing propaganda attacks. We cannot concede Kamala’s negatives. We should REJECT them as irrelevant to her campaign. We should reject: She’s risky! She’s untested! Kamala is OUT OF HER DEPTH. She’s untested. SHE CAN’T WIN. She can’t win. Polls show she can’t win. and every other anti-Kamala attack.
When I see those negative talking points amplified here, I know Kamala will lose. Just like Bernie and AOC knew that any replacement for Biden would lose because the Dems would be divided and the half that didn’t get their candidate would de-legitimize the nominee.
UNITY is not a bad word. It doesn’t mean that you are lying about a candidate’s human flaws. It is that you are telling the truth about their strengths and dismissing the human flaws as irrelevant in terms of whether this person is fit to be president.
Too many Dems seem to believe if they don’t amplify every human flaw to help the Republicans destroy good nominees, they aren’t being “honest”. I saw it here in 2016. I sure hope we don’t have a repeat by people who believe that saying “I will hold my nose and vote for Kamala, the candidate who is just as bad as the Republicans say she is” is required in the name of honesty. Because it isn’t honest at all. It’s just being a useful idiot for the far right takeover of our democracy.
I don’t expect you to be undermining Kamala, Bob, but the NYT is already on the job, and I expect to see that here as well.
Choosing Al Sharpton to make the case for Kamala Harris is an attempt to knee cap her. Why Al Sharpton when there are so many more credible people to explain why Kamala is a great pick? Ask the NYT editors who immediately solicited Al Sharpton – and no one else – to offer the case supporting Kamala.
It’s like the NYT asking a well-known plagiarist or SAT cheater or embezzler to write their op ed supporting public schools instead of asking Diane Ravitch to do it. Overlooking the credible voices to choose someone with very little credibility to make the case for public education.
Al Sharpton instead of how many other far more credible voices to give the case for why Kamala is a great choice? If that isn’t a kneecapping, then I don’t know what is.
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Obviously the only reasonable inference is that the NYT reached out to Sharpton to write that op-ed because it was part of the newspaper’s diabolical plan to undermine Kamala Harris.
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Yes, and the NY Times’s diabolical plan included paying off a huge number of Democratic Party political leaders to make up stories about having observed, personally, Biden’s extreme physical and cognitive decline AND his precipitous loss of black and young voters and his plummeting polls in the key swing states. Or, . . . reality.
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But AOC! And Bernie! And our whole way of life in lalaland.
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Another funny thing is the horseshoe theory at play. On Twitter you can see nutjobs on the right waxing about how “the party” has executed a “coup” by forcing out Biden. It’s the same thing you see on the left—Biden was forced out by a coup that was executed by Nancy Pelosi and shadowy donor forces. (Of course the left had the same conspiratorial explanation for how HRC got the nomination in 2016. Some who correctly rejected that theory as cuckoo now seek to embrace the theory that the New York Times, donors and Pelosi drove a coup against Biden and are now working to do the same to Harris.
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It’s all so ludicrous. The thing that astonishes me is that we all saw this ourselves, with our own eyes, or should have–Biden struggling to call things to memory; staring off into space, attempting to remember what he was saying; struggling to walk across a stage to a podium–showing all the signs of extreme age and dementia. All this goes to show, I guess, that for a lot of people, believing is seeing, or, to put it another way, whatever they want to be so becomes so in their minds. Ironically, this is just what Trump does. At some point, persisting in distorting reality becomes a sign of psychosis. That is, in fact, what distinguishes neurosis from psychosis–gross distortion of reality. It really blows me away that after the fact, when it has become absolutely clear that most people who interacted with the man personally saw his decline and insisted that he step down, there are people who still persist in this fantasy that he was and is OK.
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FLERP et al: The material point is that NO ONE KNOWS, and everyone is taking their best guess at it–some of which are authentic, and others not so much, and so are ill-motivated. So what?!
I don’t know about you all but, regardless, I am terribly relieved at present and think that Biden has, in some sense, actually touched the gods. I hope he stays with us for a very long time and enjoys his time as our Elder Statesman Supreme (as should happen to presidents in democracies, by the way). He certainly deserves some rest. CBK
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Agreed
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Hi Bob,
As impressive as Nate Silver is, his track record of prediction doesn’t compare to the 40 year record of accurate predictions that Lichtman has with his 13 keys. With the keys, it isn’t about Biden per se, but a pattern (which is only one part of a predictive model, but not causal) where since 1900 no incumbent party has won if there is both (1) an open seat, and (2) a party contest combined. Right now, the incumbent Dems have the open seat, but hopefully they won’t have any serious contest for the nomination as everyone seems to be rallying around Harris.
That’s not to say that I’m sold on the keys, but they have an accurate 40 year track record.
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One might consider what’s happened with Biden since the debate as a form of contest.
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Not sure that one is necessarily better than the other. Those Keys have successfully predicted presidential races. But Silver successfully predicted 49 of 50 states during one presidential election and 50 out of 50 during another. I would say that that’s pretty spectacular.
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Nate Silver should be known for predicting a victory for the Democrat in July 2016. Not for predicting in late October 2016 that Trump had a 33% chance of winning instead of Nate’s July 2016 prediction that Trump’s chances were practically nil.
I don’t understand how anyone would cite Nate when he makes claims about knowing in July what will happen in November, despite being wrong in 2016!
What happens when Nate Silver says that Trump has the lead over Kamala in a couple weeks?
Will folks here stand by her, or cite Nate’s late July analysis to say she can’t win? Will Nate say her chances are as slim as Nate said Trump’s chances were in July 2016 and as slim as he said Biden’s chances were in July 2024?
Bob, why do you have to be so derisive?
There were LOTS of Dems standing behind Biden aside from Bernie and AOC. You are belittling a lot of good politicians, not just Bernie and AOC. No one knows if kicking Biden to the curb is a good or bad thing, but all of us – including all the credible politicians who were standing behind Bernie – want the Dems to win.
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Thank you, CBK.
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NYCpublic: Trump the Trope. CBK
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I agree and also think Biden’s decision is very sad.
I like Kamala Harris and, from what I know about Governor Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan, I think she’d be a great VP.
I have to disagree about Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota though, because over the years, there have been too many times that I’ve thought that she acted like a DINO –way to middle of the road and supportive of neo-liberal economic policies for me, since I lean towards Progressive. Plus, I think we should keep her in the Senate, in order for Democrats to increase the chances of maintaining the slim majority that we have there now.
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Now that President Biden isn’t campaigning and doesn’t have to focus on winning an election, I wonder if President Biden will take advantage of the immunity the US Supreme Court recently gave the president to CRACK THE WHIP on Trump and MAGA, defending the US Constitution against ALL enemies both foreign and domestic, since MAGA (all traitors and a threat) and their ally Putin and North Korea fits both foreign and domestic.
With that immunity President Biden is free to be the Commander in Chief with no reason to worry about criticism for his actions, from traitors far and wide, to ensure that Traitor Trump’s MAGA thugs cannot cheat and/or use threats to intimate citizens from voting against the convicted rapist, fraud, and orange toddler.
I think there’s more than enough evidence to convict the orange toddler and his MAGA Christian Nationalist cult of treason.
‘The United States Constitution’s Treason Clause, Article III, Section 3, Clause 1, defines treason as:
The clause also states that a person can only be convicted of treason if:
The clause was developed by James Wilson at the 1787 Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia and borrows some of its wording from the English Statute of Treason. It also limits Congress’s ability to define treason and places a high burden of proof on the prosecution.
Treason is a federal crime that can result in the death penalty, imprisonment, and fines. The U.S. legal code also states that those convicted of treason are ineligible for employment by the United States for five years after their conviction.
Most state constitutions include similar definitions of treason, and fewer than 30 people have ever been charged with treason under these laws.”
I also think Project 2025 is evidence of treason.
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Lloyd: The other thing in prosecuting Trump is the breaking of the Presidential Oath, which seems not to matter, but should? Even with the SCOTUS wording of the immunity decision, the oath breaking (it seems to me) should play into the idea of “doing official acts.”
Presidents take an oath to defend the U.S. Constitution. How can they call what Trump has done “official acts” if those acts, by definition, break his official Oath of Office? I
In other words, and if I understand it correctly, if the clearance for immunity depends on the president’s acts being official, and those acts directly break the official presidential oath, then those acts could not fall under the conditions for immunity. CBK
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CBK
SCOTUS just read your exception to immunity and went into emergency session to clarify the matter, Here’s the loophole.
Taking the Oath is the last thing a presumptive president does befoe he becomes president. Once he finishes the Oath he immediately gains immunity for any crooked thing he does as President, So the instant he takes his hand off the Bible he can forgive or pardon himself for breaking the Oath he took right before.
This is the modern version of Zenos Paradox.
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fjstats: Oh, no. Not again: I keep forgetting we’re not being reasonable or even logical any more. Great Big Silly Me. CBK
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Lloyd: Immunity, even with conditions = impunity . . . especially as long as the president can pardon himself.
If Trump ever does take office and so takes the oath, I’ll laugh myself into oblivion. CBK
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The good news:
Despite corporate Dem Barack Obama refusing the endorse the ONE candidate who voters have already voted to be the back-up to Biden, Kamala has received a number of good endorsements as per Empty Wheel, including many of the VP candidates mentioned above:
Roy Cooper, Mark Kelly Pete Buttigieg, Josh Shapiro
(and some progressives like AOC).
In 2020, voters heard over and over again that Biden was OLD. They knew that the VP might have to take over and they voted for the Biden/Harris ticket in the general election.
In 2024, voters heard even more than Biden was old, and there was a primary and they voted for the Biden/Harris ticket in the primart. Having Harris step in for Biden wasn’t something they learned about after they voted. They were voting for the Biden/Harris ticket in 2024.
The delegates should ignore the neocons and resoundingly confirm Kamala to continue the great job Biden began.
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Bill and Hillary Clinton both also endorsed her today! xoxoxo!!!
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The most important question, of course, is does George Clooney endorse Kamala. All await breathlessly for his decision, which will be prominently published in the NYT op ed section (unless he endorses Kamala, in which case it will be ignored).
Expect the NYT to run an op ed by Obama this week saying that an open convention MUST happen for the nominee to be considered “legitimate”.
I’d love if all the top candidates said “no thanks”, voters in America voted for the Biden-Harris ticket knowing that Harris would step in if Biden couldn’t fulfill his duties, and they will honor the wishes of VOTERS who voted for the Biden-Harris ticket, not the elite who drummed Biden out.
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The Harris campaign raised more than $47 million online since Biden endorsed her. The endorsements are rolling in. By tomorrow or Tuesday, it will be over.
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I really hope so, but I never underestimate the power of the media to destroy a democrat candidate.
Will Obama still be holding out for an open convention? Because he reflects the view of the big donor elites and they will not go down easily, even if it means they have to sacrifice democracy.
The best thing would be for all the prominent Dems like Whitmer to say “I respect the democratic process, and the primary voters overwhelmingly endorsed the Biden/Harris ticket, knowing that Harris would step in if Biden was unable to serve. I am not a candidate and I endorse Harris.”
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Agree. That would be the patriotic thing to do, NYC PSP.
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Looking back, I’m proud Senator Sanders and Representative Ocasio-Cortez stuck with the president. Corporate powerbrokers brokered the breaking of President Biden’s second term, but he’s still the president. AND he’s still the president. I’d love to see some graceful, progressive collaboration for seven lame duck months while one would think Congress should be willing to give the president’s bully pulpit the respect it deserved when Biden was still a threat to improve taxation and regulation for the next four years. Seven months is a long time.
But now, Go Kamala! It doesn’t really matter who she picks for VP, she’s gong to light a fire with an invigorated sprint campaign, kick revolting ogre Trump out of the swamp with no more chances to return, and continue cleaning up at least some small measure of the mess. Usually, seems to me, presidential candidates pick for running mate primary opponents who polled mediocre and respectfully dropped early out of the race. This time, no one ran against Vice President Harris, so maybe she’ll pick a running mate who ran a stronger primary campaign than she did four years ago and give her campaign a partner with many loyally enthusiastic supporters, since there’s no ill will from the primary campaign trail. In that case, Senator Warren stands out.
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I adore Elizabeth Warren, but as with Klobuchar, I think that choosing a senator for VP is MUCH too great a risk to the Democrats losing their Senate majority.
With so many Senate seats up this term, it’s already not looking good for Democrats, especially with the departure of DINOS and independents like Manchin, who’s very likely to be replaced by a Republican in WV, Sinema in AZ etc. Democrats should do their best to hold onto the Senate!
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Warren today endorsed Kamala Harris for 2024.
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Feeling a momentary gush of optimism I could see Biden ultimately being viewed as one of the most consequential single term presidencies in American history. He saved the country. And now the courage and self-sacrifice of this move, he’s doing his best to try to do it again.
I like Beto O’Rourke or Mayor Pete as VP choices. Anyway, I’m 100% behind whatever ticket they come up with. Trump’s lawless, violent fascism has to be stopped.
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Beto and Pete, a couple of soyboys would definitely check the boxes
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What TF is a “soyboy”? Is that meant as some sort of homophobic taunt? What a disgusted, idiotic things to say.
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cx: disgusting
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From dog to hero. Let’s see how this all plays out. I’ve been praying everyday “Please don’t let Donald Trump be President”. The Lord works in mysterious ways.
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yes,,,,, please don’t have secure borders, lower inflation rates, school choice, parental rights, etc. keep America going bad.
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Trump blocked the bipartisan border bill. Inflation is low. I oppose school choice. I oppose parents censoring books of other people’s children.
A win-win to see Trump get justice after he loses. Convicted felon. Jail time for his effort to overthrow the Constitution. Are you as stupid as Trump?
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Praying serves only to assuage the fears of the person doing the praying. In other words it does nothing external from the person-it’s fantasy.
Oh, and yes, Lord Vader, Lord Huitzilopochtli, Lord Viracocha and various other lords have (not) always worked in mysterious ways.
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It’s clear that Elizabeth Warren wants to be Kamala’s VP. The problem is that Massachusetts has a Republican governor. That governor, Maura Healy, is probably the most progressive Republican in the United States, so it would be interesting to see whom she would appoint to fill out Warren’s term.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/harris-will-energize-democratic-base-says-pollster-lake/vi-BB1qnwfT?ocid=socialshare#details
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This is pretty hysterical. The party of “democracy” gets rid of Sanders in 2016 and steals convention for Clinton. Now the same party has a coup to get rid of Biden and add while they want. So classic
now everyone wants Kamala the worst polling person ever 2% who has been horrific as VP. No accomplishments except neinf a side piece to celebrities to help her status . Classic!!
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Ms. Right: . . . because I can still disagree openly with such drivel without fear of being thrown out of a high rise window (or invited out of my state), I can also say this:
Well, Ms. Right, that’s one way to look at it. However, it’s also so very, uh . . . mistakenly understood. CBK
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Once more in English, please.
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None of that is true nor does it compare to a president who tried to overthrow the government because he’s a sore loser.
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Diane. When Trump won 2016, for 3 years all everyone heard was Trump was not a legitimate president . The Russia HOAX brought to you by Clinton took over . All lies. He is not a sore loser he lost 2020 because of the plandemic and the drop boxes, mail in voting and all the terrible fraud going on. What your party just did in 2016 and now 2024 is atrocious and typical party of hypocrites and projectionists .
most transparent and cleanest election in 2020 lol. When Trump wins 2024 let me guess it was rigged, it was fake , it was as cheated. Same old nonsense .
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Ms. Right . . . It must be awfully hard to realize you’ve been scammed . . . poor thing. CBK
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Ms. Right Wing:
Keep going to Fantasy Land, while we go to Epcot Center.
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You think the Pugs hated Barack Obama? Joe Biden? They are going to freaking spontaneously combust when Kamala Harris is sworn in as president next January. That will be so hilarious.
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I am already seeing people posting racist, sexist anti-Harris stuff on my blog. It’s eating them up. ROFL.
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if Kamala loses, the leftists will hold an insurrection of their own. It’ll put the blm riots to shame.
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Has anyone told you that you are a racist?
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get ready to stuff those ballot boxes. You’ll need to. Harris’s approval ratings are lower than slow joe’s.
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The country is galvanized in support of her. Watch those approval rating soar over the coming weeks, unlike Jabba the Trump’s.
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I hope to be proved wrong but I’m a lot less rosy about Harris’s chances. I think she’s an upgrade from Biden for obvious reasons. But I’m skeptical that a candidate as well known as Harris with such huge disapproval numbers (only a handful of percentage points lower than Trump’s) can turn this around by simply talking about how Trump is terrible. She needs to be able to articulate a positive vision of what will happen under a President Harris. And she needs to revert to a pre-2020 persona of tough on crime prosecutor, as opposed to the 2020 version that talked about systemic racism and flamed out early in the primary season.
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Diane: Trump and MAGA apparently think that history no longer bends towards justice and truth, but rather bends towards Trump; and, therefore, has lost its albeit shaggy connection to whatever that old Oath means, even if it only means “I promise to and not to x.”
Anyone can grasp justice and truth, even Trump–but truth and justice are not Trump, nor anyone’s to “have” or be forever; even if one has grasped it once, not Trump nor Biden nor anyone.
It seems a simple truth, but also seems to be at the core of what looks like the precursor to a major collapse of long-sought republican/democratic order in the world.
I think Biden could have won the election based on the same insights that I heard from Bernie and OAC and others, and on my faith in (guess what) the American voter who is just now turning their attention to the process.
However, I have great, and I think fact-warranted, hope in Harris et al. Biden is not out of the picture by any means. Also, Trump is old and strong in a neanderthal sort of way and so in fact, extremely weak in so many ways.
Whereas Harris is both young and strong. And the Trump-to-Biden hate machine died yesterday leaving just another tired and old man speaking to fewer and fewer MAGA maggots. (Trump has already tried to paint Harris with the “crazy woman” slime from circa the 1920’s.)
I think with our bench and now-unleashed spirit, however, we all have cause to be happy but also to know we need to keep fighting. CBK
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AFTERTHOUGHT: I think Trump said yesterday that Harris “smiles too much” (paraphrased, and so she’s just another crazy woman–like the rest of us females, I suppose. Boo Hoo. Trump doesn’t like me.) CBK
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Yes we have finally unleashed our battery.
Trump and his ass kissers’ battery is dead.
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Thank you also for this thoughtful analysis.
I don’t think I have posted comments that were much different than this (except I do including the trashing in the media that Biden got). I hope no one replies to belittle your thinking and insult you. After all, you did say “I think Biden could have won the election based on the same insights that I heard from Bernie and OAC and others, and on my faith in (guess what) the American voter who is just now turning their attention to the process.”, which some people believe makes you someone who denies reality. “At some point, persisting in distorting reality becomes a sign of psychosis. That is, in fact, what distinguishes neurosis from psychosis–gross distortion of reality. It really blows me away that after the fact, when it has become absolutely clear that most people who interacted with the man personally saw his decline and insisted that he step down, there are people who still persist in this fantasy that he was and is OK.”
(Of course Bernie and AOC and you and I never said Biden was at peak cognitive ability, but we did say he could have won. No one knows if another candidate has a better chance, but the derisive replies if you cite Bernie and AOC are uncivil, and I wish they would stop.)
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Duane ; too bad Trump wasn’t a dem, he would have never become that “convicted felon”.
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Diane: I think we are experiencing a miracle. CBK
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Yes, CBK
Don’t piss God off. He/She has a vengeful sense of humor.
When Trump invoked God’s name for sparing him from death so that he could complete his mission, what was His/Her response?
Kamala Harris.
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TAGO!
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Bernie and AOC.
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Twice to moderation. CBK
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