This is one of the most bizarre stories I have ever read. The Republican-dominated Missouri legislature voted down a ban on children openly carrying weapons on public grounds without adult supervision. To this insane political party, no one is too young to carry a weapon.
The Republican-controlled Missouri House of Representatives rejected a proposal Wednesday that would have banned children from being able to openly carry firearms on public land without adult supervision.
The proposal, which was part of a long debate in the chamber on how to fight crime in St. Louis, was defeated by a vote of 104-39, with just one Republican voting in support of the ban. After the amendment on the open-carry restrictions for minors was initially supported by the Republican legislator sponsoring a broader crime bill, GOP lawmakers on a committee that he leads removed the firearms provision last week.
“Every time we talked about the provision related to guns, we knew that was going to be difficult on our side of the aisle,” state Rep. Lane Roberts (R) said Wednesday, according to the Associated Press.
State Rep. Donna Baringer (D), who represents St. Louis and sponsored the amendment to H.B. 301, said she brought the proposal to the chamber after police in her district requested tighter regulations to stop “14-year-olds walking down the middle of the street in the city of St. Louis carrying AR-15s.”
“Now they have been emboldened, and they are walking around with them,” Baringer said. “Until they actually brandish them, and brandish them with intent, our police officers’ hands are handcuffed.”
While critics and Democrats denounced Republican lawmakers for defeating the proposal, some GOP lawmakers, such as state Rep. Tony Lovasco, defended the decision.
“Government should prohibit acts that directly cause measurable harm to others, not activities we simply suspect might escalate,” Lovasco, who represents the St. Louis suburb of O’Fallon, told The Washington Post in a statement. “Few would support banning unaccompanied kids in public places, yet one could argue such a bad policy might be effective. While it’s reasonable to be wary of minors’ carrying guns, any solution to juvenile crime needs to be crafted properly and respectful of individual rights…”
Since 2017, Missouri residents have not been required to have a permit for concealed carry, after lawmakers in the Missouri House voted to override a veto by then-Gov. Jay Nixon (D) of a broad gun-rights bill. The law does not require gun owners to take safety training or have a criminal-background check to carry concealed firearms in most public places. The move was celebrated by Republicans, but law enforcement officials warned that the law was “going to make officers a lot more apprehensive,” St. Louis Public Radio reported at the time….
The Republicans must figure that a child is a citizen, and every citizen has the right to bear arms. Even if that citizen is only six years old.
One Republican, Rep. Lane Roberts supported the bill.
“This is about people who don’t have the life experience to make a decision about the consequences of having that gun in their possession,” Roberts said, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. “Why is an 8-year-old carrying a sidearm in the street?”
But Roberts’s sentiment was not supported by his GOP colleagues on the House Crime Prevention and Public Safety Committee, who removed the provision.
“I just have a different approach for addressing public safety that doesn’t deprive people, who have done nothing to any other person, who will commit no violence, from their freedom,” Republican state Rep. Bill Hardwick, who represents Pulaski County and Fort Leonard Wood, told the Post-Dispatch.
Critics noted how quickly the momentum shifted on the proposal.“I am old enough to remember when Missouri Republicans were pretending to care about gun violence in St. Louis. Like, 2 days ago,” Post-Dispatch columnist Tony Messenger tweeted on Friday. “That was short-lived.”
On Wednesday, Baringer offered an amendment to try to add the provision back into the broader crime bill that was being voted on by the chamber, but it was overwhelmingly voted down.
The vote was met with blowback from Democrats and gun control advocates. Among those was Shannon Watts, founder of the gun violence prevention nonprofit Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America. “Republicans can’t claim to be tough on crime when they’re soft on guns,” she wrote on Twitter.
State Rep. Peter Merideth (D) argued that the state cares more about drag shows than children openly carrying guns. One bill currently proposed in Missouri notes that it wants to change “the definition of a sexually oriented business to include any nightclub or bar that provides drag performances.” Another proposed bill would categorize drag performances on public property or viewed by minors as Class A misdemeanors.
You do have to wonder what legislation the House Crime Prevention and Public Safety Committee passes. What do they do?
WOW….TOTALLY NUTS!
Where are the mental health workers in Missouri???
HUH?
Yes, there are. They even testify in hearings on this and other issues. What’s your point?
Heck, they’re even the one caveat in Missouri’s “Don’t Say Gay” proposed legislation – – the person a kid would be able to talk to anyone about sexual orientation is with a licensed mental health worker.
A good example of the weaponization of the Missouri government, both literally and figuratively .
Missouri: Saner citizens suggest that Missouri legislature vote itself mental health treatment/medication.
In other news, Church of England votes to approve blessings for LGBTQ persons. Also approves peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and the wheel.
“that doesn’t deprive people . . . from their freedom”
Yup, that’s the voice of a Missouri state legislator talking
cx: Yup, that’s the voice of a Missouri state legislator
A couple of errors there. Interesting. First, redundancy. Second, voices don’t talk. People do.
Don’t you hate it when you make grammar and usage errors while correcting a grammar or usage error. LOL. [strikes head with side of hand]
“Don’t you hate it when you make grammar and usage errors while correcting a grammar or usage error. LOL. [strikes head with side of hand]”
Keeps us humble. 🙂
And now on to the next, “Can you believe this is even a thing?” episode. It’s a daily series.
Unfortunately there are many other horrible bills this session. They want to prohibit parents from letting their trans children access relevant medical care. Some families will move out of state if they succeed. Missouri elected officials are also attacking a medical clinic that treats trans children.
!!!!!
The St Louis Post Dispatch newspaper has a story entitled Report on St Louis transgender center could propel measure limiting treatment. Also Annalise Hanshaw has an article in the Missouri Independent news site.
People argue that they have freedom to carry guns. Shouldn’t
the rest of us have the freedom to be in public without fearing gun violence from juveniles?
Not just juveniles but anyone including the police.
It’s crazy here in Missouri. Bizarre on top of bizarre legislation—-or lack there of.
Following the Republicans way of thinking (or lack of) then there are some laws that need to be repealed. Need to repeal the law that require a person to be of a certain age to have a license to drive a car. That is restricting a kids rights. If the kids can reach the gas and brake and see over the steering wheel then let the kid drive. We have laws on books for a voting age. Repeal it. We have age restriction on how old a person must be in order to have a pilots license. If a kid can figure out how to start a private plane then them him/her fly. We have laws about minors drinking alcohol. Repeal these laws. We have child labor laws. Repeal them. There are many, many laws that rightly restrict what children do or cannot do because they have not had the life experiences needed to make the right decisions but apparently Republican across this country to don’t give a damn.
On and on and on…..
Missouri is the “Show Me” state. Well, there crazy legislalors are showing the rest of the United States and the world have damn stupid they can be. Let’s just see if one of Republican legislators has a child who takes a weapon out on the street or into a school kills someone how fast he/she has a change of mind. Let’s just see if one of these mindless spineless Republicans has a family member kills because a minor was carrying a weapon and decides to take his/her anger out on whoever may be standing around at the moment.
Why require that a child must be of a certain height to see over the steering and to reach the gas pedal and brake? Sounds like heightism.
You forgot the egregious discrimination in not allowing minors to buy liquor.
You have the correct line of thinking. Minors do not have the same freedoms as do adults. Frederick Douglass wrote in his 1845 autobiography (chapter one) that the white street urchins who taught him to read were not free, lamenting that they one day would, whereas he would have no rights forever. With freedom comes responsibility.
Note to Former President: Please attend to how to spell Frederick Douglass. Thank you.
Early on in the WaPo comments a traveler advises others: it’s hard to avoid MO when driving cross-country, but if you gas up in KS or IL, you can drive through without stopping.
Anyone who drives through any part of our beautiful country misses out. Get off the interstate and discover that the people live is some beautiful areas, nonwithstanding some attitudes that are hard to understand. Moreover, the people who vote for crazy politicians are not all bad people. They bring food when your dad passes. They pull you out of the ditch. They stop to help you change a tire.
I live in a very republican state, and I can assure you that my neighbors are usually good folks. This is the troubling aspect of the present political situation: Good people are being persuaded that we must use extreme measures to solve the problems of society. Increasingly, people believe that their political opponents are evil.
I prefer to believe that good and evil, as well as indifference, empathy, and a host of other human attributes, dwell in these complex beings called by the name of human. Leadership that refuses to acknowledge the good in humanity creates the evil. Of that type of leadership, we are presently in copious supply.
As usual Sr. Turrentine you’ve hit the nail squarely on the head. But man, I was hoping people would avoid Missouri. . . and as you know, Ray, I live here. It’s just that I’m selfish with our crystal clear spring fed rivers, verdant woods and otherwise beautiful nature areas, and other attractions.
I just don’t understand anyone feeling the need to unethically walk around with a loaded weapon in public. What the hell is wrong with some people? And I include supposedly educated people in that question, like one of my best friends growing up, a next door neighbor, a doc now, who came to our 50 year grade school reunion conceal carrying at the same time wearing a ‘Don’t Tread on Me’ tie. Can you say tRumpster? (Me? I was wearing our old Catholic school uniform of grey pants white collared shirt with a red cross tie-I hated those things-and a red sweater, but then I was the designated master of ceremonies so I wanted to play the part.)
Until we get out of the death grip of the world’s greatest death and destruction machine-the US Military, we’ll continue to see that death and destruction turned back on ourselves in the form of gun violence. And all the talk of controlling guns and by extension gun violence is for naught!
Not really getting the military connection.
American culture is saturated with death and destruction and we’ve exported that all over the world. . . or better said forced it on the world at the end of a gun, whether that gun is in movies, tv programs, or physically speaking. And almost all Americans accept that foreign bullying into submission and cheer it on, ya know the shining city on the hill syndrome.
But i don’t expect Americans to understand that connection as they’ve been brought up to be god fearing pass the ammunition types-especially if they and their families don’t have to be the ones using that ammunition. And that ‘type’ is not limited to the gun nut stereotype but to many supposed liberal and progressive types.
In RED states it is legal to murder someone if you don’t call it murder and claim you feared for your life. These states also have what’s called Right to Work laws that give companies the right to keep labor unions out and keep the cost of labor down to boost profits on the backs of wage slaves.
That kind of insanity seem rampant in Republican controlled RED states.
Letting children carry loaded firearms in public places is the same kind of insanity that was behind Mao’s Cultural Revolution where he let children, known as the Little Red Guard, lead that revolution. Millions of adults died (execution or suicide) after tens of millions of organized Chinese children and teens denounced them without legal trials, without valid evidence, just hereseay. The accused often lost everything, their homes, and/or businesses, destroying their lives, explaining why there were millions of suicides.
Where was China’s army when this often violent revolution encouraged by Mao, the country’s leader, and led by children, was ravaging the country and turning it upside down?
Mao ordered the military to stay on their bases and not get involved.
If you want to learn what that was like, I suggest reading Red Azalea, a New York Times Notable Book of the Year, and a memoir written by one of those children that belonged to Mao’s Little Red Guard. I know Anchee Min well. We were married for more than 15 years and are still friends.
I even programmed her website for her and our daughter plans to take it over soon.
http://www.ancheemin.com/
There is a BIG difference between the MAGA revolution in the US and Mao’s Cultural Revolution. In China, that insanity eventually and mostly benefited the working class.
In the US, the MAGA revolution only benefits the wealthiest 1 percent.
Damn, that’s a scary parallel. Thank you for informing.
A world gone totally mad. Never see me or my family in your juvenile state again.
Is this the same state that enacted a law whereby female legislators cannot bare arms in chambers? If so, I might ask, then why is it okay for children to bear arms?!
None of us should be able to do any of these things since they are not expressly allowed in the Constitution. Should do wonders for the St. Louis economy. Who in their right mind is going to do business or even visit a city where an eight year old might take you out. Tell me that teachers are going to keep teaching in classrooms where their students can come packing.
Somehow I managed to post this well below where I intended.
Good chuckle,retiredbutmissthekids.
Bare arms or bear arms, it’s all semantics! 😉
The bill line up is riddled with “what if” bills – what if a kid reading a book with an LGBTQ theme gets curious about orientation – what if even one teacher hones in on a student for a relationship (as if the book they read or topic would matter) – one white kid could feel guilty after a fact-based lesson on slavery…
They live by the “well, but it could happen” EXCEPT GUNS! They not only don’t care if “it could happen that a kid gets hold of a gun” – it happens and they don’t care.
Missouri has been driving hard to the hoop in the race to be the stupidest, most dangerous state in the Union. Now we have an arms race. I give Florida’s legislature about one week to declare that it’ll yield to no one in killing the most kids first.
Of course, it will be the kids doing the dying.
The Republican Party is a clear and present threat to innocent life. They think that’s a good and patriotic thing.
Well said.
No, Missouri hasn’t “been driving hard to the hoop in the race to be the stupidest, most dangerous state in the Union.”
It’s the Missouri RETHUGLICANS that have been doing that fueled by the regressive xtian fundies urged on by their preachers to vote RETHUG.
They’re in control of your state. Whose fault is that?
The Dimocraps who over time have given up on states like Missouri for the last 30-40 years.
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But there were several good Democrats elected in Missouri. Stuart Symington. Clare McCaskill. Harry S Truman. Where did the Democratic voters go?
Funny. I thought it was the voters.
Yes, there have been good Democrats in/from Missouri. My reference to Dimocraps is the national leadership who have written off Missouri as a ‘red’ flyover state for many years now.
It’s the wild, Wild West out there! What’s next? A cultural revolution, like the one in China, where teens are encouraged to kill intellectuals and liberals?
Given that their legislation read like “manifestos” – maybe not “encouraged” but fear mongering, baiting, and scapegoating
Out there???
Ya mean right here? Come visit us and I show you that it’s not the Wild West, where in reality at the time most would have never thought about carrying a loaded weapon around, another one of those American MYTHS that most people believe.
It’s interesting that I don’t feel safe visiting the large metropolitan areas up east, ya know, NYC, Phil, etc. . . but then I’m a country boy at heart who would never think of carrying a loaded weapon in public. And most of the ethical gun owners here in the Show Me State don’t either.
The fact is, is that this law is a boon to the criminals and meth heads. . . so much for the Rethugs being all ‘law and order’ for us.