Robert Hubbell was not discouraged by the debate, as so many other Biden supporters were. He explains why:
By media consensus, Joe Biden lost the debate on Thursday evening. I disagree. Joe Biden did what he had to do in the debate. He was okay; not good; not bad; okay. But that was enough. Joe Biden will win the 2024 election if we do not surrender to defeatism.
I won’t make any excuses for Joe Biden’s sometimes tentative performance and hoarse voice during the debate. He did the best he could with an opponent who is unconstrained by the truth and moderators perfectly willing to allow Trump to lie. Unfortunately, Biden started weak and finished strong, while Trump started strong and finished weak. But many people had stopped watching after the first break.
What concerns me more than Joe Biden’s performance is the fragile and defeatist comments from many Democrats being quoted by media sources. I acknowledge that there may be biased reporting in choosing which Democrats to quote, but I saw the same thing in some of the remarks in the newsletter chat (before I closed it for technical reasons). Comments like, “I feel sick,” “Joe looks so old,” and “Why won’t he look into the camera?”
Worse, a few readers suggested Biden should drop out by repeating media lies that “Democratic operatives” are saying that the Democratic party will replace Biden. Those “democratic operatives” are paid consultants who say things off the record to give their buddies in the media baseless quotes to fill their headlines. It is a symbiotic, parasitic relationship.
The hypocrisy and double standard is sickening. One candidate on the stage lied from start to finish. And no one is suggesting that he drop out.
Here’s my takeaway: Joe Biden learned a lot tonight. Every statement Biden makes from this point forward should include “convicted felon,” adjudicated sexual abuser, “hush money to porn star,” stolen classified documents, and Trump believing veterans are suckers and losers. Those statements are all true and they are what is necessary for Joe Biden to break through the constant stream of lies that spew from Trump’s mouth.
It is also clear that the debate format is broken. It is silly. It is unfair. But that is a topic for another night, not an excuse for tonight.
Here is what we need to do: Redouble our efforts. Go to Joe Biden’s official campaign site (Joe Biden for President: Official Campaign Website) and make a donation now—the amount doesn’t matter. Millions of donations will be a vote of confidence for Biden. And that is what we need—confidence, not defeatism.
How we comport ourselves, communicate the urgency of the cause, and articulate the issues will be the difference in the election. If we say Biden should drop out—even if we sincerely believe so—we are signaling to others that they should give up. Biden isn’t giving up, and neither should we. I mean this in the nicest way possible, but if you believe Biden should drop out, the best thing you can do for your country is to keep your opinion to yourself to avoid dispiriting others.
It is understandable and reasonable to be anxious. But, as I told one reader who said he was scared by tonight’s debate, “Buck up! We are better than that!” (No criticism of the reader implied; his is a great Biden supporter.)
Our job is made all the more difficult because the few remaining Democratic allies in the media panicked on Thursday evening. They took phone calls from their friends (allegedly) inside the campaign and suggested that even campaign members have lost confidence in Joe Biden. That is false. Three MSNBC reporters are mainlining their political connections and confusing the chatter from those inside the beltway pundits for the views of the American people.
During the debate, one candidate lied continuously. That fact got ZERO coverage on MSNBC during the first thirty minutes of analysis—except for Lawrence O’Donnell, who made that point repeatedly. Remember when lying mattered? We have descended into pure optics in the media. We are better than that.
And suggesting that we abandon Joe Biden because he did not “win” one debate in the eyes of the media is unforgivable. When Trump was convicted of 34 felonies, his supporters rallied around him. When he was adjudicated to be a sexual abuser, his supporters rallied around him. When he was fined hundreds of millions of dollars for running fraudulent businesses in New York, his supporters rallied around him. So, when Joe Biden has an off night in a debate against a geyser of lies, we are going to abandon him? Seriously???? We are better than that, we are tougher than that, and we should be more loyal than that.
In many ways, this is the start of the fight, not the end. Trump lied every moment he opened his mouth. We can deal with that when we are not constrained by two-minute alternative sound bites. Joe Biden needs to do better, true. But his surrogates in the administration must also be unleashed to carry part of the burden. MAGA extremists are everywhere, like invasive weeds. Democratic surrogates must match their reach but spread truth and hope instead of lies and hate….
Here is my concluding thought: Joe Biden is the most successful president in the last 75 years. If he isn’t the smartest, he is the wisest and most experienced, except for FDR. He polls better than any of the fantasy-football “players to be named later” who would allegedly replace him. On the merits, it is not a close contest. As Americans get closer to election day, they will pay attention to the ways that their lives will be worse under Trump and better under Biden. That truth will decide the election.
And it is time for Joe Biden to take off the gloves and start speaking the unvarnished truth about Trump at every opportunity.
We are made of stronger stuff than the panicked reactions exhibited by some this evening. For Joe Biden to win, we need to be resolute, hopeful, and tireless—just like the heroes on whose shoulders we stand. We would not be at this moment but for their abiding courage and faith despite setbacks and losses. We don’t need to win every battle, just most of them—including the battle on November 5, 2024.
I mean this with the utmost sincerity: We have every reason to be hopeful but no reason to be complacent. It is always so—and is true tonight, just like all other nights.
Talk to you tomorrow. In the meantime, go give Joe Biden some money. Joe Biden for President: Official Campaign Website

The cognitive dissonance was too much for you, wasn’t it? That momentary glimpse of the fact that the sitting president of the U.S. is a vegetable is unable to function was too much to bear, so you had to go find a way to spin it to reassure yourself rather than, say, do something about it.
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I’m going to reach 79 in August. Most of us at that age are not senile or vegetables. I’m not.
President Biden is not a vegetable. He had a cold or an allergic reaction to something before the debate (or maybe both), and he stutters.
Even if Biden was a vegetable he’s still s 1,000 times better than Traitor Trump will ever be.
If Biden runs, I will vote for him. If he steps down, I’ll vote whoever takes his place.
I will never vote for Traitor Trump. I’d vote for a dead cockroach or a rock, if that was the other choice.
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There is nothing wrong with criticizing Biden’s poor debate performance, and pointing out that Biden is very old and slowing down, but I question the honesty and integrity of someone who says it is a fact that “the sitting president of the U.S. is a vegetable and unable to function”.
That is as much of a lie as this person’s lie that Putin bombed the crap out of Ukraine to fight Ukraine Nazis.
It isn’t surprising that someone who defends Putin and Trump so often would have no problem posting blatant lies here in Diane’s living room.
The person who was completely out of touch with reality was Trump. Biden had a bad, tentative, tired debate night, but he was the only candidate there who was in touch with reality.
But I guess if this person saw Biden as a “sitting vegetable” unable to function because he had a lousy debate, then I guess it’s fair to say that the person is a “congenital liar” because they posted multiple lies in the past. Or maybe they just suffer from dementia.
If having a so-called vegetable in charge results in the positive changes we saw in the last 4 years, I guess vegetables are very good at being president.
We are still suffering from the 4 years of having Trump in charge, although those who are content with the Supreme Court helping Trump dismantle democracy will decide that they’d rather have more of that than vote for the so-called “vegetable” who got too much progressive legislation passed despite the obstruction of the Republicans.
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Biden MAY win, but that’s hardly a sure thing. I feel I must take issue with this statement: “He did the best he could with an opponent who is unconstrained by the truth and moderators perfectly willing to allow Trump to lie.” No, he didn’t. He wasn’t in command of the facts, nor of the rules of syntax. Voters will forgive the weak voice and the halting (remnants of stutter) speech. But they have to be offset by an obvious ability to lead, and that was not to be seen.
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All that matters is perception. Trump confirmed that he is an immoral shameless liar. His repeated authoritarian-appealing message continues to be, “I’m strong and Biden is weak.” Nothing new, except that Biden appeared weak. It doesn’t matter that he may have not been feeling well. He appeared feeble and unable to complete thoughts. He failed to convince who he needs to convince: Young people, African-Americans, people opposed to U.S. military and diplomatic support for Israel’s war on Palestinians. The Trump is worse and a threat to democracy justification is a woefully inadequate justification for Biden’s continued candidacy. A Democratic victory is our only hope to avert a catastrophic Trump/GOP victory. It cannot now happen with Biden or some third party candidate. It is way past time for Democrats to rally around a credible alternative as quickly as possible and without eating each other alive along the way.
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”Remember when lying mattered? We have descended into pure optics in the media. We are better than that.”
This is the truth. Democrats are so worried about the absence of perfection that they balk at the slightest strike. Biden has been playing small ball throughout his tenure in Washington, and—although this country falls for glitz and big hits—he understands what it means to be steadfast and thoughtful. Unfortunately, politics has become a horse race. The media definitely has a hand in this.
Now, we organize and fight.
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“Joe Biden did what he had to do in the debate. He was okay.”
Complete delusion.
What Biden had to do was reassure voters concerned about his age, articulate the accomplishments and goals of his administration, and maybe get bonus points for being able to fact check Trump in some of his most outrageous lies. He did none of that. Worse, he turned in a debate performance that will live forever in infamy with Admiral Stockdale and Rick “oops” Perry. This wasn’t “okay.”
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I agree with Hubbell.
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While I agree with almost everything you state, the fact is, President Biden has declined significantly in the last few months. It wasn’t just one “off” night and a sore throat. Yes, we owe him our appreciation, and acknowledgement of his wisdom and experience, but we do not owe him the future of our democracy. Ruth Bader Ginsburg should have stepped down and did not. Our country paid a big price for her decision. This is existential, there is too much at state to allow Biden’s ego to take precedence over the survival of our democracy.
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Switching horses in midstream has a bad rep
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Biden was not OK last night. We need a President who is sharp and can respond with laser like precision. That is what most voters want, not a liar like Trump nor a Biden with waning and partly functional. Bernie Sanders shows energy and intellect. Younger folks such as Gavin Newsome, Sheldon Whitehouse, or Claire McCaskill have those skills. The fact that after all these months/years of getting accused of abandoning Afghanistan in a hurried matter was due to the international agreement negotiated by Trump just before he left office, Biden has not pointed this out is shameful. Shame on the Democratic Party for not allowing an open primary. We have too much at stake in a country that responds to sound bites. There is no redo of this election. This noble effort in democracy will be over when Trump wins.
Wake up! This is 1928 all over again. The fact that Biden cannot see this and step down is proof of his incompetence. We see what happened when Judge Ginsburg failed to step down in a timely fashion.
Please wake up!
PS. For those who say that the Courts will act as a brake to Trump’s action and evisceration of the Constitution, again, wake up!
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