Jim Sleeper is a lecturer in political science at Yale and an author. He wrote the following post in 2018, when the horrors of the Trump regime were fresh. It is still relevant.
Donald J. Trump isn’t a Nazi, although his father came close. It’s true that historical analogies between Trump’s policies and Hitler’s are often facile, and sometimes dangerously misleading. But here’s one that I’m not inclined to shrug off.
During a long stay in Berlin in 2009, I went often to the Grunewald railway station to have my coffee. It’s a picturesque little station, built in the 1899, fronted by a cobblestone square and surrounded by splendid, well-preserved villas of that period.
It’s also the point from which more than 50,000 Berlin Jews were shipped to concentration camps, a few hundred a week, from 1942 to 1945. At the station’s Track 17, a steel strip along the platform edge records, in raised letters, each week’s shipment of several hundred “Juden” to Theresienstadt, Minsk, Riga, Kaunas, Łódź and, later, directly to Auschwitz and other death camps.
It’s hard for most Americans, especially those of us whose parents fought in World War II, to imagine that people who boarded the trains had no idea of what lay ahead. Yet, although Jews had been vilified and some attacked on the streets since 1938, some things remained unthinkable to Berlin Jews, most of whom had been middle-class, law-abiding citizens since birth. They showed up at station on the appointed dates, children and luggage in tow, for what they’d been told would be deportation to resettlement and work centers. At worst, they expected something like what Japanese-Americans experienced in internment camps on our own West Coast during the same war.
Under the watchful eyes of German police, they took their seats in ordinary passenger coaches for many of these departures. Only later, far beyond Berlin, were they transferred to box cars. Some time after that, postcards they hadn’t written were sent to relatives or acquaintances whom they’d listed with the authorities, assuring them that all was well in their new locations.
One day in April of 2009, as I sipped my coffee at the Grunewald station alongside retirees in their 70s and near a beer-garden where younger Germans also overlooked the square, three police cars swept in and officers leapt out, commanding us, “Don’t Move.” Then approximately 45 young military officers in formal parade dress descended from a tourist bus. Their uniforms were attractive, but alien—clearly not German. As they milled about, one of the men seated near me asked a police officer, “Was is das?”
“Israelischen,” he answered. They were Israeli army officers.
A silence descended upon the square like nothing I’d ever felt, so thick you could have cut it with a knife. Not another word was spoken, but I thought that I sensed three dimensions in the quiet all around me. The first was straight out of Close Encounters of the Third Kind: “They’re here. They’ve come.” The second was of admiration, or at least respect, for these vibrant young officers, stunning negations of the image of “Juden” that some of these older men must have remembered from their infancy. The third dimension, I sensed from the tightened body language around me, carried a flicker of resentment at having to be reminded, instead of being left to sip one’s coffee in peace.
A black car with tinted windows ascended a ramp toward Track 17. The Israeli officers fell into formation and followed. They’d come to lay a wreath on Track 17 on Yom Ha’Shoah—Holocaust Remembrance Day. Ironically, I hadn’t remembered the day myself.
I recount this now because some Americans remind me of Berlin Jews who didn’t think the unthinkable when they should have. After watching the Trump administration tear apart weeping parents and children—on the initiative of its senior policy adviser, Stephen Miller, who’s Jewish—I’m thinking that although Trump has now found it politically expedient to halt the practice, more than a few of my fellow Americans were thinking, “Well, they deserve it, unlike me, a law-abiding citizen, and a veteran.”
Those Berlin Jews had been law-abiding citizens, too, at least until 1935, and more than a few were military veterans: Some 12,000 of the Jews who had served in the German military had fallen in World War I. In an irony beyond ironies, it was a Jewish lieutenant, Hugo Gutmann, who secured an Iron Cross, First Class, for a 29-year-old corporal under his command, Adolph Hitler.
We now know that German veterans of that war, Jews and non-Jews alike, were lied to and sent into harm’s way for no good reason. So were soldiers in the Nazi Wehrmacht 25 years later, whom my father, a corporal in the U.S. Army Combat Engineers, was ordered to supervise as prisoners as his 277th battalion clanked across northern Germany, because he spoke Yiddish, which is closely related to German.
He did it with mix of grief and revulsion. One day, when his battalion commandeered a Nazi-friendly baron’s estate in the town of Hohne, my father and others scouted a cottage behind the mansion and found a white-haired, well-spoken man who said he was a caretaker but whom the G.I.’s suspected was closer to the missing baron. As some of them prodded him down the hill toward the mansion, jabbing him roughly with their rifle barrels, my father said, suddenly, almost instinctively, “Cut that out.”
“Why? You should enjoy this Sleeper, you’re a Jew.”
“Cut it out, I said.” He had no illusions about Nazism. But he was a young American, emancipated from his ancestors’ European hell, and he thought he was fighting for a world better than one in which the tables of unjust power are merely turned, a world where justice—dare one say, “due process”?—is stronger than revenge.
Watching the fires that Trump is stoking week in, week out, I wonder when his supporters and enablers will see that the unthinkable could happen to them. I’m not inclined to alarmism, but what if, a couple of years from now, veterans who say they fought for an America where people are free to speak their minds decide to speak their own minds in ways Trump doesn’t like? How far might this admirer of Vladimir Putin go against Americans he thinks are his enemies? He’s already said that he wants to tighten libel laws; his ICE agents have developed arrest-and-detention tactics that a craven Congress would let him expand with the stroke of a pen; municipal police forces are more militarized than ever before.
Yes, historical analogies are risky. But, sipping coffee overlooking the Grunewald station’s charming cobblestone square, you’d never imagine what happened there if you hadn’t been told.

It’s already happened here. The tipping point was the acquittal of the Idiot in his second impeachment. Historians will, I believe, point back to that day as being our Reichstag fire. What we are now witnessing acts of a new era. The one that ended, between the Cold War and the acquittal, will likely be called the Age of Hubris, the time when a majority of Americans believed in the mysticism of American exceptionalism and either neglected or hindered the hard work needed to maintain the American experiment. What this era will be called is yet to be determined by whatever authorities that will be allowed to write officially sanctioned “history” in the future.
The only way it can be stemmed is by a multitude of heroic individual and group actions in the next year. Past history tells me betting on that is a really, really bad idea if you want to make money.
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Exactly so, Greg.
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GregB, I was thinking the same time.
But I think another way we must act is to marginalize those who spend their time both normalizing the fascism and undermining those who fight against this.
There were nice German folks who sounded a lot like our resident normalizer of far right Republican ideology below.
Instead of expressing any outrage about what the Nazis were doing, they exclusively directed their outrage at the critics of the Nazis and scapegoated the critics.
I do think it is clear that any German who reserved all of their outrage for Hitler’s critics and hijacked criticism of Hitler into a pathological need to amplify the flaws of those criticizing them, was complicit.
If a “nice” German believed that the way to bring about the Germany they wanted is to amplify the flaws of Hitler’s critics to shut them down or scapegoat them because Germany was not yet the country they wanted, they were complicit.
Just like they are complicit in this country.
And they are easily identified because their outrage is EXCLUSIVELY directed toward the critics of the fascists.
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I thank GregB and others who’ve responded to my column by emphasizing that this is a civic and political emergency and that we can’t rely on dreams of American exceptionalism to spare us from fascism. And I thank Diane for posting my Washington Monthly column of 2018, above, because it was prescient then and indeed is highly relevant now.
That said, I think that we — especially those of us who are, quite understandably, Holocaust-haunted Jews — shouldn’t indulge too literally in the Hitler precedents for Trumpism. I say this because fascism always advances opportunistically by playing upon distinctive elements in varied national cultures: Franco’s fascist Spain and Mussolini’s fascist Italy were different from Germany’s, even though all fascist eruptions so share something in common, namely lower- and middle-class people’s feeling humiliated, stressed, and dispossessed, and looking for simple narratives that tell them whom to blame for it and whom to follow to “fix” it. We need to recognize both the similarities and — if we want to push back the fascism that’s gathering momentum in America — we need to know the differences well enough to push back by speaking and acting in American terms.
Please let me share (and please do share with others) one more column about this. It was prompted by my recent discovery of a 1941 book by the New Republic literary editor of that time, Francis Hackett: “What Mein Kampf Means to America.” My column ran in DEMOCRACY journal. Here’s the link, or Google “Jim Sleeper” and “Cleansing Ourselves of Trumpism”:
https://democracyjournal.org/arguments/cleansing-ourselves-of-trumpism/
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Thank you 🙏 Jim,
You nailed it
“In 2016, his demagoguery enlarged and exploited a social and moral vacuum that was already swallowing faith in the republic and a corporate-capitalist economy that has driven countless little stabs of heartbreak and self-doubt into our lives. Its casino-like financing of jobs and homes and its intimately intrusive consumer marketing have battened onto dispossession and distress by hawking palliatives, degrading entertainments, and other come-ons driven by swirling whorls of anonymous shareholders.
These forces have been dissolving our freedoms for decades now, not out of malevolence but out of mindless, routinized greed.“
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Another outstanding article, Mr. Sleeper, and extraordinarily well written. I would dearly love to get my hands on a copy of Hackett’s What Mein Kampf Means to America. Poking around Google, however, I find that copies of this out-of-print book are selling for $500-$750! Thank you for drawing attention to its arguments!
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Odd that you’re publishing this more than a year after its subject has been out of office, when all of the policies it decries are still in effect (if not expanded), yet not once does the name of his successor appear. Hmm….
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His successor is hampered by the Senate, but to imply Biden’s and Trump’s policies are identical is ridiculous. But you know that.
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“Trump is not a Nazi”
Seriously?
I am reminded of those who thought that they could control Hitler, who imagined that it wouldn’t be all that bad.
The current Fascist Republican Party looks poised to win the House and Senate in 2022. Manchin and Sinema will continue hobbling President Biden, and with both Houses against him, his hands will be tied. And in the wake of that, a little goosestepper far smarter and far more knowledgeable than Trump will become president, and the Fascists will, with a simple majority vote, expand the Supreme Court into an Extreme Court that will rubber stamp curtailing voting rights and enabling our version of the Enabling Act of 1933. And that is how the backward, Greying Old Party, which has been steadily losing support for decades now will retain its power. By rising Phoenix-like from the ashes of democracy.
Don’t fool yourself. It’s no longer a matter of It can happen here. It is happening here. Right now.
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Well, remember, this piece is a couple of years old. I reread Arendt’s Origins of… up to and during the 2016 GOP convention. Looking back on my notes, I pretty much sized up the party as fascist back then, yet I still wrote, “…Arendt’s analysis is once again pertinent in, of all places, the United States in the 21st century, even though I don’t think the U.S. will become a totalitarian dictatorship, even if the possible election of the 2016 Republican nominee for president causes many to think it might.”
It took me a few weeks later to realize I was wrong about “I don’t think…”, thanks largely because I started to pay attention to this blog and realized how silly some of those making the arguments I made in my head were completely off base. This was more serious than a heart attack. It took this writer a couple of years longer. More are finally realizing it now, and most, even those opposed to the GOP, still don’t. Even some of the commentators here.
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I watched the last Republican Convention and kept thinking, throughout it, where is Leni Riefenstahl to film this? From the fact that the Party didn’t even bother to draft a platform this time because Glorious Leader WAS the platform to Melania’s military uniform dress, ALL the Fascist tropes were there: the promise of return to a mythical past greatness, the monumental architecture, the constant nationalist jingoism and iconography, the promise to enact a nationalist/exceptionalist curriculum, the scapegoating of enemies within, the dog-whistling calls-to-arms directed to Citizens Militias–all there.
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The Nazis Know Their Own When They See Them
There’s a big sinkhole at Mar-a-Lago.
Let that sink in.
Donnie was our president
Although he did not win
A popular plurality,
And that is just a sin.
Ask me what I think of him.
Oh, where do I begin?
He’s a freaking hero to
The skinhead Aryans.
It ought to be a clue that he
Has such great popularity
With skinhead Aryans.
Wink wink it’s not an accident
That one so twisted and so bent
Should be a freaking hero to
The skinhead Aryans.
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Stable genius Donald Trump on eugenics (not that he would even know the word):
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This is so gross.
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I think jeans are pretty important
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He has the very biggliest best genes:
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“Oh, I love Texas. And today, by the way, I got to do the most Texas thing ever,” Donald Trump Jr. said during his speech at the rally. “Since we came in late last night, I was able to bring my little son Donny to my buddy Dion’s manufacturing facility at F-1 Firearms. And Donny, little kid from New York City, now Florida, thank God, got to make his own AR-15.” –Donald Trump, Jr., on taking his 12-year-old to assemble an AR-15 while Grandpa was bloviating at the rally.
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Levis or Wranglers?
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Order for your children today!!!
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My favorite is the cover of the book with the signing of the Constitution with what seems to be a Black Girl Scout looking one with approval and glee.
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lol
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Bob, did Don, Jr. ACTUALLY say this/do this? (We know you’re kidding, sometimes.) I didn’t see it on the post you’d linked.
I’m asking because, if true, you should send it to Brady, to Everyone/Moms Demand Action & to every national gun violence prevention organization.
Everyone should know & be prepared for 2024.
Thank you!
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Yes, this is real, not satire, though the Donald Trump spawn are all self-satirizing.
https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-jr-takes-son-build-ar-15-texas-2022-1
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Yes, there is a chance Trump could bring the Final Solution (with him the decider who must die) to the United States if he manages to stay free, avoid court cases tht could destroy him financially, and return to the White House or launch a Civil War because he loses again in 2022 and/or 2024.
I’ve asked myself many times, what will I do?
Well, I won’t act alone. I know that.
If there is a well organized military resistance to the fascism Trump would replace the US Constitution with, I’d join them and do what i could. But at 76 or older, what could I do. I’m not a young grunt that was sent to fight in Vietnam, as I was in the Marines back in 1965 to 1968.
I have real bone spurs (I was in my early 60’s went that curse arrived) on the joints of both big toes and too much walking cripples me. The VA told me surgery was risky with only a 50/50 chance removing the bone spurs would work. For exercise, I use a stationary bike and do one mile a day. But a lot of walking and forced marches, no way.
If I ended up staying home during Trump’s Final Solution to get rid of anyone he saw as a problem to him, I’d buy more ammo and keep my firearms loaded all the time scattered throughout the house ready for use.
I’d ready myself to die in a hail of bullets going both ways. But even that is not guaranteed. Trump’s MAGA thugs might cut off my water and electricity and isolate me in my hose until I steered to death or they might burn me out without any warning.
That’s what Stalin did to millions of Ukrainian farmers when they refused to turn farms that had been in their families for generation over to the Communist collectives.
I have no doubts, that Trump’s MAGA thugs would laugh and joke while they did the same thing to anyone that Trump wanted eliminated.
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Hmmm. Maybe, when the time comes, I can go visit Lloyd and hold out for an additional few days!!! LOL!!!
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It is precisely imaging “what happen here” that drives efforts to ban books and discussions that make student “uncomfortable”. They don’t want students to think about the guilt of those who stood by or those who risked their lives to object.
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Well said!
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See this: Many “Parent” Groups Opposing Masks and CRT Are Actually Driven by Dark Money
https://truthout.org/articles/many-parent-groups-opposing-masks-and-crt-are-actually-driven-by-dark-money/
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It IS happening here. And we know who’s doing it and who’s behind it.
“Public education is facing a crisis unlike anything in decades, and it reaches into almost everything that educators do: from teaching math, to counseling anxious children, to managing the building. Political battles are now a central feature of education, leaving school boards, educators and students in the crosshairs of culture warriors.”
“Schools are on the defensive about their pandemic decision-making, their curriculums, their policies regarding race and racial equity and even the contents of their libraries. Republicans — who see education as a winning political issue — are pressing their case for more “parental control,” or the right to second-guess educators’ choices. Meanwhile, an energized school choice movement has capitalized on the pandemic to promote alternatives to traditional public schools.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/01/30/public-education-crisis-enrollment-violence/
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I really enjoyed this article for its detail and chilling account of what happened and the tactics used by the German government to basically trick people to board the trains. Without a doubt I agree that this can happen here and sometimes from the least likeliest source:
The figure was registered by Rasmussen Reports and the Heartland Institute, which also found that a MAJORITY “Fifty-nine percent of Democratic voters would favor a government policy requiring that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times, except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.”
The survey also found that 48 percent of Democratic voters “think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications.”
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Sorry I forgot this one:
The pollster added that “Twenty-nine percent of Democratic voters would support temporarily removing parents’ custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine.”
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Whatever the Heartland Institute is involved with has a high probability of being spin from Charles Koch.
To understand Koch, who is a social Darwinist, read Jane Mayer’s research.
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Oh ok Linda, so we’re only going to use the polls and “science” that we agree with and throw out all the rest? Might as well just censor the digital content, books, and interviews that don’t follow our hypothesis. Deplatform all the “misinformation!” A digital content burning 🔥 oh wait that’s already happening.
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Linda I’d saying—and I agree with her—that you can’t take seriously any data advanced by a highly ideological, highly politicized source. They have only one point of view , and they are highly partisan.
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The right-wing Heartland Institute also says that Covid is the gateway drug to “socialism.”
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Yaron
Tucker Carlson and the Koch network are regularly on the wrong side of history. Only a fool gives credence to either.
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Well tucker and Koch can go shove it too. I am from the San Francisco Bay Area and I can guarantee you if I took a poll of people in that area these NUMBERS the heartland whatever just put out are actually too LOW. Meaning the people in that area are even nastier when it comes to the unvaccinated. Not sure how the city that used to represent peace and love and freedom turned into such a mean and nasty place.
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Yaron-
You do know that Trump made it o.k. for people to express their bigotry in public forums? He provokes the especially hateful comments, often those based on demographic profile.
He said he could get away with killing someone on 5th Ave.
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I did not mean to take away from Mr. Sleeper’s superb article by saying that he’s wrong about Trump being a Nazi. It’s an excellent essay. Here’s the thing about Trump: he is too stupid and too ignorant actually to know what various ideological terms mean or to have formulated a coherent ideology. But, on the question of whether Trump is a fascist, if it quacks like a duck, . . .
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Trump is a fascist by instinct. Even if he can’t spell the word, he’s a fascist, racist, sexist, xenophobic. Ignorant boor.
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How about only allowing a black female person to be nominated for the Supreme Court? Is that fascist or just racist?
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How about saying that it is absolutely time for the Supreme Court that has NEVER had a black female justice to have one?
Is that racist or fascist? Or a good idea?
How about people like Yaron Shamash who demand that Biden wait until some future time and absolutely NOT nominate any black woman to the Supreme Court because it just isn’t the right time yet? Is that racist or fascist?
Yaron Shamash,
It is long past time. If your definition of “racist” is that Biden thinks it is time and you don’t, then that says a lot more about you than Biden.
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Actually I’m just following the words of doctor King and many others who believe in theirs hearts that:
“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”
Whose the one making demands?
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The rightwing has seized upon that one line of Dr. King to assert that any effort to teach the history of racism and the persistence of racism today must be a racist. Dr. King expressed many times the poisonous nature of racism and he preached against systemic racism. If you read his works, you would say he espoused critical race theory. Don’t drain his message of any meaning. He was well aware that black Americans are indeed judged by the color of their skin. They were in the 1950s and 1960s (as well as before), and all too often today as well. I’ve seen racism. I’ve seen systemic racism. I hope one day Dr. King’s dream comes true. It’s not yet true, and we don’t advance that hope by pretending that racism doesn’t exist, even that it never existed, as some red states claim.
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Black, white, Asian, or any sexual orientation. Doesn’t make a difference to me as long as the most qualified person is chosen. Can be a communist for all I care. As long as they know they have a duty to follow the guidelines of the constitution. Fine by me
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Yaron-
We wouldn’t see as many SCOTUS decisions along partisan lines, if the court was influenced solely by law. Conservative Catholic jurists will overturn Roe v Wade, a decision that has stood for almost 50 years.
Are you in favor of the Equal Rights amendment?
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“Black, white, Asian, or any sexual orientation. Doesn’t make a difference to me as long as the most qualified person is chosen.”
Actually you just revealed implicit racism, since none of the white justices that Trump chose were the “MOST” qualified.
There is a lot of racism baked into the double standard you hold, in which white folks just have to “qualified” and less privileged non-white folks have to be the “most” qualified to get their positions.
Or are you outraged that Kavanaugh, Coney Bryant, Gorsuch, etc. got their positions when Merrick Garland and dozens of other candidates were “more” qualified?
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And, the Orange Blobfish of Mar-a-Lago just admitted, at his last rally, that he attempted to orchestrate an overthrow of a democratic election.
This is what treason looks like, folks.
And idiocy.
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The orange man is a moron. He knows it himself. no one is perfect. He probably can’t believe he was elected President to this day.
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Through history, 90+% of SCOTUS judges- white and male- not one of them had their qualifications questioned based on being white or male.
Ilya Shapiro at Georgetown Law (private Catholic), whose credentials were from the Koch’s Cato Institute, is predictably having difficulty because of his tweets about Biden’s SCOTUS selection.
Robert P George supports Shapiro- again, no surprise.
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He clearly has an ethos to make himself look like an American Nazi in the movie. If not, he’s just a brakeless old dump truck 🛻 that is going to off from the cliff.
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Here is another thing that will happen: you will really find out more about your neighbors than you thought possible. Not what they do, but what motivates them. Good explanations of this can be found on 2:10-2:33 and 24:35-25:28 of the story below.
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“What would I have done?” That’s a question people can start asking now; more will be asking it in the future. So who are these people who will form the new majority and benefit greatly–or at least most of them will, some will resist and pay the price, mostly through the limitation of economic opportunity to create a greater dependence on acquiescing to the new power structure.
Who will they be? Most pensioners and people nearing a pension for obvious reasons. They have too much to lose and too many people depending on them to speak up. And funds they are invested in will finance the new regime to refine their political confinement. Civil servants and anyone else, like the military, who get a publicly-funded paycheck. Large corporations will have greater power to impose rules from above and there will be little-to-no ways to appeal. It’s going to be seamless. Youngkin’s teacher-tattling policies are just a test run.
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“Youngkin’s teacher-tattling policies are just a test run.”
What I see in GregB’s comments on this blog is deep understanding of how the banal ways in which machine of fascist governance works, how it replicates and expands, how, to change the metaphor, the infection spreads. And it is because he has that understanding that he doesn’t think, oh, it could never get that bad here.
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cx: deep understanding of the banal ways
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A fascist state needs its overtly fascist leaders like Trump and DeSantis, Jeff “Freisler ” Sessions, Stewart “Roehm” Rhodes, and Trump’s Minister of Propaganda, Stephen “Goebbels” Miller, but it also needs its Speer-like, Eichmann-like administrative functionaries like Governors Abbot and Youngkin, and it needs all the millions of citizens who will, out of self-interest and/or fear, actively collaborate or simply pretend to see nothing and go along.
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And all these will follow Glorious Leader and hug the flag.
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How about a guy that says “I represent Science”. Is that a good potential fascist leader?
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How about a guy who says, well, we are going to let scientists represent science, as opposed to IQ45, Vlad’s Agent Orange, who thought that we should send astronauts to the sun, that stealth airplanes were actually invisible, that climate change is a hoax, that the way to treat Covid is by injecting disinfectant, etc?
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If you actually think that Republicans are following the lead of the consensus among scientists whereas the Democrats are not, but, rather, are just spouting unwarranted personal opinion, then you are profoundly confused and unaware of recent history and of science. The Republican Party is the anti-science party today. The only way one could think otherwise is if one has been asleep for the last five years or if one suffers from scientific ignorance coupled with blinding ideology.
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But hey, Yaron. Don’t look up!
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Here’s what the Moronavirus trumpinski, who actually said, “My instincts are better than science,” had to say about Covid in 2021:
“We have it totally under control. . . . It’s going to be just fine.” –IQ45, Jan 22
“We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment–five. And those people are all recuperating successfully.” –IQ45, Jan 30
“The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. . . . Stock market starting to look very good to me.” –IQ45, Feb 24
“We have very few people with it, and the people that have it are . . . getting better. They’re all getting better. . . . As far as what we’re doing with the new virus, I think that we’re doing a great job.” –IQ45, Feb 25
“And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” –IQ45, Feb 26
“Fake News MSDNC (Comcast) & @CNN are doing everything possible to make the Caronavirus look as bad as possible, including panicking markets, if possible.” –IQ45, Feb26
“It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle. It will disappear.” –IQ45, Feb 28
“One of my people came up to me and said, ‘Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.’ That did not work out too well. They could not do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. . . .They tried anything. … And this is their new hoax.” –IQ45, Feb 28
“Anybody that needs a test, gets a test. They’re there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful.” –IQ45, March 6
“And I like this stuff. You know, my uncle was a great person. He was at MIT. He taught at MIT I think for like a record number of years. He was a great super genius. Dr. John Trump. I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand. Everyone of these doctors they say, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have been that instead of running for President.” –IQ45, March 6
“So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common flu. . . . Nothing is shut down. Life and the economy go on.” –IQ45, March 9
“And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.” –IQ45, March 10
“It’s going to go away. . . . The United States, because of what I did and what the administration did with China, we have 32 deaths at this point. . . . When you look at the kind of numbers that you’re seeing coming out of other countries, it’s pretty amazing when you think of it.” –IQ45, March 12
“Federal Government is working very well with the governors and state officials. Good things will happen!” –IQ45, March 17
“I’ve always known this is a real–this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic . . . always viewed it as very serious.” –Liar in Chief, March 17
“No, I’ve always viewed it as very serious. There was no difference yesterday from days before.” –Liar in Chief, March 17
“We’re going to be opening very soon. . . . We’re opening up this incredible country. . . . I would love to have the country opened up and just raring to go by Easter. . . . churches full of people.” –IQ45, March 24
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If a scientist says he or she represents the perspective of a scientist, that doesn’t trouble me at all. If a politician with no scientific education or training says it, then I smell a ruse. Not necessarily fascism, but a fraud. Trump said he had a natural knack for science and knew more than the doctors—because he had an uncle who was a scientist. I don’t think scientific knowledge is genetic.
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FYI
I want to explain why I am responding so late and so much. I took a weeks vacation in Puerto Rico. I was flying home today, and our flight was canceled. Meanwhile I could not get on the Internet in the airport. Instead of arriving home at 5:30 pm as planned, we got home at 2:30 am.
If you need a break, I recommend P.R. The weather was clear and typically about 84 degrees daily but cool at night (about 68).
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Documented details of Nazi war crimes were pouring into publications by the late ‘60’s. I visited for weeks in 1970 with the ordinary, nice German family who had previously hosted my then-husband as a foreign exchange student. A history/ polysci grad, he engaged them regularly in discussion of these things.
They explained that grand-pop was required to join the Nazi party in order to continue operating the family paint-store. The cattle-cars that came through the center of town on the way to Bergen-Belsen? “We thought they were Russian prisoners.” Once, the TV was showing a documentary that spoke of the rape of Polish women by the Wehrmacht; the dad gruffly denied it. It was hard for them, perhaps impossible, to digest that their Hitler Youth adolescence was a lead-up to the worst atrocities of the 20thC, though they didn’t try to deny it It had felt to them like an emergence from the post-WWI poverty and chaos of their childhood into stability, and hope for the future.
They were lower-middle class people, somewhat in awe of our generation—their son too was college-educated, and part of a generation which did not hide their alienation from the parental generation which as far as they were concerned had ruined their country. I saw the parents again two years later when they visited the US. They had at that time resolved their inner conflict by buying into the new conspiracy theory of holocaust denial.
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Actually forced internment is already happening in Australia for example.
Check out the nice propaganda piece from the Washington post. They made the prison sound like the courtyard Marriott in Honolulu. Kind of reminds me of the fake postcards the German government sent to the families of the soon to be prisoners that everything was honky dory. Luckily omicron ended up being a dud so we don’t have to deal with this kind policy in the US for now.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/australia-darwin-covid-quarantine/2021/05/21/f72bc0ac-ad1b-11eb-82c1-896aca955bb9_story.html
HOWARD SPRINGS, Australia — In Australia’s northern quarantine camp, a disused construction workers’ hostel outside Darwin, the rooms are basic and the food is, well, institutional. But the fresh air, eucalyptus trees, blue skies and wind on your skin are sources of joy.
Native green parrots chirrup as they swoop by. Geckos cling to the veranda ceiling. The blinding sun reminds you that you are home.
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Broke my rule and opened this story because that is no way that story could be anything about what is implied above. IT’S A FREAKING 14 DAY QUARANTINE, not a jail. It’s a measure take to protect the nation, not take away anyone’s rights or jails them. What is being described here is inconvenience and boredom for a short time and then, guess what? They go back to their normal lives. You really shouldn’t post things like this and mischaracterize them. Someone might read them. I won’t get into his idiotic comment above that.
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It’s a lot more than just a quarantine my friend.
TUESDAY, NOV 23, 2021 – 04:44 AM
The Australian army has begun forcibly removing residents in the Northern Territories to the Howard Springs quarantine camp located in Darwin, after nine new Covid-19 cases were identified in the community of Binjari. The move comes after hard lockdowns were instituted in the communities of both Binjari and nearby Rockhole on Saturday night.
“Residents of Binjari and Rockhole no longer have the five reasons to leave their homes,” said Northern Territory chief minister, Michael Gunner, referring to the country’s five allowable reasons to avoid lockdown (buying food and supplies, exercising for up to two hours, care or caregiving, work or education if it can’t be done from home, and to get vaccinated at the nearest possible location).
“They can only leave for medical treatment, in an emergency, or as required by law.”
“It’s highly likely that more residents will be transferred to Howard Springs today, either as positive cases or close contacts,” he continued, adding “We have already identified 38 close contacts from Binjari but that number will go up. Those 38 are being transferred now.”
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Will they be killed in gas chambers if they don’t obey quarantine rules? If not, please don’t analogize it to Nazi death camps.
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There’s this little thing called Google that allows us to find things. Don’t know if you’ve heard of it. Your selective editing completely mischaracterizes the context of the story. But what else should we expect? Looney Tunes is as Looney Tunes does.
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No searching necessary. I posted a link to the article in the comment for you Elmer.
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The search was necessary because you left out the entire context. You made it sound like a town was being locked up. It was far from that.
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Again: Agreed!
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The writer in the quarantine camp is making the best of the situation. Unlike camps in Nazi Germany, he is not en route to a death camp. He’s cheerful because he is undergoing a necessary quarantine and will soon be home. Your analogy is as bad as RFK Jr comparing the treatment of anti-vaxxed to victims of the Holocaust.
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Is this Science?
https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/23/at-a-time-when-the-u-s-needed-covid-19-dialogue-between-scientists-francis-collins-moved-to-shut-it-down/
“Collins appeared on television this week to confirm that the email was authentic, and that he stood by the message. At the time, he believed the Great Barrington Declaration idea of focused protection would result in more deaths than the alternative view of one-size-fits all restrictions. Collins also confirmed that he believed the three authors of the declaration were “fringe” scientists.”
….and who are these fringe scientists?
Sunetra Gupta is a Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology at the Oxford University Department of Zoology.[19
Gupta has dismissed claims of having a right-wing perspective, claiming to be “more Left than Labour”.[22]
Martin Kulldorff is a professor of medicine and biostatistician at Harvard University.
Jay Bhattacharya is a professor of medicine at Stanford University whose research focuses on the economics of health care.
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Does Francis Collins have any training in public health? Not really…
“Collins is a physician-geneticist noted for his landmark discoveries of disease genes and his leadership of the international Human Genome Project, which culminated in April 2003 with the completion of a finished sequence of the human DNA instruction book.”
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Do you realize that the “signatories” on the Great Barrington Declaration included the very well-known British doctor Dr Harold Shipman — well known as a serial killer who killed more than 200 of his patients who was arrested in the late 1990s.
Other “medical signers” included Dr. I.P. Freely, Dr. Person Fakename and Dr. Johnny Bananas.
There were also 18 homeopaths and more than 100 therapists — hypnotherapists, massage therapists, even a therapeutic sound practitioner.
In other words, the people who sponsored the Great Barrington Declaration wildly exaggerated the number of signatories who were supposed to be “knowledgeable” about pandemics and medicine in order to get people like you to believe that their ideas had significant support throughout the scientific and medical community, when it was a FRINGE group.
Groups that have to exaggerate don’t deserve any credibility. It is the OPPOSITE of what real scientists do. They do careful research and make only warranted conclusions instead of exaggerated conclusions.
It’s like whining that Fauci won’t sit down and talk Dr. Mollie James, the Iowa doctor who pushes Ivermectin and says COVID vaccines are a bad idea.
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Jay Bhattacharya?? If he wasn’t associated with a right wing think tank and benefiting from the privilege of pleasing them with his research, he would have already been discredited for the flawed and improperly run COVID antibody study he did.
“A Stanford University professor’s wife invited parents in a wealthy enclave of Northern California to sign up for her husband’s coronavirus antibody study this month, falsely claiming that an “FDA approved” test would tell them if they had immunity and could “return to work without fear,” according to an email obtained by BuzzFeed News.
The email, sent to a listserv for Ardis G. Egan Junior High School in the city of Los Altos on Thursday, April 2, advertised a study set to begin the next day. With the subject line “COVID-19 antibody testing – FREE,” the email described how participants could gain “peace of mind” and “know if you are immune.” The results would help researchers calculate the virus’s spread throughout the surrounding county of Santa Clara, according to the message sent by Catherine Su, a radiation oncologist married to Jay Bhattacharya, the Stanford professor of medicine leading the study.”
Do you know how Bhattacharya defended himself? By demonizing the reporter who was reporting factual information about what his wife did which clearly was improper in such a study. By characterizing that as going after his family even though it was no such thing, to get Trump supporters to direct their hatred toward a reporter that this poor doctor says “went after his family”. Shameful kind of guy.
I give my credibility to scientists who say “I’m sorry, I was wrong.” Not, “how dare someone point out I was wrong, how can I demonize them and make people hate them.”
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Yaron says stuff like “Politics is all about taxes.” And “NY is probably in just as bad shape as Ca when it comes to outward migration. Another liberal dump.” And “Have fun in the Nancy Pelosi utopia.”
He recommends Michael Shellenberger, who basically is a climate change denier.
His comments have led others to see him as “A troll from AZ.”
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Good morning all! Sorry I was busy attending to a 5 year old and 1.5 year probably Covid sick kids last night as my wife tested positive a couple of days ago. I wasn’t able to really get any rest so I’m just going to lay low today. Especially since this forum I starting to devolve into personal attacks. No bueno.
On a side note, I guess we will find out with my house being a test case as to which is better, the theory of natural immunity to Covid which was basically cancelled by Fauci and the gang in favor of the vaccine industry profits, or vaccinated immunity which my wife already tested positive and had symptoms of the flu and was vaccinated in April.
The data is pretty clear but we’ll let you guys know the results of our experiment 😂
“However a recent Israeli study shows that natural immunity is 13 times more effective than vaccines in protecting individuals. “SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccines had a 13-fold increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected.”
Hope everyone has a nice day ✌️
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Yaron, you left out this part of the new study, quoted from The Times of Israel:
“The authors of the paper warned, however, against depending on infection as a strategy, given the higher risks to unvaccinated persons who weren’t previously infected of hospitalization, long-term impacts, and death, compared to vaccinated people.
“Indeed, by November 30, 2021, some 131,000 residents of California and New York had died from COVID-19, the two states the paper, which used statistical modeling, was based on.
“Viruses are constantly changing, including the virus that causes COVID-19,” the CDC said in a statement.
“The level of protection offered by vaccination and surviving a previous infection changed during the study period. Vaccination remains the safest strategy for protecting against COVID-19,” it added.”
The lesson: what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.
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Great, so you can tell all the children that were locked up for the last two years, not able to play with friends, get a proper education, isolated from friends, and masked up sometimes outdoors, that we chose the NIH/CDC/ big Pharma revolving door hypothesis over Jay Bhattacharya’s, because he is “right wing”.
Even though he is one of the most published authors on this topic.
Speech pathologists are seeing 300 percent increases in patients this year because guess what, babies and toddlers need to see our faces to learn.
Not to mention the incidence of vaccine injury which in boys is as high as 1-2000 for myocarditis. Kids are going to grow up seeing other kids that were injured by these vaccines.
Was it worth it when less than 750 kids under this age of 17 have died in the US time will tell.
But following pharma.gov coordinated propaganda message blindly like this is odd to say the least.
The ramifications of what we have done will be felt for generations.
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Yaron-
Sign a waiver for health care.
If you and your family decide against vaccines, don’t go to the hospital if you get sick. Two reasons- the cost raises other people’s premiums.
Take responsibility for your own costs. Second reason, with the scarcity of hospital beds, people who need the beds as stroke patients etc. and have been vaccinated deserve them.
2000 people a day are dying of Covid. When just 7 people had a problem that might have been linked to the one of the vaccines, the program was shut down for review.
96% of doctors have been vaccinated. Only 12 individuals are spreading the false info. about vaccines. You are going out of your way to find them.
If the U.S. only has 4% of its current doctors because all of the others die from the Covid vaccine, would the U.S. be a good place for any of us to live?
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I assume you are unvaxxed. I assume you are very supportive of the Orthodox Jewish enclaves where – long before this pandemic – the anti-vax movement was very strong and there were outbreaks of measles.
Did you help promote to the parents of this country not to get vaccinated because there weren’t enough deaths to show that measles vaccines were pharma.gov propaganda?
What happens too frequently is that the people who are anti-vax demand to be first in line for healthcare.
You think your kids’ pediatrician is brainwashed by pharma.gov? All vaccines are evil? Or do you have the same double standard for the COVID vaccine as you have for Supreme Court Justices who aren’t white?
What happens to the kids who don’t die from COVID but have long term health problems?
This isn’t about breakthrough cases. It is about whether breakthrough cases will be milder than cases of COVID in unvaxxed people.
It is about whether breakthrough cases of COVID will strain hospital resources so that kids like yours who don’t have your privilege and don’t demand to be first in line, and their families, can get medical treatment.
Survival of the richest is fine with those who are the richest. Some of us get vaccinated and wear masks because we understand that this is about more than ourselves.
I wish your family the best of health and a speedy recovery. I wish your family has some respect for the overworked and overtaxed nurses and doctors and hospital personnel who are the ones bearing the real cost of the unvaxxed, who now absorb hospital resources disproportionate to their number.
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Early treatments have been suppressed from the start of the pandemic for some reason💰💰💰 Here is a couple of hero doctors in riverside, Ca who have successfully administered “the horse drug” to over 7,000 immigrants who work the fields and meat packing companies.
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/letters_to_editor/drs-fareed-and-tyson-followed-the-science-and-saved-hundreds-of-lives/article_a2f8f8e2-6765-11ec-af86-7bb4a9ad8d80.html
https://mobile.twitter.com/us_fda/status/1429050070243192839?lang=en
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Hello all,
While we are on the topic of genocide and forced internment, we can’t forget what is happening to the Uighur Muslims in what is soon to be the worlds most powerful nation and our number one trading partner. 🇨🇳
Im sure you all know the story…forced sterilization of females, people getting beaten, 1000 year old religious artifacts and sites getting destroyed by the government.
All being allowed to happen because the West is completely distracted by constant propaganda which has caused deep anxiety in almost half of the population to the point where we locked ourselves in our own homes for over a year.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/military-leaders-saw-pandemic-as-unique-opportunity-to-test-propaganda-techniques-on-canadians-forces-report-says/wcm/8d7dc4b0-cf3b-425e-ab86-a35879ff5644/amp/
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