I am not a foreign policy expert. Some who read this blog are experienced military veterans, and your views are far better informed than mine. I am sharing my personal opinion here. I welcome you to respond.
Trump made a deal with the Taliban to withdraw all American forces from Afghanistan by May 2020. Biden inherited that agreement and shifted the exit date to August 31, 2021. Knowing that we were leaving, the Taliban moved rapidly to regain control of the country, district by district.
Kori Schake, who worked for the George W. Bush administration in the State Department and the National Security Council, wrote in the New York Times that Trump’s deal with the Taliban was “disgraceful.”
She wrote that:
The problem was that the strongest state in the international order let itself be swindled by a terrorist organization. Because we so clearly wanted out of Afghanistan, we agreed to disreputable terms, and then proceeded to pretend that the Taliban were meeting even those.
Mr. Trump agreed to withdraw all coalition forces from Afghanistan in 14 months, end all military and contractor support to Afghan security forces and cease “intervening in its domestic affairs.” He forced the Afghan government to release 5,000 Taliban fighters and relax economic sanctions. He agreed that the Taliban could continue to commit violence against the government we were there to support, against innocent people and against those who’d assisted our efforts to keep Americans safe. All the Taliban had to do was say they would stop targeting U.S. or coalition forces, not permit Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations to use Afghan territory to threaten U.S. security and subsequently hold negotiations with the Afghan government.
Not only did the agreement have no inspection or enforcement mechanisms, but despite Mr. Trump’s claim that “If bad things happen, we’ll go back with a force like no one’s ever seen,” the administration made no attempt to enforce its terms. Trump’s own former national security adviser called it “a surrender agreement.”
Biden has accepted responsibility for the chaotic evacuation. He reset the exit date to August 31, and he rejected the pleas of our allies to push the date back a month or two to allow an orderly exit and save more lives. Consequently, an unknown number of American citizens will be left behind, as will many thousands of Afghans who helped us and whose lives (and those of their families) are now in danger.
It’s easy to second-guess the decisions of other people after the fact. But consider this article by Jonathan Guyer in The American Prospect about “The Unheeded Dissent Cable.”
It begins:
A month before the Taliban stormed Afghanistan’s capital, two dozen diplomats in the U.S. embassy in Kabul sent a memo to the State Department warning of imminent collapse. The July 13 dissent cable warned Secretary of State Tony Blinken that the Taliban’s takeover of Kabul would quickly follow a U.S. withdrawal. They said an urgent plan to evacuate Afghan partners was needed.
It was a message that never reached the White House and the National Security Council, which was coordinating President Biden’s directive to end the 20-year war in Afghanistan.
Indeed, National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan only learned about the memo after it was reported in The Wall Street Journal, a month after it had been sent, according to three well-placed sources who spoke anonymously because they were not authorized to discuss the dissent cable.
It’s a lapse that reflects how centralized power in Biden’s orbit has constrained necessary communication among the country’s top national-security leaders.
Beyond the poor communication, I wonder why Biden went along with Trump’s promise to the Taliban. He had already reversed others, like Trump’s absurd decision to leave the Paris climate accord. Biden could have left 5,000 troops in the country to maintain stability. We left many more troops in South Korea, Japan, and Germany, not to wage war but to support our allies in maintaining the peace.
But if we go back to the beginning, twenty years ago, we discover that this was a completely unnecessary war. At the time, the media reported that the Taliban offered to hand Osama bin Ladin over to a third country if only we would stop bombing them. But President George W. Bush and his Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld rejected the offer. They wanted war, not negotiations.
Alissa J. Rubin reported a few days ago in the New York Times, in an article titled “Did the Afghanistan War Have to Happen?”:
Taliban fighters brandished Kalashnikovs and shook their fists in the air after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, defying American warnings that if they did not hand over Osama Bin Laden, their country would be bombed to smithereens.
The bravado faded once American bombs began to fall. Within a few weeks, many of the Taliban had fled the Afghan capital, terrified by the low whine of approaching B-52 aircraft. Soon, they were a spent force, on the run across the arid mountain-scape of Afghanistan. As one of the journalists who covered them in the early days of the war, I saw their uncertainty and loss of control firsthand.
It was in the waning days of November 2001 that Taliban leaders began to reach out to Hamid Karzai, who would soon become the interim president of Afghanistan: They wanted to make a deal.The TalibanAnswers to questions about the militants who have seized control in Afghanistan again
“The Taliban were completely defeated, they had no demands, except amnesty,” recalled Barnett Rubin, who worked with the United Nations’ political team in Afghanistan at the time.
Messengers shuttled back and forth between Mr. Karzai and the headquarters of the Taliban leader, Mullah Muhammad Omar, in Kandahar. Mr. Karzai envisioned a Taliban surrender that would keep the militants from playing any significant role in the country’s future.
But Washington, confident that the Taliban would be wiped out forever, was in no mood for a deal.
“The United States is not inclined to negotiate surrenders,” Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld said in a news conference at the time, adding that the Americans had no interest in leaving Mullah Omar to live out his days anywhere in Afghanistan. The United States wanted him captured or dead.
Had the Bush administration taken the deal, there would have been no war.
This was a tragedy: for the Afghan people, especially women and girls; for those Afghans who wanted to build a new society; and for the American service members who were maimed or lost their lives.

Wow. I am 23 years old so when the war started, I was way too young to understand what was happening. Even throughout my years in high school we were never taught how the war started, aside from 9/11, and why it continues. My only education about Afghanistan came in the form of novels.
Ironically, the more I learn about the war and the current crisis, the more unbelievable it all feels. I just pray that as many Afghanistan citizens and citizens from other countries can evacuate the country as safely as possible.
Thank you for sharing this important news and working to educate those of us who have not gotten a chance to learn about the current war.
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This was NEVER going to end well and it’s why no President wanted to take on the task. Biden has done his best considering all the circumstances. There was always a very high probability of attacks and deaths as withdraw proceeded. It has not gone well and it is heartbreaking to watch, but this is what happens when an unwarranted war is ending with no winners.
Leave 5,000 American troops there?…..absolutely NO! We would have more than just 13 dead soldiers if we had done this and many more Afghani citizens killed. The defense contractors packed up their “secret spy tools” months ago and left for safety ( with much $$$ in their coffers accrued over the 20 years). Sure, Afghani Special Forces (and the remaining US military personnel) are/were left with military planes/ equipment/ munitions, but without the “technology” to use them properly, they are sitting ducks. Just imagine a fire engine showing up at your house fire with no hoses or ladders but plenty of men to fight the fire….but with your own measly garden hose attached to your burning house. This is the scenario left for the Afghani Special Forces and it’s sad.
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What is disgraceful, (not a strong enough term), is that Bush invaded AND occupied Afghanistan in the first place. But that wasn’t enough for the Bush mafia; without even properly securing the Afghanistan debacle Bush goes ahead and invades and occupies Iraq. As an added “bonus,” Bush reduced taxes during a time of wars. Two wars and occupations that did not need to happen. Biden is doing the right thing by getting us out of Afghanistan, it would have probably been a nasty and bloody withdrawal no matter how we managed it.
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Waging war lines the pockets of military-industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about. We should not be so easily led by corrupt politicians. Our nerves and judgment were raw and poor after 9/11.
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Novels like Hosseini’s A Thousand Splendid Suns is a good place to learn what it is like for women in Afghanistan. Also, more generally the book and movie Charlie Wilson’s War shows how we helped the mujahideen overthrow the Russians. Then they used our weapons against us. Afghanistan: A Cultural and Political History by Thomas Barfield is a readable history of the country and people. Afghanistan has a long history of its leaders taking money from the overlords (mostly British) and selling out the people (other ethnic groups) that make up Afghanistan.
I wonder what the political hits Biden will take from this pullout. My guess is that the American people will forget about it in about 6 months.
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“ I’ve written a bunch on Afghanistan recently because, well, I’m a foreign policy guy and much of the narrative has, in my mind, been misleading. But important to remember that one key reason to leave is to shift our focus to critical priorities for the U.S.
The best way to make good on all those recent arguments about how the US needs to remain strong and a leader and safe is to make sure we now focus on:
–Defending democracy/voter rights
–Combatting COVID & the climate crisis
–Investing in American infrastructure & people“ (USA Public Schools)
David Rothkopf/The Rothkopf Group
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Hello Diane: About the “Unheeded Dissent Cable,” my first thought was about Trump’s leftover bureaucrats who, at the behest of Stephen Miller and his gang, were in the business of sabotaging the immigration of anyone from Afghanistan or the Middle East. My guess is there already are those who are looking into it.
Also, about Biden honoring Trump’s agreements with the Taliban but changing other policies: First, many in the news and elsewhere seem to FAIL to understand the difference between changing domestic policies and changing agreements with other countries.
Trump could pull out of international agreements made AND SIGNED by representatives of the United States (other presidents) apparently just by being President. He acted arbitrarily, and more like a king than a president who was working for honoring the commitments made by the United States regardless of their signatories.
This ability to change long standing international agreements at the whim of one person, or even half of Congress I see as a serious weakness of our democratic institutions . . . makes us look like we don’t stand by our agreements and that democracies are fundamentally arbitrary players on the international scene. In Trump’s world, we all looked like a bunch of racist ignoramuses in the midst of a mental and intellectual breakdown. INTERIOR domestic changes are another matter.
But I think Biden is an honorable man and, besides the practicalities of the matter which he has explained several times, he was probably trying to abide by agreements made to other countries by a US President, and not by Trump as such.
The other thing that bothers me about the whole Afghanistan thing is that the Press seems not to understand that they/we cannot know everything our government representatives are doing or planning as it unfolds during a war. You may remember the American Press in WWII who had a saying: “Loose lips sink ships.”
I’m not back on your blog and never read comments any more. I do still peruse your notes, however, and appreciate the information that flows through them. This one I thought I might respond to. I hope you are well. CBK
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Thank you, CBK. Miss you.
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In the first few years of the Trump administration, 60+ American soldiers were killed by the Taliban. Many more civilians were killed. This is how things would have continued. I fail to see how anything other than cutting the Taliban in would have resulted in fewer deaths. Afghanistan is not Japan, Germany or South Korea, obviously, so those comparisons don’t make much sense.
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The sooner we are out of not only Afghanistan but the rest of the countries we destroy the better.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/08/29/afghanistan-war-exit-joe-biden-critics-wrong/5639051001/
this is a great analysis, retweeted by mary trump this morning.
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I posted below before I read the link, but it is spot on. The pile on by the media about the nonexistent perfect way you withdraw from a country while evacuating millions of people and everything is peaceful and happy is so nonsensical to me. They have lost their minds.
I have noticed that journalists – even at so called “liberal” papers – have been so propagandized by the right wing talking points that they do not even ask those spouting it the obvious question?
So you wanted tens of thousands American soldiers sent back to Afghanistan – how many tens of thousands should have been sent? And if they become targets for terrorist attacks because the Taliban now isn’t holding their end of the deal either, are you good with that?
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I’m also not remotely a foreign policy expert, and I have no thoughts on how our long-term commitment in Afghanistan could have gone better. But let’s not forget that this was a thoroughly bipartisan war. And it seems to me that, regardless of what Trump did, the U.S. could have done a far better job of executing this withdrawal, both in terms of ensuring the safe departure of Afghan allies, and ensuring that U.S. weapons didn’t fall into Taliban hands on such a large scale.
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I am trying to wrap my head around everyone who thinks that the fact that 120,000+ people were safely evacuated from Afghanistan during the withdrawal “could have gone better”.
Only when a Democrat is in charge do we hear “it could have been much better” instead of praise of what went right. The people offering up things “Biden should have done” are offering the very same ideas that were considered by the administration and not done because they ALSO would have led to issues and very likely those problems would not have allowed them to run such a massive evacuation. (For example there was a huge incentive for both the Taliban and the terrorists to make sure the only airport in Kabul was not destroyed, but the air base that second guessers are now saying Biden should have used would have been a huge target and was hard to get to, and the number of evacuees would have most likely been a fraction of what it was).
Lots of people who say this and never get asked the obvious:
Every “suggestion” you offer up means sending thousands of new American troops into Afghanistan to be a target for terrorists, is that what you say Biden should have done, send troops back to Afghanistan indefinitely?
I think historians will actually judge this execution far better than the media scrum.
All of this talk of “great new plans” and “execution” reminds me of how Obamacare was attacked when the Republicans insisted it should be repealed.
There was supposedly a great Trump health care plan instead. But no one ever gave any details.
The posters who think this could have been executed better leave out the very important part that they mean an execution that required sending thousands if not tens of thousands of American troops back to Afghanistan. And as soon as there were soldier deaths as both the new terrorist organizations AND the Taliban were targeting American forces, those same people would say “but it could have been executed better” and “why did Biden send more soldiers to die when it was always going to end this way.”
There were 120,000+ people safely evacuated. Failure? I don’t know if evacuating Afghanistan was a good idea or not, but this was one of the better ways that evacuating a country that doesn’t want you there looks like.
Anyone remember the plan for America to welcome one million or maybe it is 2 million Afghan refugees during the evacuation? Anyone who wasn’t in favor of America remaining in Afghanistan indefinitely but did not offer up any plan for the US to take in every single man, woman and child in Afghanistan who wanted to come to America (2 million? 3 million?) accepted that millions would be left behind. Suddenly they profess concern?
Those that think 120,000 safe evacuations are a failure should state for the record what number would constitute a “success”.
I don’t understand why those who kept saying “US needs to leave Afghanistan now” forgot to mention the part that they now say was always part of their agenda “US needs to leave Afghanistan now but not before bringing one or two million Afghan refugees into this country first, so that by the time troops withdrawal, there won’t be anyone left at the airport to make us uncomfortable with our demand for withdrawal”. And I wish they would now go on record as to how many thousands of troops Biden should have sent back to Afghanistan so we could safely rescue the millions of Afghans who are going to suffer under the Taliban which they now say was always part of what they were demanding — Biden first had to bring all them to America and THEN he could withdraw the troops.
So let’s hear the plan that would have made this a “success” that doesn’t involve bringing thousands of new troops – or tens of thousands of new troops – back to Afghanistan. And bringing one or two million Afghan refugees to America before any of those troops are allowed to come home.
120,000+ safely evacuated is a “failure” when a democrat is in charge. Just like Obamacare is a failure. Because there is a better plan that someone promises to show us yesterday.
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At first, I was also thinking that Biden should have started the evacuation earlier. After the terror attack, I agree with you and think Biden will be considered on the right side of history. A longer evacuation would have been a larger target for terrorists with the potential for more lost lives.
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Did those 30 American diplomats explain how after 20 years they expected the fall of the Afghan Government to occur rapidly . You would think that anyone who had anything to do with this 20 year debacle would keep their mouths shut and be humble. That includes the Military leadership , the Diplomatic core , the Defense industry from Contractor to Manufacturer. It includes the Congress in both parties who were cheerleaders for our involvement. Especially those who saw military service as a boy scout badge on the path to a political career. And sadly all too many enlistees who saw the Armed forces as the only option economically. Many who paid the ultimate price and other who will pay a horrendous price for decades.
It includes the media Anchors,Humanitarian , Military and Foriegn Policy pundits who for the better part of 20 years forgot where Afghanistan was and now tell us heart wrenching stories of those we left behind. Tell us why we should never have left. . Ignoring the fact that 67,000 Afghan Civilians paid the ultimate price for this failed endeavor.
What is not said is that under normal circumstance those that helped us would view it as us helping them or a symbiotic relationship. But this was anything but normal, trying to create a national identity that clearly all too few had. They did not have it in the 70s nor do they have it today.
The Afghan Army collapsed without hardly firing a shot Tribal Leaders / and war lords took payoffs from the Taliban to put down their weapons and even switch sides. At what point would this have ever changed. Would it have been different last May or 20 years from now . . Those that say 5 or 7 thousand troops are picking that number out of their butt. Before Trump started the draw down there were close to 17,000 troops and 10s of thousands of contractors doing work that the military used to do before Bush privatized those functions.
Biden went under the reasonable assumption that this would be a Civilian withdrawal that the Afghan Army would last many months if not years. Went under the assumption that a panicked withdrawal would only cripple and hasten the fall of the Afghan Government putting those who had helped us at greater risk. In July as it became apparent that the Afghan Army was collapsing faster than expected he added troops to the equation and then more troops to the equation. But they were supposed be a deterrent to the Taliban entering Kabul ,not a substitute for the Afghan Army which collapsed in 11days .
Sure lets put 17,000 American servicemen back in. Lets see another few thousand American casualties another 60,000 Afghan civilians die over the next 20 years. But can we bring back the draft and limit call ups to one tour, so that Joe and Mika can have their children serve.
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Well said! Biden takes the loss of military lives very seriously unlike so many politicians that think of the military as chess pieces in a war game. Biden knows what it is to send a loved one off to war. Jen Psaki said that Biden carries around the names of the fallen service members in his jacket pocket as a reminder for the price of war.
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Joel,
Exactly!
And what is worse, if Biden had evacuated sooner, he wouild have been directly BLAMED for the collapse of the Afghan Army and the fall of the Afghan Government.
And those 20 diplomats — or self-serving folks just like them – would have produced the memo they wrote about how Biden should wait to evacuate because if he did not, Biden would be signalling that he had no faith in the Afghan Army and Afghan Government.
Those self-serving diplomats would say the ONLY reason the Afghan Army and Afghan Government fell was that Biden showed no faith in them by evacuating people too early! If only Biden had listened to them instead! They knew to wait.
I actually thought Biden threaded the needle quite well. As much as the right wing media propaganda tries, there is no way to blame Biden for the collapse of the Afghan Army and Government — that’s one false narrative the mainstream media hasn’t repeated. And the media absolutely would have repeated that false narrative – blaming Biden for the collapse of the Army and Government – if he had started evacuations earlier.
But instead, to prove they are “fair and balanced”, the mainstream media is repeating the right wing propaganda that it was the execution that was horrible, that there was “a better way”, that Biden “didn’t listen” to the people who knew that better way. And no one is actually asking what this better way is and how many thousands of American soldiers are they going to send back to execute it properly and when they rescue 500,000 Afghans, is America taking them? And what happens to the ones left behind?
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He confuses the boys as they hear his lines
The spell of spun-pleas tugs at their minds
He’s there to doop them all that he can
To make them feel part of the righteous plan
He smiles at the young soldiers
Tells them it’s their fight
He continues the myth of the forthcoming plight
Soon there’ll be blood and many will die
Mothers and fathers back home will wonder why
He mumbles some lines and ends with a smile
His orders are given
Feeding the MIC pipeline
He’s still behind it and he’ll regulate
But it won’t stop the bleeding or ease the hate
As the young men move out into the battle zone
He feels good, with money you’re never alone
He feels wired and eats his meds
Hopes the men won’t find outrage in the words that he said
You’re servants of Empire you must understand
The fate of your Emperor is in your young hands
May myths give you strength
Do your job real well
It continues to be worth it
The monied MIC is the tell
In the morning they return
With tears in their eyes
The stench of death drifts up to the skies
A soldier so ill looks in the mirror
Remembers the words
“Thou shalt not kill”
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“It was a message that never reached the White House and the National Security Council, which was coordinating President Biden’s directive to end the 20-year war in Afghanistan.”
Well, in the systems world this is a leverage point. A life-and-death leverage point.
you’d think the military being the military and all would have a protocol no matter who is in what office from whatever party to carry out it’s communications protocols
most quality teachers and leaders (teacher chairs, principals, etc.) strive to have systems in place so “If I am out – the classroom or school or district can run smoothly.” (or the proverbial – if I’m hit by a bus).
The previous person in the top seat (can’t use leader in reference to the ex-pres) left the place in shambles, no lines of communications, crony insiders in his silo, and mistrust everywhere.
So – either is #1 and someone stopped the chain of communication intentionally or #2 even with a military chain of communication – it was in a vacuum.
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I’m a former U.S. Marine and was sent to Vietnam in late 1965. I returned home to the states in December 1966.
At the end of the Vietnam War, about 7,000 people were evacuated by helicopter from various points in Saigon.
“Inside the South Vietnamese capital, U.S. ambassador Graham Martin rebuffed repeated calls to even consider an evacuation, let alone execute one.”
https://www.history.com/news/fall-of-saigon-timeline-vietnam-war
Before anyone climbs on the blame Biden wagon for what is happening in Kabul and Afghanistan, click that link and read what happened in Vietnam, and do not forget that I was sent to fight in that war when I was 20. What happened to me over there changed me and my life.
Because of that, I do not think like most Americans that never served in the military let alone fought in one of this country’s endless wars. I belong to two PTSD support groups through the VA and vet centers and I have never met one single combat vet that doesn’t think more like me.
Now, compare what happened in Vietnam with what is happening in Afghanistan.
Two days ago: https://www.reuters.com/world/evacuations-afghanistan-by-country-2021-08-26/
Four days ago: “Pulling the numbers from the daily updates shows that more than 100,000 people have been airlifted out of Afghanistan since Aug. 1. The White House refers to this total as the number of people the United States evacuated or whose evacuation it ‘facilitated,’ referring to those nonmilitary flights. The most evacuations happened in the 24-hour period ending Tuesday morning, when 21,600 people were evacuated. In the 24 hours before Thursday morning, the number was 13,400.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/26/numbers-behind-kabul-airlift/
Two days ago: “Taliban guard airport as most NATO troops leave Afghanistan” The
Taliban are there to attempt to stop ISIS from shooting down our aircraft as they take off. ISIS and the Taliban do not get along. No matter what you think about the
Taliban, ISIS is worse.
https://apnews.com/article/europe-business-afghanistan-united-nations-957bdc5ded58a337572313d27be13e73
Probably because I’m a former Marine and combat vet, I have been following the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan since they started.
It was apparent to me early on that both wars were lost the day they began. The U.S. should have never invaded Iraq. After 9/11, once we knew who was behind the attack in New York, all of our military efforts to stop that from happening again should have been focused on Afghanistan, not Iraq.
After both countries were invaded, the Bush administration focused on the war in Iraq and Afghanistan became an orphan. From the beginning, almost every decision by U.S. presidents was focused on nation-building in both countries and those efforts failed in both countries just like they failed in Vietnam.
The way the U.S. and its allies won WWII and rebuilt the countries they defeated was not the same way we have fought all the wars since.
When the U.S. rebuilt Japan, Germany, and Europe after World War II, those countries had been devastated by all-out war.
The U.S. and its allies ruthlessly bombed Japan and Germany’s cities killing hundreds of thousand of civilians of all ages. We leveled their cites. We fire bombed their cities with napalm.
This is a small example of how we won World War II:
Firebombing Tokyo
“On the night of March 9, 1945, U.S. warplanes launch a new bombing offensive against Japan, dropping 2,000 tons of incendiary bombs on Tokyo over the course of the next 48 hours. Almost 16 square miles in and around the Japanese capital were incinerated, and between 80,000 and 130,000 Japanese civilians were killed in the worst single firestorm in recorded history.”
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/firebombing-of-tokyo
Tokyo was not the only city that was firebombed like that. Click the next link and look at just the opening photo. That is how we won WWII.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/firebombing-of-dresden
No matter how many have died in all of the wars since WWII, we haven’t fought a war like that since. The rules put in place after WWII to restrain our aggression have been applied to the wars we fought in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
Our generals and troops have been hobbled and restrained from winning and we have lost every war since.
If we as a country are not willing to fight fire with fire, then why fight at all. Just surrender and let the fascists and terrorists take over. Then, after our Constitutional freedoms are gone, pray that none of those fascists and terrorists that are ruling our country don’t come for you just because you dared to speak out against them or one of them decided they don’t like you and they don’t need a reason for why they don’t like you.
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This is total BS. Trump’s Agreement was Conditional yet Biden chose to change it. The Pentagon totally F’d up the withdrawal….. Try to Blame Trump all you want but this is totally on Biden and ALL those who voted for him. Blood is on THEIR hands! Trump has been out of office for EIGHT Months. Get over it. As for Not a wor!d! All they knew was Orange Man Bad! So live with this! You wanted it, you got it!
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We are out of Afghanistan, mission accomplished. Well done President Biden. Thank you.
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Tell that to the people that will die in nthe coming weeks. Sad
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Alan, did you fight in one of the wars we’ve lost since the end of World War II?
If you did, what was your job?
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Lloyd Lofthouse, the debacle in Vietnam was run by politicians. They pulled all of the strings and that is a major contributing factor for our losing.
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Greg H.,
The politicians put us into Vietnam and thousands of troops died for their mistakes.
Yet you want politicians, not doctors, to decide what women should do with their bodies. You like laws that force victims of rape to bear their rapist’s child. You approve of laws—like Iowa’s—that force 10-year-old girls to become mothers. You are sick.
Shame on you.
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“The Pentagon totally F’d up the withdrawal…” It wasn’t only the withdrawal they messed up. They had 20 years to stabilize the country. The Afghan military & central government collapsed in one day. Admit it- the US military cannot nation build. The many former military generals protesting the withdrawal have more than a patriotic interest in a continued occupation. They’re on the weapons industry dole. Estimated dollars & human costs= $2.261 trillion
Click to access Human%20and%20Budgetary%20Costs%20of%20Afghan%20War%2C%202001-2021.pdf
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Might be a good time to watch the movie Taxi to the Dark Side and review some of the atrocities we committed at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. I know it is Iraq, but same issues. We have/had no reason to invade Iraq or Afghanistan. But the war on terror will continue to be sure, just by drone, so we don’t get our hands dirty. Shame.
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“One trillion dollars. Two trillion dollars. Three trillion dollars. We spent as though we were not mortgaging our futures on goals that could Never be achieved. Today, the interest we will pay on this totals $6.5 trillion according to one estimate.
Those are schools not built, teachers not hired, roads and bridges not restored, investments in research and development not made, defenses against next generation threats not undertaken, steps to address urgent needs like combatting the climate crisis not taken.
We just kept writing blank checks to presidents who kept failing to live up to the responsibilities of their offices. By 2010 there were 100,000 US troops in Afghanistan although the year before many including Joe Biden argued we should be drawing down our forces.
Bush and then Obama and then Trump could see we were faltering but none dared, until Biden, to accept reality and none, until the current president, had the courage to end this era of cascading policy failures, failures of judgment, and failures of character.”
David Rothkopf/ https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1432497931853221891.html?utm_source=subscriptions_mailer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily
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Lost? Desert Storm. The order was to Liberate Kuwait which we is less than 99 hours thanks to Reagan’s Military! Politicians decide the objectives, not the Military, or did you not learn that in Civics. Nice try but crawl back under your rock. By the way, have you ever worn a uniform?
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Are you on drugs? Trump had a plan for withdrawal. Biden F’d it up. When the SHTF, I hope you can protect yourself
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I bet Trump’s plan for withdrawal was just as brilliant as his plan for health insurance to replace Obamacare!
Any ideas what either of those plans were? But I know that they were great, because the guy who sold gullible people a worthless Trump University degree for many thousands of dollars says so.
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Why make it a Trump or Biden thing? It was the neocon’s war, heckuva job Cheney and Rumsfeld. Way to spread the love.
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I had a whole rant prepared, but Caitlin Johnstone says it best. This is not a time for celebration or patting anyone on the back. This is a time for rage: https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2021/08/31/the-completion-of-the-afghanistan-withdrawal-is-nothing-to-celebrate/
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Caitlin Johnson is far too shallow to understand the difference between being soberly grateful that over 120,000 people were safely evacuated and the long war in Afghanistan is over, and “celebrating”. She seems to be deluded into believing that there have been parades and military bands welcoming home the troops.
However, it makes perfect sense that Caitlin Johnstone feels only rage — after all, Biden’s success in evacuating over 120,000 people before ending this war is something she never saw coming, nor did she even care about.
Caitlin Johnstone did not express any desire for an evacuation of anyone in her screed from July 2020 “Seriously, get the h*** out of Afghanistan”.
Caitlin Johnstone devoted herself to writing about how the US had to get out now and she didn’t express any concern at all about the Afghan people except to note the “simply devastating toll it [the occupation] has taken on the Afghan people.”
Not a single mention of evacuating any people nor where they would go. Just Caitlin Johnstone’s certainty that the US had to get out and she didn’t write a single sentence about how that might affect those left behind. No mention of evacuating anyone.
Caitlin Johnstone called Biden “a warmongering authoritarian who is too demented to string a coherent sentence together and who is looking more and more credibly to be a rapist.”
No wonder Caitlin Johnstone is so angry. Biden’s successful evacuation of 120,000 people — an accomplishment that seems to have no value to Caitlin Johnstone — makes Johnstone look like a political hack whose concern for the Afghan people ends when they can’t be used as a talking point against Democrats and neocons.
In fact, Caitlin Johnstone’s concern for the Afghan people makes her seem a lot like the education reformers who keep citing their concern for the “poor kids trapped in failing public schools”.
Their concern seems to end when they can no longer be used as talking points.
120,000 safely evacuated AND America ended its presence in Afghanistan. Anyone who can’t be soberly relieved about that is a political hack.
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“Power is the great aphrodisiac”
Expertise
On foreign affairs
Means “bound to please
The corporate czars”
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He undoubtedly didn’t realize it, but when Kissinger noted that “power is the great aphrodisiac”, he was also talking about his own pathetic propensity to suck up to Nixon.
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“A month before the Taliban stormed Afghanistan’s capital, two dozen diplomats in the U.S. embassy in Kabul sent a memo to the State Department warning of imminent collapse. ”
Afghanistan faced imminent collapse for just a month?
How about this?
“Years before the Taliban stormed Afghanistan’s capital, the brains of two dozen diplomats in the U.S. embassy in Kabul faced imminent collapse”
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It is ridiculous that the “two dozen diplomats” warned of imminent collapse without offering any solution except “do something”.
On July 13th, the cable was sent. And a few weeks later, a mass evacuation of 120,000 people is completed in a very short time.
Maybe no one passed along the cable because it was self-serving diplomats stating the obvious and it is clear by how fast the Biden administration were able to evacuate so many people that they were planning for that possibility before July 13.
It’s like a public school spending all summer figuring out how to deal with COVID, getting everyone vaccinated and putting into place possible masking policies. And in late August, a group of parents send a letter to the principal at their kid’s public school saying “A new Delta COVID variant is here, do something”. And when school starts in September, precautions are taken and masks are required, which helps significantly to limit spread, but there are still some outbreaks. And the group of parents release their letter and everyone in the media fawns over them and feels sorry for them because “the school didn’t listen to their warnings that there was a new Delta variant, so it’s all their fault that there was outbreaks at the school because if only they had listened to you, there would have been no outbreaks.”
That’s what the letter from the diplomats sounds like to me.
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Lloyd Lofthouse, if Ron Paul won in 2008 and maybe in 2012, we probably would not have had these foreign entanglements to contend with.
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Diane Ravitch, I have no problem with abortion being legal in the case of rape, incest or risk to the life of the Mother. I am not saying this about you specifically, however, there is a serious level of hypocrisy in the argument “my body, my choice” in one regard to bodily autonomy and not another. Back to the issue of the situation in Afghanistan, that is something we have no business being involved in.
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Greg H., I have a problem with politicians overriding the decisions of medical professionals.
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