When a commenter belittled Russian interference in the 2016 election, Democracy returned to provide the evidence of Russia’s active and considerable interference in the election of 2016. The election of Trump was a major coup for Putin.
Democracy wrote:
“Whatever meager influence Russian may have had …”
I suppose this is an improvement over “The fact remains that there is no evidence for Russian involvement in the U.S. election at all.”
This, written at a time when there was — IN FACT – LOTS of evidence of Russian involvement in the 2016 election, from virtually every intelligence agency in the United States government:
US Intelligence news release on October 7, 2016:
“The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.”
Reuters: “The Federal Bureau of Investigation, Central Intelligence Agency and Office of Director of National Intelligence agree that Russia was behind hacks into Democratic Party organizations and operatives ahead of the Nov. 8 presidential election. There is also agreement, according to U.S. officials, that Russia sought to intervene in the election to help Trump, a Republican, defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-idUSKBN14H1SR
There are some people who apply the Trumpian tactic on Michael Cohen to this information, suggesting that because, at certain times in the past, some of these agencies have had credibility issues.
Except, here, private cybersecurity experts have confirmed the information. As The Daily Beast reported in 2017,
“it was a respected computer security company called Crowdstrike that examined the servers, and publicly revealed Russian’s involvement in the DNC hacks last year. It backed up the claim with specific technical information far more useful than anything in the DHS report. Crowdstrike competitors, including Symantec and FireEye, have examined the forensic data from the DNC hack themeselves, and endorsed Crowdstrike’s conclusion that two particular hacking groups were the culprits: ‘Fancy Bear’ and ‘The Dukes.’
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/06/how-the-u-s-enabled-russian-hack-truthers.html
Here’s how Thomas Rid, formerly at the Department of War Studies at Kings College London, and now the Director of the Institute for Cybersecurity Studies at Johns Hopkins, and who studies and writes about technology and cyber warfare, puts it:
“the evidence is so rich that there are only two reasons not to accept it — one, because you don’t understand the technical details, or because you don’t want to understand it for political reasons… It’s really not controversial that we’re looking at a major Russian campaign.”
Former George W. Bush speechwriter David Frum summarized the whole sordid affair well:
“the outline of the case is no mystery…Democratic and Republican Party servers were hacked by foreign agents, yet the Moscow-friendly folks at Wikileaks somehow only obtained the contents of Democratic servers…Meanwhile, Donald Trump ran a campaign that seemed almost designed to please Russian President Vladimir Putin…The campaign then rewrote the Republican platform in ways sure to please Putin. Trump selected as his principal foreign-policy adviser a retired general previously paid by Russia’s English-language propaganda network, RT…Trump himself publicly urged the Russians to do more hacking of his opponent’s email…Trump endorsed Putin’s war aims in Syria…He suggested he would not honor NATO commitments against Russia…He condoned the invasion and annexation of Crimea…Do Americans really need secret information from the CIA to discern the pattern here?”
Yet there DO appear to be SOME people who still try to play off the Russian ratf*cking as some kind of climate-change-like “hoax.”
Some of them even think that they’re “smart.”
But, hey, I got some news.

Yup, Putin interfered to help that dumpster.
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Donald Trump is not only a fascist, he’s a blatant traitor to this country.
As is the Republican Party.
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You don’t have news; you have propaganda. All of this was debunked in Dan Bobgino’s book Spygate. If you think citing intelligence agencies as sources is going to impress the American people you are mistaken. After 51 “former intelligence mukety mucks” signed a letter saying Hunter Biden’s laptop has all the earmarks of a “Russian” plant, only later to find out that the FBI knew it was real the whole time, we say Bunk!
The only question I have is, will the democrats allow Donald Trump to be president if he is selected by the American people, as it seems he will be?
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Jackie,
Many people—not just Democrats—have a problem voting for a convicted felon, a guy convicted also of sexual assault and defamation, a man who opposes vaccines, a man who wants to abandon NATO and Ukraine, a man who openly admires dictators like Putin and Kim, a man whose son-in-law received over $2 billion from the Saudis only months after leaving office, a man who constantly lies (“I never said ‘lock her up’”, and worst of all, a man who tried to overthrow our government and our Constitution.
What part of Mr. “Grab them by the p—-y” do you admire?
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Maybe it is my construction background, but grabbing them by the p***y doesn’t phase me. I think the left should worry about the pervert currently in the White Hous and his odd penchant for sniffing children and digitally raping Tara Reid, and showering with his daughter, WOW! Anyway, Trump wanted NATO to pay their bills, as they should! He wants to bring the war in Ukraine to a close as I’m sure the Ukrainians do as well. Why is it that your side wanted Israel to end their war against a terrorist group, Hamas, but they want the war in Ukraine to go on, and on, and on, and on, and on? Why? Someone on here hilariously suggested that the Russians showed Trump how to win with the electoral college 😀 The fact that democrats don’t try to win the electoral college but would rather bitch about it, is truly something. I marvel at the stupidity. In truth, the Russians LOVED Hillary and her ridiculous reset button. They paid BJ intern abusing, Bill Clinton, 500,000 for a speech. Question: will democrats allow the People to choose the next president if their choice is President Trump? We know there will be an epic tantrum, but will there be an insurrection like the summer of 2020? Will they do billions in damage, will dozens be killed in the violence? Will Trump and family be forced to go to the White House bunker as they did in 2020? I’ve yet to have a democrat answer these questions.
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You prefer a convicted felon who wouldn’t know the Constitution if it fell on his head. A man anyone from New York City will tell you is a phony and a scammer who doesn’t give two sh*ts about the country. A man who would step over your bleeding body if there was a buck in it for him.
A man beneath contempt. And your kind of guy.
Pathetic.
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These Trumpanzees are truly astonishing. Anything that doesn’t accord with their deification of this utter lout and imbecile is “fake news.” And so there is no convincing them.
Trump claimed that he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue and that it wouldn’t affect his support. Even HE was astonished by the idiocy of the Trumpanzees.
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If Putin released the Moscow hotel room pee tape tomorrow, all the Trumpanzees would say it was faked. Of course they would. These people are completely incorrigible.
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It’s truly fascinating to read what these Trumpers write. It’s so clueless, so indoctrinated, so based in lie after lie after lie from the Reichwing media. It truly is astonishing that people can be that gullible and incapable of reasoning.
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They have no love for the Constitution and the principles of the Founding. In fact, they hate it. In truth, they hate America.
They’d love Hungary. Or Iran.
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It’s bizarre, isn’t it, for these people, who hate everything this country is about, claim to be patriots. For example, ours is an immigrant nation. For example, our country cherishes freedom of assembly and universal suffrage. For example, we were founded on separation of church and state and freedom of and from religion. And so on.
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Truly, the contradictions run deep in those creatures.
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It would be hilarious if it weren’t so tragic that the Trumpanzees tend to be all Jesus-y, BUT their Glorious Leader is very close to the least religious person in the country, cannot name a single Bible verse, and exemplifies in the most extreme manner EACH ONE of the seven deadly sins: pride, greed, wrath, envy, lust, gluttony, and sloth.
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Jacqui,
Please either take your medications OR seek some help.
Regurgitating Trump’s lies and Russian propaganda doesn’t change the fact that they are still lies and Russian propaganda.
Why is it – exactly – that you hate facts so much?
And where do you get your “news,” other than from crackpot Dan Bongino?
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Right, because Dan Bogino is a neutral, disinterested party bound by the rules of the judicious use of evidence like, you know, real historians and journalists.
If you’re not going to be serious and forthright in your comments, why bother? Your comment is unadulterated sewage.
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If it walks like a Trump and talks like a Trump then it’s really just Putin…
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Hillary said it best in the last debate of 2016: “Trump is Putin’s puppet.”
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Exactly, Paul!
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Russians, Russians???! Who needs Russians when we have the cursed Electoral College. Hillary Clinton won by about 2.8 million popular votes, nope, not good enough, the E.C. trumps it all.
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As with the rest of our Constitution, I’ve long doubted tRump’s familiarity with the Electoral College and have suspected that another way Russia helped him win in 2016 was by their figuring out our Electoral College system and urging him to focus on the battleground states –as he did.
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There’s nothing novel or obscure about the Electoral College. And they figured that out many, many years ago.
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He may have gotten guidance from the GOP but we’re talking tRump here, who famously hates to read and thinks he’s smart since he’s related to someone from MIT and because he passed a cognitive assessment for people with dementia. I highly doubt HE figured that out on his own.
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But Israel’s interference is much, much, bigger than Russia’s and much more visible. AIPAC is currently working very hard to take down ex teacher and pro public school congressman Jamaal Bowman and any other progressives who oppose the slaughter in Gaza. Isn’t it a shame that we may lose one of public educations staunchest advocates simply because he is critical of Israel’s policies in Gaza!? Netanyahu has been invited to speak before congress by both parties. If a nation is a US ally it can get away with murder.
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It’s a disgrace that Netanyahu has been invited to speak to a joint session of Congress. He is keeping the war going because when it’s over, he will lose power and go on trial for various criminal charges. Like Trump, he’s trying to stay out of jail.
Russia’s interference is far more dangerous than Israel’s. Russia wants to destroy our democracy; Israel is trying to preserve its alliance with the U.S. and its existence.
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The ICC should issue a warrant for the arrest of Netanyahu, and when he arrives here, he should be arrested and turned over to the International Court.
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Bowman should have spent a lot less time palling around with the DSA wing and talking about how stories about Hamas raping women on 10/7 were “lies” and “propaganda.” At a minimum, know thy district!
That’s not my district but I would shed no tears to see a moderate Democrat take a seat away from a clown who associates with the DSA/Decolonize left and lies about pulling fire alarms on Capital hill.
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To anyone paying attention, it’s no secret that Russia did play a major role in getting tRump elected in 2016 because virtrually all of us saw & heard tRump ASK Russia for help, “Russia if you’re listening..” And we also saw how quickly they responded:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-asked-russia-to-find-clintons-emails-on-or-around-the-same-day-russians-targeted-her-accounts
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More on this matter posted yesterday:
https://www.alternet.org/alternet-exclusives/trump-hides-scandal/
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As bad as he has been, he’s even worse now:
“a member of former President Donald Trump’s own team caught him in a lie after his rambling post-verdict speech following his hush-money trial… So he gives the speech, and by the time [his team members] are out waiting for the caravan, he says to somebody, ‘You know I’m hearing from everybody that’s the best speech I’ve ever given.’ Now, one of the people there then said to me, ‘That’s interesting, because we were with him and he hadn’t heard from anybody,’”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/fire-and-fury-podcast-hosts-michael-wolff-and-james-truman-say-prison-may-help-trump?ref=home?ref=home
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Whenever Trump says “ some people tell me,” or begins a story with someone who says “Sir,” he’s lying.
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Great point! He’s got consistent tells, so you know that what’s coming next is a lie.
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People call me up, they say, “Sir, [insert lie here].”
The other way to tell whether Trump is lying is to see if he is talking. Trump cannot speak on any subject for more than about 30 seconds without starting to lie about it. He is one sick, sick subhuman.
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Do people really say there is no evidence of Russian interference with the election? I thought the argument was that there was no evidence that its attempts to interfere were successful.
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Trump continues to say that Russia did not interfere in the 2016 election. His cult believes him.clearly their efforts, combined with James Comey’s last-minute accusation about Hillary’s emails, sealed Trumps election.
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Sorry, yeah, of course Trump says it. I meant whether anyone respectable says it.
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No one respectable says it.
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The Republican-led Senate intelligence committee under McConnell’s leadership concluded that Russia played a major role in getting Trump elected.
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And they got what they paid for. See the To Do list for Putin that Trump completed while in office, in my Backgrounder link, below. Trump, who was a notorious slacker while in office nonetheless managed to check off quite the list of deliverables to Putin.
That Trump has long been working for Putin is, well, obvious. Breathtakingly obvious. He should have been arrested and have been charged with being, while in office, a foreign agent long ago. In a sane world, he would have been.
I listen to Republicans these days defending this traitor and seditionist and I feel like I’ve awakened in a play collaboratively by Ionesco, Barthelme, and the writers of South Park.
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Sometimes I get a bit out of touch with this stuff because I live in a mega-blue city and don’t watch cable tv. My red state friends are always saying that about me, anyway.
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And yes, very disappointing if Brown was claiming that the rapes didn’t happen. I didn’t know that. Crazy AF.
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Thanks, Democracy, for being a voice of sanity and clarity on this issue.
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Putin and Trump: A Backgrounder | Bob Shepherd | Praxis (wordpress.com)
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tRump was and still is for sale, as demonstrated not long ago by his $1 billion dollar price tag for a quid pro quo donation to his campaign from Big Oil that he said will result in the elimination of regulations which promote green policies currently protecting federal land and the earth:
https://www.budget.senate.gov/chairman/newsroom/press/budget-finance-committees-launch-joint-investigation-into-donald-trumps-quid-pro-quo-offer-to-big-oil-#:~:text=As%20has%20been%20widely%20reported,oil%20and%20gas%20industry%20enjoys.
Putin probably bought tRump long ago, since Jr said before that they got most of their money from Russia, and Putin is purportedly the richest man in the world:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/how-russian-president-vladimir-putin-secretly-became-the-worlds-richest-person/news-story/302a422aca6502c7346cc26435ab2e75
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Republicans, all of us, are pro-oil independence. Not everything is Putin, Putin, Putin, Russia, Russia, Russia. 🤣
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Then you must love Joe Biden. For the oil industry is booming under him as never before. Read this article and study the accompanying graphs and familiarize yourself with the facts (or remain in the Trumpy alternative facts universe you inhabit):
Biden’s oil boom
How US oil production hit a record under Biden despite climate policies (reuters.com)
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And here, read this and learn a little something about your pal Donnie and his relationship with his handler, Putin.
https://bobshepherdonline.wordpress.com/2024/05/13/putin-and-trump-a-backgrounder/
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Apparently there’s also “Oil oil oil”. Completing the Loser Triumvirate.
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The USA is already the biggest oil producing nation in the world.
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And Biden didn’t have to put federal land at risk, repeal environmental regulations that protect our planet or sell his soul in order to accomplish that.
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Let’s put it CLEARLY.
If, at this point, you STILL identify as a Republican in a Republican Party that is full-blown MAGA, then you ARE in favor of Trump AND this:
https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/news/nation/2021/01/07/front-pages-capture-chaos-riots-us-capitol/6577931002/
There is simply no way around it.
By the way, over the weekend, Trump said the January 6 insurrectionists were “victims” and they were “set up” and “All they were doing is protesting a rigged election.”
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If tRump didn’t want and expect Russia to intervene in the 2016 election on his behalf, in order to help him beat Hillary, then how do you reconcile the fact that he ASKED for their help PUBLICLY? See below for videos of press conference when he asked and articles about that: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-asked-russia-to-find-clintons-emails-on-or-around-the-same-day-russians-targeted-her-accounts
and this:
https://www.vox.com/2020/9/29/21493319/trump-russia-if-youre-listening-comments-rewrite-history
And if he had no prior connections with Russia or Putin as he claimed there, then why did he think they WOULD try to help him –as they did shortly following his request. And why would he think Putin even cared about what the US press said about him when he has long been our adversary?
tRump did know Putin and he said so prior to 2016. Here’s a timeline of that:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/02/07/does-trump-know-putin-a-chronology/
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And tRump did it again recently, when “The convicted felon, presumptive GOP nominee and wannabe dictator instructed the dictator of Russia to continue holding Wall St. Journal reporter Evan Gershkovich hostage until the election,” as described just the other day in, “Trump hides the worst scandal in American history in plain sight”
https://www.alternet.org/alternet-exclusives/trump-hides-scandal/
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You have been conned and, along with others, are hitched to a “sick, sick subhuman,” (as Bob so accurately described) who does not care about you, just your vote –as he said to his supporters in the sweltering Nevada sun at a rally yesterday. His primary aims are for power and money, which now means becoming a fascist dictator (much like Putin) and finding revenge for everyone who he thinks is an enemy because they’ve seen through his lies, grifts and other shtick so they can’t support him.
I know a lot of good people who’ve also been hoodwinked by him, so I don’t think that makes you an awful person. Like them, I see you as someone who is one of his marks who really needs to wake up, so we don’t lose our Constitution and human rights, because “Dictator or Democracy, that’s the choice” now.
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There’s a huge amount of evidence of tRump’s ties to Russia and Putin, including Russian financing going back to the 90s, when American banks would no longer loan him money due to his six bankruptcies.
See: “Donald Trump’s Many, Many, Many, Many Ties to Russia” https://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/
tRump Jr said in 2008, “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.“
And in 2014, “Eric Trump Reportedly Bragged About Access to $100 Million in Russian Money”
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/05/eric-trump-russia-investment-golf-course
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If anyone in the House or Senate attempted to launch an investigation, since Traitor Trump has been a former president and now convicted rapist and fraud, into Putin/Russia (they are one and the same since Putin is the new Stalin), helping the traitor win the 2016 election and the 2020, and the 2024, they would fail, end up getting death threats and
If it was in the HOUSE, MTG would have attacked them every way possible, maybe even physically by spitting on them.
If it was in the SENATE, Tommy Tuberville would be the Trump-Putin cudgel to attack, insult and silence whoever attempted to start that investigation.
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Sadly, the GOP has a Putin caucus. Don’t forget Sen Ron Johnson of Wisconsin. Tuberville is the dumbest in the Senate.
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Though Johnson could give Tuberville a run for his money in the clueless Sweepstakes.
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I’m so curious about who this “Democracy” is. Such wise, informed commentary from him or her, always. It’s always a delight when he or she posts.
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Agreed. No idea if it’s a he or she.
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This is the converse of having a secret admirer. ROFL.
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This is who tRump really is: “‘Mask off’: Internet furious after Trump proudly tells rallygoers ‘I don’t care about you'”
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-mask-off-i-dont-care-about-you/
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His lack of intelligence and character will be on full display in the next few months.
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You’re probably right, because his full statement, to people in the 104 degree heat of Nevada today, was “I don”t care about you, I just want your vote…” So he’s making no attempt to hide the self-centered, despicable jerk that he truly is now.
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An incredible statement from Trump to Nevada voters. The truth spilled out: “I don’t care about you. I just want your vote.” No impulse control. Maybe he has a jacket to match Melania’s infamous “I don’t care. Do U?”
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BESIDES the fact that Trump is a pathological liar, and a racist and misogynist, and a Russian asset, and a seditious traitor, can you IMAGINE what Fox –– “which agreed Tuesday to pay Dominion Voting Systems nearly $800 million to avert a trial in the voting machine company’s lawsuit that would have exposed how the network promoted lies about the 2020 presidential election” –– and Republicans would have said and done if Obama or Biden did something like this when the teleprompter wouldn’t work(skip to the 2:40 mark)?
From Morning Joe:
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/-some-would-call-that-completely-unfit-mika-reacts-to-trump-s-teleprompter-free-speech-212624965569
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