Erik Wemple of the Washington Post criticizes the New York Times for not allowing its reporters to tell the unvarnished truth. The Times suffers from “both side-ism.” The Times’s pretense of neutrality ends up falsifying the truth and distorting reality. The reality is that the president of the United States is an ignorant and malicious tyrant who endangers our democracy, our future, and the world.
There’s a provision in the New York Times ethics guidelines that limits what a news-side reporter may say during a television interview. “Generally a staff member should not say anything on radio, television or the Internet that could not appear under his or her byline in The Times,” note the guidelines.
Donald G. McNeil Jr. is a science and health reporter at the New York Times. He’s been analyzing the coronavirus story ever since the pandemic started roaring. His latest stop on that tour was an interview with Christiane Amanpour of CNN, where, well, let’s just say that McNeil said things that could not appear under his Times byline:
“We completely blew it for the first two months of our response. We were in a headless-chicken phase, and yes, it’s the president’s fault, it is not China’s fault. The head of the Chinese CDC was on the phone to Robert Redfield on Jan. 1, again on Jan. 8, and the two agencies were talking on Jan. 19. The Chinese had a test on Jan. 13; the Germans had a test on Jan. 16. We fiddled around for two months, we had a test on March 5 and it didn’t work. We didn’t have 10,000 people tested until March 15. So we lost two months there, and that was because of incompetent leadership at the CDC, I’m sorry to say — it’s a great agency, but it’s incompetently led, and I think Dr. Redfield should resign. And suppression from the top: I mean, the real coverup was the person in this country who was saying, you know, ‘This is not an important virus, the flu is worse, it’s all going to go away, it’s nothing.’ And that encouraged everybody around him to say, ‘It’s nothing, it’s nothing, it’s nothing.’ I had the same problem at the Times — I was trying to convince my editors, ‘This is really bad; this is a pandemic.’ It took a while to get them, it took a while to get anybody to believe this. … Getting rid of Alex Azar was a mistake — he was actually leading a dramatic response and then … in February he was replaced with Mike Pence, who’s a sycophant.”
Later in the interview, McNeil alighted on Trump’s briefing-room riffs about disinfectant and light as treatments for coronavirus. “This is not somebody whose grasp of the science is even third-grade-level,” said McNeil.
Had McNeil attempted to write in a New York Times story that “we blew it,” his editors might have inserted: “As coronavirus wended its way around the world, the Trump administration missed several critical opportunities to blunt its impact in America, according to interviews with 56 experts and current and former administration officials.”
Had McNeil attempted to write that the CDC was “incompetently led,” his editors would have inserted: “Decisions reached by Dr. Redfield over several weeks in January and February have drawn criticism from public health experts, who point to a slow-footed response that resulted in unnecessary deaths across the country. “
Had McNeil attempted to write that Pence is a “sycophant,” his editors would have inserted: “The White House swapped Azar for Pence, a leader more attuned to the president’s preferences and sensibilities, not to mention his taste for official praise.”
Then again, we don’t necessarily need to resort to make-believe New York Times writing voice. There’s actual news copy from the newspaper on Redfield’s shortcomings. On March 28, the newspaper published an investigation by six bylined reporters on how the administration lost month stumbling over itself in pursuit of a workable coronavirus test. “Dr. Robert R. Redfield, 68, a former military doctor and prominent AIDS researcher who directs the C.D.C., trusted his veteran scientists to create the world’s most precise test for the coronavirus and share it with state laboratories. When flaws in the test became apparent in February, he promised a quick fix, though it took weeks to settle on a solution,” reads the story, which goes on to note Redfield’s consensus approach and “deliberative” temperament.
In a statement to the Erik Wemple Blog, Times spokeswoman Danielle Rhoades Ha said, “In an interview with Christiane Amanpour today, Donald McNeil, Jr. went too far in expressing his personal views. His editors have discussed the issue with him to reiterate that his job is to report the facts and not to offer his own opinions. We are confident that his reporting on science and medicine for The Times has been scrupulously fair and accurate.”
That mild brushback seems appropriate in this case, though a specific mention of McNeil’s call for Redfield’s resignation might have been worthwhile. Such activism, after all, is extreme even for a veteran newsman exercising his analytical muscles in a freewheeling cable-news interview.
The mainstream media’s stated goal of neutral and officious-sounding analysis from reporters has been challenged repeatedly under President Trump. That’s because when it comes to Trump, sheer recitations of fact often double as condemnations.
“Good morning, presidential candidate Donald Trump last night told CNN that Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly had “blood coming out of her wherever,” a news anchor might have told her audience in August 2015.
The same dynamic emerges in a famous 2016 letter that the New York Times wrote after then-candidate Trump threatened a lawsuit against the paper for its coverage of Trump’s treatment of women. The letter from New York Times lawyer David McCraw read, in part:
“Mr. Trump has bragged about his non-consensual sexual touching of women. He has bragged about intruding on beauty pageant contestants in their dressing rooms. He acquiesced to a radio host’s request to discuss Mr. Trump’s own daughter as a “piece of ass.” Multiple women not mentioned in our article have publicly come forward to report on Mr. Trump’s unwanted advances. Nothing in our article has had the slightest effect on the reputation that Mr. Trump, through his own words and actions, has already created for himself.”
Facts, all of them — though they’re such terrible facts that they sound like biased denunciations. Such is the coronavirus backdrop — unfathomable pronouncements of incompetence, indifference and cluelessness from the president in public appearance after public appearance. What’s an experienced health reporter to say?

Fortunately, the Washington Post subscribes to one-sidei-sm (eg, on Bernie Sanders)😀
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Corporate media is also guilty of slanting the facts about how much coverage candidates are given. Vice TV just had a special called “Bernie Blackout.” It asserts that Bernie’s campaign received less coverage. The coverage he did get from the media tended to question his electability and his “radical policies.” https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-the-corporate-medias-blackout-of-bernie-sanders-2020-presidential-campaign
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It is absolutely true that Bernie Sanders was given lousy media coverage in the corporate media.
It is ALSO true that Elizabeth Warren was given lousy media coverage in the corporate media.
It is ALSO true that Joe Biden was given lousy media coverage in the corporate media.
I read 10x more stories — maybe 100x more stories — about all of Biden’s corruption and Burisma over the last years than I ever did about Bernie.
I read 5x as many stories about Biden’s campaign being DOA and the pressure on him to step out of the race than I did Bernie.
(Mostly the media just ignored Elizabeth Warren as non-existent unless they had a negative story to write about her).
Even the accounts of Tara Reade were elevated in a way that was astonishing. The majority of Trump and Kavanaugh accusers’ stories were never told because they had to meet a very high standard of perfection and proof to get media coverage. Like a payment to them from the Trump organization or a lifetime where there wasn’t a single instance of them lying to others to get something they wanted.
There were more stories about Tara Reade this year than about Trump’s accusers in 2016!
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nycpsp: I second that! Can’t claim anything near your regular reading of the NYT, but that’s been my general impression, too.
28 yrs in NJ, & I still get it delivered (only Sat-Sun, now). Sigh. Can’t break the habit (even got it delivered to my locker as an upstate-NY school kid… then there were those 20 yrs as a NYC denizen; faves were Tues science section, & recipes…) But at this point, I stick to Sat biz section, quick scan of Sun headlines… Puzzles!… [& have been reading the NYT Book Review wkly since I was in knee-socks].
For fairer news coverage & more interesting opinion columns, gotta say I prefer the WaPo. And not for nothing, they give me the 50% teacher discount online subscription even tho I’m just a PT PreK freelancer 😉
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YES! The NYT more than any other so-called “liberal” newspaper has been guilty of bending over backward to present as equal both sides, regardless of whether both sides ARE equal!
It doesn’t have to be this way. The NYT recently ran a brilliant piece about the French microbiologist Didier Raoult and his COVID-19 “cure”, written by Scott Sayare. It demonstrated the kind of balanced reporting that so many of the other reporters at the NYT either are not intellectually capable or trained to do, or are simply too lazy to do.
One can directly compare that reporting by Scott Sayare to the kind of reporting Eliza Shapiro does when it comes to education, presenting each sides as having equal weight and accepting any facts or studies that the charter movement presents to her in the most uncritical way. Her idea of balance is to include a disclaimer “teachers’ unions disagree”.
Scott Sayare took the time to explain why people disagreed with the “studies” presented by Trump’s favorite scientist, and it was absolutely clear from that reporting that both sides were NOT equal, and the “studies” presented were wrong.
As one critic of Raoult wrote: “My results always look amazing if I leave out the patients who died.”
Sayare took the time to delve deeply into WHAT the critics were saying and WHY they might be concerned and whether their concerns were valid.
Eliza Shapiro, when writing about charter schools, has ignored anyone who challenges claims of long wait lists or mentions high attrition rates, suspension rates, and disappearing students as simply unimportant. Or she believes that throwing in a line that says “critics who hate charters disagree” absolves her of any other journalistic responsibilities. Because Eliza Shapiro herself doesn’t wonder. She isn’t curious. She doesn’t care how many of the students are really gone, nor does she care how and when they are replaced.
If writer Scott Sayare was as incurious as Eliza Shapiro, he would have thrown in some line about critics questioning Raoult’s study, presenting the entire matter as a “he said, she said” argument where no reasonable person could ever judge who might be right. And that would be true because he would have done what Eliza Shapiro does and written the article so that no reasonable person could judge who might be right! Then he wouldn’t have to worry that Trump might get mad at him. I do wonder how worried Eliza Shapiro is about the powerful people who love charters getting mad at her if she practiced journalism the way Scott Sayare did instead of using the Fox News definition of “fair and balanced”.
It’s unfair for me to single out Eliza Shapiro, since that kind of lazy “both siderism” reporting is the way almost all the NYT White House/DOJ reporters covering Trump, Barr, and the Republicans write their stories.
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Shapiro’s reporting is pro-charter. Balance would be a step in the right direction.
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I am positive that Eliza Shapiro truly believes her reporting is not pro-charter, just like the reporters who dutifully reported on Trump’s response to COVID-19 believe they are not pro-Trump.
But when you can’t bother with presenting false claims as false, and you look for any reason to discredit those who challenge charters, and have no curiosity or desire to discredit those who promote charters, then you are not a journalist.
The problem is that they need to go back to Journalism School and learn again that being “fair and balanced” does not mean dutifully reporting whatever falsehoods and exaggerations one side says with a disclaimer that the other side challenges that.
Scott Sayere did reporting that explained for the reader why those who were critical of Raoult had very legitimate issues which made all of his claims suspect!
Like Eliza Shapiro, Scott Sayere ALSO includes heartfelt testimony from patients who believe they were cured because of Raoult’s treatment.
The big difference is that Sayere understood that happy patients have nothing to do with whether what is being touted as a miracle cure actually works. And Sayere acts like a journalist to help readers understand why Raoult’s results are being challenged.
So when reporter Sayere goes back to Raoult, and his only justification is:
“It might not be a miracle product, but it’s better than doing nothing, no?”
That comment – in the context of the article – comes off as one of the most self-serving, ridiculous justifications of falsely promoting results to imply a miracle that doesn’t exist!
Charters have gotten away with all kinds of terrible practices because too many education reporters actually believe that even if charters are not the miracle product advertised, “it’s better than doing nothing” and look, parents like it.
If reporter Sayere used the Eliza Shapiro practice of journalism, he would have played up the fact that patients believe that Raoult’s treatment cured them and the fact that “it’s better than doing nothing” and minimized the criticism of Raoult as simply “critics disagree”.
And his story would have been awful to most of us but maybe Eliza Shapiro would have been impressed with how fair and balanced he was!
“It might not be a miracle product, but it’s better than doing nothing, no?”
I suspect that is the underlying belief that influences all of Eliza Shapiro’s reporting on charters and justifies her lack of curiosity as to whether the outrageous claims of success are justified.
Scott Sayere understands that isn’t journalism.
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I would have agreed with you, NYCPSP, but I had an offline email exchange with Eliza Shapiro, who was outraged that I criticized her story claiming that “minority parents” want Democrats to support charters. The story said that “hundreds of thousands” of parents were on charter waiting lists, and she was not happy when I pointed out that the source for that statement was a five-year-old press release from a charter lobbying organization. We exchanged some words and I suggested that we meet for coffee. It is my experience that personal contact can soothe hard feelings. She refused to meet me because I–an 81-year-old woman of long experience–was untrustworthy. Hmmm.
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Diane, re: Eliza Shapiro’s non-response to you: GRRRRRR!!?@&$
nycpsp, please don’t forget ERICA GREEN in your diatribe. Her articles infuriate me!
[senior moment: can’t remember if Dana Goldstein is also on my s*** list 😉 ]
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Grrr is a polite response
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That is shocking that Shapiro would find you “untrustworthy” and yet she seems to implicitly trust the wait list statistics in a press release from a charter organization and implicitly trusts all the so-called “studies” that prove charter superiority. Talk about an age bias!
I went back to the NYT article that Eliza Shapiro is so defensive about.
The article states for the record: “But charter schools that serve mostly low-income children of color in large cities tend to excel academically.”
This is absolutely “true” in the same way that Scott Sayare could have written “Raoult’s patients who took hydroxychloroquine, an antimalarial drug, and azithromycin tended to improve health-wise”. That would have been “true”. But it would not be good journalism.
It would be useful for Shapiro to read Sayare’s article carefully to understand why critics believe her articles so frequently present a false picture to readers. Scott Sayare could have easily presented a similarly false picture of this new, wonderful COVID-19 treatment that so many of Raoult’s patients believe saved their lives. Sayare could have similarly characterized all criticisms as coming from Raoult’s enemies with an agenda, and left it at that. Instead, Scott Sayare carefully detailed the valid reasons the critics had to question Raoult’s claims of achieving miracle results.
In short, I hope if Eliza Shapiro considers you too “untrustworthy”, she will get Scott Sayare to help her understand where her journalistic skills could be improved. I suspect Sayare would explain that using waitlist numbers from an old press release as “fact” is probably not a good idea. I suspect Sayare would explain that when someone is promoting and hyping a new medicine or a new type of education, the fact that some patients or some parents really like it has nothing to do with whether its’ claims of being a miracle cure are true. And good journalistic practice should always include taking the critics of studies seriously and listening to them and understanding what they are critical of and examining whether there is any validity to those criticisms instead of simply dismissing them as people who who want this COVID miracle cure or charters to fail.
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In Shapiro’s defense, there are few persons more untrustworthy than a Brooklynite with Houstonian roots! “Don’t mess with the borough!”
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And don’t mess with Texas!
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Trump is a con artist. He founded the scam operation known as Trump University. He claimed to be a great businessman who built an enormous fortune with a small loan from his father. The small loan was almost three quarters of a million dollars. He ran numerous businesses into bankruptcy (Trump airlines, various casinos). He’s also a mobster, with a long history of illegal dealings, such as misappropriation of charitable funds and money laundering for Russian kleptocrats. He is, as the post above says, a serial sexual predator. He’s also one of the dumbest and least educated of adults. He’s the guy who had to as an aide what Pearl Harbor Day was about, the one who thought that the Continental Army took over the airports, that we should nuke hurricanes, that climate change is just weather, that injecting disinfectants might be a good idea, that Denmark might be interested in selling Greenland to us, that Alabama is on the East Coast, the Belgium is a city, that foreign countries pay the tariffs we place on their goods, that windmills cause cancer, and so on. He’s also a pathological narcissist who, in the middle of a pandemic, and talk and think only about himself, as his daily Trump pep rallies have shown. And he is so utterly amoral that he makes fun of people with disabilities, sexualized his own daughter, and screamed at his Secretary of Homeland Security because she wouldn’t order people to shoot unarmed refugees at our border. He has a long, long history of racist action and comments, including his lobbying to have the Central Park 5, who were exonerated, murdered by the state and his claim that freaking neo-Nazis were “good people.” He’s also greedy and rapacious, a fellow with a long history of stiffing contractors, one who has benefited enormously from illegal emoluments, and the guy who, after running as a champion of working people, got a huge tax cut passed for the wealthiest Americans and then went to his club, Mar-a-lago, and toId his dinner guests that he had just given them all a big Christmas present. It’s difficult to imagine anyone more unsuitable for this office, and it’s utterly shocking that an entire political party continues to lick the boots of this utter slimeball. History will not look kindly on those people who have enabled him.
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Oh, and I left out the fact that he is a wannabe fascist who believes that a president has absolute authority and celebrates real fascists around the world, as well as a traitor to his country who abandoned our allies, the Kurds, and has been a consistent servant of Vladimir Putin, undermining our NATO alliances, pulling out of Syria and leaving it to the Russians, and withdrawing us from the INF and Open Skies Treaties at a time when Russia has developed hypersonic nuclear missiles.
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cx: the three quarters of a million, above, should read three quarters of a BILLION!!! And this money wasn’t a loan.
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And now, added to all this, is his utter incompetence as a self-styled “wartime president” responding to the coronavirus pandemic with complete abandonment of responsibility, calls for rebellion (“Liberate Michigan”), and calls to open everything back up without having adequate testing and contact tracing in place so that we can test, trace, and isolate. And, of course, he is a pathological liar. You can tell he’s lying if his mouth is moving. He has lied, lied, lied about the testing: “Anyone who wants a test can get a test. Beautiful tests.” And he’s delusional–someone so far gone that he seems to believe his own lies.
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Bob,
It’s stunning reading that list of reasons why anything Trump or his White House sycophants say should be reported with any credibility.
And yet….everything that Trump and his White House sycophants say is dutifully reported, along with a statement that “Trump critics disagree”.
Trump could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and the NYT would report it as “White House officials, Attorney General William Barr and Trump explain that Trump has the right to shoot anyone he wants. Democrats in Congress disagree.”
And the “comprehensive” NYT reporter would continue:
William Barr explained “The Constitution gives Presidents the right to shoot someone and Congress has no oversight.” Nancy Pelosi said “the Constitution does not give Presidents the right to shoot someone.”
And the NYT journalist who wrote the above story would defend it on twitter as fair and balanced because Fox News was mad at them for including the Nancy Pelosi quote, so that proves that both sides don’t like it and it’s perfect!
George Orwell is turning over in his grave.
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nycpsp, “Trump could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and the NYT would report it as “White House officials, Attorney General William Barr and Trump explain that Trump has the right to shoot anyone he wants. Democrats in Congress disagree [etc]” — LMAO!! It is so hard to parody the absurdity of Trump admin as covered by MSM, as it’s inherently absurd, but uou did it!
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George was just off by a few years, and the technologies now available to the Barrs of the world are much more sophisticated. The Senate just passed a bill, btw, giving Barr the right to demand anyone’s browsing history, without any conditions on that. It would allow him, for example, to order up the browsing histories of every Democratic politician in the country.
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Trump always described himself as “the best,” “a winner.” This is the one area where I have to agree with him. Of politicians, he is the most Trump, as Trump will tell you, is the best. I quite agree. He is, of politicians, the most
abhorrent, amoral, anti-democratic, arrogant, authoritarian, autocratic, avaricious, backward, base, benighted, bloated, blubbering, blundering, bogus, bombastic, boorish, bungling, cheap, childish, clownish, clueless, common, confused, conniving, corrupt, cowardly, crass, creepy, cretinous, criminal, crowing, crude, cruel, dangerous, demagogic, depraved, devious, dim, disgraceful, dishonest, disloyal, disreputable, dissembling, dog-whistling, doltish, dull, elitist, embarrassing, erratic, fascist, foolish, gauche, gluttonous, greedy, grudging, hate-filled, hateful, haughty, heedless, homophobic, humorless, hypocritical, idiotic, ignoble, ignominious, ignorant, immature, inarticulate, indolent, inept, inferior, insane, intemperate, laughable, loathsome, loud-mouthed, low-life, lying, mendacious, meretricious, monstrous, moronic, narcissistic, needy, oafish, odious, orange, outrageous, pampered, pandering, perverse, petty, predatory, puffed-up, racist, repulsive, rude, sanctimonious, semi-literate, senile, senseless, sexist, shady, shameless, sheltered, slimy, sluglike, sniveling, squeamish, stupid, swaggering, tacky, thick, thin-skinned, thuggish, toadying, transphobic, trashy, treasonous, twisted, ugly, unappealing, uncultured, uninformed, unprincipled, unread, unrefined, vain, venal, vicious, vile, and vulgar.
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Bob Shepherd: Ohh. YOU are SO accurate. Wish I could send those descriptions to my two Trump friends and my brother. [They don’t understand how much they’ve been taken in by a con man with no morals.]
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The first scrotus potus
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Here we are, a once proud United States, run by a demented, delirious, 73-year-old con man and crook in clown makeup. Who could have imagined that we would sink this low?
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My God, Bob, you hit the nail on the head. Trump is wearing clown makeup.
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Putzy, Bob, remember, putzy.
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Frankly, this post is one big “quotable quote!!” I’d salt it away for future citations (w/your permission)– but frankly I don’t know who on earth I’d send it to. All my relatives & friends would give it a big thumbs up 😀
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Referring to Bob Shepherd’s opening sally
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I hope the entire country gives something like this a big thumbs up come November. The British writer Nate White, whom Diane posted here, nailed it: ” After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.”
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From the article: “. . . when it comes to Trump, sheer recitations of fact often double as condemnations.”
This means that, fortunately for all of us, the facts about Trump still fly in the face of the editors’, and the general public’s, intellectual and moral conscience. Sort of like reporting the fact: “My neighbors murdered their children.”
In Trump’s case, no one has to tell us that constantly lying, cheating, stealing, unwanted touching, mocking the handicapped and war heroes, praising white-nationalists or killing messengers are bad things. It still goes without saying, though we seem to have to say it more and more these days.
The other thing is that the Trump mouthpieces use the press only for airing their talking points, to heck with the actual content of the questions.
And then there’s this about the press: “How many times did Obama get checked by the FBI and the CIA, as opposed to (so many more for) Trump?” When the real question is this: “How many times was such questioning needed?” CBK
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Trump’s people tried to treat Dr. Fauci as “the enemy” because he was trying to explain ways for people to be safe. He simply stated that he is a physician, immunologist and public health official, not a politician or economist. Trump and company expect everyone to accept their false narrative. Dr. Fauci stated clearly that he has an obligation to science and the public, not Trump.
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The Times postures itself as being written for discerning readers. Well then, it looks like one discerning reader/writer has seen through its veil of neutrality.
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For those of you who missed Dennis’s comment and attachment on an earlier post:
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2020/may/17/accommodating-gop-trump-are-transforming-america-i/
Thanks so much, Dennis!
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Yes. This is as good as it gets, except perhaps for Bob Shepherd when he is on a roll. The Las Vegas Sun in an independent newpaper and it shows.
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Well, let’s not go that far. We don’t want it to go to Bob’s head! 😉
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This article is extremely important. I wrote a Facebook post in the same vein about a year ago, and even some of my leftie friends jumped on it as being hyperbolic. I don’t think that this is hyperbolic. This is very, vary scary. It matters A LOT that Trump has lined up the courts and the DOJ–both of the major enforcement arms of government.
In PoliSci 101, you learn that governments are entities that have a monopoly on violence. It can EASILY happen that the checks on exercise of that violence fall away. It’s happening right now. If those armed thugs showing up at state legislative chambers look to you like Hilter’s brownshirts, the Sturmabteilun, that’s because they are like Hitler’s brownshirts. It can happen here. It is happening here. Right under these “reporters'” noses.
In their honor, btw, after the “protests” in Michigan, Trump resurrected his “very good people” dogwhistle to describe them.
If Trump wins again, this might well be the last presidential election held here in a long, long time.
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Wow. What a link.
Now, THAT’S all the news that’s fit to print.
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Greg, he hasn’t enough putz to be described as putzy. See Jimmy Kimmel’s interview with Stormy Daniels. NSFW.
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Man without a Soul. Wonderful. by the GREAT Lucinda Williams, no less!!!! Thank you, Greg!
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This article says it all! And sill I have trusted the paper. I’ll be rethinking where I buy my new! Terrible ethics policy. A NYT reporter is a slave to management !! They need a good union! Bill Murphy Dunedin, Fl.
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The Times has done important reporting on Trump. They broke the story about the three quarters of a billion that Daddy left to Trump,f or example. But yes, reporting “both sides” of a horror–the good and the bad about getting rectal cancer, say–is ridiculous.
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I hope Trump thinks hydroxychloroquine is as healthy as drinking a quart of Clorox every morning. [Severe heart problems might be the result? ????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can’t really think that, can I?]
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Trump says he’s been taking hydroxychloroquine
President Trump on Monday revealed he’s taking hydroxychloroquine, a controversial drug that he’s championed as a potential treatment for coronavirus despite limited evidence from the medical community.
Trump said he consulted with the White House doctor about taking the drug, but it was not recommended for him.
“I asked him what do you think,” Trump said. “He said, ‘Well if you’d like it.’ I said, ‘Yeah, I’d like it. I’d like to take it.'”
He said he’s been taking the drug for about a week-and-a-half along with a zinc supplement, adding he based his decision on positive reviews he’s heard from frontline health care workers who have had good results treating patients with it.
“Here’s my evidence: I get a lot of positive calls about it,” Trump said.
“So far, I seem to be OK,” he added.
The president’s decision to take hydroxychloroquine is controversial and potentially dangerous given that the drug’s effectiveness in treating coronavirus remains unproven and there is no evidence that it works as a preventative measure. The pill is typically taken as an anti-malaria drug or to treat Lupus.
The Food and Drug Administration issued a warning last month that hydroxychloroquine should not be taken outside a hospital or clinical trial because of the risk of severe heart problems….
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/498375-trump-says-hes-been-taking-hydroxychloroquine
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This will be proven to be the 10,000³ lie…of this year so far.
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Here’s a video of Trump talking about taking hydroxychloroquine. There has to be money involved for him to keep pushing this drug.
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Trump says he is taking hydroxychloroquine
May 18, 2020 | 3:40 PM EDT
President Trump on May 18 said that he has been taking the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine as a preventive measure against the coronavirus.
“I think it’s good. I’ve heard a lot of good stories. And if it’s not good, I’ll tell you right. I’m not going to get hurt by it,” he said.
https://wapo.st/2WI9J2A
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Hmm. Causes heart troubles. But Trump doesn’t have to worry because he doesn’t have a heart.
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I want to hear from his doctor. He either: a) prescribed it without medical evidence, or b) will lie he prescribed when he didn’t, or c) will be truthful that he did no such thing. Answering yes to a) or b) should lead to having his medical license being revoked or, if he answers yes to c) will lead to his firing and subsequent character assassination by the entire WH/GOP cult.
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Fox News host Neil Cavuto warned viewers that the drug could “kill you,” referencing research studies that concluded the drug shows no real benefit for treating the coronavirus and may be harmful. [HuffPost]
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Twitter was in high spirits yesterday.
Nancy Pelosi was interviewed by Anderson Cooper, who asked her about reports that Trump was taking the anti-malaria drug. She replied that it was unsafe for him because of his age and the fact that he is “morbidly obese.” The phrase @morbidlyobese was trending last night.
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Shouldn’t his doctor have his medical license revoked?
“I asked him what do you think,” Trump said. “He said, ‘Well if you’d like it.’ I said, ‘Yeah, I’d like it. I’d like to take it.’”
What other medications can Trump request his doctor give him because “he’d like it”?
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Seems like we were writing at the same time. In any case, we’re gonna need a bigger bus considering how many people are being thrown under it.
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NYC public school parent: I am of the belief that Trump isn’t actually taking this stuff but is promoting it because he will make money. Why else would he be stuck on constantly talking about it.
I seriously doubt that any doctor would just ‘give’ this serious drug to any person. Maybe I’m wrong. After all, didn’t Trump write out his medical report?
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Strangely, this drug appears to have been approved as a prophylaxis, at least as regards those showing pre-lupus symptoms. Doesn’t make sense to me, but what do I know. But how do you jump from that to, it’s OK as a prophylaxis for covid-19– about which weknow little, supplemented daily?
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You don’t get heart problems unless you have a heart.
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He could have played any of Dorothy’s three companions: no heart, no brain, and certainly no courage. Don’t get me started on “don’t look behind the curtain.”
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Well put
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LOL. Diane. True. Scientists should be studying the black hole where his heart is supposed to be.
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Ha, Greg! Yes!!!! I left coward off my list above. Private bone spurs. Here, two songs I wrote about Ditzy Devoid and IQ45: https://bobshepherdonline.wordpress.com/2019/09/07/ditzy-devoid-and-iq45-two-songs/
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Bob, in case you missed it:
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How can anyone believe that killing 620 Christians is worse than 316,732 people dying from COVID-19? Are Christians really that more important than people from all over the world dying? GRRRRR!!
My Trump supporter friend just sent me this information:
A report released late last week by a Nigerian organization estimates around 620 Christians were killed in the African country by Islamic militants during the first five months of 2020 alone.
https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2020/may/report-620-nigerian-christians-killed-so-far-this-year-by-muslim-militants-boko-haram-fulani-herdmen?cid=EU_CBNNEWSPM-20200518-PROD_DM48947&bid=975113279&inid=0D83BB41-EF73-4870-8B8C-E3176631BE41
She says, “THIS IS MORE SERIOUS THAN COVID.”
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My reply is this:
This is terrible. Senseless killing is never alright. I’d never say that this is more serious than COVID-19.
As of May 18, 2020, the outbreak of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) had spread to six continents, and approximately 316,732 people had died after contracting the respiratory virus.
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The letter, from Physician to the President Sean P. Conley, does not actually say Trump is taking the drug.
Dated May 18, 2020.
“As has been previously reported, two weeks ago one of the President’s support staff tested positive for COVID-19. The President is in very good health and remains symptom-free. He receives regular COVID-19 testing, all negative to date.”
After numerous discussions he and I had regarding the evidence for and against the use of hydroxychloroquine, we concluded the benefit from treatment outweighed the relative risks.”
“In consultation with our inter-agency partners and subject matter experts around the country, I continue to monitor the myriad studies investigating potential COVID-19 therapies, and I anticipate employing the same shared medical decision making based on the evidence at hand in the future.”
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Bob, The singular of scrotus potus is scrotum potum.
Diane, Don’t forget the Bronx.
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Thank you, Fred Smith. I’m so glad to be so-apprised. CBK
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Also a great headline in this morning’s NY Daily News:
HYDROXY MORON
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LOL!!!
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The problem with bothsides-ism is not that both sides are presented, but in how they are presented, as if there are only 2 extremes and nothing in the middle. I loved NYC Public School Parent’s analysis of what journalism should be. On the other hand, I believe it is also improper and unnecessary for a news reporter to insert opinions in a news article. I think the facts speak for themselves and a deeper investigation (Sayare) supports this assertion.
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How many people will die or get extremely ill because of this moron? Carol
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PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Good things have come out about the hydroxy. A lot of good things have come out. And you’d be surprised at how many people are taking it, especially the frontline workers, before you catch it. The frontline workers, many, many are taking it. I happen to be taking it. I happen to be taking it.
REPORTER 1: Hydroxychloroquine
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I’m taking it, hydroxychloroquine.REPORTER 2: Right now?
REPORTER 3: When?PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Right now, yeah.
REPORTER 3: Yeah, when?PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Couple of weeks ago, started taking it.
REPORTER 4: Why, sir?
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Because I think it’s good. I’ve heard a lot of good stories. And if it’s not good, I’ll tell you right: I’m not going to get hurt by it.
AMY GOODMAN: The Food and Drug Administration issued a warning about self-medicating with hydroxychloroquine last month, following Trump’s repeated remarks touting its effectiveness.
President Trump’s announcement came as he ramped up attacks on the World Health Organization, threatening Monday to pull out of the international organization entirely and permanently freeze U.S. funding over its, quote, “failed response to the COVID-19 outbreak.
The U.S. has less than 5% of the world’s population but almost a third of the confirmed COVID-19 infections worldwide. Despite these numbers and a quarter of the worldwide deaths in the United States, all 50 states will at least partially reopen by Memorial Day weekend, even as infection rates in many states continue to rise. Only 16 states are currently seeing downward trends in cases, according to Johns Hopkins University.
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On Twitter, most commenters think Trump is lying. He isn’t taking it. Lying is normal for him.
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Many observers, including New York Times columnist Paul Krugman and MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough, have been expressing doubts that Trump is really taking hydroxychloroquine as he claimed.
I think Trump has been taking this drug for years. [Doesn’t he already have these symptoms?]
Medical researchers have concluded that hydroxychloroquine may cause neuropsychiatric symptoms, ‘including agitation, insomnia, confusion, mania, hallucinations, paranoia, depression, catatonia, psychosis and suicidal ideation.
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Why are churches working against the advise of medical experts? Why not encourage praying at home during this pandemic until it is safe to meet? Are these ministers really that ignorant?
I signed up for Breaking Christian News just to see what is being promoted. [BCN] Here is one article:
Judge Allows NC Churches to Meet: ‘There Is No Pandemic Exception to the Constitution’
Michael Foust (May 19, 2020)
“The record … reveals that the Governor appears to trust citizens to perform non-religious activities indoors (such as shopping or working or selling merchandise) but does not trust them to do the same when they worship indoors together … common sense suggests that religious leaders and worshipers (whether inside or outside North Carolina) have every incentive to behave safely and responsibly whether working indoors, shopping indoors, or worshiping indoors.” -US District Judge James C. Dever III
[ChristianHeadlines.com] A federal judge on Saturday handed North Carolina churches a victory by allowing them to meet indoors despite an order from the state’s governor limiting such gatherings to 10 people.
The order by North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper, a Democrat, required worship services of 10 or more people to be conducted outdoors unless it was decided it was “impossible” to do so. If law enforcement determined the church was wrong to meet indoors, the leaders of the congregation could be served with a misdemeanor…
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HOW TRUE!!! There is always more money for the wealthy. It’s the average or poor who continuously get screwed…at least in this administration.
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Thom Hartmann’s blog
How Can We Force Congress to Give Money to Average Americans, Instead of High Level Grifters?
When Congress put together the $2 trillion CARES2 Act they added a Congressional Oversight board. That board just released its first report, and it is shocking. Former “Foreclosure King” and current Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin is in charge of what it is, essentially, a $500 billion slush fund.
To prevent him from using it to help out his and Trump’s rich buddies, Congress mandated the only companies that could demonstrate they have been harmed by the economic fallout of the coronavirus could qualify for money, that it would have to be used to retain employees, and that the money will be passed out in relatively small amounts.
Now, it turns out, Mnuchin has rewritten the regulations so that an individual company can get up to $200 million (because so many small businesses need to buy a new private jet), only has to make “commercially reasonable efforts” to hang onto or help their employees during the term of the loan (so they can put financial considerations ahead of the health of their workers), and no longer has to prove that they are financially in trouble because of the coronavirus.
Additionally, most of the money has not been distributed, although it now appears that a major Trump donor who runs a private jet company that shuttles rich people and executives to private high-end golf resorts got one of the very largest payments to date.
Giving professional grifters like Steve Mnuchin and Donald Trump hundreds of billions of dollars to give away or spend at their own discretion is like dropping a couple of alley cats into a cage full of canaries. Once again, the grifters get rich and the average American gets screwed.
-Thom
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Trump gets away with this again! No money for helping average or poor Americans through a decent stimulus but $1.3 billion for a worthless painted black ego wall is considered acceptable. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!
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The Washington Post
Democracy Dies in Darkness
News Alert
May 19, 6:45 PM
Trump’s preferred construction firm lands $1.3 billion border wall contract, the biggest so far
A North Dakota construction firm that has received backing from President Trump has secured the largest border wall contract ever awarded, a $1.3 billion deal to build 42 miles of black-painted fencing through the rugged mountains of southern Arizona.
The company that won the contract, Fisher Sand and Gravel, has been repeatedly lauded by the president in White House meetings with border officials and military commanders, the result of a long and personalized marketing pitch to Trump and ardent supporters of his barrier project.
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The new award to Fisher carries an average cost of more than $30 million per mile of border barrier, more expensive than other contracts for Trump’s wall. The project has morphed from a 2016 campaign promise into one of the largest federal infrastructure projects in U.S. history.
Swelling the price tag further was a design change from the president requiring the barrier to be painted black, adding about $1.2 million per mile, according to government contracting estimates obtained this month by The Washington Post.
The president has told aides that the darker color will absorb more solar radiation and scorch the hands of any would-be border jumpers who try to climb the fence. Engineers say the black paint will increase long-term maintenance costs and will boost the metal’s ability to retain heat by less than 10 percent.
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As per WH it (noted: it not even capitalized), that’s what I’ve been calling the White House (WH) occupant since its covid-19 pandemic ditherings. it, because–& you said the reasons above: no heart, no soul, no feelings for anyone or anything but moi.
Or, perhaps, since this has been a war, causing enormous suffering & needless deaths–w/1,000s more to come (&–yes!–we lead the world…in covid-19 deaths), WH it could be renamed War Criminal needing to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
& I don’t believe for one second that W.C./WHit’s doctor even discussed its taking hydroxychloroquine.
it’s probably eating tons of Hydrox Cookies (if they’re even made anymore; I think Nabisco/Kraft/Mondello {or whatever co. now makes Oreos} monopolized the sandwich cookie market).
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