Harold Meyerson of The American Prospect writes here about the sharp divergence between red states and blue states. Their elected officials have very different ideas about how to build their state and serve the needs of the public. There is one issue that he overlooked: vouchers. Red states are busy handing out tax dollars to families whose children are already enrolled in private and religious schools and tearing down the wall of separation between church and state.
Which side are you on?
He writes:
Two Prospect pieces on red and blue trifecta states make clear we really are two separate nations.
If there’s anyone who’s still mystified about why congressional Democrats and Republicans can’t come to an agreement on anything so basic as honoring the debts they’ve incurred, may I gently suggest they take a look at what Democrats and Republicans are doing in the particular states they each completely control.
Yesterday, we posted a piece by my colleague Ryan Cooper on how Minnesota, where Democrats now control both houses of the legislature and the governor’s office, has just enacted its own (to be sure, scaled-back) version of Scandinavian social democracy—including paid sick leave for all, paid family leave, a minimum wage for Uber and Lyft drivers, sector-wide collective bargaining in key industries, and the outlawing of “captive audience” meetings, in which management compels employees to attend anti-union rants. A new law also strengthens women’s right to an abortion. Similar laws have been enacted or are under consideration in other Democratic “trifecta” states, though none quite so pro-worker as some of Minnesota’s.
Also yesterday, we posted one of my pieces, this one on everything that Texas’s Republican legislature and governor are enacting to strip power from their large cities, almost all of which are solidly Democratic. One new bill says the state can declare elections to be invalid and compel new ones to be held under state supervision in the state’s largest county, Harris County, which is home to reliably Democratic Houston. And the state Senate has also passed a bill that would strip from cities the ability to pass any regulations on wages, workplace safety, business and financial practices, the environment, and the extent of property rights that exceed the standards set by the state. Which leaves cities with the power to do essentially nothing. No other Republican trifecta states have gone quite as far as Texas, but Tennessee’s legislature did effectively abolish Nashville’s congressional district and expel its assemblymember; Alabama’s legislature revoked Birmingham’s minimum-wage law; and Florida’s governor suspended Tampa’s elected DA because he wouldn’t prosecute women and doctors for violating the state’s new anti-abortion statutes. Beyond their war on cities, Republican trifecta states have long refused to expand Medicaid coverage, have recently also begun to re-legalize child labor and legislate prison terms for librarians whose shelves hold banned books, and in the wake of the Dobbsdecision, criminalized abortions.
Just as cosmic inflation propels the stars away from each other with ever-expanding speed, so Democratic and Republican states are also moving away from each other at an accelerating pace—the Democrats toward a more humane future; the Republicans borne back ceaselessly into a nightmare version of the past. Any dispassionate view of America today has to conclude that the differences between these two Americas are almost as large and intractable as those that split the nation in 1860 and ’61. (The South’s opposition to fairly paid and nondiscriminatory labor was the central issue then and remains a central issue now.)
That said, when confronted with the choice between those two Americas, voters in those red states have frequently backed the blue-state versions of economic rights and personal freedoms, as is clear from their many initiative and referendum votes to raise the minimum wage, expand Medicaid, and preserve the right to an abortion. Likewise, the polling on unions shows their national favorability rating now exceeds 70 percent of the public, including roughly half of self-declared Republicans. Only by their relentless demagoguery on culture-war issues and immigration, their adept gerrymandering, and the disproportionate power that the composition of the Senate vests in barely inhabited states can the Republicans enforce their biases against a rising public tide—but enforce them they do wherever they have the power.
All right, as John Dos Passos wrote in his USA Trilogy, we are two nations—and becoming more so with each passing day.
Postscript: In his Washington Post column…, Perry Bacon noted that while a number of news publications have gone under recently, a few, in his words, “are reimagining political journalism in smart ways.” He cited seven such publications, and his list was headed by—ahem—The American Prospect.

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DeSantis didn’t fire fhe twice-elected state’s attorney for Hillsborough County for refusing to prosecute abortion cases.
(Florida’s limit is under review in state court. Previously the state supreme court ruled that the right to privacy in the Florida Constitution included a woman’s right to choose. All this came before this year’s lapdog legislature enacted a six-week limit, also pending the Florida court ruling on what, if anything, privacy means these days in the governor’s free Florida.)
Instead, DeSantis fired the SA for saying he wouldn’t prosecute abortion cases. No such cases have come to the state’s attorney for prosecution. This is a free-speech issue.
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I’m not sure that this is more than semantics. The elected state attorney said he wouldn’t prosecute abortion cases. DeFascist fired him for saying so. He would have also fired him if he acted on his stated views.
Since the Florida Supreme Court supported a woman’s right to choose, DeSantis has taken control of that Court. I expect his cronies to defend him.
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The “take care of the rich” spin tank, BiPartisan Policy Center, will be led by Margaret Spellings, former education secretary (Bush). Presumably, we will see more of the Center’s events sponsored by Gates and John Arnold.
Btw- Tim Scott’s dominant talking point on The View today was pro-school choice. As expected, the panel didn’t challenge him about the point. His strongest critic on other issues was Sunny. She attended Catholic schools.
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Myerson is certainly correct in his pointing out the divergent approaches to governing that exist in states controlled by Democrats and Republicans. Nor do I find reasons to disagree on which is preferable.
I do, however, think his suggestion that we are more divided than at any time since 1861 is historically subject to challenge.
A year after the Civil War came to an end, Memphis erupted in a race riot that was not so Much Klan-based (no formal Klan in 1866) as it was class-based. Lower class workers, especially recent Irish Immigrants, and a racism bourne of economic competition rather than slavery and classism. In 1877, the entire nation erupted in violence, threatening the Pax Repunlicana with a nationwide class war. This would accelerate through the turbulent labor movement. Things have been a lot worse than hey are now. But that does not mean we are all at a Sunday school picnic
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I suppose simmering hatred and distrust is better than armed conflict.
However the easy access to guns (over 400 million of them) is another sort of conflict. Children are often the victims.
Firearms are the leading cause of death for children.
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Diane: given the relative good condition of the world now, the degree of shift to autocracy in the world is certainly cause for consternation. The sales of firearms here in the US places us at risk for disturbance.
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Robert Dahl from Yale was THE democratic theorist of the last third of the 20th century. He wrote a number of seminal works, one of which concluded, if I remember correctly, the ideal size for a responsive democratic polity was around 100-150,000. A certain number of groupings of such communities (New York, for example, would be many communities, some the size of a few blocks) could sustain a larger amalgamation of communities to create a state. But at some point, a pluralistic state would become too large to be responsive to the most essential needs of its constituencies.
I write this because it is one reason I believe the United States have become ungovernable; its scale is too large. The romantic idea of the United States is stymying its ability to govern. History is holding back reality. The narrowness of the current American political divide is evidence; it makes governing constantly precarious. But if the southeast could pick its “national” leadership, it would look quite different from that of the northeast or far west. Indeed, even groupings are arbitrary. Who says Oregon, Washington, and California are naturally at state? I don’t know what the constituencies look like. Should Ohio belong to one with Pennsylvania or Indiana or Michigan or Kentucky or West Virginia or parts of them.
All I know is that this idea of the United States of America is myth too many cling onto to keep the fiction alive.
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Sounds like you and Marjorie Taylor Greene agree on the need for a national divorce. Not sure how the coastal states could join into one state.
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If the Treaty of Versailles taught us anything, it’s that borders do not have be be contiguous! 😂
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History teaches this: nothing is forever. I agree, Greg. The U.S. is too big and too varied to be governable except by an extremely violent autocracy.
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But to Diane’s point, it’s really difficult to imagine what the fix might be.
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Here’s a good commentary and discussion related to this. I think Laurie’s line, “American is too big to know itself.” I agree based on my lifetime of travels.
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GregB I would be careful about the “America is too big” argument . . . that is, to not confuse “too-big-ness” with the natural messiness of democracy and the freedom that comes with governing “from below” and by written law rather than by the over-control that comes with strongman fascism and control-by-violence and fear.
The Chinese leader had similar things to say about democracy. It won’t work because it’s too chaotic . . . but for him, my guess is that such statements can be translated into “it’s not governed by (whatever named) fear of going to a re-education camp,” or worse.
There is such a thing as a benevolent dictator, but my guess is such an attitude is not often long-lived. CBK
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Once again, you miss my point completely. The very nature of democracy requires citizen engagement, which is dependent on having a commonly understood language upon which to base policy decisions. Scale matters because the ability to talk to each other diminishes over greater distances and differences. In addition to geography, we have other challenges, as Wynton explains well here:
It may not be too big to travel or appreciate for some, but it has proven to become ungovernable for the many. When I was young, it meant something to be an American, something to be admired, even if it was begrudging. Our standing in the world is lower than it has ever been, Biden’s leadership in Ukraine excepted. Note Laurie’s opening comment about how hard we work. No civilized nation aspires to be like us anymore.
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Quote of the Day:
“Until a drag queen walks into a school and beats eight kids to death with a copy of To Kill a Mockingbird, I think you’re focusing on the wrong shit.”
–Wanda Sykes
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If that did happen, it would surely ban most books forever. republican logic.
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We shouldn’t be looking at the current electorate. We should be looking at the electorate 5-10 years from now. What do the current 13-15-year-olds think? What happens when the now elderly die off and are replaced by these young people? They have much, much, much more progressive views than their parents did about everything. The map is going to look quite different quite soon. So, the Repugnicans have a very short window in which to establish autocracy and end democracy, including universal suffrage. If they don’t do something like that SOON, then they become history. They go the way of the Know-Nothings. Their one chance of survival is to pack Trump off to prison, get DeFascist elected, and insist that the now Extreme Court implement the Independent State Legislature theory and embrace all varieties of Repugnican vote-fixing.
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The GOP runs events to snag young people into their dystopian cult, but they are not the majority. Overall, more young people are tend to be more liberal in their views than older folks.
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RACISM – Red and Blue. In CA the so called “Christian” (Aryan Nation) Identity movement, influenced by a “Christian Identity” publication effectively created the Red & Blue and other Gangs in CA prisons that have now moved across America with Drug Operations. Red & Blue are interesting symbols! Read: “Searching for Social Justice” Thornburg (2014). Google: Paul Hall, Jr. Christian Identity in SPLC. Aryan Nation groups were connected to the Oklahoma Federal Building Bombing. Their and continued (I believe) to Charlottesville, “Jews will not replace us!” Trump’s “good people.” The on to the January 6th Insurrection. These are intersections in the Red & Blue divisions, politically motivated, according to Stewart Stevens with the Republican Party for decades.
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The question to answer is “cui bono”- who benefits from a divided, weakened US, which looks to be an unreliable ally on the world stage.
Putin, of course, and the other autocrats such as Vicktor Orban. We’ve no reason to believe the Russian disinformation operation has ceased – in recent days Marine LePen’s connections have been exposed and Tara Reid (who accused Biden of rape) has appeared in Moscow alongside Maria Butina. The Russian bots are everywhere on social media.
Imagine if Empty Greene’s divorce scenario came true. We’d have empoverished red states, lacking the freedoms we take as part of American heritage, bordering wealthy, well educated blue states whose residents continue to enjoy those freedoms of speech, association, civil rights. There’d be constant conflict.
Not everyone in those red states seeks repressive governance. In many places, a majority are Black or Brown. People can’t just up and move, nor should they be expected to. Division may suit some, to consolidate their power, but let’s not just concede the notion that we’re too big to succeed.
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