Charlie Sykes is a leading Never Trumper who writes at “The Bulwark.” This is part of his take on last night’s debate. I like to read The Bulwark because I think of its writers as the sane remnant of the GOP.
Donald Trump’s fourth perp walk, Rudy’s mugshot, and another assassination by Vladimir Putin.
But let’s talk about last night, shall we?
The Fox News hosts began the presidential debate by asking candidates to react to a country song, ended with a question about UFOs, and struggled mightily to avoid mentioning the orange elephant not in the room.
Along the way, millions of Republicans were introduced to the Tracy Flick of post-Trump right wing politics.

Vivek Ramaswamy, who seems to have won the Elon Musk primary, was the night’s break-out star. “Ramaswamy Seizes Spotlight,” The New York Times declared, describing the first GOP debate as “The Ramaswamy show.”
My colleague Mona Charen spoke for many of us when she said last night that “I guess if I react with visceral disgust to Vivek, it’s probably a sign that the base loves him.”
Well, exactly.
Vivek is a facile, clownish, shallow, shameless, pandering demagogue, but he is exactly what GOP voters crave these days. So, he will likely get a bump in the polls, at least in the short-run.
Last night, Vivek was Trumpier than Trump. He touched all the erogenous zones of the MAGAverse with a fluency and zeal unmatched by anyone on the stage, from his anti-Ukraine memes to his fawning praise of the absent God King.
Trump himself loved it, posting a video clip of Vivek declaring him “the BEST president of the 21st century, and thanking him: “This answer gave Vivek Ramaswamy a big WIN in the debate because of a thing called TRUTH. Thank you Vivek!”
For most of the night, Vivek seemed to dominate the debate.
Until he was utterly and thoroughly gutted by Nikki Haley.
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Nikki
Last year, I wrote about “The Unbearable Lightness of Nikki,” but last night, the former South Carolina governor impressively overperformed. On issue after issue — spending, abortion, Ukraine, and Trump’s electability — she was serious, sober, and substantive. If Vivek won the MAGA primary debate; Haley, arguably, won the Normie/Donor debate — and she’s likely to get a serious second look.
On spending:
“The truth is that Biden didn’t do this to us. Our Republicans did this to us too. When they passed that $2.2 trillion Covid stimulus bill, they left us with 90 million people on Medicaid, 42 million people on food stamps,” argued Haley. “You have Ron DeSantis, you’ve got Tim Scott, you’ve got Mike Pence, they all voted to raise the debt and Donald Trump added 8 trillion to our debt and our kids are never gonna forgive us for this.”
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On Trump:
“It is time for a new generational conservative leader. We have to look at the fact that three-quarters of Americans don’t want a rematch between Trump and Biden. And we have to face the fact that Trump is the most disliked politician in America. We can’t win a general election that way.”
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Vivisecting Vivek
The highlight of her performance was her merciless critique of Vivek’s global surrender tour. “He wants to stop funding for Israel. He wants to stop funding for Ukraine,” Haley said. “You are choosing a murderer.”
“Ukraine is the first line of defense for us. And the problem that Vivek doesn’t understand is he wants to hand Ukraine to Russia,” Haley declared. “He wants to let China eat Taiwan. He wants to go and stop funding Israel. You don’t do that to friends. What you do instead is you have the backs of your friends.”
“You have no foreign policy experience and it shows!”
Until that moment, Vivek owned the hall in Milwaukee. But as Nikki turned on him, the change in mood was palpable. My colleague Sonny Bunch:

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Sykes’ piece is well written.
And, the G.O.P’s. role in blowing up the national debt is very real. Nikki Haley is correct on that count. Our kids will be stuck paying off that bill. In fact, they already are.
I also love the Tracy Flick reference For years I showed my 12th grade government students an edited version of the film “Election”. It prompted all sorts of discussions about ethics.
(Note: my self-editing was done WAY before Moms for Insanity or whatever they’re called these days. The full movie is definitely R rated.)
BTW As a student discovered, there is an alternate ending to “Election” that was scuttled because it was too upbeat. (It can be found on YouTube.)
Ether way, Tracy wins in the end. Hmmm….sure hope that ain’t the case in ’24.
At any rate, I couldn’t stomach the Republican TV demolition debate derby. I had paint to peel -literally.
The morning after post-mortems are enough.
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Vivek is right about the 150 billion. 150 billion is too much; sickening that you all think helping Ukraine, which Reuters increasingly, cnn and many other mainstream sights deemed as beyond corrupt, have nazi problems. Ukraine leader has become increasingly corrupt. You all believe there is no money laundering, human trafficking, and bio labs in Ukraine? Wow, critical thinking skills of a young mouse.
Trump is going to win 2024 in an epic landslide, it is good to learn about the losers in the field, they will never beat trump.
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So, what happened to the head of the Wagner Group?
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He was Putinized .
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Richie, you’re not very rich in neurons, bro.
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“Trump is going to win 2024 in an epic landslide”
I agree. . . if you are talking about the Rethug primaries. . . and then he’ll pull a Debs!
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What debate?
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I thought I’d heard something about a GOP circus happening last night. . . .
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Never heard about it. Was there a clown show? Sorry I listened to Maggie Haberman Podcast at the Times today . But I wasted a lot less of my Time.
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I had a lot more fun than that. My dog had a seizure and I had to go to the vet. It was certainly more entertaining, even after a hard day at the carpentry crew, than a debate between people who kiss up to Trump.
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The AG of Wash. D.C. is investigating Leonard Leo. Reports say it centers around the 85 Fund ($43 mil to Leo’s company). The 85 Fund was moved from Virginia then, to a virtual office in Ft. Worth and, additionally, a UPS store also in Texas.
Texas’ oversight of charities is lax.
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A UPS store as a charity address is classic.
Talk about a shell game.
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The 85 Fund moved after Politico’s investigation.
A fourth estate is essential.
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Highlight of the debate, no question:
https://x.com/dougboneparth/status/1694707406327132184?s=46&t=vV_4bJ7GuABaalzetJofQA
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Serial killer?
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There are so many possibilities.
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It’s so funny that it really is sad, especially for the people of “free Florida” that live under this psycho’s thumb.
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Here’s a principled conservative writer doing what this blog never does: holding both major parties and their partisans to account for the abysmal state of American politics in 2023.
https://www.commentary.org/abe-greenwald/our-make-believe-politics/?vgo_ee=VdA5tAPIOZ8x1pApGnYSmNbSAyMcbKJaJMRM7Q0biguru7vIEas%3D%3AQQcKhBu0sdByWSQ25Qk5x16uwYKS2qOm
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Rightwing publication.
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“what this blog never does: holding both major parties and their partisans to account”
You haven’t been here long enough to know that your statement is wrong.
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Pssst, Erica.
Here’s a piece written more than a decade ago by two of the longest-serving and most-respected Congressional scholars in the country. And things have only gotten worse — much, much worse – since Trump.
“We have been studying Washington politics and Congress for more than 40 years, and never have we seen them this dysfunctional. In our past writings, we have criticized both parties when we believed it was warranted. Today, however, we have no choice but to acknowledge that the core of the problem lies with the Republican Party.”
“The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition…When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country’s challenges.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/lets-just-say-it-the-republicans-are-the-problem/2012/04/27/gIQAxCVUlT_story.html
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There’s actually a lot of good stuff in that piece. I especially like their take on Ukraine. But their take on Biden/ Biden family is kind of weak. I’m still waiting for the there there.
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“…the sane remnant of the GOP.”
You mean the neocons who got us into an illegal war with Iraq that killed a million+ (not to mention the thousands tortured)? That sane GOP?
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You know how bad things are among Republicans when Nikki Haley appears to be the most reasonable one.
Sykes must have lost his mind if he is reconsidering her.
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Ditto, SDP.
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There are no more reasonable republicans at all. The entire party spent an unproductive 2016 campaign wishing it could have a philosophy, then coalesced around Trump, who arguably reversed every long-term policy of the party. They have sold out to social issues that change every six months. Their constituents are people who think opposition to them is treason, which erodes all semblance of representative government in a sea of McCarthyist rants over CRT, BLM, the other BLM,
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I give up.
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Agree, Roy.
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What really bothered me was all those hands going up saying they would support a convicted felon. I’m waiting for the prohibition against holding office in the 14th Amendment to be widely acknowledged. Aren’t the candidates who pledged their support to a man who could be convicted of trying to overthrow the government in essence making themselves culpable as well if he is convicted? They would be putting party over the Constitution. Isn’t that treason?
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Sedition and treason are now cornerstones of the Republican Party.
“Section 3 automatically excludes from future office and position of power in the United States government—and also from any equivalent office and position of power in the sovereign states and their subdivisions—any person who has taken an oath to support and defend our Constitution and thereafter rebels against that sacred charter, either through overt insurrection or by giving aid or comfort to the Constitution’s enemies.”
“The clause was designed to operate directly and immediately upon those who betray their oaths to the Constitution, whether by taking up arms to overturn our government or by waging war on our government by attempting to overturn a presidential election through a bloodless coup…The former president’s efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election, and the resulting attack on the U.S. Capitol, place him squarely within the ambit of the disqualification clause, and he is therefore ineligible to serve as president ever again.”
Republicans often say they “revere” the U.S. Constitution. Obviously, that’s a flat-out lie.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/08/donald-trump-constitutionally-prohibited-presidency/675048/
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“Two prominent conservative law professors have concluded that Donald J. Trump is ineligible to be president under a provision of the Constitution that bars people who have engaged in an insurrection from holding government office. The professors are active members of the Federalist Society, the conservative legal group, and proponents of originalism, the method of interpretation that seeks to determine the Constitution’s original meaning.”
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One of the professors is with the conservative Catholic St. Thomas University in Minn. The article isn’t set for publication until next year yet, a lot of media are fawning over it. IMO, its purpose is to signal that Koch and the Catholic power brokers have abandoned Trump.
The scholar appears to me to be well-connected in D.C. religious power circles.
St. Thomas has been in the news for an on-going story involving the Republican chapter on campus whose activities had legal consequences for individuals and political consequences for the state party chair.
An internet search of St. Thomas University and Claremont Institute is fruitful.
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Lock your doors! Prisoner 01135809 is wandering about loose!
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Trump interviewed outside Fulton Co. Jail
Treason’s Greetings
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Omg Bob your head will explode, and I wish your mental health luck when it all boomerangs. They are so desperate to get TRump it is beyond sickening.
Election Interference with little chance to convict, just like the fake impeachments and the russia hoax. The true criminals, Biden’s, clintons, obamas, soros etc will be the ones who cannot walk down the street.
When the republicans go after true liars and criminals like Schiff and the bidens with real evidence, you all cry like the babies you are.
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Still waiting for that evidence.
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91 felony counts so far
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What an unprecedented (or as toddler Trump spells it, unpresidented) situation: the leading presidential candidate is facing 91 felony counts for serious crimes like mishandling of top-secret documents and attempting to overthrow the elected government of the country AND was recently determined by a judge and jury to be a rapist.
Our treasonous rapist ex-president.
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Aka, The Loser Guy
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Russia hoax? You should remove your head from your assumptions. The Traitor had hundreds of Russian agents swirling around him. Maybe actually read the mueller report instead of regurgitating staid Murdoch agitprop.
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“The true criminals, Biden’s, clintons, obamas, soros etc will be the ones who cannot walk down the street.”
OMG, did you actually just write that? Is this all you’ve got, vs sufficient evidence against Trump on taxes and sexual assault and efforts to subvert the public vote good enough for multiple endictments?
We will all be waiting with baited breath to see if investigations into Clintons (?), Obama (?) Soros (?) “etc”—though many no doubt have been investigating for years and haven’t come up with anything that came close to indicting them.
The Biden investigations are newer: I predict same results.
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It shouldn’t be shocking to read that some of the GOP candidates want to crush teachers’ unions. DeSantis, idiot that he is, said, ““We cannot be graduating students that don’t have any foundation in what it means to be an American.” Yep, slaves just LOVED how they were treated when they worked on plantations. Being beaten was part of the joy.
Eliminate Department of Education, Four Republican Presidential Candidates Say
In the first Republican presidential debate of the 2024 election cycle, four of the candidates called for the elimination of the U.S. Department of Education, while three also vowed to crush teacher unions.
Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida, Vivek Ramaswamy, Governor Doug Burgum of North Dakota, and Vice President Mike Pence all said that, if elected, they would eliminate the federal Department of Education. Ramaswamy, former Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey, and Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina also threatened the teacher unions, with Scott saying, “The only way we change education in this nation is to break the backs of the teachers unions.”
The U.S. Department of Education was created by a law passed in 1979 under the administration of President Jimmy Carter and began operating in 1980. Before that, from 1953 forward, the federal government’s education-related functions were part of the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare.
Fox News, which hosted the debate in Milwaukee, devoted a segment toward the end of the two-hour program to education, with moderator Bret Baier referring to the Nation’s Report Cardexposing a “crisis” of chronic absenteeism and steep declines in reading and math achievement.
“The decline in education is one of the major reasons why our country is in decline,” DeSantis said. “In Florida, we stood up for what was right. First, we had schools open during Covid, and a lot of the problems that we’ve seen are because these lockdown states locked their kids out of school for a year, year and a half. That was wrong.
“As president, I’m going to lead an effort to increase civic understanding and knowledge of our constitution,” the Florida governor added. “We cannot be graduating students that don’t have any foundation in what it means to be an American.”
“Let’s shut down the head of the snake, the Department of Education,” Ramaswamy said. “Take that $80 billion, put it in the hands of parents across this country. This is the civil rights issue of our time. Allow any parent to choose where they send their kids to school.”
Ramaswamy also said he’d “end the teachers unions at the local level.” He did not specify how he would achieve that. Neither did Senator Scott….
https://www.educationnext.org/eliminate-department-of-education-four-republican-presidential-candidates-say/
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It’s always good to get into perspective how strong teachers unions are in states where political leaders claim they [Dems] are running the show, & blame them for their states’ poor showing in ‘ed achievement’ compared to other states. Facts are, over half our states are “right to work,” and teachers unions in those states are hardly strong influences on pubschoolsystems– often mere “teachers’ associations”–yet those are the very states claiming teachers unions are to blame for their poor showing.
This is a decade-old study by Fordham, but doubt things have changed much since then. https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/research/how-strong-are-us-teacher-unions-state-state-comparison
Some of the loudest govtl voices against teachers unions can be seen here to be attributing ludicrously high influence of unions which are in fact mere “teachers associations” without even ability to negotiate salaries. Note weakest teachers unions whose states’ political leaders blame excessive power of their [actually very weak] teachers’ unions “causing” poor ed results: TX, FL, VA, among others.
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awwww Bob keep dreaming. Why didn’t they do this 2-3 years ago and wait until now with the election 1 year away and Trump the clear favorite? I cannot wait for the discovery to come out on this most disturbing election you cannot question or you get in trouble or raided . Really makes us feel like it was a fair election (most corrupt). Mishandling nothing, Biden had hundreds of boxes of records and he was never president.
Only losers is your dem clown admin who everyone is laughing and all the losers who vote and continue to back this dementia traitor.
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awwww Bob keep dreaming. Why didn’t they do this 2-3 years ago and wait until now with the election 1 year away and Trump the clear favorite? I cannot wait for the discovery to come out on this most disturbing election where you cannot question or you get in trouble or raided. Really makes us feel like it was a fair election (most corrupt). Mishandling nothing, Biden had hundreds of boxes of records and he was never president.
Only losers is your dem clown admin who everyone is laughing and all the losers who vote and continue to back this dementia traitor.
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You got conned Richie by a Russia chaos asset and his putrid bigotry. Your support for a Putin puppet mobster is fleeting however since American Justice holds ALL accountable. How’s Prigozhin doing?
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Do you mean the most corrupt country Ukraine? With 46 bio labs, human trafficking and sex trafficking, insane money laundering, and nazis are the good guys? How long did it take you to realize Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction and it was an inside job from Bush and Mueller and many more?
Bidens got 3 million from mayor moscow, thats cool right? Biden quid pro quo to get someone from investigating them, no problem! Biden bombs thennordstream pipeline, no impeachment, fair right? 100 plus billion to Ukraine because Joe is compromised, lets support that right?
America does regime changes like Zelensky all the time, people like Putin, Ghadaffi and others who wont bend their knee to the US ARE LOOKED TO BE TAKEN OUT.
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With Apologies to Charlie Daniels
The devil went down to Georgia.
He was looking for some votes to steal,
but the folks he met there were patriots
not willing to make a deal.
Fani, indict those bastards now; indict ’em good and hard
’cause that Devil don’t belong in Georgia and doesn’t hold all the cards,
and if you win, our beloved country is not bought and sold,
but if you lose, the devil gets our soul.
Fake electors, run now, run.
Trump’s in the house of corrections, son.
Rudy’s with the bail bondsman, shelling out dough.
Is Donald Trump sane? Well? No, child, no.
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