Peter Greene has written a powerful case against the argument of the school choice lobby, who insist that children should choose a school that affirms their parents’ values. The choice lobby says that it causes conflict when students go to school with others who don’t share their worldview and challenge their beliefs.
Greene refutes this assertion:
The argument here, pushed daily on Twitter by Cato’s Neal McClusky, is that “public schools leave people no choice but to be at each others’ throats” and that the system leaves no choice but to either ban or impose policies and ideas. Therefor, the argument goes, school choice offers a chance to make all the conflict go away. Folks over here can choose a school that actively pursues diversity and anti-racists policies, while folks over here can choose a school that actively blocks such policies. Allowing diverse school approaches will, the argument goes, somehow reduce the conflicts currently tearing at the social fabric of our country…
So first we get a school that separates from the original public district so that it can keep out all sorts of diversity and anti-racist programs. But then that school splits over a conflict about whether or not to teach creationism. Then the creationism school splits over an argument about which books to ban from the school library, and then that school splits over policies regarding LGBTQ+ students. The continued spinning off of entities based on new policy disputes will be familiar to anyone who knows the Protestant church. Meanwhile, many parents will factor in location and student body demographics for their decisions, and of the many schools spun off to “settle” the various disputes, half will fold because they don’t make enough money.

In the end, “Well, if they don’t like that policy, they’ll be able to choose a school with which they agree,” will turn out to be a false promise.
Some choices are not healthy.
We have seen the use of school choice to avoid conflict before. After Brown v. Board of Education, lots of folks decided they had a problem sending their white children to school with Black students, and they “solved” that conflict by creating schools that let them choose segregation. When it comes to the current CRT panic, there may well be some schools that have gone a step too far with their anti-racist work (though–plot twist–those schools keep turning out to be not public ones). But an awful lot of the panic is fueled by folks opportunistically whipping up some good old-fashioned white outrage over encroaching Blackness, and we’ve been here before.
Some choices are not good for the country. We do not benefit from having a bunch of white kids taught that slavery wasn’t so bad and the Civil War was just about state’s rights. We do not benefit from having students taught that science isn’t real. We do not benefit from having students taught that Trump is really still President and 1/6 was just some unruly tourists. And we so very much don’t benefit as a society from schools that segregate both students and content based on race. Not all possible choices should be available.
Bubbles do not banish conflict.
I agree with the part of the premise that says, more or less, “Holy crap, but we are spending a lot of time arguing bitterly and separating ourselves into chasm-separated camps!” What I don’t get, at all, is how separating the children of these warring factions into their own separate education bubbles is going to help. How will having been immersed in nothing but the particular view of their parents’ camp prepare them to be workers, neighbors, and citizens in a society where other people with other views exist.
Upon graduation, will they proceed to a college or trade school that is also designed to strictly fit with their parents’ beliefs? And then will they search, diploma in hand. for employers who also embrace only the world view that these well-bubbled citizens have been taught is the One True View?
How does growing up in a bubble prepare you for life outside it–particularly if your bubble teaches things that are neither nuanced or accurate views.
Greene has much more to say about why it’s wrong and unhealthy for society to encourage growing up in a bubble, where the only people you meet agree with you.
Open the link. Read on.

Moreover, people should not live in a bubble. Unfortunately, our society today consists mainly of bubbles. Few of us understand what it means to farm a plot of land. No person raised outside a city really understands the dynamics at work in urban areas. No suburban family experiences life like a poor rural family, even if the rural poor are their neighbors.
Our failure to understand each other
makes us vulnerable to political leadership based on fear appeals. Greene is right, bubbles do not work. But the bubble problem is exacerbated by social disintegration caused by forces much larger than school.
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And many of those bubbles are opaque for the person inside. They can’t see out but people that don’t live in bubbles can see in even if they don’t want to.
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Good point, Lloyd. Myopia is a bubble is an important dysfunction
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Roy: “No person raised outside a city really understands the dynamics at work in urban areas. No suburban family experiences life like a poor rural family, even if the rural poor are their neighbors.”
These statements are not really true in small cities [30k-50k pop] where the full SES spectrum is represented, and govt [incl schools] are run democratically. At least, according to my experience raised in such a town. The ‘suburb’ I grew up in [adjoining rural village, part of township] was lower/ wkg/ middle class, including folks working for the local uni (from profs to secretaries), small-time farmers, small-biz owners, & poor folks getting by in marginal jobs. Not much of a ‘bubble,’ when your road/ neighbors included all those types within just a couple of miles, & you all participated in the same school district and other activities. My mother’s girl scout troupe included all of them; I babysat for all of them, my dad’s auto-repair shop worked on all their cars. Many of us attended the same non-denominational Protestant church (mostly just to be sociable); all community activities were run out of the adjacent community center, including volunteer fire squad & their annual fundraising barbecues & fairs.
That may all sound very ‘50’s-‘60’s, but my sis has stayed on, & I don’t see much difference 60 yrs later. She lives in an adjacent, rural small town where all is just as I have described. And she works in the town hisch that pulls these communities together. The only real change I see is that the student pop in the district that draws these communities together has become poorer. But there has been no parallel increase in the upper-SES (which might create bubbles). Whatever wealth the town once had mfg-wise left in the ‘60’s/ ‘70’s. There was always an upper-mid-class echelon living off of/ in & around the university & college, but it has not noticeably increased the incomes of those associated with it [despite spiraling tuition/ living expenses in recent decades]…
I am guessing there are many American communities like that one I grew up in, that haven’t changed that much, other than declining in wealth. The ‘bubble-view’ may be just about the metropolitan spreads around our major cities. They get the most press: that’s where the media lives!
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Our country was built on immigrants and diversity. E Pluribus Unum, out of many, one implies that despite our differences, there is one. Biden has said, “We are not red states and blue states. We are the United States.” Living in a bubble gives people a false sense of reality. The world is made up of different types of people. Conflict is part of the human condition, and sometimes the conflict provides opportunity for people to learn and develop.
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I don’t think ed reformers have explained why it is that the publicly funded private schools should be treated more favorably than public schools as far as exemptions and waivers from mandates and regulation.
They’re setting up tiers of schools- the public schools they disfavor ideologically are given all the duties of a public system while publicly funded private schools have no duty to the broader public or system. They treat the two systems inequitably. We’ll have a publicly funded private school system that enjoys all the benefits of public funding without any of the responsibility for ensuring a universal system.
If public schools are going to be the disfavored “default” system in ed reform where all of the duties fall on the schools ed reformers disfavor privatization schemes that should at least be acknowleged.
There’s just no real analysis of the fact that they are privatizing K-12 education. This is a profound and radical shift. They should be forced to explain all the ramifications to the public. Instead all we hear out of the echo chamber is cheeleading every voucher scheme. Have they considered any of the potential risks or downsides of their plans? You won’t find a single real analysis within the echo chamber, that’s for sure. Someone should analyze it. They’re busting up and eradicating the last universal public system in the US. All we’re going to get is cheerleading by paid promoters?
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When the downsides of ed reform’s lock step lobbying for privatization start to appear, will ed reformers be held responsible for not considering ANY of the potential downsides and energetically selling privatization to the public as 100% upside?
Because that’s a fairy tale. Because ed reform echo chamber members are forbidden to question privatization plans doesn’t mean someone outside the echo chamber could do that work.
The public needs to be told of the potential downside of these privatzation plans. They’re being sold a load of happy talk about everyone “choosing” and the shangra la that will result once this ideological scheme is in place. It’s nonsense.
Radical “reinventions” come with risk. That this “movement” blithely ignores that and charges ahead privatizing as fast as they can should give the public pause.
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I agree with Peter Greene. School is one place where we can become aware of the universality of human experiences, where we can learn about our common humanity, where we can develop and practice the skills and character traits necessary for a healthy democracy. To keep cutting ourselves up according to a specific interest or slant on life and by providing our children with only “like-minded” others mainly serves to stunt our children’s growth. The health of our democratic nation is highly dependent on our developing the concept of other as neighbor and on learning how to solve problems together peacefully. We need to stop allowing our civic and religious leaders to exaggerate and deepen our differences. We must embrace ways in which we come to know our more distant neighbors and welcome the opportunity to develop fellowship, understanding, and love. Thank you, Peter Greene, for helping us to reflect on this essential function of the common school.
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Diverse schools do not get enough credit for the job they do in allowing young people from different social and economic groups to learn from each other for the betterment of society as a whole. It is one of the great advantages of real public education that often is overlooked. Our obsession with scores is unhealthy. Mutual respect and understanding is much needed today, and quality, diverse public schools provide that service.
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“Our obsession with scores is unhealthy. Mutual respect and understanding is much needed today”…..hear, hear.
We need remember we are preparing our children to be kind, respectful human beings ..not test takers….. we need to slow down.
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As one who grew up in and went through K-12, 99% white, Catholic bubble schools, as one who in the last couple of years attended 45 and 50 year school reunions which has enabled more contact with my classmates, I can verify that the majority of my classmates haven’t strayed very far beyond that bubble. Yes, some of us broke free from that bubble even before we were out of it, many still think, believe and behave as if they were still a part of that bubble. And most of them don’t realize/recognize that bubble.
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As someone that broke free of the constraints of the bubble, I thought you might appreciate this. I came across this website that actually helps those in the right wing bubble relocate to conservative areas where they will feel “welcome.” You can’t make this stuff up! https://conservativemove.com/
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I too grew up (at least the last 5 years of high school) in a private school bubble. Except that it was a bubble that was consciously trying to push off its bubble nature. We had no black kids, but we studied black literature. Ironically, classmates who remained in the public schools in integrated classrooms did not necessarily have the same transformative experience I did when I read the literature. Some of my old friends have never in all of these years moved past the narrow vision of a small Tennessee town.
I have been thinking about Greene’s post much of the day as I have shuttled from inservice session to teacher training as school begins (yes, it is that time again!) I am so apprreciative to Greene for his laconic wit and perceptive analysis of issues that concern teachers.
Often I have been known to suggest that the Mason-Dixon Line is a small circle drawn around each xenophobic individual who invokes it. Just another bubble, I guess.
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Roy: “when I read the literature.” That’s got me thinking of the summer of ’68-ish, which I spent shortening all them hems of all my skirts to mini-skirt length, & reading everything from “Soul on Ice” to “Native Son” to “Black Like Me” to “Free Huey Newton” & more. Funny thing: none of those were recommended by some college class 😉
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I was born in a place that wasn’t a bubble. Everyone was thrown together. It’s typical of small cities of 30+k population– they’re all in the same school district. Unless the town is right smack next to a major urb, ‘residential segregation’ is a feature only of the town center, where people live close together. Check out the surrounds: shacks next to palaces next to routine middle-class houses [minimal zoning!] Travel the hinterlands: I think my experience is the more typical. The 99% white Catholic bubble you describe could only happen near a metropolitan spread [am I wrong?] My husband grew up in such a community— Queens in the ‘50’s/’60’s— block-busted in the early ‘60’s. Though his parents promptly moved to a Catholic/ Jewish suburb further out when he was in late teens, his college & work experience in NYC gave him a very different perspective.
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I also grew up in a big city. There was no bubble. Diversity was part of everyday life.
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I loved that about NYC, lived there 17yrs, mostly in Bklyn. My mother visited often, & would say if she had to leave her town, she found the city most like it, with its many little nbhds, family-owned businesses & friendly people.
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The biggest bubble that encompasses so many-the majority in the U.S.A. is the faith-belief bubble that distorts reality like trying to see through a large bubble being bantered about by the wind.
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I wonder how big it really is, Duane. The stats show us moving steadily toward a more secular society. For a long time their voices were squelched down to the point where we libs didn’t really hear them, & so were surprised at how numerous they really were/ are. Nevertheless, I hear them like the fierce trumpeting calls of dying dinosaurs, furious as they see themselves becoming extinct.
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Ed reformers: “anyone can attend any school they choose, or no school at all, regardless of consequences to the system as a whole, and this is guaranteed to improve ‘public education’ in the United States, with no possible downside of any kind and no risk”
If there is a cost to this radical reinvention of public education will any of the thousands of full time paid ed reformers be held accountable for destroying the existing public system and replacing it with this ideological experiment in free markets?
What about all the so-called “Democrats” who went along with this like sheep? If we no longer have public schools in 10 years and that turns out to be a BAD DEAL for the public can we ask them why they refused to consider any of the possible consequences of their paid cheerleading for privatization?
Next step for ed reform- universal low value vouchers. The echo chamber are already promoting them in lockstep, as usual.
When the public understands that they have traded a comprehensive guarantee of universal public education in exchange for a low value $5500 dollar coupon to purchase educational services from contractors can we tell them to address their complaints to the ed reform echo chamber who got us here?
It’s a bad deal.
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I don’t think I’ll ever forget that in the midst of the biggest challenge facing public education in my lifetime, a pandemic, the thousands of paid ed reformers spent the last year lobbying for private school vouchers.
Contribute absolutely nothing to public schools or public school students, the schools 90% of the kids in this country attend, yet claim to work full time on “public education”.
They don’t work on “pubic education”. They work on achieving their ideological vision of privatized education. Public schools should look elsewhere for policy advice. Ed reform doesn’t deliver for public school students. They add no value to our schools.
List the contributions of these folks since the pandemic began:
Standardized testing mandates
private school vouchers
a “critical race theory” panic
Nothing for public school students. A net loss.
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Ed reform echo chamber lists their accomplishments this year:
“As has been reported and celebrated widely, the legislative sessions that just ended in many states brought great progress on the school choice front. According to the American Federation for Children, five states created new private-school choice programs this year, while eight jurisdictions expanded existing programs, and another two did both. Standouts include major new education savings account (ESA) programs in West Virginia and New Hampshire; major expansions and improvements to Florida’s ESA and tax credit scholarship programs; the enactment of Iowa’s first real charter school bill; and huge wins in Fordham’s home state of Ohio on the voucher, ESA, and charter fronts, including direct, formula-driven funding for choice programs.”
Public schools and public school students once again failed to make the cut.
If you’re a public school leader, can I ask why you’re hiring these folks to direct what happens in public schools or accepting mandates from them? They don’t contribute anything to your schools. Is it really the duty of public school leaders to work towards ed reform’s ideological vision that doesn’t include public schools? Has it added any value to any public school anywhere?
Could we at least consider hiring and listening to people who value public education? Seems like that should be a basic qualiication. “Must actually be committed to public education”. Too high a bar?
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Wow, I call foul on Cato’s “Public Schooling Battle Map”! Its intro para says “public schooling often forces people into wrenching, zero‐sum conflict ” (my emphasis) You can search by location & year. I picked 2020 NJ, since I was sidelined for most of the year & gobbled up ed articles. My google news feed is set to show me such pieces, including anything in NJ. Very underwhelming… none of the 10 “battles” on the Cato map even registered on ‘Patch’ or ‘TapInto.’ Nearly every one was described as “a few religious families objected…” Then there were the two in high-priced white towns where students demanded more black studies curriculum 😉
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Admittedly, one of those 10 non-battle battles quoted a parent as saying they were sick & tired of BOE meetings turning into circuses. But seriously, Cato, step up your game. If you want to turn this into a pro-school-choice argument, it won’t do to sit back & make maps exaggerating a few kerfuffles. Pump up funding to astroturf parent groups! They’ll connect with ‘a few religious families’ on FB, build a following, and come to the meetings sign-carrying and shouting with cameras rolling!
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CATO is hard-core libertarian. They oppose government programs.
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Segregationists want segregation. Was there a doubt that segregation was a feature, not a side effect of school “choice”?
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Thank you, LCT. School choice is by definition self-segregation.
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Yep.
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Reblogged this on What's Gneiss for Education.
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What I have seen sometimes is a handful of extreme parents are very vocal…. say 25-50 out of say 1000. If more of the 950 regularly spoke up and came to meetings…. we would have more balance.
The loudest voices with the most drama is what is getting all the attention and it’s great for some news channels. Most people are middle of the road and reasonable…. but we are all so busy that those with an strong agenda get involved.
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School in a bubble”
Bubble schools are great!
Protection from dis-ease
Protecting kids from fate
Which doesn’t try to please
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