Republicans across the country are eying Florida Governor DeSantis as the new Trump, who will lead them to victory in 2024.
Given his hard-right politics, it’s hard to understand the breadth of his victory as similar hardliners across the country were losing.
The Miami Herald wrote:
What forecasters predicted would be a “red wave” did make landfall in Florida on Tuesday night, but it washed over so much of the state that it sent only a “ripple” in races across the country as Democrats had a better-than-expected showing up and down the ballot.
Shortly after polls closed on election night, Ron DeSantis quickly and overwhelmingly won a second term as governor, with a margin of victory that reached nearly 20 percentage points statewide. The Republican governor made gains in each of Florida’s 67 counties, managing to flip eight of the 13 counties he had lost in his first election in 2018.
One of those counties — Miami-Dade — is where DeSantis saw his biggest gain, with a 16-point improvement over his 2018 performance. He also improved by nearly 16 points in Hendry County and by more than 14 points in Osceola County.
Those three counties, not coincidentally, are also the three most Hispanic counties in the state, and DeSantis’ ability to win a larger share of Hispanic voters was a key driver of his remarkable victory. The governor also narrowly won the vote in majority white precincts and more than doubled his vote share in majority Black precincts, capturing more than 16% of the vote in those areas.
DeSantis’ decisive victory, contrasted with Republicans’ lackluster performance elsewhere in the country, have become fodder for conservatives, who are increasingly wondering if DeSantis may make a more effective party leader than former President Donald Trump.
- ☝️ You can watch highlights from DeSantis’ victory speech at our TikTok.
Trump hasn’t enjoyed seeing GOP elected officials and conservative media question his grip over the party….
As DeSantis works to raise his influence at the national level, back in Florida, he is likely to double down on his conservative policy agenda. Republican legislative leaders have signaled they intend to keep moving Florida forward under his vision, including whether to further restrict access to abortion.
Why was abortion a crucial issue in other states, but not in Florida? Why did usually Democratic districts turn red?

We may have to start paying attention to this Bob Shepherd character. He’s been warning us about this guy for quite some time. It’s probably time to start paying attention to Bob’s ravings about this individual.
It seems clear that the Idiot’s days as a leader of his party are numbered, but not his impact or legacy. The current governor of Florida is ready to assume the mantle, provide some organization to give legislative and administrative muscle to toxic, contrived issues, and intensify the rhetorical venom.
And it’s not just political reasons the landslide was so great. It’s that his opponent was a well-qualified, accomplished, and sincere Black woman. There’s a large part of the Florida and national electorate who would never, ever allow someone like that to prove themselves as public servants. The reason they will never let progressive ideas even be tried is because they know there’s a good likelihood that people will see how these policies actually address real public issues.
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Beware of the possibility that Bob is correct. My cousins down there bemoan the radicalization of their native Florida. They grew up there during the 60s when we though they were liberal. Now their liberalism sounds like off the charts radicalism. Back in those days, the retirement to Florida had not begun. Soon churches that my traditionalist cousins called “Six Flags over Jesus” began to spring up in a changing social landscape that paired people who were retiring with migrants and poor residents that worked in the citrus industry. Florida is a strange mixture of people who love their environment paired with people who do not care about it.
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The average Flor-uh-duh megachurch is the size of a small European country and located across a swamp from a strip club of equivalent size.
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Evangelical Christianity is all about being forgiven today for what you did last night.
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“Christ Forgives”
“Christ forgives”, the sinner’s dream
Great escape for every scheme
Alcatraz can not contain
Evangelist with that refrain
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Ask Forgiveness
Ask for forgiveness
And ye shall receive
For criminal business
And acts to deceive
For cheating and lying
And sex with a sheep
And life after dying
Forgiveness is cheap
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https://slate.com/human-interest/2018/01/andy-savage-and-the-evangelical-culture-of-forgiveness.html
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Christian Belief
As long as you’re Christian
Forgiven you’ll be
But heretics, listen:
It’s Hellfire for thee
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Greg B,
Before you post comments it’s best to have your facts straight and not rely on ideological predispositions. The opponent for Ron DeSantis was Charlie Crist, a very white man. The Black woman you refer to is Val Demings, the Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate who lost by over 16 percentage points to Marco Rubio. Sen. Rubio is Cuban-American (i.e. Hispanic), so your attempted slander of white Republican voters falls flat.
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You are correct. I got candidates mixed up. And it’s not a slander of white Republicans. The point in the Senate race is that it’s an accurate portrayal of a certain percentage of voting Republicans, likely a much larger percentage than anyone would dare to say out loud, even though they should. They would never vote for a Black person or woman under any circumstances. That’s just a fact. And don’t come to me with Hershel Walker. He’s their tool only.
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I fully expect Ron DeSantis to be sworn in as president in 2025.
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I do too, but reading your thoughts doesn’t give me the glimmer of false hope I was expecting. Just looking at it from a technical point of view, all of the South with the possible exception of Virginia–and that too will be a stretch–will be solidly DeSantis. Florida will not be a battleground and lack of Democratic investment portends a real wipeout in House and state legislature races. He will make arrogant lying and bigotry fashionable in many parts of the country. He puts New York into play for Republicans. And his destructive rhetoric will a p.r. hack’s dream because of its clarity and simplicity. Bound to appeal to anyone who pines for the return of Hee-Haw with a much harder, crueler, meaner edge.
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The Swearing In
I will be swearing
When Ron is sworn in
And also be tearing
My hair from my skin
I will be swearing
At Ron and at God
Cuz God is uncaring
If God gives the nod
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Ha! The old argument from evil. The area of philosophy that deals with the problem of how there could be such evil in the world given the supposed goodness and omnipotence of the Guy in the Sky is called Theodicy after the one of the many incomprehensible books by Leibniz, which dealt with this subject. Here’s my contribution to this, which I put forward simply to show that even a nonbeliever in religious fairytales can play this theology game, which is not that difficult. Leibniz, as you know, was one of the simultaneous creators of the Calculus, and so it is surprising that he should be the source of the eponymous work on this topic and familiar with Calculus and yet missed the best argument he could have put forward, one staring him in the face: If souls are infinite, then any finite amount of suffering that they experience is, in comparison to that infinity, essentially zero.
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This “solution” to “the problem of evil” is, of course, fallacious, like other arguments in theology. In this case, the fallacy is that it begins with an unwarranted and unproven premise. It’s not quite as bad as like saying, “If round squares or tasty, . . . ,” but it’s close.
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There is no inconsistency in my stance, since I don’t have to deal with the problem of how a beneficent God could allow evil.
As far as I am concerned, any God that allows Hitler, Stalin and others to do their dastardly deeds is not beneficent (even if not actually evil Herself), which effectively renders Leibniz argument moot.
And are you sure it’s not spelled theidiocy ?
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Agreed, SomeDAM!
As Wallace Stevens put it, “Theology after breakfast sticks to the eye.”
In other words, casual practice of this nonsense renders one blind.
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And, ofc, Garland can breathe a sigh of relief after The Idiot’s announcement this evening. And then he can turn over in bed and go back to sleep.
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Shut up and Calculate
Leibniz was a whiz
In calculus, it’s true
But in religious biz
He didn’t have a clue
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If Garland does anything, he will appoint a special prosecutor, effectively kicking the can down the road for someone else to deal with.
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Wait–“It’s that his opponent was a well-qualified, accomplished & sincere Black woman.” DeINSANEtis’ opponent was Charlie Crist. You’re thinking of, I think, the Val Demings-Marco Rubio contest.
Anyway, point is: Florida should be renamed DeINSANETISville.
Except for Orlando, & the great win by Maxwell Frost, first Gen Zer in the House. Brought to us by the youth vote & hard work of Maxwell, David Hogg & March for Our Lives.
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I’m sorry– my 10:06 PM comment was meant as a reply to your 11:14 AM comment, Greg, & it’s far down below, in the wrong place.
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Actually, it’s above. Oh Word Press, you devil!
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“Why was abortion a crucial issue in other states, but not in Florida? ”
Fewer 18-25 year olds?
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I think it’s because Floridians are made of tougher stock. That’s why we have to let states decide on this issue. If you’re pregnant in Florida, rules letting heathens in other states kill their babies do not apply! At least, that’s the only “logic” I can infer. 🙄
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The abortion ban in Florida is after fifteen weeks instead of six weeks or at conception as in some other states. At least women know they are pregnant before it is too late.
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I know what you’re writing and agree. But in reading your comment, it strikes me that the premature celebration of vote we are seeing now falls under the “at least (some) know” category. This cannot become our measure of success.
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DeSantis has said very little about abortion .
I suspect he will not express his true stance until he is President at which point it will be too late.
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SDP: That’s now known as the Alito Doctrine.
To paraphrase Jack Nicholson’s Joker: Wait’ll they get a load of me when I’m on office!
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It won’t be just 15 weeks for long…
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/11/incoming-senate-leader-supports-12-week-abortion-ban-while-house-stays-quiet-00066549
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Flor-uh-duh is VERY fundamentalist Christian and not educated. It is also the nation’s playground. And it has a lot of feral teenagers. And a lot of drugs coming in from across the water. And a lot of spring breakers. And a lot of “modeling” agencies. And a lot of strip clubs. And big industries in porn and prostitution. So, a lot of vice. I think that there is a legal requirement for young people to do three years’ service working in a strip club or gun and pawn shop. So, there is a lot of unwanted pregnancy here, and just about every family has been affected, and a whole lot of folks have had abortions or have family members who have had abortions. So, this is a subject that many would rather not talk about. They don’t approve, but they don’t want it illegal either because their girlfriend or sister or daughter or granddaughter had an abortion fairly recently and they were glad that she could, whatever the pastor and the politician say about this.
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SOOO very true, Bob. A friend of mine ran for District 2 Collier County Commissioner. Both she & others who ran in other C.C. Districts (maybe just #4, but there should be a 3–?) lost to very right-wing, Christian opponents who, in their campaign statements, boldly & proudly ID’ed themselves as such. They were funded/supported by the also very right-wing, fundamentalist wealthy agricultural enterpreneur/farmer/business Alfie Oakes. Any reader here who looks him up (& Collier County races) will be sickened.
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Yes, & a # of charter “schools” in strip malls where these strip clubs & gun, pawn & porn shops are located.
&, of course DeINSANEtis won’t say anything about/present himself as anti-abortion. & of course, if elected (G-d forbid!!!) we’d hear it: no.abortions.period.no.rape.incest.danger.to.mother.exceptions.
He’s crazy like a fox; he’s not stupid. The anti-abortion stance was why a lot of the nut case redsters lost. Like Kansas, women & young people showed up.
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My standing joke is that Bob n Darlene’s Real Good Flor-uh-duh Charter School is located where the old K-mart used to be, right next to Wild Wurnos’s Adult Novelties and across the street from Bob’s Gun and Pawn. Whar we teech toddlers to tote.
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Yeah, DeSantis has been mostly quiet about this. He’s smarter than the average Pug.
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Florida is No. 3 for abortions.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/11/incoming-senate-leader-supports-12-week-abortion-ban-while-house-stays-quiet-00066549
I think it is a mater of poor voter turnout. All those abortions can’t be tourists on a “trip” to WDW or the beach.
But see my post about how Florida votes blue when the ISSUES are point on the ballot but then votes red when it comes to the PEOPLE they put into office.
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There are a LOT of uneducated young people in Flor-uh-duh, and they have a lot of unwanted pregnancies and a lot of abortions, and they have aunts and uncles and moms and dads and brothers and sisters and boyfriends and girlfriends who BECAUSE OF PERSONAL EXPERIENCE would not want to do away with that means for dealing with the unwanted pregnancies.
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So, does their view on abortion conflict with their Christian fundamentalist nationalism? Well, yes. But these are not exactly deep thinkers with consistent ideologies. They know they love god, guns, and ‘merca and Don and Ron, and that’s about the extent to which they think things through. They don’t want to do away with abortion because what would Cousin Sue or Sister Darlene, who got knocked up at 17, have done without that option?
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But No. 2 in our hearts.
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Desantis’ rhetoric is targeted and specific. Unlike the EXpresident who wants to bully, blame, and be in the spotlight, DeSantis talks about issues and knows what he is talking about (not right or wrong, but knows the topic).
He wins over “regular” conservatives, conservative parents or feeling dismissed parents, and actually smart people who hated mask mandates and forced vaccines
He talks specifically about Civics Curriculum and Parents’ Right to Transparency (both of which already exist but he stretches it to protect kids from liberal propaganda)
He talks specifically about LGBTQ issues and how teachers cannot talk about LGBTQ issues. “Don’t say gay”
He talks a big game about 2nd Amendment rights but not an extremist outrage approach.
The guy is not trying to win people over because of election fixes, storming the Capitol, and ranting over laws he knows he broke (exPresident), he is winning over conservatives, the Archie Bunkers, the anti-liberals who actually want anti-liberal legislation on things.
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Excellent analysis! And that is why he is a lot more dangerous, politically speaking, than the tRump.
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He is Trump with organizational skills.
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He is smarter than Trump but probably more willing to use government to impose his will and whims on everyone
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Exactly as Diane says. Trump is a Fascist not out of ideology but by default. It just happens that Fascism is the only political ideology compatible with Trump’s extreme malignant narcissism and antisocial personality disorder (in particular, psychopathy). DeSantis is different. He is a true Fascist, an ideological Fascist. I look at him and think that the closest parallel I know, politically, would be Pinochet. His first inclination is to use the penal system against those who disagree with him the slightest bit on anything–create a new police force for exerting state violence and new laws enabling such violence.
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DeSantis is far, far more educated and intelligent than Trump was or is. We were fortunate, very fortunate indeed, that Trump was so ignorant and incompetent–that he had no clue how anything worked, that he could not organize or plan or think anything through or attend to any task for an extended period of time. DeSantis does not suffer from these cogitative deficits that are so obvious in the Marmalade Moron. He’s a whole other level of frightening.
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cognitive and cogitative
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Trump was running game. Translation: He was saying whatever he needed to say to the base to get them excited but may not actually believe his own words. COVID, especially the vaccines, are an example. He played to Christian nationalists without being much of a professing Christian of any variety himself. Trump would talk trash to the media but in my memory didn’t do much to them.
DeSantis actually BELIEVES this stuff. He hired an anti-vaxx surgeon general, didn’t allow localities and school districts to impose mitigations, is all in on the nationalist wing of Christianity, will have press conferences where only certain press are invited, will kick people out of conferences that challenge him, etc.
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Remember when the pictures were taken in the Offal Office of the Evangelists doing the “laying on of hands” and group prayer over Donald Trump? Michael Cohen reports that after they left, Trump said, “Can you believe that bullshit?” And this is one of many, many hundreds of times when Trump, in private, made fun of evangelicals and fundamentalists, including Pence.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-secretly-mocks-his-christian-supporters/616522/
Trump is not a religious guy. He worships only Trump and Mammon. But he’s a con man, and he has the Bible thumpers well conned.
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After the laying of the hands, Trump said, “Can you believe that bullshit?”
No
And it might be the only position Trump took that I agree with.
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It’s not just the laying of the hands that is unbelievable.
But actually believing that laying them on Trump will make a difference?
Good Lard. That’s dumber than a tub of lard.
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Which is even dumber than Trump.
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Maybe DeSantis’s politics of cruelty just appealed to the majority of voters there. It can’t be because Marco Rubio has any charisma. Well, it’ll be blue soon, when it’s underwater. And RD and the apricot menace both live in Florida now, so they can drive each other crazy. It would be interesting to see how many young people voted. Florida is paradise for geriatrics (until the condo collapses). I noticed Rick Scott shut up about about his plan to destroy Social Security, so that might have helped.
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It may seem counterintuitive, but DeSantis’ sending migrants to Martha’s Vineyard apparently had no impact on the Hispanic vote (which is actually made up of many different groups)
In fact, it might actually have increased his support among some groups, since historically, one immigrant group has sometimes celebrated attacks on other immigrant groups.
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Don’t forget the disdain some immigrants have for others: “I came here legally.” An unlike many groups, Cubans were welcomed.
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Ms. Watter, as I am sure you know, the Pugs still have their eye on Social Security and Medicare. These will be the first on the chopping block once they seize power. So, they might have shut up about it, but as always, they haven’t forgotten. It’s high, high, high on their wish list.
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“Why was abortion a crucial issue in other states, but not in Florida? Why did usually Democratic districts turn red?”
Forgive my sharp language, but the reason that you don’t know the answers to these questions is that you rarely if ever access information from non-Left outlets that don’t always confirm what you already believe; this statement applies to almost all of the regular commenters here and likely almost all of this blog’s readers.
In April, 2022 Gov. DeSantis signed into law legislation banning most abortions after 15 weeks. Data from Florida show that 97% of abortions performed there in 2020 occurred in the first 12 weeks. DeSantis and other top Republicans in Florida refused to talk about abortion after that new law was passed. The bottom line: on election day 2022, abortion was not a salient issue in Florida. That may change in future elections if elected Republicans overreach and try to ban almost all first trimester abortions as has happened in other states.
Many usually Democratic districts turned red because DeSantis projected an image – and a reality – of being competent at his job, whether you agree with him or not. He was universally praised for his leadership following Hurricane Ian. Critical infrastructure was rebuilt far sooner than expected after DeSantis made that a top priority. Most important – and the biggest contrasts with Trump – DeSantis is disciplined, he stays on message (no idiotic Tweeting), he is very smart and articulate, and he makes the effort to be well-informed about public policy matters. It also helps that he has a very photogenic wife and children (think JFK and Barack Obama – the family’s public image is a political asset).
This blog and others on the far Left will demonize DeSantis, but most other people won’t evaluate him that way, even those who won’t vote for him. The only obstacle between him and the White House is – to borrow from a conservative pundit – the Witless Ape in Mar-a-Lago.
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You are on to something about his perceived competence and authority. He appeals to an authoritarian mentality that doesn’t understand DeSantis’ subtext of his messaging: xenophobia, sexism and intolerance for individual differences. He doesn’t respect democracy. If he did he would try to suppress the vote so much or disregard sunshine laws. He has skeletons in his closet, that in the hands of the right spin doctor, could alter his “strong man” persona.
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Trump implies he has embarrassing information on DeSantis, although, after all the stuff Trump has done and still gotten votes , it’s hard to imagine just what DeSantis might have done (short of actual murder) that would make Republicans not vote for him.
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DeSantis demonizes himself with his own words. His attacks on and libels against the public schools are appalling and over the top. His use of the made-up term, woke, is used to foster hate and fear of his false version of the left and liberals. He’s a Republican, he wants to kill off Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid and any social programs that help the less well off. Being a GOPer, I’m sure his first acts as president, (I hope not), would be to CUT TAXES ON THE RICH, privatize the schools, defund the social programs, try to create a nation-wide ban on abortions, etc., ad nauseam. However, it is true that he’s young, has a very photogenic family and mouths all the right wing garbage with conviction.
And it’s because of people like RD that we will never have true universal health care. Quite the opposite.
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The term “woke” has changed meaning over the last few years. It originated among African-American intellectuals to describe becoming “aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)”, from the Merriam-Webster dictionary. That was a neutral term that could apply to anyone – including conservatives – who were fair-minded and open to historical evidence.
But as language often does, that term has changed meaning over the last few years to describe sanctimonious people on the Left who attribute very evil in society to racism or other matters of identity politics, who try to silence or even ruin the reputations of anyone who disagrees with them. This definition of woke is most often used by conservatives, but Barack Obama has several times warned liberals to not act “so woke”. Likewise for Bill Maher and some other principled liberals.
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Bill Kennedy,
What is the opposite of “woke”? Asleep? Indifferent?
I use “woke” in the original sense: woke to bias, inequity, racism, injustice. I don’t let DeSantis or any other bullies redefine my lannguage.
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The right has been very successful had co-opting language to serve their purpose. You demonstrate it very clearly, BK, in how you describe “sanctimonious people on the Left.” I applaud your careful wording as to not include all people with a more liberal bent as then you would be demonstrating exactly what the right says the Left is doing. I myself am hoping that those people of any political persuasion who have any interest in serving all the people begin working together. Time for an end to toddler tantrums.
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Obviously, I was referring to the current right wing abuse of the term woke, DeSantis being one of the bigger and more notorious abusers of woke/wokeism/wokery. It’s a red herring, a straw man, an oratorical gimmick to paint liberals and progressives as horrible monsters. Looks like it’s working in FL. The GOP just keeps screaming WOKE and SOCIALIST and many people are buying into this baloney. So I guess all the seniors in FL are ready and willing to give up their Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid because supporting those programs is being woke.
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The latest “wokeness” is in the GOP and people who are owning up to the demonization of their party and country by the exPresident.
Election deniers lost Sec of State election. There was no red wave and a few bold “flipped to Democrats” races.
Governing on the coattails of evil and vileness may be quelled for a while. Answering every question with “those liberals” may not matter.
Can’t resist – “Woke GOP-deniers” (with Pence being the #1 Backpeddler) will have to know somewhat what they’re talking about on issues and folks paying attention to those answers may not fly in State houses or 2024.
Desantis “don’t say gay” and his version of “civics” curriculum works in Florida, but not everywhere.
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DeSantis is a propagandist that uses language as red meat for his base. Calling teachers groomers was one of the worst terms that even most of his base thought was a bridge too far. He is deliberately provocative to stir up disdain for whatever group he is targeting. This country does not need more divisive leadership. We need to heal from #45’s disastrous wreckage.
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The GOP intellectuals love DeSantis. In a departure from decades of anti-government ideology, the preponderance of conservative elites in the DeSantis camp demand stronger, punishing government measures — what Trump has called iron-fisted rule — as the only way to defund left – leaning institutions and humiliate Democrats.
DeSantis is a smart politician who targets his enemies with dead-on precision. His rhetoric echos Trump’s odious policies on immigration, cutting education funds, threatening teachers, open carry gun laws, defunding public services, strong policing, anti-LGBTQ & transphobia, and cutting corporate taxes. Though he doesn’t present as crude & sexist like Trump, he uses the power of his government to destroy people’s rights & neutralize public institutions.
Cases in point: DeSantis signed a law that pulls funding from universities that “indoctrinate” students in anti-racism theory. Deploys far right buzzword “regime media” to target the reporters who question him. Propagated a nutty conspiracy theory that the media wanted Hurricane Ian to destroy FL to advance their left agenda.
Jonathan Chait makes an astonishing observation when he pointed out that DeSantis uses Hungarian dictator Viktor Orbán’s regime as an inspiration. (An Orbán spokesperson pointed to DeSantis’s government as affirmation of the Hungarian leader’s actions.) DeSantis is not part of a personality cult, like Trump, but is building semi-fascist systems in FL that will stay in place for years.
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DeSantis is many times more dangerous than Trump.
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GOP intellectuals? Sounds like fat-free lard to me.
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Lard is That
I never knew the Lard was fat
Good Lard, I never heard of that
I always thought the Lard was thin
To call Him fat is just a sin
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GOP intellectual: a member of the Republican party who can spell GOP
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Given Trump’s connection with his handler, Vladimir, and with Russian intelligence, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he has something on a bunch of people–basically, anything the Russians know. But have you noticed DeSantis’s deafening silence on the subject of Ukraine? Hmmmm. Reminds me of a joke.
Bad Bart was shot and lying there on Main Street, his life blood seeping out of him. Padre Wilkins came and knelt over him and said,
“Bad Bart, I guess you know, your light is going out.”
“Yes, Padre, I know,” said Bad Bart. “I know my light is going out.”
“I guess you know,” said the Padre, “that your curtain’s coming down.”
“Yes, I know that my curtain’s coming down.”
“Well, then,” said the Padre. “Are you now ready to renounce the Devil?”
“Listen, Padre,” said Bad Bart. “At a time like this, I don’t want to antagonize anybody.”
So close to the 2024 election, perhaps Rhonda Santis doesn’t want to antagonize folks who can muster all those assists on Social Media.
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this blog on the far left
haaaaaaaa. omg. that’s good. Tell us another one.
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The Cuban population embraces conservatives and the church. Catholic Church that is. They also do not like change offered by progressive lines
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I think Dangerously Deranged DeSantis gained traction after the Hurricane decimated areas of Florida, because he took advantage of that situation to promote himself as a leader that cares about his people.
Also, I think the Cuban population in Florida had something to do with that. When Castro won the revolution/civil war in Cuba against the brutal dictator and gangsters that ruled that island kingdom, many if not all of the refugees fled because they supported Batista. Imagine what Traitor Trump’s supporters would do if the US governmental cracked down on them because they supported the traitor. Would they flea, too, if they feared reprisals for supporting the traitor? While Democrats might not crack down on the MAGA RINOs like that, if traditional Republicans regained the power in all three branches of the government, they might.
“Prior to the Communist revolution, Cuba was ruled under the elected government of Fulgencio Batista from 1940 to 1944. Throughout this time period, Batista’s support base consisted mainly of corrupt politicians and military officials.”
The tragedy of Cuba is also partially the fault of the US support of dictators like Batista (at that time – I hope that era is over, although I doubt it). Castro came to the US first for help to overthrow Batista’s dictatorship and when the US rejected him, he turned to Russia for help. Interesting to note that Mao and Ho Chi Ming also approached the US first for help during their civil wars and were rejected by the US, so both Mao (a nationalist and not a hard core Communist at the time), and Ho Chi Ming also turned to Russia for help.
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Wrong “flea”
Should have been FLEE.
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I never wrote it anywhere that I remember, but one worry in the back of my head for the last year was that Dems could gain some traction only for FL to get a big storm in 2022. With the extra amount of news watching that people do during major events, DeSantis would be on TV non-stop “looking good,” increasing his favorability with on-the-fence voters.
Hurricane Ian was the first time in a LONG time that I spent an inordinate amount of time watching live TV outside of a sporting event. And there were ads, ads, ads, ads, and ads from FL Republicans with almost no counterbalancing from Democrats.
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“Why was abortion a crucial issue in other states, but not in Florida?”
Retirees don’t need abortions!
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Flor-uh-duh is a deeply red state, but most Floridians support the right to abortion. Why? Well, like every state that is poorly educated, it has a lot of unwanted pregnancies. Most families in the state are affected, and many, many, many of them have turned to abortion to deal with this issue.
Florida has far more people 24 or younger than it does 65 and up. Lots and lots of young people here, making babies at early ages.
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your logic is not so impeccable in the second paragraph.
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Many Democrats worked hard at the local level to get Democrats elected at both the State and locally, but we got little support from the State Democratic Party. Communication was not directed at the groups whose support was essential. Republican misinformation wasn’t challenged—for instance the crime rate, and no attempt was made to counteract the ‘socialism’ label prevalent in Hispanic communities. Lack of sufficient funding made for an uneven playing field. So many opportunities were missed. The worst aspect of the Republican’s massive win here is that it provides the vehicle for DeSantis—the most dangerous person in the country—to supercharge his run for the presidency.
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One problem that I saw left-leaning people make, particularly on Twitter, was trying to find some big gotcha scandal with DeSantis. Most, if not all would end up being nothing. For example, one reporter put up a story in a major outlet claiming that DeSantis had dinner with Justice Thomas the night before the Roe decision. It ended up being that the dinner was on June X, 2021 and the ruling was on June X+1, 2022. (Too lazy right now to look up the exact dates.) The reporter was embarrassed and apologized profusely, but that was a wasted effort.
There were enough POLICY things to attack, but they wanted a gotcha scandal. And Pushaw, Redfern, and their Twitter army were there to push back on these not so big “scandals.”
Meanwhile, there are stories being published now saying that FL Republicans will explore a 6 week and/or total abortion ban in the next session.
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If none of the stuff Trump did affected whether people voted for him, there is very little chance that anything DeSantis did will either. These folks — many of them Christian churchgoers — simply don’t care (about pu**y grabbing, having sex with porn stars, trying to overthrow the US government, evading taxes, cheating business contractors, stealing classified documents or anything else)
As I indicated above, probably the only thing that would make a Republican not vote for DeSantis would be if he had killed someone.
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Having fascist tendencies is not a problem for DeSantis?
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Although most Republicans would never admit they were “fascist” tendencies, DeSantis’ authoritarian tendencies just make him more popular with Republicans.
George Lakoff has studied this and has written extensively about it.
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Florida is heavily Gerrymandered, and DeSatan had a hand in that. Friends in Florida pointed out that the democrats efforts to support Crist were lackluster at best. DeSatan is nothing more than a trump clone, a trump 2.0 who for now copies his mannerisms and style, a thing trump himself has complained about. He is more articulate and does have some skill at government work, but at the end of the day is essentially the same candidate trump was. He also has at least as many authoritarian skeletons in his closet as trump does and they are just as foul. He is also a more skillful liar than trump is. He is definitely a danger to the nation.
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I read that it was gerrymandered. So was New York, with dire consequences for the Dems.
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Considering that a Politico article said that Florida was No. 3 for abortions, I’m confused too. All those abortions can’t be tourists. But Florida has a habit of voting on the liberal side when issues are put on the ballet, but then sending conservative politicians to office. Floridians have voted for smaller class sizes, increasing their property and/or sales taxes on the county level for TRADITIONAL public schools, restoring the voting rights of felons, $15 minimum wage, etc. Yet they send Republicans to the legislature and Rick Scott, and DeSantis to the governor’s mansion in Tallahassee where they will do whatever they can to dismantle the provisions of those voting referendums.
While Orange County (Orlando) is a “safe” blue county, RENT STABILIZATION/CONTROL outperformed Charlie Crist AND Val Demings. That means DeSantis/Rubio voters voted IN FAVOR of a policy that conservatives typically cite as a reason for high rents in NYC, SF, etc. But wait, an unelected judge said the county can’t certify those votes..so whatever.
If Democrats lose the house, it will be because DeSantis gerrymandered Florida. The legislature, who has typically given DeSantis everything he wants, made minute changes, virtually keeping congressional districts the same. DeSantis didn’t like it and made his own, eliminating a few Democrat and mostly Black districts.
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See my notes, above, which explain why the majority of Floridians are pro-choice, despite being fundamentalist Christian.
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Compare Abbott: his 11% victory over O’Rourke is decisive; not considered “startling.” But consider: tho DeSantis’s 20% win is huge, it’s “startling” only because he barely squeaked in with just under 1/2% in 2018.
Abbott won in 2018 by 13%. That he only dropped by 2% could be considered equally startling. During his term, the TX electricity grid was shown to be grossly deficient in a Feb 2021 cold snap that killed at least 246 [more likely 700-800 per later studies] of those left for days without heat, water, or electricity. [Perhaps voters let him off the hook?: the TX grid is a product of state decisions made long before Abbott’s admin…]
His “Operation Lone Star” launched in March 2021 defies description. Soldiers housed in cramped converted RV’s & semi-trucks, shortage of winter uniforms, medical eqpt & portapotties, featured mulitiple suicides & suicide attempts. Add in Abbott’s April 2022 dictate that literally halted $12million in daily produce import from Mexico for days on end for additional ‘state inspections,’ resulting in spoiled cargoes and uniform border gridlock.
Then there was Uvalde in May 2022: 19 children & 2 teachers killed just 8 mos after TX further relaxed their already lax gun laws.
And Abbott & DeSantis were dueling banjos during the whole 4 yrs: first, who could ignore CDC covid protocols more, reopen faster, then each one-upping the other in legislative sallies against this & that invented moral-panicky pubsch mandates. Abbott is way ahead of DeSantis on abortion restrictions: stay tuned.
That DeS is considered a prez candidate go-to over Abbott is probably due only to youth and lack of wheelchair.
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I feel sorry for Beto. I think he could be a good leader and political star, but unfortunately he has star quality and no galaxy.
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I’ve given up on chat shows, but a friend who knows of my feelings these days sent me this. Gotta admit, the discussion brings out many of the reasons why I believe any celebrating is far too early:
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Exactly. Trump just made it “OK” in much of the country to say out loud the stuff the Pugs used to say only quietly, among themselves. This is who they are. They are racist, homophobic, sexist, nationalistic, fascist, and fundamentalist. They are nostalgic for an America in which white men ruled, in which girls were girls and men were men. DeSantis is the man of the moment. He is the sort who will not hesitate for a moment to use naked state violence to enforce the power of a ruling minority.
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who will not hesitate for a moment to use naked state violence to enforce the power and will of a wealthy, ruling minority while talking about freedom.
Freedom to think as Glorious Leader thinks. Freedom to be swept up in the will of the mob. Where is Leni Riefenstahl to film this?
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Sending in the heavily armed SWAT team to point guns at former Florida state COVID data scientist Rebekah Jones and her children is the way DeSantis will deal with anyone who disagrees with him.
Only when he becomes President, he will employ the full power of the US government to harass , arrest and imprison his political opponents, instead of the power of a banana Republic like Florida.
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The first bill he signed into law as governor allowed local authorities to declare any assembly of three or more persons a riot (a clear violation of the freedom of assembly) and did away with people’s right to bring a civil action if they or a relative is run over by a car when participating in a protest in a street. Sickening. That was his response to BLM.
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Bob,
You did a great job of cataloguing Trump’s overreaching.
Could you do the same for DeSantis so readers would understand the full range of his megalomania. From MAGA to mega.
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I shall work on that, Diane.
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And yeah, that story, the story of Rebekah Jones, is truly chilling. A little taste of things to come.
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He is still going after her, even though she was deemed a whistleblower by state law.
My guess is that when she has her day in court, the jury is going to acquit her of all charges at which point DeSantis will fly into a fit of rage, which is what cowardly leaders of Banana Republics like Florida do when they don’t get their way.
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This is so good, Greg. Sharing it.
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Really worth watching, thanks Greg. I stopped watching MSNBC [& CNN] a long time ago precisely because of the stridency of Joy Reid & too many others– she has aged well. Nuanced and perspicacious.
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Thanks. Recently I had a conversation with a friend I hadn’t seen in a while who was gobsmacked that I didn’t have an answer for, “Do you watch CNN, MSNBC or Fox?”, and answered instead, “I read about issues, think, and think again.”
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The sheer number of Tea Partiers in Congress is startling: about 10%, many with max public attention like Cruz, Rubio, Scalise, Gohmert, Blackburn, both Scotts, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Ron Johnson, Gaetz, Cawthorn, Jordan, Brooks. Not to mention present [DeSantis, Pence, Bevin, Dan Patrick, Ken Paxton] and recent [Jeff Sessions, Mick Mulvaney, Mark Meadows, Michelle Bachmann] players.
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Madison Cawthorn is gone. I have the sense that the rest of the party decided to get rid of him after he said that he attended orgies on Capitol Hill with his GOP friends.
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Madison is gone after he spilled the beans about the parties on Capitol Hill.
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I am doing all I can to curb the many juvenile jokes “spilling the beans about the parties”. Curses!
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There are a great many U.S. politicians who have been compromised by Russian intelligence. My reading. The most reasonable explanation for a whole lotta 180s.
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I love the Christmas tree ornament with Epstein’s picture on it that reads, “This ornament didn’t hang itself.” That he was murdered in jail and that not a single person who could name a single public official or industry bigwig was invited to testify at Gislaine Maxwell’s trial, that all the photographic and videographic blackmail material compiled by Epstein over the years has disappeared, these are the hints (well, a lot more obvious than hints) that the corruption in our government is enormous. Every once in a while, the public gets a glimpse of the Trimalchio’s Feast that is life among bigwigs in the U.S.
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Kind of off topic, but how nutty and sinister has Tulsi Gabbard become? Maybe she drank from the same canteen as Mike Flynn when they were in the military (I hesitate to used the term “served.”)
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People think of Florida, and what comes to mind is some old guy wading into the surf in his Bermuda shorts and raising a cocktail to his own setting sun. But Florida has enormous numbers of extraordinarily uneducated young people working minimum-wage service industry jobs and spending their off hours getting high and making boom boom. You know, cheap, readily available entertainments. And so, there are lots and lots of abortions here. And though it is a conservative state, it is also this place-where=poor=people=party aspect to the place, and none of those party folk and almost none of their relatives, however fundy and trumpy they might be, want them to carry to term the unwanted pregnancies that come with the lives they lead. There’s a working-class practicality to this.
So, recently, I have having dinner at a resort here in Florida with a friend who is a journalist from Canada. The waiter commented on my friend’s accent and asked where he was from.
“I’m from Canada,” he said.
The waiter nodded her head, blew aside a strand of blonde hair that had fallen into her face, and said, “That’s one of the states up North, right?”
That’s Flor-uh-duh in a nutshell.
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CX: and though it is a conservative state, there is also this place-where-poor-people-party aspect to the place,
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Good story, Bob, but also bad…so sad that there are such ignorant people in the U.S. But, then, we have to know that, right, looking at the way elections have gone/the way people act (Waaay too close for my level of comfort, so agree w/Greg B. up there @ 11:18 PM.
&, w/(NO!) respect to the Tea Party: w/80% of the votes counted, Sarah Palin is losing in AK (House, At Large) to Dem Mary Peltola, who has 47.3%/Sarah Palin–26.6%/Nick Beglich-24.2% (also Rep.) & Chris Bye (Libertarian) 1.7%/Write-ins–0.3%
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cx: I was having dinner
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And here I thought everyone knew Canada was the tropical state where everyone goes to get laid by hula girls in grass skirts.
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This is the most depressing thread I’ve read in a great while.
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This past summer Rick Wilson of the Lincoln Project stated on Amanpour that the Democratic Party in FLA is a mess. This is also true in other red states where the DNC is simply unwilling to spend time building a meaningful constituency. While one party rule is rife in the Deep South, with the exception of Georgia, Democratic parties wallow in disparity, and in some cases, self serving corruption, i.e. Alabama. Crist was not the candidate for the moment. He represents an elite perspective that has been thoroughly rejected by Republicans and Democrats. The one lesson that Democrats should learn from Younkin’s victory in Virginia last year and Desantis’ win in FLA is that the electorate is done with the same tired politics of the past forty years. New blood is desperately needed in Democratic leadership and a dedication to precise and thorough political organization is required.
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I have written in the past that the Ohio Democratic Party seems to be a farm club for the Republican Party. Since I have lived here, Dems have lost race after race in large part because they either choose ridiculous candidates or give absolutely no support of any kind for good ones. Recently Al Franken had David Pepper, a rich kid heir who did as much as anyone to kill the party when he was head of the state party. Couldn’t believe it. When I was in college, I was given the head of the College Republicans by virtue of being an Anderson supporter when he was Republican. I never convened a meeting and let the organization die, only to have it resurrected after I graduated. I didn’t realize I was setting a precedent for so many in Dem Party leadership.
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there is a black guy elected governor in Maryland. He reveal what an idiot DeSantis is if the democrats nominate him. Biden is not bad….but his age will be an increasing problem.
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there is a black guy elected governor in Maryland. He would reveal what an idiot DeSantis is, if the democrats nominate him. Biden is not bad….but his age will be a problem—-I think he will realize that, and not run for a second term.
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The national Democratic Party will probably back Kamala Harris, who will lose even more dramatically than did Hillary Clinton. This seems so predictable given the past actions of the party, which seems not to learn from shooting itself in the foot. The problem comes back to money: the national party supports “moderates” (DINOs) because it cares more about where the money is coming from than about galvanizing support in the electorate with a progressive message. Look at the gap between the positions of the people at large and the national party. Enormous. And as long as the national party keeps thinking this way–as long as it will not, for example, get behind M4All, it will continue losing.
Dems: to have any standing at all, you have to stand for something. That the Pugs, as dense as they are, have figured out.
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Another Bloomington boy
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This reporter’s summation is breathtaking. Really. You may want to have some oxygen handy.
https://crooksandliars.com/2022/11/reporter-kari-lake-treated-sht-lists
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Really hoping I can buy an NFT of the very moment when Trump makes his announcement this evening, which he says is likely to be the most important event in the history of the country! I have my handheld flags all ready to wave during it. But I’m also going to have Trump.con open throughout in hopes I can snag that NFT!!!
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I’ve never really understood the concepts of crypto currency and NFTs. Interestingly, a couple of shows ago, Harry Shearer explained NFT in a way that even I could understand. Begins at 7:30, through 11:25:
https://harryshearer.com/le-shows/november-06-2022/#t=07:30
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If Elon beats me to it, I’m going to be quite upset. A piece of the most important historical event ever!!!
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In that case, I’ll put Elon’s money on Elon.
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The most important event in American history is the play Hamilton. All the polls I see show Lin Manuel Miranda trouncing Trump in a 2024 presidential contest.
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Nominating Harris would be a terrible mistake…..I had hopes for her to be nominated in 2020—-but a lot of people simply do not like her….Wes Moore?….Westley Watende Omari Moore (born October 15, 1978) is an American politician, investment banker, author, and television producer. He is the governor-elect of Maryland, after defeating Republican Dan Cox in the 2022 Maryland gubernatorial election, becoming the first Black governor of the state and the third Black person elected as governor of a U.S. state.
Born in Maryland and raised largely in New York, Moore graduated from Johns Hopkins University and received a master’s degree from Wolfson College, Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar. After several years in the U.S. Army and Army Reserve, Moore became an investment banker in New York. Between 2010 and 2015, Moore published five books, including one young adult novel. Moore served as CEO of the Robin Hood Foundation from 2017 to 2021. Moore is the author of The Other Wes Moore and The Work. He was also the host of Beyond Belief on the Oprah Winfrey Network, as well as the executive producer and a writer for Coming Back with Wes Moore on PBS…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wes_Moore
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A great rising star, this fellow!
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Trump delivered, tonight, an interminable speech. He was clearly boring even himself. The guy is toast.
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I doubt he could win a vote to run the Mar-a-lago Pro Shop.
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He could win a vote to run the pro shop simply by firing every employee who had a potential vote leaving only his own vote for himself to be counted.
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And he would undoubtedly claim he got 100% of the votes.
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In other news, Russian missiles just struck Poland.
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Because it is a klepocratic state in which officials up and down the line emulate the Mafia boss in chief, Vladimir, and take their vig from every transaction, a lot of things in Russia today don’t work. For example, 60 percent of Russian missiles simply don’t operate. They are duds. Unexploded Russian missiles are partly buried in the ground all over Ukraine. Same with the Russian coms systems. Add to this the fact that Russia has run through its supply of precision missiles and is now using untargeted missiles without onboard guidance systems AND operations close to the borders (perhaps to disrupt supply lines), and you have a recipe for disaster.
This is ofc what happened throughout WWII. Bombs didn’t hit their targets. That’s why the Allies turned to saturation bombing. Leveling whole cities. Oops. Missed the munitions factor. Hit the kindergarten.
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Biden and Polish President are both saying it’s unlikely that the missiles were fired by Russia.
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I finally realized what’s wrong with the headline of this post. The more appropriate word would have been “baffling,” i.e. like the saying, “If you can’t dazzle ’em with brilliance, baffle ’em with bullshit.”
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Looks like it’s a Florida power grab now that Scott is challenging McConnell. The leader of the most unsuccessful RSCC cycle in ages against a master obstructionist. Not Spy vs. Spy, more like Evil vs. Evil. Love this excerpt on list of pledges made in letter to caucus: “5. I will work with each of you to advance Republican priorities and, when possible, force Democrats to vote on our bills.” Force?
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rick-scott-challenge-mitch-mconnell-gop-leader_n_6373fdbfe4b07a02ca7d069b
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