From today’s Washington Post:
President Trump threatened a lawsuit Monday after Nevada passed legislation Sunday to send mail-in ballots to all voters in response to the pandemic, claiming without evidence that the move was illegal and that Democrats were “using Covid” to win the election.
“In an illegal late night coup, Nevada’s clubhouse Governor made it impossible for Republicans to win the state,” Trump tweeted. “Post Office could never handle the Traffic of Mail-In Votes without preparation. Using Covid to steal the state. See you in Court!”
The tweet was Trump’s latest salvo directed at undermining confidence in mail-in balloting, which states are increasingly embracing in response to the ongoing coronavirus outbreak. Last week, Trump floated the idea of postponing the presidential election as more states move toward mail voting.
In other Monday morning tweets, Trump continued his push to fully reopen schools, even as some of the nation’s largest districts are delaying in-person instruction amid continuing spread of the virus.
Trump also claimed that the United States is doing much better dealing with the virus than most other countries — a claim inconsistent with the facts — and blamed the media for trying to make him and the country look “as bad as possible.”
Trump’s tweets were largely at odds with an assessment Sunday by Deborah Birx, the physician overseeing the White House’s epidemic response.
During an appearance on CNN, she said outbreaks are increasing in both rural and urban areas, touching isolated parts of the country that once counted on their remoteness to keep them safe.
“What we’re seeing today is different from March and April,” Birx told CNN. “It is extraordinarily widespread.”

“Democrats were “using Covid” to win the election. . . . Using Covid to steal the state. See you in Court!””
Every time I read or listen to Trump I feel I am in my backyard trying to unravel my old twisted and bent garden hose so I can water properly.
I guess that anyone who wants fair voting, where everyone who wants to vote CAN vote without risking their health or even their lives, and where whoever wins, wins fairly, is “using Covid to win the election.”
Put that man in a home, . . . or in a jail where he belongs. CBK
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“Every time I read or listen to Trump I feel I am in my backyard trying to unravel my old twisted and bent garden hose so I can water properly.”
Oh Catherine, I totally related to that image!
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Agreed, speduktr! That is, indeed, a terrific analogy!
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Never ever underestimate a fascist clinging to power as a junky needing fix ! He can use the 12th amendment, 1807 Insurrection Act and Section 1021 of the NDAA to force the election into the House of Representatives where voting is done by STATE. This was done in the election of 1876!
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Trump is a lunatic. He was a lunatic before he moved into the White House and he will be a lunatic after he is gone. Even after he is dead, he will still be a lunatic.
I recommend this CNN interview with The Atlantic’s star pandemic reporter, a sensible, educated man who is not a lunatic like Trump and Trump’s deplorable supporters.
I’ll share one of the questions from that interview here:
“In your latest piece, you explore the role of social media and misinformation in this crisis. What role do you think conservative media has played in all of that?”
“In a crisis like this, it is so important for people to get clear, evidence-based, consistent messaging. You could argue about successes and failures to do that across the board. But I think the fact that we have media channels with massive audiences that are consistently saying the wrong things is inevitably a huge problem. Initially, it contributes to laxity. The fact that a lot of those outlets were severely downplaying the threat of the pandemic, even at a point when it was clear that this was going to be a disaster, helps to fuel reticence of action at a time when people really needed to be acting. It sows division. It sows distrust in expertise.”
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/03/media/the-atlantic-ed-yong/index.html
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Exactly. Fox News is directly responsible for a lot of people’s deaths, and not just for the deaths of the morons who took what Hannity and Carlson and Ingram had to say as news and behaved heedlessly and caught the disease and died but for the deaths of the relatives and acquaintances of those people. I hope that before this is done, families of the dead sue Fox until the whole evil empire hasn’t enough money left to buy the airplane-sized bottle of hydroxychloroquine.
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5 facts about Fox News
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/08/five-facts-about-fox-news/
Despite its claim to be “fair and balanced,” Fox News forged strong links with many leaders in the Republican Party and in the conservative political establishment.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Fox-News-Channel
Politico ran some good news: “The incredible shrinking Fox News”
“The world-sprawling media empire Rupert Murdoch built on the soft foundation of two properties he inherited 66 years ago — the Adelaide News and a radio station in a New South Wales mining town — has begun to shrink like a tumor spritzed with chemo and toasted with radiation. Sighting his own end, the 88-year-old Murdoch has been tidying up his estate as if preparing it for probate. He just unloaded his movie studio, 21st Century Fox, in a $71.3 billion deal with Disney and sold his interest in satellite broadcaster Sky to Comcast.” …
“Fox’s minimal influence is easily explained. While it’s the most popular cable news network, it still draws only a niche audience. Socolow provides the numbers: On an average night, about 2.4 million prime-time viewers tune in, which is about 0.7 percent of the total U.S. population.”
https://www.politico.eu/blogs/on-media/2019/04/the-incredible-shrinking-fox-news-rupert-murdoch-donald-trump/
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Evidence please
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/06/25/fox-news-hannity-coronavirus-misinformation/
But perhaps these studies are just “Fake News.” LOL. You gotta hand it to Don the con, his “fake news” gambit is the universal antidote, for disciples in his cult, to intrusion of reality upon Trumpist make-believe. After all, Trump could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue in broad daylight and wouldn’t lose a single social media booster.
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I must say that it’s darkly amusing that Trumpeteers would imagine that there wouldn’t be any negative consequences, during a deadly pandemic, of Fox News having spent months telling its viewers that the pandemic was a hoax or was going away or could be easily cured by taking hydroxychloroquine or, I don’t know, injecting disinfectant.
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How does one get to be 74 years old and not know how to read “Yosemite’s sequoias”? This is a man who thinks that Belgium is a city, who had to ask an aide what is commemorated on Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day, who thinks we could send astronauts to the sun and that we could inject disinfectants, who talked of the Continental Army capturing airports, who thinks that windmills cause cancer and that Frederick Douglass is still alive and that Denmark might be interested in selling Greenland to us. Mattis nailed it when he said that the man hasn’t the understanding of a fifth- or sixth-grader.
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For a good look at what your monster, Trump, is doing, watch the Netflix documentary Immigration Nation. If we live in a just world, the virulent racist cretin Trump and his Minister of Propaganda, Stephen “Goebbels” Miller will both end up in the dock at an international criminal tribunal in The Hague being tried for crimes against humanity.
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Trump on Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein, whom he partied and palled around with for years: “I guess they lived in Palm Beach,” as if he might have heard of them. LOL. But hey, the man is not only completely amoral but a pathological liar. However, he’s not even a good liar. He’s not smart enough.
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New story today that Jeffrey Epstein was a member of Mar-a-Lago. Raw Story
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I’m watching Immigration Nation on Netflix. It’s almost impossible to watch. It’s so infuriating and disgusting and heartbreaking. Trump and Miller and Sessions are Nazis, as were a lot of their thuggish hirelings. What a country this is, to do such things!!!!
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January 21, 2021 Thousands killed as plaintiffs and prosecutors stampede to file civil and criminal cases against Donald Trump
This has been Bob’s Shepherd’s News from the Future. Why read today’s stale, boring news when you can read news fresh from tomorrow?
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After the massive surge in Coronavirus infections and deaths that results from reopening schools, people are going to be looking for where to place the blame, and some of this, of course, will rightly fall on then ex-President Trump at the very time that state prosecutors are bringing hundreds of charges against him for sex crimes, money laundering, bank fraud, etc. Trump: a name that will live in infamy.
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All the investigations and court cases waiting for Trump to move out of the White House might just be the tipping point that brings on a massive stroke and erases the Dumpster forever, except in the annals of history as he makes the top ten list of worst leaders ever.
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All the hate is on the left. All. Of. It.
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The alt-right troll strikes again. Laugh at the Troll’s failed attempt to rile anyone reading this: “All the hate is on the left. All. Of. It.”
NOT!
I wondered where this troll was hearing such crap or helping to spread it.
I found lots of this Alt-Right Trumpist propaganda with a simple Google search “the left hates”
Then I decided to find out who commits the most “hate crimes” and found this from the Department of Justice.
53.6% of 6,255 known hate crimes were committed by whites and most of these crimes are motivated by: Race/Ethnicity/Ancestry/Bias
https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/hate-crime-statistics
Digging deeper into “hate” I discovered that there is an “Escalating Terrorism Problem in the United States”
“Right-wing attacks and plots account for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994, and the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown significantly during the past six years. Right-wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020.”
https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states
If “hate” is a contest, the “left is not “hating” enough. The “left” is losing this “hate” contest to the “right”.
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I am guess I am just too dense to understand Dumb Trump’s thinking. What’s the difference if Republicans or Democrats mail in the ballots. Every voter regardless political affiliation or non-affiliation can/should have the right to vote anyway that is illegal to do so.
This is just another way to distract from all the main destructive issues facing this country. Those very same issues that Trump and his minions have failed to control and find solutions for during the last almost four years.
Hopefully in November the voters of this country will elect someone who is not adult-child to lead this country and, at the same time, vote out all those elected officials who are not adult enough to make this adult-child do what he swore to do on the first day of he assumed office.
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Trump is not the only freak-monster, insane, idiot leading a country.
There will always be individuals like Trump who manage to con and lie their way into a position of leadership. If Trump’s father had not been wealthy and powerful, Trump would have spent a lot of his life behind bards.
For instance, here is a 2016 piece from Fortune magazine: “The World’s 19 Most Disappointing Leaders”
https://fortune.com/2016/03/30/most-disappointing-leaders/
NEXTER.org published, “World’s Worst Leaders of the 21st Century.” Guess who the first image represents.
What I found interesting is Trump is listed in the piece as one of the world’s worst leaders but clearly his image is the one that introduces the story, and it neds with: See also, US President Donald Trump and his magic hair:
https://nexter.org/worlds-worst-leaders-of-the-21st-century
The last one I will share is “20 Worst Leaders in History” – Since it takes at least 50 years to go by to be considered history, Trump isn’t on the list yet, but with all of the Americans dying from the virus, he will be a candidate for a list like this in 2070. Too bad I won’t be here to read that one. And, smile, smile, Trump won’t be around to read it either, but some of his children might still be around to be shamed into changing their last names.
Adolf Hitler
Augusto Pinochet
https://listsigma.com/worst-leaders-in-history/
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NOT bards – BARS. I despise that auto spell changer and regret how easy it is to create typos when you are in a hurry to get on with your day like the morning exercise routine.
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Lloyd FYI there’s an article in The New Yorker (Aug 3/10) about a book that makes one-to-one comparisons between Trump and Joe McCarthy or, as the article refers to him: Sloppy Joe. (Larry Tye’s biography: “Demagogue: The Life and Long Shadow of Senator Joe McCarthy” [Houghton Mifflin Harcourt]).
There are some important differences of course. But hopefully, the end of Trump and Trumpism will follow the same course as McCarthy. CBK
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I totally agreed that Trump must end up with the same thing that happened to McCarthy.
What led to Mccarthy’s downfall?
“Despite McCarthy’s acquittal of misconduct in the Schine matter, the Army–McCarthy hearings ultimately became the main catalyst in McCarthy’s downfall from political power.”
What happened to Senator McCarthy At the end of the red scare?
“While the official outcome of the hearings was inconclusive, this exposure of McCarthy to the American public resulted in a sharp decline in his popularity. In less than a year, McCarthy was censured by the Senate, and his position as a prominent force in anti-communism was essentially ended.”
The difference with Trump is that when the Senate had its chance during the impeachment trial, Moscow Mitch ran interference and blocked all witnesses from being heard. Hopefully, what the public witnessed resulted in the sharp decline in Trump’s popularity that we see now in the polls and that it will continue to haunt Trump to the end of his one-term presidency and follow him around for the rest of his life like a plague.
Trump’s growing unpopularity will probably make it difficult for him to go out in public for the rest of his life. He might have to move to Moscow and tweet from there.
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Lloyd While true, the biography goes into much more nuance–it reads like a Trump Game Plan, until the end which, of course, we do not know yet. Basically, those involved gave him enough of his own rope so that he ended up hanging himself (so to speak). But despite the differences (which the article acknowledges) the resonance is encouraging. CBK
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Trump is the biggest troll of them all.
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moeone2015
I assume this is a typo: “Every voter regardless political affiliation or non-affiliation can/should have the right to vote anyway that is illegal to do so.”
There can be no doubt that Trump and Republicans are doing everything possible to CLAIM the upcoming Nov 3 vote was improper, illegal, rigged, a fraud–all on the assumption that Trump cannot win the election or will contest it.
Only a landslide victory for Biden will temper his tantrums. Even then he may still refuse to leave the Whitehouse until January 2021. In that case, some scholars have said that Nancy Pelosi will become the President.
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Thanks for the correction. I guess my brain was so fixated on all the illegal transgression again our nation that Trump and his minions have done over the last four years that my gears slipped and I used the wrong word.
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Wait a minute. Isn’t January 2021 when he has to vacate the office. The 20th?
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January 20, 2021, noon Eastern. A new beginning or a barrage of nails in the coffin.
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moeone2015 “Every voter regardless political affiliation or non-affiliation can/should have the right to vote anyway that is illegal to do so.” (I assume you meant to write “legal” rather than “illegal” or just being funny?)
But not in Trumplandia, they don’t, unless they are already loyal to him.
CBK
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When I read this article this morning, it gave me more concerns about opening schools. Although it mostly addresses preschoolers, I think a number of K-2 teachers should also be concerned. While it is only one study, the problem is that there is so much we do not understand about this virus. The news seems to be changing weekly. https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/07/31/new-evidence-suggests-young-children-spread-covid-19-more-efficiently-than-adults/#159b9cd519fd
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Breaking Christian News is still promoting the benefits of hydroxychloriquine. There is some weird connection between such “Christians” and Trump that is morally crazy. Where and why do they make up such nonsense?
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I thought you would like this story from breakingchristiannews.com
THIS INDIAN SLUM SUCCESSFULLY CONTAINED WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN A COVID-19 DISASTER BY USING HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE
Vijay Jarayaj-American Thinker : Aug 3, 2020 LifeSiteNews.com
Officials have credited this turnaround to “[a] combination of hydroxychloroquine, vitamin D, and zinc tablets along with homeopathic medicines.”
(India) — [LifeSiteNews.com] On July 9, 2020, Asia’s biggest and densest slum shocked the world by announcing just one new positive COVID-19 case despite being a cluster and hotspot.
Dharavi is no ordinary slum. It is one of the densest in the world, housing more than a million people. It provided some of the background for the Oscar-winning movie Slumdog Millionaire.
Dharavi contains pockets where as many as 650,000 people are crammed into 2.5 square kilometers. In comparison, New York City has only around 95,605 people for 2.5 square kilometers.
India feared the worst when a cluster outbreak of COVID-19 was reported in Dharavi. It could have become the biggest COVID-19 disaster zone in the world. But by using proactive measures, Dharavi contained the virus.
Media around the world, like the Los Angeles Times, have reported the success. Even the World Health Organization praised Dharavi…
https://?ID=30862
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Retired teacher, those studies are extraordinarily important. I already knew that it was completely insane to reopen schools now. These studies should make that obvious to even the most die-hard wishful/magical thinkers.
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&, interestingly enough, Forbes, here, mirrors Vox (similar report online) & visa versa.
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We all know that all mail in voting will be a disaster. It will cause chaos, which the democrats want. Democrats have already hired 600 lawyers to contest election results. Mail in voting is totally unnecessary. We could easily social distance, and sanitize at the polls. You know it, I know it, Everyone knows it.
Democrats know they cannot win any other way. By any means necessary, right?
Fortunately, I teach at an amazing charter school, so we will be opening in person, and on time. Can’t wait to teach the first grade in person.
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Mail in voting has been around for ages, it’s not some new creation.
From the National Conference of State Legislatures:
“Absentee” first came about during the Civil War as a way for soldiers to cast a ballot in their home states. The idea of allowing military voters to cast a ballot “in absentia” is still one of the driving factors for states allowing absentee ballots. All states, by federal law, are required to send absentee ballots to military and overseas voters for federal elections.
For domestic voters wishing to vote absentee or by mail, 16 states require voters to provide an “excuse” for why they will not be able to vote on Election Day. Some of these states do provide early in-person voting.
The other 34 states and Washington, D.C., do not require an excuse from those who wish to vote absentee or by mail. Five states conduct elections entirely by mail (Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah and Washington), which means voters do not need to request a ballot, and instead automatically receive one. The other 29 states and D.C. offer “no-excuse” absentee voting, which means any voter can request a mail ballot without providing an excuse.
Save the country from one of the worst presidents ever, vote straight DEMOCRATIC!
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When my family and I lived overseas for several years in the 70’s we never failed to vote absentee. It was our right and we were proud to exercise that right. Never doubted that our vote counted.
Our daughter and her family have lived in England, Germany, Japan, and now Italy. That covers most of their married life. My daughter and her husband have alway voted absentee and make sure their ballots are mailed in on time to be counted.
Trump, as is with most spoiled brats, goes berserk EVERYDAY over something. He is nothing but a adult-child with little understanding of the real adult world and how to live in it.
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The military has had mail-in voting for years, and so has the entire state of Oregon.
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I started voting by mail before I retired from teaching in 2005 and I have not stopped. I prefer mail-in ballots.
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Eva Braun teaching first grade. That should go well.
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She must be the new Just me.
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You are clearly unconcerned about the Covid-19 pandemic, and are willing to let people stand in line to vote. including seniors and people who may be infected with Covid-19.
I hope that your fabulous charter school has perfect liability protection for any Covid-19 cases caused by reopening in person.
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Don’t feed the trolls!!!
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jacquilenhardt5598 “We all know that all mail in voting will be a disaster.”
Neither you nor I know that. The problem is, THAT’s exactly what Trump wants–and I suspect you know that too.
Same for this statement: “It will cause chaos, which the democrats want.” How exactly do you know that, and I’m a democrat and I don’t want that.
(You can put your puppet-sock away now.) CBK
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jacquilenhardt5598 is a Trump Troll. Once you discover a commenter is a troll, stop feeding them. Ignore them, and they will go away to find someone else to bait. Trump loves to inflict pain in others just like trolls do.
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LloydI think you are right about the Trump Troll.
The irony is that everyone SHOULD know that anything that starts with “Everyone knows” is probably a troll.
“acquilenhardt5598 is a Trump Troll. Once you discover a commenter is a troll, stop feeding them. Ignore them, and they will go away to find someone else to bait. Trump loves to inflict pain in others just like trolls do.” CBK
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Stop feeding the troll!!!! It will go away when ignored.
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I did absentee ballot voting when I lived overseas in Malaysia. I voted by absentee ballot in the most recent primary and have the form, which I’ll send in, to get an absentee ballot for the Nov. 3 election.
It is sickening to see people lined up trying to get to their polling place. In this climate, it is unsafe for their health and it is made much harder to vote due to the GOP’s wish to keep people from the ballot box. How many areas have closed down voting places in minority or Democratic districts?
Some poll workers have gotten sick from being at the polls on voting day. I was a Democratic Poll Clerk for many elections but wouldn’t do that now.
Maybe ‘everyone’ knows that voting places can be sanitized but people getting sick proves that it isn’t being done.
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I think we should flip jacquilenhardt5598 attempt to start a Troll’s flame war here based on an unproven conspiracy theory to one that’s based on the facts.
Ten examples showing what Republicans are doing (not a conspiracy theory – based on FACTS) to manipulate and corrupt the election.
Polling Places in Black Communities Continue to Close Ahead of November Elections
This year alone, 10 counties with large black populations in Georgia closed polling spots after a white elections consultant recommended they do so to save money.
https://www.governing.com/topics/politics/sl-polling-place-close-ahead-of-november-elections-black-voters.html
Closed voting sites hit minority counties harder for busy midterm elections
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/10/30/midterm-elections-closed-voting-sites-impact-minority-voter-turnout/1774221002/
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – States across the American South have closed nearly 1,200 polling places since the Supreme Court weakened a landmark voting-discrimination law in 2013, according to a report released by a civil-rights group on Tuesday.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-locations/southern-us-states-have-closed-1200-polling-places-in-recent-years-rights-group-idUSKCN1VV09J
Confusion, Closed Polling Places Greet Voters on Election Day
https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2020-03-17/confusion-closed-polling-places-greet-voters-on-election-day
The U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling that federal judges have no power to police partisan gerrymandering – the practice of manipulating electoral district boundaries for political gain – likely will embolden politicians to pursue more extreme efforts free from the fear of judicial interference, experts said.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-gerrymandering/electoral-map-bias-may-worsen-as-u-s-gerrymandering-battle-shifts-to-states-idUSKCN1TU0G0
A North Carolina court just threw out Republicans’ gerrymandered state legislature map
North Carolina’s maps are horribly gerrymandered. This could have big implications for other states, too.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/3/20848087/north-carolina-court-republican-gerrymander-state-legislature-map
Republican Voter Suppression Efforts Are Targeting Minorities, Journalist Says
https://www.npr.org/2018/10/23/659784277/republican-voter-suppression-efforts-are-targeting-minorities-journalist-says
Voter purges: are Republicans trying to rig the 2020 election?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/31/voter-purges-republicans-2020-elections-trump
Republicans are making it harder for people to vote in key 2018 elections
The fight over voting rights in key 2018 states, briefly explained.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/25/18010928/2018-midterm-elections-voting-rights-purges
Block the Vote: Voter Suppression in 2020
https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020/
FACT: If you vote by mail, the voters do not have to worry about polling locations that have been closed making it harder to vote.
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It is, indeed, literally sickening. The long lines in WI, no social distancing & people not wearing masks.
Putting their lives on the line to vote. No one should have to do that.
Register now to vote by mail!
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Oh my Lord, is that what they are saying on Faux News? The Biden campaign hired 600 lawyers to challenge attempts by Republicans in states throughout the country to suppress the vote by various means, such as closing polling places in black and brown communities.
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“..such as closing polling places in black and brown communities.”
You mean like when Wisconsin held their primary during a pandemic and there were five polling places available in the entire city of Milwaukee, which accounts for 70% of the state’s black voters?
https://www.vox.com/2020/4/7/21212053/wisconsin-election-coronavirus-disenfranchised-voters
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Exactly, Dienne! One of the most egregious examples. Also happened in predominately black Marion county in Indiana, the country that Indianapolis is in.
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During the last election, the few polling places left open in black and brown communities in Georgia had seven-hour wait times and breathtakingly long lines with people standing right next to one another. Imagine those with people six feet apart. There is one reason and one reason only that Trump and the Trumpanzees want to suppress mail-in voting, and Trump has said it outright. There are more potential Democratic voters than Republican voters, by far. The higher the turnout, the less likely for Republicans to win. Here’s how Trump himself put it: “If everybody voted, Republicans would never win another election.”
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Bob Obama remarked at the funeral last week that they’ve gone past the time when they had to guess the number of jelly beans in a jar in order to vote. . . . but apparently not THAT far. CBK
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It’s freaking sickening. We’re holding elections that are like those in banana republics.
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Mail in voting is wildly successful in Utah, an extremely Republican state. Not a single instance of fraud in 10 years and much larger turn out. And Republicans still run the state and have supermajoroities in both the House and Senate. Mail in voting is NOT a “disaster “
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He’s nuts, but this behavior is no joke.
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This isn’t going to make the Idiot’s toddler (apologies to actual toddlers) tantrums any better:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/manhattan-da-cites-extensive-criminal-conduct-at-trump-organization-in-court-filing_n_5f284da7c5b6a34284be0eb8
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Trump is growing increasingly desperate and unhinged because he knows that when he no longer has presidential immunity, he’s facing prosecution in a long, long list of criminal criminal cases as well as an enormous number of civil suits. Sexual assault and rape. Money laundering. Bank and insurance fraud. Misappropriation of charitable funds. Melania was furious when he decided to run for office, I’ve read, and I suspect that this is because she is smarter than he (who isn’t?) and knew that all this would come out–all that he’s managed to hide via intimidation and pay-offs over the years. I suspect that history will lead with this: he was the Teflon Don v2.0, until he wasn’t.
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Democrats don’t need to use the pandemic to win the election.
.. because Trump is doing such a good job of using it to lose the election.
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Well said
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My first (relevant) comment involves the statement by Birx. Yes, it’s widespread now, in less than two weeks from the first case, it was detected in Washington, California, Chicago and Massachusetts. That sounds pretty widespread to me, and that was on February 1.
It’s so sad to see Birx lie so blatantly.
My second comment (irrelevant to the immediate topic, but relating to a healthcare problem that covid19 brought to the surface) involves the votes of BOTH the ‘presidents’ of the AFT and the NEA regarding the inclusion of a Democratic Party Plank supporting Medicare For All (universal single-payer healthcare)… Although both ‘leaders’ publicly claimed to support such a system, and between 70% and 80% of the American public want such a system, both leaders of the ‘Teachers unions’ voted against it when push came to shove. Can anyone justify this vote?
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It is, however, wonderful to see her being abandoned so quickly by the Idiot. Any institution that would hire her after this is one to be avoided…like the plague.
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Trump. Is. Insane.
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I don’t know, Greg. Lately, he seems to be growing in the job. Just this last week he uttered the historic first truth of his Presidency, saying, “Nobody likes me.”
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Remember the cowboy that showed up at 45 of Trump’s campaign rallies during the 2016 presidential election singing Trump’s praises.
Well, Trump’s former Troubadour also hates Trump now. The video runs for 10 minutes with ads. 4:30 minutes into the video, we hear the first revelation that Trump was a liar and a con man.
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Thanks, Lloyd! And then there were the old white men standing in the crowds at Trump rallies with Latinos for Trump and Blacks for Trump signs. And what former Trump maladministration employee doesn’t now say things like, “He has the understanding of a fifth- or sixth-grader”?
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That video, Lloyd, is extraordinarily moving!
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BTW, readers of this blog. If you haven’t read a novel or memoir by Lloyd Lofthouse, treat yourself. He’s extraordinarily talented!
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Thank you.
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Lloyd . . . my’ man . . . . CBK
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Bob LOL! Finally, some truth from Trump. CBK
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In Utah, you can drop off your mail in ballots at secure locations at city offices. So this whole “overwhelm the postal service” is crap. Not to mention that the postal system deals with the holiday rush just fine every year.
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Didn’t Trump refuse to fund a request from the USPS for $85 billion so they could keep operating through the year? I recall that the USPS said that their money would run out in September because not enough funds were coming in to cover expenses do to slowdowns from COVID-19.
https://www.gao.gov/key_issues/us_postal_service_financial_viability/issue_summary
Then to sabotage the USPS, Trump appoints a donor and ally as Postmaster.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/nation-world/trump-ally-louis-dejoy-named-postmaster-general/507-851eec1f-5e9a-466d-92be-a2d288871736
When Trump says the USPS won’t be able to deliver the mail-in ballots on time to be counted for the November election, it will be because his buddy running the USPS is doing all he can to slow up deliver in addition to the USPS running short of funds, thanks to Trump refusing to bail them out.
Trump reportedly said he would reject a bailout package if it included aid to keep the US Postal Service functioning
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-rejects-bailout-that-included-aid-to-usps-report-says-2020-4
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It’s changing, TOW. My husband noticed that several pieces of mail that he sent on the same day to the same place did not all arrive in a timely fashion. Half of them took six days as opposed to two for those that made it on time. Businesses are beginning to find packages are sitting in distribution centers for days as opposed to hours and the routes they are taking may be very convoluted.
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Trump is sabotaging the postal service to subvert the election.
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Yup.
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The Orange Moron is actually working to be sure mailed in ballots don’t get counted. Destroying the United States Postal Service is one more step to ensure he wins the election. We have to GET rid of this IDIOT.
I’ve been told by a friend who is actively working in political circles to be sure to mail in my ballot as soon as it arrives. The USPS will be overwhelmed.
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Mail Delays Fuel Concern Trump Is Undercutting Postal System Ahead of Voting
3 days ago
President Trump’s years long assault on the Postal Service and his increasingly dire warnings about the dangers of voting by mail are colliding as the presidential campaign enters its final months. The result has been to generate new concerns about how he could influence an election conducted during a pandemic in which greater-than-ever numbers of voters will submit their ballots by mail.
In tweet after all-caps tweet, Mr. Trump has warned that allowing people to vote by mail will result in a “CORRUPT ELECTION” that will “LEAD TO THE END OF OUR GREAT REPUBLICAN PARTY” and become the “SCANDAL OF OUR TIMES.” He has predicted that children will steal ballots out of mailboxes. On Thursday, he dangled the idea of delaying the election instead.
Members of Congress and state officials in both parties rejected the president’s suggestionand his claim that mail-in ballots would result in widespread fraud. But they are warning that a huge wave of ballots could overwhelm mail carriers unless the Postal Service, in financial difficulty for years, receives emergency funding that Republicans are blocking during negotiations over another pandemic relief bill.
At the same time, the mail system is being undercut in ways set in motion by Mr. Trump. Fueled by animus for Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, and surrounded by advisers who have long called for privatizing the post office, Mr. Trump and his appointees have begun taking cost-cutting steps that appear to have led to slower and less reliable delivery….
http://a.msn.com/01/en-us/BB17qDAp?ocid=se
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It is apparent that Trump started this plot rolling months ago. Whatever we imagine Trump will do to steal the election, what he actually does will be worse. For a dark, evil monster, he is one of the most transparent crooks ever. With Trump, there is no guesswork. His lies, manipulations, thefts, et al, seem to be out in the open where anyone can easily figure out what he is up to. I’ve read that even his deplorable followers know this, too, but they do not care.
“They are warning that a huge wave of ballots could overwhelm mail carriers”
When we drop our completed and signed mail-in ballots in one of those blue mailboxes or at a local post office, those ballots are all shipped to one (or a few) address in each state. And most cities, at least in California, provide nearby drop off locations. I don’t know if that means those ballots bypass the USPS and are moved by state employees or courier services.
The ballots going out from the state to voters will be a burden to deliver.
Returning, completed, and signed ballots flowing back to the state not so much since they all go to one or a few addresses instead of millions of individual addresses.
That means once voters get their ballots, they must vote the same day and return it to the closest post office or one of those nearby drop off locations the state provides.
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Our mail goes to a distribution center where it gets sorted probably by the recipients’ email address. It may go directly to a local PO or it may go to another distribution center that sorts it again. The distribution centers are being slowed down, so mail can sit there, at one or more centers, before it ever reaches a mail carrier at the local PO. With the PO on an austerity budget, it is easy to justify all cost cutting measures, like no overtime. In areas of high population density, it is easy to create havoc.
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Those distribution centers use machines to scan the mail and sort it.
Slowing the process down is apparently deliberate sabotage by the stooge Trump put in charge of the US Post Office. Trump’s stooge has his orders from his mafia boss or should I say, Mafia Don?
Wasn’t it yesterday that Trump made a big deal out of 12,000 mailed ballots in New York City being rejected?
Mail-in ballots are being used all over the country, why would Trump focus on New York City?
ANSWER: Trump knew this was going to happen in New York City before it happened. He was ready. He knew because he called someone he knows in New York City and asked for a favor.
Who did Donald Trump ask to sabotage the mail-in ballots in New York City?
“Just What Were Donald Trump’s Ties to the Mob?”
“In his signature book, The Art of the Deal, Donald Trump boasted that when he wanted to build a casino in Atlantic City, he persuaded the state attorney general to limit the investigation of his background to six months. Most potential owners were scrutinized for more than a year. Trump argued that he was “clean as a whistle”—young enough that he hadn’t had time to get into any sort of trouble. He got the sped-up background check, and eventually got the casino license. …
“No other candidate for the White House this year has anything close to Trump’s record of repeated social and business dealings with mobsters, swindlers, and other crooks. Professor Douglas Brinkley, a presidential historian, said the closest historical example would be President Warren G. Harding and Teapot Dome, a bribery and bid-rigging scandal in which the interior secretary went to prison. But even that has a key difference: Harding’s associates were corrupt but otherwise legitimate businessmen, not mobsters and drug dealers.
“This is part of the Donald Trump story that few know. As Barrett wrote in his book, Trump didn’t just do business with mobbed-up concrete companies: he also probably met personally with Salerno at the townhouse of notorious New York fixer Roy Cohn, in a meeting recounted by a Cohn staffer who told Barrett she was present. This came at a time when other developers in New York were pleading with the FBI to free them of mob control of the concrete business.”
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-2016-mob-organized-crime-213910
I wonder if the NSA’s supercomputer is keeping track of all of Trump’s phone calls.
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“Those distribution centers use machines to scan the mail and sort it.”
Yes, and your point is…? I know we essentially agree with each other that Trump has been trying to slow mail processing, so I am confused as to what you are trying to say. Reports of slowdown have to do with the human part of the equation. As far as I know, they are not damaging machinery so the fact that machines are part of the sorting process is immaterial. Have you ever tracked a package across the country? All they have to do is add a few additional sorting stops to slow the process way down. It’s like a cheap airline fare where you stop three times and change flights before you reach your final destination. Or, as they are reportedly doing, slowing the pace of the process down by sending people home without completing a run that normally would have been completed.
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To do what you suggest would take many people, not just Trump’s stooge in charge. With too many people involved in deliberately slowing the mail, there would be leaks and eventually, someone would speak up and become a whistle blower, even if it meant they’d lose their job when Trump fired them and called them a liar like he calls everyone that refuses to bend a knee to this want-to-be emperor.
Everything Trump does blows up in his face and hits him with lower poll numbers that Moscow Mitch cannot manipulate or control for Trumpty Dumpty.
I think this too will backfire on Trump.
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https://www.npr.org/2020/07/29/894799516/pending-postal-service-changes-could-delay-mail-and-deliveries-advocates-warn
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/n7w9nd/usps-package-delays-mail-slowdown-hurts-small-businesses
They have spoken up. These are the little guys who have no power and are unlikely to come out publicly. The power of the grapevine, and they do comment, just anonymously. No overtime in a system that has already been starved financially is an easy way to slow the process.
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The tactic is to crush the working man by cutting off his income. This tactic has been used before to destroy any power the middle class has.
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Sent to me by a friend. Not sure if it’s a joke or from’s today’s briefing:
Donald took a quick trip to Rome to show his concern for the Pope: “I met with Pope Francis today. He’s a really great pope — great, great pope. You know he’s the leader of the Catholic Church — big church. “I couldn’t believe it when he told me how many Catholics there are. Way more than I thought. They have churches all over the world; some are very, very close (so close) to my hotels and golf courses.
“He tells me he’s elected for life, probably copying that Xi guy in China. Fantastic idea, though. Fantastic. It turns out the pope is a lot like me, you never see him with his wife.
“He told me he’s infallible. I said that’s great, you’ll never have to worry about breaking a hip. And told me about a Mary Magdalene, beautiful girl, beautiful. Apparently a hooker. I asked him for her number. Didn’t catch his answer. I’m told he said it in Latin. I give the guy credit because he doesn’t look Latino.
“He took me into the Sistine Chapel. Beautiful ceiling. Not the usual white stucco stuff. I don’t think too many people even know about this place. The paintings are great, I’m telling you. Lots of colors.
“The Pope (great guy, by the way, knows more about the Bible than almost anybody — we got along great, I think he really likes me) told me the whole thing was painted by this young Italian. I think his name is Mike Langelo. “At least that’s what Francis (we’re great friends) called him, I think. Trust me, we’re going to hear more about this guy. He’s really artistic, and everybody tells me I have the greatest eye for the best art. It’s natural, just like my incredible understanding of science. All the renowned scientists say they can’t believe it.
“I told Frank I’d like to buy some of Mike’s art. I asked if Mike’s done anything on velvet. He’ll check (great guy). I’ll hang his stuff at Mar-a-Lago or Trump Tower. This Mike guy needs more exposure. He’s too much with the churches.
“He could paint my presidential portrait on the Capitol Dome. Or maybe a mural on my big, beautiful border wall; but just on our side.
“When we left, the pope gave me a bible. Huge book. (Huge.) I told him I have the full set. You get one for free every time you take a porn star to a hotel room.
“Unbelievable. Just heard. The lamestream media is at it again. Fake news. (Fake news.) I just saw something on TV. They claim Mike the painter died 450 years ago. Sad. I’ve already got people looking into this and you won’t believe what they’re finding.”
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That’s our Donald! ROFLMAO!
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When you all read Mary Trump’s book (& you will!), you will see every single behavior described throughout his adult life. An example leading up to his threatened lawsuit today is on Page 138:
“He had a…superficial charm, even charisma, that sucked certain people in. When his ability to charm hit a wall, he deployed another ‘business strategy’: throwing tantrums during which he threatened to bankrupt or otherwise ruin anybody who failed to let him have what he wanted. Either way, he won.”
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‘Slow the testing down’ should start FIRST with the Great Chosen One. He gets tested several times a day which means he KNOWS exactly why testing is important.
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As Trump downplays Covid-19 testing, White House begins requiring it
The move comes as Trump has tried to attribute the surge in U.S. cases to increased testing.
By GABBY ORR
08/03/2020 12:32 PM EDT
…“As part of our ongoing efforts to protect the health and safety of the entire White House Complex, randomized testing of Executive Office of the President staff, which has been ongoing for several months, will become mandatory rather than voluntary,” a White House spokesperson said in a statement to POLITICO.
“Failure to report to testing will be considered a refusal to test,” the email stated.
The development comes less than two months after Trump claimed greater testing capabilities make the U.S. “look bad” compared to other countries with fewer confirmed cases. At a June campaign rally in Tulsa, Okla., the president said he had asked his aides to “slow the testing down.”
But inside the White House, testing has become increasingly widespread amid continued outbreaks in states that began reopening earlier this summer.
During a routine press briefing late last month, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said Trump is sometimes tested “multiple times a day” for the deadly virus. The president later said, “I do probably on average a test every two, three days.”
One senior administration official said a colleague in the West Wing was once tested six times in a single day due to a mix-up with the results and a false-positive test. The same official said employees who work in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, located next to the White House, are tested each time prior to entering the West Wing…
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/03/white-house-requires-random-coronavirus-tests-390934
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Trump Reveals Self-Delusion Over COVID Statistics in Mind-Blowing Argument With Reporter
When presented with non-flattering statistics, Trump snaps at Axios’ Jonathan Swan: “You can’t do that.”
It’s sometimes hard to determine whether President Trump is being willfully misleading or if he truly believes what he’s saying. But an astonishing interview clip from Axios appears to show that Trump has genuinely managed to convince himself that his response to the coronavirus pandemic has been effective—because he only considers partial and deceptively flattering statistics to be true. Brandishing childishly simplistic, brightly colored COVID-19 graphs presumably provided to him by aides trying to keep him happy, Trump proudly tells Axios’ Jonathan Swan that the U.S. is “lower than the world,” without elaborating. When Swan looks at the chart, it becomes clear Trump is only considering death as a proportion of coronavirus cases—not as a proportion of population, which shows the U.S. is faring very badly. Trump snaps back: “You can’t do that.”…
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-reveals-self-delusion-over-covid-statistics-in-mind-blowing-argument-with-reporter?source=email&via=desktop
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If this happened in 2016, how much lying is he going to do if he loses the election in November 2020?
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Donald Trump: ‘I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally’
November 27, 2016
Trump’s argument is a bigger version of the claim he has made for months — that there is rampant voter fraud in America.
“It’s largely a rigged system. And you see it at the polling booths, too,” he said this month. “There are reports that when people vote for Republicans the entire ticket switches over to Democrats. You’ve seen that. It’s happening at various places today. It’s been reported. In other words, the machines, you put down a Republican and it registers as a Democrat. They’ve had a lot of complaints about that today.”…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/27/donald-trump-i-won-the-popular-vote-if-you-deduct-the-millions-of-people-who-voted-illegally/
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Trump is the only person who ever won an election and then complained that it was fraudulent and tried (unsuccessfully) to create a task force of cronies to find the fraud that denied him the popular vote. No one ever found evidence of his absurd claims.
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I thought Jared had brought peace to the Middle East and now, just to occupy his time, helped this country on COVID-19. /s
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Secretary Of Failure
Aug 5, 2020
The Lincoln Project
Jared Kushner is just like his father-in-law: a failure.
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Jared was also in charge of Middle East peace. How’s that going?
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Back in March 2017, Think Progress reported “7 jobs Jared Kushner is now doing for the United States of America – Trump’s son-in-law has been put in charge of pretty much everything”
Jared is responsible for negotiating peace in the Middle East
Jared is responsible for solving America’s opioid epidemic
Jaren is responsible for diplomacy with Mexico
Jared is responsible for diplomacy with China
Jared is responsible for reforming care for veterans
Jared is responsible for reforming the criminal justice system
7.Jared is responsible for reinventing the entire government and making it work like a business
https://archive.thinkprogress.org/7-jobs-jared-kushner-is-now-doing-for-the-united-states-of-america-6f0a799462ed/
In June 2020, the Daily Mail reported: “Donald Trump put Jared Kushner in charge of series of foreign policy areas including ‘stopping Mexican caravans’ but was furious when his son-in-law controlled which foreign leaders got put through to Oval Office
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8436089/Donald-Trump-Jared-Kushner-charge-series-foreign-policy-areas.html
The Daily Beast reported “Trump has Put Kushner in Charge of Pardons”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-has-put-jared-kusher-in-charge-of-pardons-says-report
Another site says “Jared Kushner Is the ‘De Facto President of the United States” according to a former White House official
https://www.gq.com/story/kushner-de-facto-president
In Trump’s limited 4th grade lexicon, the word “responsible” means “WRECK and RUIN” and then lie and declare it was a success.
Jared seems to be the only crook that Trump trusts to carry out more crimes of failure.
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Tucker: In a normal year, Biden’s VP options wouldn’t be qualified
Aug 3, 2020
Fox News
America awaits Joe Biden’s pick for vice president.
#FoxNews #Tucker
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Left Coast talks about spirit-murderingsystems. FWIW, here is a philosophical narrative about the thought-errors that lay deep behind spirit-murdering and that is born of the misguided “scientific” testing and hyper-accountability that is current fare in education (citation at end, my parens and emphases): FWIW/CBK
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“The extraordinary success of the physical sciences naturally enough led investigators of the organism, the psyche, and intelligence (humans) to a servile rather than an intelligent adoption of the successful procedures.
“In physics and chemistry, measuring is a basic technique that takes inquiry from the relations of things to our senses to their relations to one another. But when one mounts to the higher integrations of the organism, the psyche, and intelligence, one finds that measuring loses both in significance and in efficacy.
“It loses in significance, for the higher integration is, within limits, independent of the exact quantities of the lower manifold it systematizes. Moreover, the higher the integration, the greater the independence of lower quantities, so that the meaning of one’s dreams is not a function of one’s weight, and one’s ability in mathematics does not vary with one’s height.
“Besides this loss in significance, there is also a loss in efficacy. Classical method can select among the functions that solve differential equations by appealing to measurements and empirically established curves. What the differential equation is to classical method, the greater notion of development is to genetic method. But while the differential equation is mathematical, the general notion of development is not.
“It follows that, while measurement is an efficacious technique for finding boundary conditions that restrict differential equations, it possesses no assignable efficacy when it comes to particularizing the general notion of development. . . . The student of development also must employ insight, but . . . must not (self-restrict) to the particular types relevant to physics and chemistry. On the contrary . . . .”
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(Bernard Lonergan, Insight: A Study of Human Understanding, 2000, pp. 488-89)
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Caroline,
Your opening salvo set me off a bit. You see, very few people have any background in science, and often speak from a platform of ignorance. I spent most of my working life teaching science.
However, I then noted that you put “science” in parenthesis in your first paragraph. I read your excerpt by Lonergan and could found little to disagree with if I ignored your emphases. In fact, Lonergan’s first sentence sums up the content of the piece. He points out the misuse of science, the adoption of trappings (just as when physicians began wearing white coats in the early 20th century) in order to appear to be ‘scientific’ so as to fool the majority.
I find no fault with a pioneer such as Adam Smith. At that time, attempting to expand the scientific technique to understand more complex systems seemed a logical move. However, I think that most economic thinkers have failed to follow his lead. When the ‘Chicago Boys’ were given free rein to construct the economy in Chile after the assassination of Allende they used their brains to install a system that led to a brutal police state and the eventual overthrow of the government. However, they didn’t go ‘back to the drawing board’ to redesign their system. Instead, they sought excuses. This isn’t science, it’s dogmatism.
‘Science’ is the use of inductive logic. An organism encounters an outside stimulus, attempts to reconcile what just occurred with other experiences stored in the nervous system so as to be able to predict future stimulate in similar circumstances. Then, the organism weighs the strength of the internally constructed ‘model’ with future stimuli. This is the logic of nature. It is not ‘spirit deadening’.
Mathematics is used in science only because it has proven to be a useful tool; however it is secondary to the process. Deductive systems (like mathematics, or chess) start from a set of ‘basic truths’. Science, being inductive, starts from observation and refuses to accept any ‘truth’ as being untouchable. Thus science, in fact, releases the spirit (if I understand your use of the word).
The spirit was hardly free during the European dark ages when there was no science in that culture. The spirit was, instead, repressed to the point that people ignored what that saw because it didn’t fit with the ‘basic truths’ they were taught. Neither did the ‘humanities’ prosper during that long era. The “Tale of Genji” was written at a time when Europeans feared revealing their personal thoughts or interpretations. For a good review of how that sad, spirit-repressed, unscientific society came about, read “The Closing of the Western Mind”, by Charles Freeman.
But, your comment seems to concern ‘educational testing’, and I do agree that the testing regimen teaches obedience to the ‘basic truth’ and is, thus, spirit-deadening. I was never comfortable ‘grading’ my students. I might also point out that grading and testing has nothing to do with science. For a good read on the logical fallacy upon which such testing rests, try an old book by Stephen Jay Gould entitled, “The Mismeasurment of Man”. So far as I can see, it reveals a tautology that still infects so much of our thinking regarding ‘measurement’ in schools.
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Daedalus: My putting “science” in quotes is related to the so-called ‘scientific’ “testing and hyper-accountability that is current fare in education.” They are not scientific nor are their applications based on anything to do with qualified pedagogical or educational theory. To use Lonergan’s term in my quote, the testing mania is a “servile rather than an intelligent adoption of the successful procedures” that the empirical physical sciences rightly rely on.
The social sciences, humanities, philosophy and theoretical developments in the arts and history can develop from an empirical beginning in the lab and in using methods applied to distinctly human experiences, but only rightly by accounting intelligently for human rather than merely physical data in controlled laboratory experimentation. Humans develop humanly . . . it’s grossly unintelligent and even unscientific to fail to account for differences in data when developing your theory or your field-specific methods.
Also, the historical change you seem to be giving an account of was a long and messy shift of thought from classical “first principles” to adopting the critical tenets of empirical method, and from a commonsense “things to me” relationship to scientific “things to other things” relationship.
We still haven’t made that shift entirely in people’s heads, at least in my experience and readings in academia and in my personal relations. On the other side of the spectrum, too many in the sciences have yet to recover a full appreciation for the arts and humanities, and especially their own. The philosophical problems go deep, indeed (natural science data is real; everything else is not); and are difficult to change even when we become conscious of them, sort of like implicit bias, only they are philosophical and so highly pervasive to everything else, and so to the spirit. The whole thing puts several sets of false guardrails on our thinking and questioning.
So as you seem to also be saying, there is a spirit-deadening that lives in many across the spectrum of thought. As a relevant aside, Smith’s companion book to his economics, on morality, has been all but lost to history as far as I can tell.
I appreciate your thoughtful response, CBK
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Caroline,
Forgive my tardiness. I wanted to think about your response because there were so many points to discuss. I fear I may not make it all the way through. And, please don’t consider any of my ‘barbs’ as a personal attack. Instead, they are presented in a somewhat ‘artistic’ way, designed to stimulate a response.
Before I proceed, let me say that we need to be very careful about language. We are communicating in prose, not poetry. The object is to convey our thoughts with precision. Thus, definitions are important. Unless we can agree on the meaning of our words, communication is impossible. The word ‘humanities’, for example, appears to be a bit fuzzy. Does it include the ‘performing arts’ or doesn’t it? It appears to include ‘philosophy’, but does that mean Bertrand Russell? Is Analytic Philosophy considered a ‘philosophy’ and, for that matter, why isn’t science considered a philosophy? Is the history of the philosophical basis for modern science ever taught by ‘humanities’ teachers? Why not?
First, let me say that your opening of the first paragraph made perfect sense to me, and confirmed both my personal view and my (upon reflection) understanding of your intent. I’m glad that you picked on the ‘physical sciences’ because I know far more about them (degrees in Astronomy and Physics) than I do about the ‘biological sciences’, even though I spent some time in a biochemistry department. The physical sciences do not rely on a “servile rather than an intelligent adoption of the successful procedures” unless you consider inductive reasoning to be ‘servile’ and deduction to be somehow superior (an attitude thoroughly at home in the European dark ages). I’m sure you recognize that the word ‘servile’ has a negative connotation, and thus influences the meaning by indicating a distaste, an evaluative ‘bad’. “Intelligent”, of course, means ‘good’. And, coming from someone that considers ‘intelligence testing’ to be a fraud, as do I, the ONLY meaning of ‘intelligent’ is ‘good’. Or, perhaps, you consider ‘reasoning’ to be ‘servile’ to emotion. Indeed, ‘reasoning’ was investigated by the classical Greek philosophers so as to organize and prioritize our animal (inhuman) emotional perception, but you aren’t advocating (as a ‘humanist’) that we devolve to the point of animalistic emotional response, are you? Even animals use symbols as signals (tail wags, snarls, etc.), however their lexicon is very different, and their ability to communicate with us is limited. After all, it’s the complexity of our symbolic communication that distinguishes us from other species (they say). It’s an important part of what make us ‘human’.
In the interest of brevity, let me pick one your paragraphs. If you wish to discuss another, please do so because I’m confused about each of them.
Let’s choose, however, your second paragraph. I may not make it past your opening sentence. The one starting with “The social sciences …..”. First, I note that you appear to separate ‘humanities’ from not only science and engineering (as is academically traditional), but also from social science, philosophy, and “theoretical developments in the arts and history”. I’m somewhat familiar with ‘music theory’ (is music an ‘art’?), and none of it came out of a ‘lab’. (Not that a ‘lab’ in any way defines science. A ‘lab’ is simply a workshop, similar to an art studio or a music room or, say, an isolated place to write a novel).
Next, you use the word ‘intelligent(ly)’ again. As I said, that word has no descriptive meaning that differentiates one human being from another. In fact, it doesn’t even differentiate me from my dog. The word simply means ‘good’ (a value judgment uttered by the speaker or writer). In the case of the dog, ‘intelligent’ usually means ‘servile’. Again, I urge you to research the origins of intelligence testing to see that the concept wallows in racism and is defined using a tautology. When you use the term in your sentence, you really mean, “…but only [in a manner I like, or, perhaps, in a way currently approved by my clan] by accounting [in a way I approve of] for human rather than merely (demeaning) physical ( for some people also demeaning, a residue from the dark ages, although it could also mean stuff that we experience from the outside… see my impression of the dark ages, where the ‘demeaning’ meant denial) data…”.
Galileo did controlled experiments in a ‘lab’ to invent the notion of a ‘force (motive impulse?)’ coming from the earth. This was a bit of a heresy because everyone knew that ‘God’ controlled everything (however the ‘Devil’ seemed to have some influence.) Kepler had no experimental lab, but simply measured the positions of stars, then produced an iconoclastic model showing that Mars moved in a way that swept out equal areas in equal time, and it wasn’t a circle or even a circle on a circle. Newton needed no lab to propose that Galileo’s ‘gravity’ could explain Keplers elliptical orbits, which was HERESY because Newton claimed that the same forces that acted on Earth also acted in the heavens, thus driving another nail into the coffin of the established power of the Church/State. One need only read “The Tempest” to see the accepted model of the time, namely ‘the rules on Earth are different from those above the Earth, and between the Earth and the Moon strange stuff can happen. Beyond the Moon, the skies were in the hands of ‘God’, and thus, perfect. That’s why the planets had to move in circles, because a circle is perfect, it has no beginning and no end, you see?’. Both the prevailing story incorporated into ‘The Tempest’ by Shakespeare and Newton’s revisions were human creations. Why is one ‘science’ and the other a ‘humanity’?
So, one sentence is all I can do. It’s not as easy as some people think to communicate. Let’s clear up this first sentence and then move on, if both of us are up to it.
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My Canadian friend sent me this one. LOVE IT!!! One can dream‼️
Vote Him Away (The Liar Tweets Tonight)
Apr 21, 2020
Roy Zimmerman
by Roy Zimmerman and The ReZisters, featuring Sandy Riccardi. Made in collaboration with the Raging Grannies of Mendocino.
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Maher gives a fake eulogy about Donnie, hoping he’ll learn something and possibly change his ways. HA!
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New Rule: Here Lies Donald Trump | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)
Aug 8, 2020
Real Time with Bill Maher
Bill offers President Trump some insight into how he will be remembered when he’s gone.
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Caroline,
Forgive my tardiness. I wanted to think about your response because there were so many points to discuss. I fear I may not make it all the way through. And, please don’t consider any of my ‘barbs’ as a personal attack. Instead, they are presented in a somewhat ‘artistic’ way, designed to stimulate a response.
Before I proceed, let me say that we need to be very careful about language. We are communicating in prose, not poetry. The object is to convey our thoughts with precision. Thus, definitions are important. Unless we can agree on the meaning of our words, communication is impossible. The word ‘humanities’, for example, appears to be a bit fuzzy. Does it include the ‘performing arts’ or doesn’t it? It appears to include ‘philosophy’, but does that mean Bertrand Russell? Is Analytic Philosophy considered a ‘philosophy’ and, for that matter, why isn’t science considered a philosophy? Is the history of the philosophical basis for modern science ever taught by ‘humanities’ teachers? Why not?
First, let me say that your opening of the first paragraph made perfect sense to me, and confirmed both my personal view and my (upon reflection) understanding of your intent. I’m glad that you picked on the ‘physical sciences’ because I know far more about them (degrees in Astronomy and Physics) than I do about the ‘biological sciences’, even though I spent some time in a biochemistry department. The physical sciences do not rely on a “servile rather than an intelligent adoption of the successful procedures” unless you consider inductive reasoning to be ‘servile’ and deduction to be somehow superior (an attitude thoroughly at home in the European dark ages). I’m sure you recognize that the word ‘servile’ has a negative connotation, and thus influences the meaning by indicating a distaste, an evaluative ‘bad’. “Intelligent”, of course, means ‘good’. And, coming from someone that considers ‘intelligence testing’ to be a fraud, as do I, the ONLY meaning of ‘intelligent’ is ‘good’. Or, perhaps, you consider ‘reasoning’ to be ‘servile’ to emotion. Indeed, ‘reasoning’ was investigated by the classical Greek philosophers so as to organize and prioritize our animal (inhuman) emotional perception, but you aren’t advocating (as a ‘humanist’) that we devolve to the point of animalistic emotional response, are you? Even animals use symbols as signals (tail wags, snarls, etc.), however their lexicon is very different, and their ability to communicate with us is limited. After all, it’s the complexity of our symbolic communication that distinguishes us from other species (they say). It’s an important part of what make us ‘human’.
In the interest of brevity, let me pick one your paragraphs. If you wish to discuss another, please do so because I’m confused about each of them.
Let’s choose, however, your second paragraph. I may not make it past your opening sentence. The one starting with “The social sciences …..”. First, I note that you appear to separate ‘humanities’ from not only science and engineering (as is academically traditional), but also from social science, philosophy, and “theoretical developments in the arts and history”. I’m somewhat familiar with ‘music theory’ (is music an ‘art’?), and none of it came out of a ‘lab’. (Not that a ‘lab’ in any way defines science. A ‘lab’ is simply a workshop, similar to an art studio or a music room or, say, an isolated place to write a novel).
Next, you use the word ‘intelligent(ly)’ again. As I said, that word has no descriptive meaning that differentiates one human being from another. In fact, it doesn’t even differentiate me from my dog. The word simply means ‘good’ (a value judgment uttered by the speaker or writer). In the case of the dog, ‘intelligent’ usually means ‘servile’. Again, I urge you to research the origins of intelligence testing to see that the concept wallows in racism and is defined using a tautology. When you use the term in your sentence, you really mean, “…but only [in a manner I like, or, perhaps, in a way currently approved by my clan] by accounting [in a way I approve of] for human rather than merely (demeaning) physical ( for some people also demeaning, a residue from the dark ages, although it could also mean stuff that we experience from the outside… see my impression of the dark ages, where the ‘demeaning’ meant denial) data…”.
Galileo did controlled experiments in a ‘lab’ to invent the notion of a ‘force (motive impulse?)’ coming from the earth. This was a bit of a heresy because everyone knew that ‘God’ controlled everything (however the ‘Devil’ seemed to have some influence.) Kepler had no experimental lab, but simply measured the positions of stars, then produced an iconoclastic model showing that Mars moved in a way that swept out equal areas in equal time, and it wasn’t a circle or even a circle on a circle. Newton needed no lab to propose that Galileo’s ‘gravity’ could explain Keplers elliptical orbits, which was HERESY because Newton claimed that the same forces that acted on Earth also acted in the heavens, thus driving another nail into the coffin of the established power of the Church/State. One need only read “The Tempest” to see the accepted model of the time, namely ‘the rules on Earth are different from those above the Earth, and between the Earth and the Moon strange stuff can happen. Beyond the Moon, the skies were in the hands of ‘God’, and thus, perfect. That’s why the planets had to move in circles, because a circle is perfect, it has no beginning and no end, you see?’. Both the prevailing story incorporated into ‘The Tempest’ by Shakespeare and Newton’s revisions were human creations. Why is one ‘science’ and the other a ‘humanity’?
So, one sentence is all I can do. It’s not as easy as some people think to communicate. Let’s clear up this first sentence and then move on, if both of us are up to it.
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Hello Daedaus: It’s Catherine and not Caroline, but that’s okay.
Also, to your note, and to be VERY brief but I hope thorough, I understand your point about definitions more than you know. But I fear that what is a common distinction in technical documents puts us way out of the blog-o-sphere. Also, though I’ve answered your note below briefly, and though I appreciate the movement, I doubt Diane wants this discussion furthered on her blog. that said, here is my response, fwiw:
About the ‘humanities’, I only mean to distinguish human inquiry about humans and history from that of the natural sciences . . . a most general distinction, but nothing more than that. Also, I am putting any of those human or natural fields as undergoing legitimate methodological and theoretical inquiry. But of course humans are more complex and so are more than what science can tell us about ourselves. In that vein, where philosophy is concerned, I am referring to all of the philosophical fields of inquiry, including cognitional theory, epistemology, metaphysics, etc.
Re: Teachers of humanities teaching philosophy? IF they have the background, as with any field requiring expertise to teach it. But NO, if they don’t have such expertise.
YES, I meant by “servile” the negative, insofar as human inquiry CAN be critical and theoretical (scientific); but I also mean that “scientific” refers to method and theoretical treatment of data. . . it does not refer merely to specific (natural science) data only, but also to human data. Special methods and theory development need to take into account human data. To be servile is to expect the same kinds of data to results as we find in the natural sciences or, worse, to think human data is not real or legitimate data unless it acts like natural science data–that’s what I mean by servile . . .to think physics inquiry is the same as human inquiry, or else it cannot be critical; and to fail to take into account human data and history in both methodical and data development as major concerns for their fields. Big difference.
Also, NO to your “emotional response” question. And YES about the symbolic differences (the philosophical aspects of this my own specialty.) Also, cognitional theory does CLEARLY distinguish animal from human intelligence . . . your dog from you. Human cognition DOES have descriptive meaning that breaks into theoretical explanations quite well. The otherwise assumption carried around by many scientists is a real block to further developments in their own and in the other sciences, including for those involved in integrative inquiry.
Your comments here show to me, again, how legitimate differentiation of fields has become so far flung as to harbor dysfunction . . .we have become remarkably deaf to anything new coming from other fields, especially if it runs up against a philosophical bias.
Also, my guess is from reading your note that you are not understanding the GENERAL nature of my comments (more general than you seem to think.) Also, I’m quite aware of the history of cultures before the emergence of the scientific revolution, and after.
I do appreciate the discussion. CBK
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Daedelus: I responded to your note, but it went into moderation. I presume it will show up eventually. BTW, It’s Catherine and not Caroline, but that’s okay. CBK
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Thanks, Catherine…. sorry. I’m looking forward to your response.
Speaking or the meaning of words, you know ‘going to moderation’ sometimes means ‘trashed’. Should we look for a different venue for our conversation?
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Moderation here does not mean trashed. Unless you are a troll. Our most faithful contributors have been put in moderation at one time or another. During the Kavanaugh hearings, his name was enough to go into moderation.
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Your initial response came out of ‘moderation’ right after you sent this! So, now I must read an respond.
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Daedalus: Diane didn’t say, but I’m not keen on such long and technical discussions on this blog? You suggested earlier that we take it offline. That would be fine with me, though under some time constraints. We could connect through another less public forum that I belong to, or some other way? CBK
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Catherine,
I did get your latest post on the Ravitch blog (at first reading, I think there’s much upon which we agree, however, once again, I feel you sell ‘science’ a bit short. But, I’m still enjoying our chat. I’ve begun to fabricate a response to your latest post (don’t hold your breath!), however careful reading takes time. (Honestly, I’m not a slave to linguistic analysis. In fact, I rebelled against it as a graduate student. Yet, I have found it more helpful that I could have predicted. But it can be ‘spirit deadening’ (frustrating and incomplete))
I do agree that these rather technical discussions must be boring to most of the readers of the Ravitch blog. We are attempting to interpret jargon to each other (I think), and jargon is precisely defined, however specific to certain areas of study. I doubt that anyone other than you, me, and Diane are actually reading this dated thread. I hate to cut out Diane, but I suggest my personal email if you wish.. jwund@frontiernet.net
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Daedalus About science: Your reference to the use of technical terms is appropriate to the distinct field of philosophy also. Here, because philosophy concerns knowledge as such, and because science is a distinct kind of knowledge, we give a technical definition to it and to theoretical thought. In my corner of the field, we juxtapose (a) the generality, clarity, and definition of scientific thought and its hard-won tenets to (b) the broad and almost border-less field of commonsense knowledge and its discourse where, for instance, a wink-and-a-nod, and terms like fuzzy will do WELL to secure a needed communication.
This means that commonly (not always) those in other fields, like physics or psychology, who refer to philosophical meaning, or even to their field’s own philosophical foundations, in my thinking, run up against the question of what they mean by the terms science, theory, or scientific knowledge themselves; and do they consciously define and distinguish these from similarly-defined commonsense knowledge.
Most of the time, in my experience, most don’t make such distinctions; and the terms scientific or theory are used to mean all sorts of commonsense meaning. Often, “I theorize” just means “I speculate.” These references work well as long as we stay in commonsense discourse. However, when we move to theory-proper, we need to know the difference if any forward progress in the discussion is to be had.
Otherwise, it’s less of an insightful discussion than like playing whack-a-mole . . . which is what we seem to be doing with our ideas of science in our earlier discussion. And . . . the above should give you some insight into why I set the term science in quotation marks earlier.
But as fun as it is, I doubt Diane will weep too many tears on our quitting this discussion on her site. Regards, CBK
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Oops, thought I was responding to Catherine…. Thanks, Diane. Anyway, Catherine’s response made it, and probably needs to be digested for a day or two.
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This country is screwed up.
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Politico:
NIGHTLY NUMBER
25.5 percent
The proportion of young adults between 18 and 24 who say they’ve considered suicide in the past month because of the pandemic, according to new CDC data.
(For help, the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline can be reached at 1-800-273-8255.)
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The U.S. has many problems but what country doesn’t?
The proportion of young adults between 18 and 24 who say they’ve considered suicide in the past month because of the pandemic, was not all caused by the pandemic.
How the Teen brain works is also responsible.
“Many parents do not understand why their teenagers occasionally behave in an impulsive, irrational, or dangerous way. At times, it seems like teens don’t think things through or fully consider the consequences of their actions. Adolescents differ from adults in the way they behave, solve problems, and make decisions. There is a biological explanation for this difference. Studies have shown that brains continue to mature and develop throughout childhood and adolescence and well into early adulthood.
“Scientists have identified a specific region of the brain called the amygdala that is responsible for immediate reactions including fear and aggressive behavior. This region develops early. However, the frontal cortex, the area of the brain that controls reasoning and helps us think before we act, develops later. This part of the brain is still changing and maturing well into adulthood.
“Other changes in the brain during adolescence include a rapid increase in the connections between the brain cells and making the brain pathways more effective. Nerve cells develop myelin, an insulating layer that helps cells communicate. All these changes are essential for the development of coordinated thought, action, and behavior. …
https://www.aacap.org/AACAP/Families_and_Youth/Facts_for_Families/FFF-Guide/The-Teen-Brain-Behavior-Problem-Solving-and-Decision-Making-095.aspx
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They deserve mail-in ballots. The rest of us don’t.[Gee, I see another golf trip in the plans.]
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Trump and Melania Requested Mail-In Ballots for Florida’s Primary: Report
IS ANYONE SURPRISED?
Allison Quinn
News Editor
Published Aug. 13, 2020 11:12PM ET
Nicholas Kamm/AFP/Getty
President Trump and first lady Melania Trump have reportedly requested mail-in ballots for Florida’s upcoming primary election, even as the president has railed against mail-in voting as supposedly being rife with fraud. Citing records of the Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections, CNN’s Ana Cabrera reports that the ballots were mailed to Mar-a-Lago on Wednesday. The president has spent weeks claiming, without evidence, that voting by mail will lead to election interference and widespread voter fraud in the Nov. 3 presidential election. He changed his tune on the practice last week—but only in the case of Florida, which he claimed is “safe and secure” from voter fraud even as the rest of the country is somehow compromised. Sources familiar with the matter told The Daily Beast at the time that Team Trump had finally realized the president’s constant fear-mongering could end up costing him Republican votes in the swing state.
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The next reporter should have asked the same question…and the next…and the next…and the next. Put his worthless butt on the line and learn that journalists won’t take it anymore. [It won’t help but it would make me feel better.] It’s about time someone asked him about all of his lies.
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Trump Had No Response When Asked If He Regrets All His Lies
08/13/2020
Donald Trump, a president whose persistent untruths and obfuscation led to a disastrous pandemic response that has left more than 165,000 people dead in the U.S., was asked if he regrets all the lies he’s told to the American people. He skipped the question.
HuffPost senior White House correspondent S.V. Dáte asked the president during Thursday’s coronavirus task force briefing if, after 3½ years, “do you regret at all all the lying you’ve done to the American people? All the dishonesties?”
“That who has done?” Trump replied.
“You have done,” said Dáte, who wrote at length about Trump’s “Ministry of Untruth” earlier this year.
Trump paused and then moved on to the next question.
Article: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-asked-regrets-lies-told-american-people_n_5f35b9d8c5b69fa9e2f8c551?ncid=engmodushpmg00000006
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NYT
By Maggie Astor
It took Trump just over 48 hours after Harris had joined the Democratic ticket to revive the racist “birther” conspiracy theory he promoted against President Barack Obama and direct it at her.
Speaking to reporters yesterday, Trump falsely suggested that Harris, who was born in California and is eligible for the vice presidency or presidency, was not eligible because her parents were immigrants. “I heard it today that she doesn’t meet the requirements,” he said.
“I have no idea if that’s right,” he added. “I would have thought, I would have assumed, that the Democrats would have checked that out before she gets chosen to run for vice president.”
The president was repeating a theory that has spread rapidly among his followers and that constitutional scholars called false and irresponsible.
Also yesterday, Trump said he planned to deliver his Republican National Convention speech from the White House lawn, a move that raised legal questions over the use of federal property for a campaign event.
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Immigration status has nothing to do with race. Democrats questioned John McCain’s eligibility because he was born in the Panama Canal region.
Kamala is going to have to put on her big girl pants. If she wants to be president (in mean v.p.). Lol The same way Sarah Palin did. It seems the media are setting her up to be a fainting couch feminist that needs the patriarchy to protect her.
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jacquilenhardt5598: “The same way Sarah Palin did.”
Kamala Harris is a very intelligent person. There is no comparison between her and Sarah Palin. McCain admitted that the chose the wrong person to run as V.P.
Former Republican Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin has claimed that Jesus supports the carrying of guns, and is a proponent of the Second Amendment, despite it being written over 1,500 years after His ministry on earth. “Jesus would fight for our Second Amendment,” Palin said.
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John McCain would have been the president if it had not been for Miss Cheerleader Palin. How anybody in the right mind thought Palin had enough intelligence to even service as the Vice President is totally beyond me. She fits the description of an “Air Head”.
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Sarah Palin was the Governor of the great state of Alaska. She was every bit as much qualified as Kamala, the home wrecker, Harri(Dan). Are you a misogynist? Airhead? I don’t think that Kamala is going to enjoy the Sarah Palin treatment.
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jacquinehard Can you REALLY not discern the huge range of differences between Sarah Palin and Harris?
The only relevant similarity that I can find is that they both have wonderful smiles–which plays well politically for even the dumbest among us. CBK
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I am not in the prediction business; however, in this singular case, I’d like to predict that the Remnant Republicans have left for vacation WITHOUT a bill as a high moment of POLITICAL TIMING.
That is, I predict that they will come back post-Labor Day and, right before the election, pass a bill that will put money in the pockets of a starved electorate; thereby securing votes from the immediate relief of many voters.
I hope I am wrong about the depravity of Trump, his Cabinet, and the Republican Congresspeople, but my sense of the last four years tells me naught. CBK
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