Bret Stephens is a conservative columnist for the New York Times. Although he did not support Trump, he steadfastly represents a conservative point of view. However, he dissented mightily from the draft decision overturning Roe,written by Justice Alito. It is a radical decision, he writes not a conservative decision.
He wrote:
Dear Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Barrett, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Thomas:
As you’ll no doubt agree, Roe v. Wade was an ill-judged decision when it was handed down on Jan. 22, 1973.
It stood on the legal principle of a right to privacy found, at the time, mainly in the penumbras of the Constitution. It arrogated to the least democratic branch of government the power to settle a question that would have been better decided by Congress or state legislatures. It set off a culture war that polarized the country, radicalized its edges and made compromise more difficult. It helped turn confirmation hearings for the Supreme Court into the unholy death matches they are now. It diminished the standing of the court by turning it into an ever-more political branch of government.
But a half-century is a long time. America is a different place, with most of its population born after Roe was decided. And a decision to overturn Roe — which the court seems poised to do, according to the leak of a draft of a majority opinion from Justice Samuel Alito — would do more to replicate Roe’s damage than to reverse it.
It would be a radical, not conservative, choice.
What is conservative? It is, above all, the conviction that abrupt and profound changes to established laws and common expectations are utterly destructive to respect for the law and the institutions established to uphold it — especially when those changes are instigated from above, with neither democratic consent nor broad consensus.
This is partly a matter of stare decisis, but not just that. As conservatives, you are philosophically bound to give considerable weight to judicial precedents, particularly when they have been ratified and refined — as Roe was by the 1992 Planned Parenthood v. Casey decision — over a long period. The fact that Casey somewhat altered the original scheme of Roe, a point Justice Alito makes much of in his draft opinion, doesn’t change the fact that the court broadly upheld the right to an abortion. “Casey is precedent on precedent,” as Justice Kavanaugh aptly put it in his confirmation hearing.
It’s also a matter of originalism. “To avoid an arbitrary discretion in the courts,” Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist No. 78, “it is indispensable that they” — the judges — “should be bound down by strict rules and precedents, which serve to define and point out their duty in every particular case that comes before them.” Hamilton understood then what many of today’s originalists ignore, which is that the core purpose of the courts isn’t to engage in (unavoidably selective) textual exegetics to arrive at preferred conclusions. It’s to avoid an arbitrary discretion — to resist the temptation to seek to reshape the entire moral landscape of a vast society based on the preferences of two or three people at a single moment.
Just what does the court suppose will happen if it votes to overturn Roe? Ending legalized abortions nationwide would not happen, so pro-lifers would have little to cheer in terms of the total number of unterminated pregnancies, which has declined steadily, for a host of reasons, with Roe and Casey still the law of the land.
But the pro-lifers would soon rediscover the meaning of another conservative truism: Beware of unintended consequences. Those include the return of the old, often unsafe, illegal abortion (or abortions in Mexico), the entrenchment of pro-choice majorities in blue states and the likely consolidation of pro-choice majorities in many purple states, driven by voters newly anxious over their reproductive rights. Americans are almost evenly divided on their personal views of abortion, according to years of Gallup polling, but only 19 percent think abortion should be illegal under all circumstances.
It shouldn’t be hard to imagine how Americans will react to the court conspicuously providing aid and comfort to the 19 percent. You may reason, justices, that by joining Justice Alito’s opinion, you will merely be changing the terms on which abortion issues get decided in the United States. In reality, you will be lighting another cultural fire — one that took decades to get under control — in a country already ablaze over racial issues, school curriculums, criminal justice, election laws, sundry conspiracy theories and so on.
And what will the effect be on the court itself? Here, again, you may be tempted to think that overturning Roe is an act of judicial modesty that puts abortion disputes in the hands of legislatures. Maybe — after 30 years of division and mayhem.
Yet the decision will also discredit the court as a steward of whatever is left of American steadiness and sanity, and as a bulwark against our fast-depleting respect for institutions and tradition. The fact that the draft of Justice Alito’s decision was leaked — which Chief Justice Roberts rightly described as an “egregious breach” of trust — is a foretaste of the kind of guerrilla warfare the court should expect going forward. And not just on abortion: A court that betrays the trust of Americans on an issue that affects so many, so personally, will lose their trust on every other issue as well.
The word “conservative” encompasses many ideas and habits, none more important than prudence. Justices: Be prudent.
The Extreme Court continues its attack on the foundations of democracy.
It can happen here. It is happening.
Me reading the Dobbs decision:
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/bitch-you-better-be-joking
I do hold out hope that Republicans will be forced to moderate their positions on abortion when Roe is no longer there as a backstop. There must be a lot of Republicans in Alabama who do not want a total ban on abortion.
Since when do Republicans care what a lot of Republicans want?
Republicans care what their donors want, and they motivate their base by making sure the media exclusively pushes the false narrative the Republicans want to rile up their voters. CRT is bad! Let’s focus on “her e-mails”. Let’s focus on the leak. Let’s not make the Supreme Court a major issue just because there is an open seat during an election year!
The Republicans want the utterly false narrative to be: “I’m sure that the end of Roe v. Wade will moderate the Republicans’ position” – a fairy tale based on wishful thinking when every single time the Republicans get any power, they move even further to the right to keep it. When was the last time the Republicans moderated their positions when they gained power? Mainstream Republicans think Liz Cheney is too left wing now for supporting truth and democracy.
When that utterly false narrative is challenged by folks asking “why do you have that opinion when the Republicans have done the opposite for 15 years and there is no evidence that today’s Republicans ever moderate their opinions when they gain power?”, the minions who amplify right wing talking points don’t defend their opinion. They NEVER defend their opinions. Instead they attack those who question them. They demonize those who dare to ask them to provide some logical reason for their “opinion”. They claim they are being censored or “canceled” if all critics are not forced to remain silent whenever they post their fact-free “opinions”. Their opinions must not be challenged.
The Republicans will grasp even more power. Anyone who believes they will be “forced to moderate” is normalizing Republicans despite years of evidence that the Republican party is no longer normal. The Republican party values power over democracy. It values lies over truth.
Whether those who post evidence-free “opinions” that just happen to amplify the Republican talking points are doing it intentionally or are simply useful idiots for the right wing, they are complicit.
You are likely correct that many Republicans aren’t enthusiastic about this ruling. However, these types of decisions and policies aren’t aimed at them.
The current Republican Party is dependent on Trumpism. Core traditional Republicans will always vote Republicans. I have a few friends who have been Republicans for decades who do not like Trump. But they all voted for him!
Policies regarding abortion, CRT, school choice and gun rights aren’t about making policy. It’s about keeping the Trump vote voting. The Republicans need the crazies to maintain any hope of electoral majorities. It’s a meaningful enpough percentage that the Republicans can’t lose them.
And those Republicans that see the empty, silly pursuits of the Republicans for what they are, will still vote Republican. In order to continue to win, Republicans must have the Trumpers.
So what the traditional Republicans want doesn’t matter. They won’t change their votes. It’s all about the performative nonsense. Like Florida’s Parental rights bnill which only gives parents the exact powers and knowledge they’ve always had. Just like Trump’s presidency which provided almost no tangible results (except for incredible deficit spending to promote what was supposedly a booming economy). But Trump tweeted a lot and claimed to do things. But really, nothing much happened. It was all performance with no real policy.
“Those include the return of the old, often unsafe, illegal abortion (or abortions in Mexico)”
Sad. Why the need to include the “or abortions in Mexico” in that statement? Xenophobic claptrap is what that statement is.
Folks who lived in the South remember a lot of people going to Mexico for their abortions. That’s all that is, Duane.
I stand by my comment.
Bret Stephens appears to be trying to remain relevant to the NYT’s base. Otherwise, he’s a man in the mold of other right wingers. Readers can learn more at Slate, 4-26-2017, “Let’s Read New NYT Columnist Stephens, No Good, Very Bad Vox Interview.” Stephens owns his views about race and women .
The Supreme will have lost its legitimacy should Alito’s decision (or anything near it) becomes the ruling.
Last year, Amy Coney Barrett whined (yes, whined) that she was tiring of the Supreme Court’s reputation as “political hacks.” Well, don’t act like political hacks then. A clear majority of the nation does not want Roe overturned. This is merely the Court’s personal preferences. Hackery.
Of course, this is the problem with the Republican Party. They are clinging to a world that ceased to exist decades ago. In seeking to return to that world, they have refused to understand what drives current society. People under the age of 40 don’t really connect with modern Republicanism. At least a meaningful portion of them doesn’t really want a return to those values.
But the Court, shielded by lifetime appointments can simply follow its own policy (not legal, but policy) without repercussions. But the Republican Party is trying to enshrine so many of its ideas because it knows that the moment will disappear within a generation.
Alito wants to go back to a time similar to Ireland during the Great Hunger when 1,000,000 died of starvation. The conditions at the time were the economics of the right wing and a complicit Catholic Church.
Jefferson- in every age, in every country, the priest aligns with the despot.
COURT BENDS THE FACTS: The University of London scientist whose research is cited by the Supreme Court in its ruling to take away abortion rights says that his research has been misinterpreted by Justice Alito and the Supreme Court’s activist conservative majority. Neuroscientist Dr. Giandomenico Iannetti says that the Court is ABSOLUTELY WRONG to say that his research shows that a fetus can feel pain when it is less than 24 weeks of development. “My results by no means imply that,” Dr. Iannetti declares. “I feel they were used in a clever way to make a point.” And Dr. John Wood, molecular neurobiologist at the University, points out that all serious scientists agree that a fetus can NOT feel pain until at least 24 weeks “and perhaps not even then.” Dr. Vania Apkarian, head of the Center for Transitional Pain Research at Chicago’s Feinberg School of Medicine, says that the medical evidence on a fetus not feeling pain before 24 weeks or longer has not changed in 50 years and remains “irrefutable”.
LIFE OF WOE: In its 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling upholding abortion rights, the Supreme Court set “viability” — the point at which a fetus can survive outside of the womb — as the dividing line after which some restrictions can be imposed on abortion rights. The pending ruling by current activist conservative majority on the Court will do away with the concept of viability, yet even with all of today’s medical miracles to keep a prematurely born or aborted fetus alive, of all the tens of thousands of cases, 90% OF FETUSES BORN AT 22 WEEKS DO NOT SURVIVE, and data shows that the majority of those that manage to be kept alive live the rest of their lives with a combination of BIRTH DEFECTS that include mental impairment, cerebral palsy, breathing problems, blindness, deafness, and other disorders that often require frequent hospitalizations during their lifetimes.
The Bible is silent on abortion:
The Bible gives commandments on a very, very long list of more than 600 laws on everything from divorce to gluttony — yet the Bible says nothing about abortion. Why is that? If abortion was even as important as gluttony, it should have been mentioned in the Bible.
Out of more than 600 laws of Moses, including the 10 Commandments, NONE — not one — comments on abortion. In fact, the Mosaic law in Exodus 21:22-25 clearly shows that causing the abortion of a fetus is NOT MURDER. Exodus 21:22-25 says that if a woman has a miscarriage as the result of a fight, the man who caused it should only pay a fine that is to be determined by the woman’s husband, but if the woman dies, the man is to be executed: “If a man strives with a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet there is no harm to the woman: he shall be punished according to what the woman’s husband determines and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if the woman dies, then it shall be life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth . . .” Ex. 21:22-25. So, the Bible orders the death penalty for murder of a human being — the mother — but not for the death of a fetus, indicating that the fetus is not yet a human being.
There are Christian denominations that allow abortion in most instances; these denominations include the United Church of Christ and the Presbyterian Church USA. The United Methodist Church and Episcopal churches allow abortion in cases of medical necessity, and the United Universalist Association also allows abortion.
I am not pro-abortion — I am PRO-RIGHTS, and until a fetus is in its 24th week of development the mother has the unquestionable right to decide what happens to the fetus. After the 24th week, society has a legitimate interest in the fetus. What that interest is, to what extent it reaches, and how to encode that interest into law isn’t easy and will require a great deal of debate in society in general and in government.
“Allow”
If your point is that churches have the authority to compel members
to comply with their edicts, it is news to Catholics who are using pharmaceutical birth control.