One of the oft-told tales is about Ukraine’s failure to make a deal with Russia at the beginning of the Russian invasion in 2022. But, writes Yaridlov Trofimov, the chief foreign-affairs writer for the Wall Street Journal, there was a catch to the deal: Russia wanted Ukraine to capitulate, not to negotiate.
He writes:
The lead Ukrainian negotiator, David Arakhamia, pointed to a bottle of sanitizing gel on the table, covered by a crisp white cloth, as Russian and Ukrainian peace delegations gathered in Istanbul’s Dolmabahçe Palace.
“That’s an antiseptic,” Arakhamia told his Russian counterpart, President Vladimir Putin’s adviser Vladimir Medinsky.
“Ah, I thought it’s vodka,” Medinsky joked.
There was plenty of tension behind the jovial appearances during that pivotal meeting on March 29, 2022. Dmytro Kuleba, the Ukrainian foreign minister, had just publicly advised Ukrainian negotiators not to accept any beverages from the Russians and not to touch any surfaces, lest they be poisoned. After all, Russian forces were still at the gates of Kyiv, trying to overthrow President Volodymyr Zelensky and his government.
What actually happened on that momentous Tuesday and in the immediate aftermath has since turned into a matter of fundamental disagreement among Ukraine, Western nations and Russia. The Istanbul meeting has also emerged as a key point of discord in America’s own debate about the war, as indispensable U.S. aid to Ukraine remains stalled in Congress because of Republican opposition. Some argue that Ukraine blew a chance at the time to end the war. The real story paints a different, and far more complicated, picture.
The first meeting between Ukrainian and Russian negotiators happened on Feb. 28, 2022, in the Belarusian city of Gomel, four days after Russian tanks crossed the Ukrainian border. At that encounter, Medinsky recited a long list of the Kremlin’s demands. It included the replacement of Zelensky’s administration with a puppet regime, Ukrainian troops handing over all their tanks and artillery, the arrest and trial of “Nazis”—a Russian euphemism for any Ukrainian opposed to Moscow’s rule—and the restoration of Russian as Ukraine’s official language. Medinsky even demanded that city streets named after Ukrainian national heroes be returned to their old Soviet names.
“We listened to them, and we realized that these are not people sent for talks but for our capitulation,” recalled one of the Ukrainian negotiators, Zelensky’s adviser Mykhailo Podolyak. Yet to gain time the Ukrainians agreed to keep talking.
The story continues. The point remains the same. Putin had nothing to offer. He had demands.

Ukraine is losing. They’re going to end up capitulating anyway. Had they done it two years ago they could have kept their territory. Not to mention not lost hundreds of thousands of young lives, but you’ve already made it clear you don’t care about that.
And the notion that Russia was going to poison them at the negotiating table is unhinged Russophobic hysteria not even worthy of a Tom Clancy novel.
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Tell that to all the Russian dissidents who were poisoned, defenestrated or forcibly lost in the bowels of the Russian prison system.
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Tell it to the hundreds of thousands of Russians who left the country to avoid serving in the Russian army.
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Many more left Ukraine for that reason.
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No, Ukrainians left because Russian bombs were blowing up homes, schools, hospitals. Hundreds of thousands left Russia because they opposed the war. There were no bombs falling on Moscow and St. Petersburg.
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“Ukraine is losing.” HAAAAAAAAAA. OMG. Hilarious. Russia lost 6,900 troops and 90 tanks in a single weekend last weekend. ROFL.
A slight editorial correction, Dienne:
Ukraine’s [breathtakingly courageous stand, coupled with arms and training from the West, are the reasons why Russia }is losing.
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Everything you write about Russia and this war, Dienne, is utterly unhinged–the sort of thing that only one completely blinded by ideology could believe.
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See the illustration here:
https://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/powerpoint?trk=article-ssr-frontend-pulse_x-social-details_comments-action_comment-text
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Keep ’em coming, Dienne! Russia has no plans to invade Ukraine. Ukrainians are Nazis. There’s no bullet list like Putin’s bullet list. Russia is winning. War is peace. Ignorance is strength. Freedom is slavery. As Caitlin Johnstone said, “Square is round” and “The moon is cheese” and “Putin, isn’t he just dreamy?!?!!?!”
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I have sent you ample documentation of the nazi control of Ukraine. Sorry facts aren’t your thing.
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Haha! Zelensky, the Jewish Nazi.
Dienne, I have no idea what you read to have such crazy ideas.
Russia invaded Ukraine.
Ukraine did not invade Russia.
Russia wants to control Ukraine.
Ukraine wants to protect its sovereignty.
Ukraine wants to be aligned with the democratic nations, not with the tyrant Putin.
Do you get your talking points from Putin or Marjorie Taylor Greene?
Slava Ukraina!
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Yawn. That’s the same childish answer no matter what evidence I present. It’s because you can’t actually refute the evidence.
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The evidence you cite is always pro-Putin. I truly don’t understand your admiration for that beast.
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“evidence” she says
OMG HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Clueless
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The most demonstrable Nazi in Europe is Vladimir Putin.
He has criminalized dissent. He murders his opponents. He arrests anyone who dares to criticize the “special operation” in Ukraine. It is criminal to call it a war. He has criminalized being LGBT.
The leading Nazi in Europe today is Putin.
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You pal Navalny was a Russian nationalist who called Muslims cockroaches. Andriy Biletsky, head of the former Azov Battalion (now called some non-descript name because Azov became too uncomfortably nazi) has talked extensively about protecting the “whit e races”
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Navalny was a great man. Of course you would hate him because he was the leader of the opposition to Putin.
So Putin murdered him.
I remember when you insisted Putin would never invade Ukraine.
Then you said he had to “denazify” Ukraine, since Zelensky was a a well known Jewish Nazi.
Then you said Putin had to prevent the expansion of NATO; because of Putin’s aggression, Finland and Sweden joined NATO, extending NATO’s borders with Russia.
Why do much admiration for Putin?
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By “documentation,” Dienne means a piece of propaganda “journalism” written by a Putin tool. ROFL. Dienne is deluded.
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BTW, speaking of who got what really, really wrong, the NYT is in deep scandal because their Hamas rape story has fallen completely apart. Even NYT writers are upset about it.
The main “journalist” investigating the story was a rookie with not nearly enough experience to handle a story like that. She worked with her nephew who was a food writer. They admit that the only “evidence” they ever found came from Zionist sources which have been repeatedly debunked and discredited. More women have accused Bill Clinton of rape than have accused Hamas.
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Dienne,
You have reached rock bottom with your defense of Hamas.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/18/evidence-points-to-systematic-use-of-rape-by-hamas-in-7-october-attacks
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Click to access English_Swords_of_Iron_DOCUMENTS_ARCCI%20report%20-%20Hamas%20sexual%20crimes%20on%20october%207.pdf
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Oh, and The Intercept is an anti-American, pro-Russian propaganda rag.
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But by all means, don’t believe the survivors, Dienne. Believe the rapists and terrorists.
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How horrific does an atrocity have to be for you not to condone it, Dienne? Genocide, random murder of civilians, rape of children and women and grandmothers, bombing of civilian dwellings and infrastructure and of schools and cultural monuments and institutions, widespread property theft–it doesn’t matter. As long as it is Russian or Hamas doing it, it’s just fine with you.
Your views are revolting, Dienne. An affront to decency. Sickening. Disgusting.
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I think dienne77 works for Putin, paid or not.
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The story continues. The point remains the same.
The last thing the Merchants of Death Industry
wants, is an end to their
“peace and development” sales…
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No hay duda. Bien dicho.
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Thanks be to all the gods for the strong U.S. Defense industry that enables us to assist countries like Kuwait and Ukraine, that keeps us safe from attack and invasion, that holds the NATO borders in Europe, and provides the deterrent that keeps Pax Americana worldwide.
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You guys are so right. Let’s stop funding the military and let North Korea invade South Korea and bomb San Franscisco and Los Angeles. Oh, and let’s let Russia have Europe and the entire Middle East. That sounds like quite the plan!
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No deals with the war criminals. They must be driven out of every square centimeter of Ukraine, including Crimea and the Donbas.
The failure of Obama to respond with force to the invasion of Crimea must be added to a long list of idiocies and crimes perpetrated by his maladministration.
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I have mixed feelings about Crimea. My (perhaps incorrect) recollection is that it had been part of Russia and only given to Ukraine because Khrushchev was Ukrainian.
As to Donbass and the other Eastern regions, boys and girls, can you spell Sudetenland? Putin doesn’t even bother to hide behind it’s being his last territorial demand.
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Crimea is not pro-Russian. Ukrainians, whether primarily Russian-speaking or primarily Ukrainian-speaking, will have long, long memories of the depredations visited upon them by the literal criminals that Russia has unleashed upon them.
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https://snyder.substack.com/p/russias-crimea-disconnect
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As long as Putin and his brutal kleptocratic regime, the Russian mafia, stays in power, this war will continue. Putin worships Stalin who valued no one’s life.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/10/vladimir-putin-russia-rehabilitating-stalin-soviet-past
“The Soviet Union lost around 27 million people during the war (WWII), including 8.7 million military and 19 million civilian deaths. The largest portion of military dead were 5.7 million ethnic Russians, followed by 1.3 million ethnic Ukrainians.”
Stalin forced unarmed recruits to charge Nazi troops so the Nazis would run out of bullets before the Soviet Army’s armed troops attacked.
And when Stalin collectives the farms in the Soviet Union, any farmers that didn’t hand over their farms were cut off and starved. Millions died.
https://www.history.com/news/ukrainian-famine-stalin
“In his embrace of imperial and nationalist ideology, his ruthless crackdown on civil society and any form of dissent, and his call to arms of almost the entire country, Putin has reabsorbed nearly all the classical elements of Stalinist totalitarianism, from the cult of personality to the cult of heroic death.”
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/russian-federation/putin-stalin-phase#:~:text=In%20his%20embrace%20of%20imperial,the%20cult%20of%20heroic%20death.
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The only “deal” that should be made about Russia’s illegal seizure of Crimea and invasion of other regions of Ukraine is that Russia withdraw from all Ukrainian territory and make restitution for all damages.
Allowing Russia to keep even an inch of Ukrainian territory or to not have to pay restitution is cowardly capitulation that only invites future Russian seizures and invasions. Russia already has said that Lithuania is “a threat to Russian security”, foreshadowing invasion of that country…but Lithuania is a NATO member…if Russia invades Lithuania, NATO is faced with two choices: Honor the NATO mutual defense pact, or jawbone. Doing either ends NATO…which has been Putin’s goal all along.
And if NATO ends, Russia’s retaking of all its former Soviet Union nations and territories — and more — begins…with no end to it.
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Putin made it clear in his mythological history and imperialist screed “On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians” that his intention is to build a “Greater Russia.” In his diseased mind, all of eastern Europe and all of Ukraine and all of the “stans” (Central Asia) are destined to become part of that empire.
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