Trump is a sore loser. Will we ever see the last of him?
It seems he’ll be with us forever, his legacy revealed by the stories that his former aides tell about what they saw during his four madcap years.
The latest is contained in a story in The New York Times. It seems that the famous xenophobe Stephen Miller cooked up a campaign season plan to close the border by stationing 250,000 troops there. Trump loved the idea. It would show that he’s a tough guy and would achieve his goal of ending immigration on our southern border.
But Defense Secretary Mark Esper shot down the idea. He thought it was “outrageous.” A quarter million troops was “more than half the active U.S. Army, and a sixth of all American forces — to the southern border in what would have been the largest use of the military inside the United States since the Civil War.”
The idea was batted around but Secretary Esper was adamantly opposed. Trump and his minions also considered a proposal to send troops into Mexico to hunt down members of drug cartels, but backed when they became persuaded that it would be considered an act of war to send our military across the border of another country, uninvited.
After a brief but contentious confrontation with Mr. Miller in the Oval Office, Mr. Esper ended consideration of the idea at the Pentagon.
Mr. Trump’s obsession with the southern border was already well known by that time. He had demanded a wall with flesh-piercing spikes, repeatedly mused about a moat filled with alligators, and asked about shooting migrants in the leg as they crossed the border. His aides considered a heat-ray that would make migrants’ skin feel hot.
Around the same time that officials considered the huge deployment to the American side of the border with Mexico, Mr. Trump also pressed his top aides to send forces into Mexico itself to hunt drug cartels, much like American commandos have tracked and killed terrorists in Afghanistan or Pakistan, the officials said.
Mr. Trump hesitated only after aides suggested that to most of the world, military raids inside Mexico could look like the United States was committing an act of war against one of its closest allies, which is also its biggest trading partner, the officials said…
But taken together, the ideas under discussion that spring underscore the Trump administration’s view of the armed forces as a tool of the presidency that could be wielded on behalf of Mr. Trump’s domestic political agenda in an election year…
Wiser heads than Trump or Miller recognized how unhinged these proposals were:
If Mr. Trump had gone through with the troop deployment, it would have represented a force two and a half times the size of the 100,000 American troops in Afghanistan at the height of the 20-year war in that country. It would have also dwarfed the American presence in Iraq during the war there: The maximum number of troops in Iraq at any time was about 170,000.
It is unclear how the Defense Department could have managed such a deployment. The U.S. Army has about 481,000 active-duty soldiers, but many are already deployed around the world, as are thousands of Marines, airmen and other troops. Sending 250,000 troops to the border — much of which crosses difficult, undeveloped lands — would also have required an enormous logistical effort to house and feed the troops.
In the original version of this post, i said that Nixon told the press when he resigbed, ”You wont have Nixon to kick around anymore.” Tom Ultican caught my error. Nixon said this when he lost the California governor’s race in 1962.

Nixon made his famous statement in 1962, after he lost his race for California governor.
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Unfortunately, he came back a few years later.
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You are right and I fixed it
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Next Nazi fantasy they are pushing is …….locks on front doors of every house.
These selfish Nazis have no shame.
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“You won’t have Dick Nixon to kick around anymore” is from his 1962 loss in California governor’s race—not his resignation from the presidency.
t.l.
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The dumpster is a very sick person, if one can really call him a “person.” .
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The ed reform plan for accountablity for the private schools they’re publicly funding is out:
https://www.the74million.org/article/garnett-empowering-parents-with-more-and-better-schools-guidelines-for-expanding-private-school-choice-programs-and-making-them-accountable/
They’ll continue to administer tests and rankings and mandates for the public schools they (ideologically) disfavor, while exempting the publicly funded private schools they (ideologically) favor.
Public schools should reject this. Its a blatant anti-public school bias and it’s intended to put public schools on a less favorable playing field than private schools.
If public school students are subjected to the testing and ranking and measuring and grim, joyless mandates of the ed reform “movement” the voucher schools they promote should be too. They’re setting up governance systems that disfavor public schools and promote the schools they prefer. That isn’t fair to our students.
People who oppose the existence of public schools should not be directing what happens in them. That is a raw deal for public school students.
https://www.the74million.org/article/garnett-empowering-parents-with-more-and-better-schools-guidelines-for-expanding-private-school-choice-programs-and-making-them-accountable/
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If Trump ever gained absolute power in the U.S., he’d end up being the Pol Pot of America.
“The death toll in Cambodia under Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot was most likely between 1.2 million and 2.8 million — or between 13 percent and 30 percent of the country’s population at the time — according to a forthcoming article by a UCLA demographer.”
But, Traitor Trump as another Pol Pot would make sure his “killing fields” were greater than the original Pol Pot. My estimate is that Traitor Trump as an absolute leader for life would have about half of the U.S. population killed while sending tweets to his killing squads telling those MAGA goons how much he loves them.
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BINGO, Lloyd.
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You do know that the Current Occupant revived the Remain in Mexico policy that he excoriated as a candidate, right? And that he’s on track to deport even more people than Obama did? And that kids are still in cages?
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Two falsehoods by our resident purveyor of right wing propaganda on here who is very angry that black churches and Kamala Harris aren’t being prosecuted for IRS violations.
If anyone is most responsible for Trump’s remain in Mexico program, if was the people who said it didn’t mater one iota to them if a right wing Supreme Court and federal judiciary took over the country because what was most important was defeating the evil Democrats.
NBC News, October 15, 2021
“After having lost a legal battle, the Biden administration tentatively plans a mid-November restart of a Trump-era policy that forces migrants seeking asylum to wait in Mexico for their U.S. immigration court hearings, according to a court filing late Thursday.
President Joe Biden had ended the Trump administration’s “Remain in Mexico” policy when he took office this year, saying it was inhumane because of the violence migrants faced waiting in Mexico for their court hearings.
Texas and Missouri sued the Biden administration in April over the suspension of Remain in Mexico, which is formally known as the Migrant Protection Protocols, or MPP. In August, a federal judge in Texas ordered the Biden administration to reinstate the policy pending the outcome of the suit.
The Biden administration fought the order but lost in federal appeals court and in the Supreme Court and then said it would comply with the court’s order.”
I can’t think of anything more disgusting than the people who were fine with the far right takeover of the Supreme Court blaming Biden when the far right Supreme Court has the very effect we all told this poster it would have but this poster said it didn’t matter to her then. Now she blames Biden??
If you want to place blame, look in the mirror. This country could have had a Supreme Court that supported democracy and progressive values and didn’t work against it. Anyone who cared about that voted for the Democrat and those who didn’t kept telling us throughout 2016 that it didn’t matter.
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dienne77 says:
“You do know that the Current Occupant revived the Remain in Mexico policy that he excoriated as a candidate, right?”
dienne77 has been continually able to post right wing propaganda on here.
Sometimes I try to ignore the lies, but sometimes, like this time, they are so blatantly designed to smear the Democrats right before the election, that I feel obligated to correct the record.
But I am not interested in being a fact-checker. When someone has a long history of trying to mislead readers on this blog by posting nasty things about how Kamala Harris and black churches are lawbreakers and how Biden “revived” the Remain in Mexico policy and how the Biden administration is doing the same thing to migrant kids that Trump did, then I believe they need to be marginalized.
I try to post the truth. When someone says I am wrong, I check my facts and I will acknowledge my errors. My intention is not to mislead.
But it is clear from dienne77’s posts that her intent is to mislead. How else to explain “You do know that the Current Occupant revived the Remain in Mexico policy that he excoriated as a candidate, right?”
I didn’t know the facts, so I would have believed someone who stated this for the record with such confidence. I actually felt shocked to hear that Biden did this.
But I did know the history of this person and so I knew to check for myself before feeling outrage. But I have no doubt that many readers believed this, just like I did (for a minute) until I realized who had posted it.
Diane, I think that unless people who are called out when they post things that are blatantly untrue acknowledge that they are wrong, they should not be allowed to post without some warning to readers that this post is from someone who posts misleading “facts” and never corrects them. That isn’t a genuine poster concerned about public education. That is a purveyor of propaganda.
“You do know that the Current Occupant revived the Remain in Mexico policy that he excoriated as a candidate, right?”
That’s really shocking and makes you hate Biden, right? Unless you know the facts.
This poster made a reply that was clearly designed to make us believe that Biden intentionally chose to revive the Remain in Mexico policy because he wanted to – it was posted to get people to believe that Biden can’t be trusted. The truth was that the Biden administration DID end it and has been fighting to keep in ended, all the way to the Supreme Court which ordered the Biden administration to revive it.
And despite having their hands tied, the Biden administration has been looking for ways to do it more humanely while figuring out a way to legally end it.
Don’t trust Biden, he’ll sell you out and he lies is right wing propaganda. There should be a warning on all posts by people whose intention is to amplify right wing propaganda in the hopes that more people will turn against the Democrats and that will help the Republicans win.
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Washington Post, August 24, 2021
“The Supreme Court on Tuesday said the Biden administration must comply with a lower court’s ruling to reinstate President Donald Trump’s policy that required many asylum seekers to wait outside the United States for their cases to be decided.
The administration had asked the court to put on hold a federal judge’s order that the “Remain in Mexico” policy known as Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP) had to be immediately reimplemented. U.S. District Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk ruled earlier this month that the Biden administration did not provide an adequate reason for getting rid of the policy and that its procedures regarding asylum seekers who enter the country were unlawful.
OVER THE OBJECTIONS OF THE THREE LIBERAL JUSTICES, the court’s conservative majority agreed that the administration had not done enough to justify changing the policy.”
People who didn’t vote to have a Democrat appoint Supreme Court Justices in 2016 are more to blame than Biden. And most of the people who didn’t vote to have a Democrat appoint Supreme Court Justices are thrilled at decisions like this one and others. I don’t know if the person who blamed Biden is someone who loves this decision by the Supreme Court or doesn’t, but certainly those who didn’t vote for a President who would have nominated progressive justices like Ginsburg are far more to blame than Biden.
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You do know that the Current Occupant revived the Remain in Mexico policy that he excoriated as a candidate, right? And that he’s on track to deport even more people than Obama did? And that kids are still in cages?
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You do know that the AP fact checked the “kids in cages” claims and reported that this was just another right wing meme — like other posts you have made here — and false.
“Following the announcement of the reopening, conservative commentators and Republicans [and those who pretend to be progressives who post the right wing propaganda on Diane Ravitch] swiftly accused the Biden administration of hypocrisy.
“‘Kids in cages’” are now called migrant facilities aka migrant summer camps SMH,” reads one Facebook post.
“THEY AREN’T CALLED ’KIDS IN CAGES ANYMORE…THEY’RE CALLED MIGRANT CHILDREN IN OVERFLOW FACILITIES…BECAUSE ONE OF THE GUYS THAT BUILT THE CAGES IS *PRESIDENT NOW,” reads another popular post, though in fact, in the case of Carrizo Springs, the facility was opened by Trump.
The posts are missing the context that the controversy over “kids in cages” that emerged during the Trump administration was largely focused on the policy of separating families and then holding children in enclosures partitioned with chain-link fencing. In many cases, authorities failed to keep records to reunite families.”
The Biden Administration is taking UNACCOMPANIED minors and holding them while foster parents or some other longer term placement is found for them — instead of sending them back to Mexico as Trump and his fan base want. Or maybe losing their paperwork and have them disappear (to traffickers?) as Trump did
It is shocking to read the posts of someone who believes that tearing kids from parents and losing track of them is no different than Biden providing shelter for unaccompanied minors who cross the border and working to find more permanent placements for them.
It’s like saying that a right wing Supreme Court is no different than one with more justices like Ruth Bader Ginsburg. It is this poster’s right to believe that, but like Ted Cruz and Ron DeSantos, it is long past time for people who post right wing propaganda lies to be condemned and marginalized. Not taken seriously because “this time what Ted Cruz and Donald Trump and dienne77 say is really going to be true and not just right wing propaganda”.
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Kids are still in cages is also a right wing meme. My longer post explains why. But anyone should feel free to believe the person who was more bothered by a Democrat being elected than bothered by Trump appointing Supreme Court justices and federal judges.
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Thank you NYC psp for presenting the truth and the facts as opposed to the propaganda from D-77.
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dienne: Just your luck, the Fickle Finger of WordPress printed your 2:11pm post twice, so you got dished out a double serving of nycpsp replies! 😀
…I note you did not counter them, so I assume you forgot to fact-check your original post… 😦
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bethree5,
There is an interesting and important discussion to be had about the best policies to have when dealing with migrants, unaccompanied migrant children, and US immigration policy.
But people like the above poster don’t want that. Every policy has downsides – right now the Biden administration is being excoriated whenever they have overcrowded facilities for unaccompanied migrants and being attacked by those who say that the Biden policy of allowing them to remain in the US is causing more parents to send their kids alone! So what is the answer?
It’s like Afghanistan. The very same people who spent years blaming Democrats for being “warmongers” then screamed that Biden didn’t get out of Afghanistan “the right way”. Of course, barring that tens of thousands new troops were sent to Afghanistan, there wasn’t a “right way” — and when anyone who said there was had to answer questions it was clear that their plans always involved staying until that time when Afghanistan would be the perfect peaceful democracy – forever.
I see this with school policy, too. Right wingers get parents to join them in attacking schools without offering anything but a far worse option.
Democrats try to fix complicated issues. The far right gets their propaganda trolls to blame them for not fixing the complicated issue perfectly, and saying that the very big improvements that the Democrats made to address that problem are the same as the Republicans either not addressing the problem at all or exacerbating it.
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So true. You didn’t see Republicans coming up with ‘comprehensive immigration policy’ legislation then or now. All talk, no walk. Of course neither did Dems– maybe because it’s a super-complex challenge that so far nobody can get a handle on [yet]. Dems do some mud-slinging, but it’s nothing like the barrage of rw media tripe where every issue gets tagged with ‘Biden- open borders.’ I hear the faux-watchers repeating these memes daily on CSPANS’s am call-in show.
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Former President Trump recently launched his own personal social media platform where he will have many opportunities to spread his vitriol and disinformation. Ironically, it is called TRUTH. You just can’t make this stuff up.https://techcrunch.com/2021/10/20/trump-launches-his-own-social-media-platform-truth-social/
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That new site will be my go-to place for accurate, investigative reporting.
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I am reminded of something I read either here or over at WaPo about these social media groups: members get the idea they are part of some “silent majority,” rather than a tiny but loud minority.
#45 will work hard through his new platform to “build back bigger.” Even though I read his 74million to 81million [9%] popular loss to Biden as LARGE (as prez elections go), & even larger, electoral-college-wise. We Dems must capitalize on that & turn out the vote in biggest numbers possible.
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Trump is still spreading the lie that he won the election. And yet there are certain people who say that the Ds are no better than the Rs, that they are equivalent. Spare me the garbage and nonsense. Biden is not a variant of Trump, not even close. Trump is a pustule on the body politic of this country and he encouraged, aided and abetted an insurrection of the democratic processes of the government. The scary part is that he could run again in 2024 and might win.
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The people who say that the Ds are no better than the Rs are Steve Bannon/Peter Thiel trolls — you will notice they don’t post on Trump-supporting sites telling people they are idiots for supporting Republicans because Republicans will just join with democrats to impose their Democratic policies. They WANT Republicans to believe that voting for Republicans will get them what they want. And they want voters who would otherwise vote for Democrats not to vote for Democrats so that Republicans are empowered.
It is abundantly clear that Bernie Sanders, AOC and the squad know that the Ds are very much better than the Rs.
It is abundantly clear that the people who say there is no difference hate democracy. Soon their trolling will be obsolete since anyone who doesn’t support the right wing agenda will not be allowed to vote anyway.
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Looking back through history I have often wondered at the power of a sick and destructive excuse for a leader to lead so many to abandon their humanity and to plunge headlong even gleefully into perdition, dragging their whole society down with them. I can only guess at the source of that power. Does the sickness itself attune the demagogue to the sickness in the hearts of others, which can be exploited to gain power over them? Maybe it’s that.
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The secret? Fear. The most powerful motivation in history is fear. For most of the early national period, abolitionism attracted people like Ralph Waldo Emerson. He and the other Boston intellects were passionate and lonely. Then the Free Soil movement arose. Its motivation was the fear that grandchildren of the free farmers of the north would be out competed for land in the Mexican Territory as slaveholders expanded their domains at the expense of the free. Suddenly, the opposition to slavery was galvanized around this fear.
Perhaps there was something to it. Slavery had asserted itself in the Dred Scott decision. The Compromise of 1850 had deputized the free states to hunt the fugitive slaves. Free soilers looked to the south and feared for their economic future.
And in the South, the poor white looked to the north and feared the advancing hoards of people, scrambling over each other in rising cities that challenged the layered social order. The economic elite feard for their loss of money and power. The poor white feared the truth, that he was no better than the African he knew well and despised, at least until he wanted to learn a new tune from a friend who was Black, and that was different. He was all right. But those others…
Fear is where motivation lies, and tyrants use it well. Thus Roosevelt had to remind us: “the only thing to fear is fear itself.” And he was right.
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Jon Awbrey– “Does the sickness itself attune the demagogue to the sickness in the hearts of others, which can be exploited to gain power over them?”
In short, yes. The demagogue is a personality-disordered being, in psychological terms. Whether due to abusive upbringing or genetics, this type is a predator, vulnerable himself and highly sensitive to vulnerability in others– able to push buttons that reproduce in others the fear they themselves felt growing up, or simply gifted by genetics with the algorithms to calculate the odds of actions/ words that accrue personal power.
Roy makes a point: the sickness can be called “fear.” I would add a nuance: we’re talking about fear in the short term: where is my next meal coming from? Will the developments up North [or down South], in the near future, threaten my livelihood? For most, due to lack of life experience/ age, typically absent is the long view, i.e. where things will head depending on govtl policy choices. Those with children and grandchildren—and intelligence, and/or education in history—will calculate the longer odds.
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My first reaction to #45/ Mini-Me Miller’s insane ramblings was to laugh out loud at the utter mania of these border-policy “brain”storms… but sobered up quick as I thought of how his depraved cultists would have cheered him on… and the lackadaisical Congress who gave up on enforcing declarations of war for such moves many decades ago… Just one little Sec’y of Defense, appointed by #45, at that point just a Trump-chump who’d cleaned up #45’s mess re: w/dwl of NATO troops from Germany, & delayed protecting his troops from covid per his master’s voice, finally found his guts. Thank god the guy had broad military background so a grasp of history & ‘norms.’
The more this type of inside knowledge hits the press, the more grateful I am of the many bullets we managed to dodge 2016-2020. Hopefully other Dem voters are reading closely & will turn out in gross numbers in ’22 and ’24.
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