The Economist is an influential publication based in London. It writes, as its name suggests, about world economic affairs. In its current issue, the publication makes the case that the schools must quickly reopen in order to restart the economy.
The Economist contends governments across the world should open schools as soon as possible. It argues that so long as schools are closed, the achievement gap between affluent and working-class children will grow. Its editors suggest that the reopening of schools should be done in stages, with the youngest children returning first, since they seem to be the least at risk.
This is the “short-read” version of their argument.
Covid-19 has shut the world’s schools. Three in four children live in countries where all classrooms are closed. The disruption is unprecedented. Unless it ends soon, its effect on young minds could be devastating…
During some epidemics keeping children at home is wise; they are efficient spreaders of diseases such as seasonal flu. However, they appear to be less prone to catching and passing on covid-19. Closing schools may bring some benefit in slowing the spread of the disease, but less than other measures. Against this are stacked the heavy costs to children’s development, to their parents and to the economy.
A few countries, such as Denmark, are gradually reopening schools. Others, including Italy, say they will not do so until the autumn. In America, despite recent calls from President Donald Trump for schools to open, most states plan to keep their classrooms closed for the rest of the academic year—and possibly longer. That is a mistake. As countries ease social distancing, schools should be among the first places to unlock.
Consider the costs of barring children from the classroom. No amount of helicopter parenting or videoconferencing can replace real-life teachers, or the social skills acquired in the playground. Even in the countries best prepared for e-learning, such as South Korea, virtual school is less good than the real thing.
Poorer children suffer most. Zoom lessons are little use if your home lacks good Wi-Fi, or if you have to fight with three siblings over a single phone. And whereas richer families often include well-educated parents who prod their offspring to do their homework and help when they get stuck, poorer families may not.
In normal times school helps level the playing field. Without it, the achievement gap between affluent and working-class children will grow. By one estimate, American eight-year-olds whose learning stopped altogether with the lockdown could lose nearly a year’s maths by autumn, as they fail to learn new material and forget much of what they already knew.
School matters for parents, too, especially those with young children. Those who work at home are less productive if distracted by loud wails and the eerie silence that portends jam being spread on the sofa. Those who work outside the home cannot do so unless someone minds their offspring. And since most child care is carried out by mothers, they will lose ground in the workplace while schools remain shut.
In poor countries the costs are even greater. Schools there often provide free lunches, staving off malnutrition, and serve as hubs for vaccinating children against other diseases. Pupils who stay at home now may never return. If the lockdown pushes their families into penury, they may have to go out to work. Better to re-open schools, so that parents can earn and children can study.
The obvious rejoinder is that shutting schools brings benefits. Covid-19 can be deadly. Parents do not want their children to catch it or to give it to grandma.
In a longer article, the Economist expands on its view that keeping schools closed will repress learning and widen inequality.
Schools have striven to remain open during wars, famines and even storms. The extent and length of school closures now happening in the rich world are unprecedented. The costs are horrifying. Most immediately, having to take care of children limits the productivity of parents. But in the long run that will be dwarfed by the amount of lost learning. Those costs will fall most heavily on those children who are most in need of education. Without interventions the effects could last a lifetime.
For these reasons Singapore in 2003 cut its month-long June holiday by two weeks to make up for a fortnight of school closures during the sars epidemic. Closing schools even briefly hurts children’s prospects. In America third-graders (seven-year-olds) affected by weather-related closures do less well in state exams. French-speaking Belgian students hit by a two-month teachers’ strike in 1990 were more likely to repeat a grade, and less likely to complete higher education, than similar Flemish-speaking students not affected by the strike. According to some studies, over the long summer break young children in America lose between 20% and 50% of the skills they gained over the school year.
Closures will hurt the youngest schoolchildren most. “You can make up for lost maths with summer school. But you can’t easily do that with the stuff kids learn very young,” says Matthias Doepke of Northwestern University. Social and emotional skills such as critical thinking, perseverance and self-control are predictors of many things, from academic success and employment to good health and the likelihood of going to jail. Whereas older children can be plonked in front of a computer, younger ones learn far more when digital study is supervised by an adult…
Of course schooling has not stopped completely, as it does during holidays. Nearly nine in ten affected rich countries are providing some form of distance-learning (compared with fewer than one in four poor countries). But video-conferencing has its limits. For poorer children, internet connections may be ropey. Devices may have to be shared and homes may be overcrowded or noisy. Of the poorest quarter of American children, one in four does not have access to a computer at home.
Less well-off children everywhere are less likely to have well-educated parents who coax them to attend remote lessons and help them with their work. In Britain more than half of pupils in private schools are taking part in daily online classes, compared with just one in five of their peers in state schools, according to the Sutton Trust, a charity (private schools are more likely to offer such lessons). In the first weeks of the lockdown some American schools reported that over a third of their students had not even logged in to the school system, let alone attended classes. Meanwhile, elite schools report nearly full attendance and the rich have hired teachers as full-time tutors….
Closures in Britain could increase the gap in school performance between children on school meals (a proxy for economic disadvantage) and those not on school meals, fears Becky Francis of the Education Endowment Foundation, another charity. Over the past decade the gap, measured by grades in tests, has narrowed by roughly 10%, but she thinks school closures could, at the very least, reverse this progress. At least over summer, teachers are not on tap for anyone. In the current lockdown some students can still quench their thirst for education not just with highly educated parents but also with teachers; others will have access to neither.
The journal also ran a story on how young people may be less likely to catch or pass on covid-19.
The three articles left out one very important group that is necessary for the reopening of schools: the adults who staff schools. Teachers, principals, and support staff. Unlike little children, the adults are vulnerable to COVID-19. How strange not to consider their safety. How bizarre to ignore the well-being of the adults who must be present for schools to reopen.
What would be the value of reopening the schools if the teachers and staff are not safe? One case of COVID among the teachers or staff, and the schools would quickly close again, causing even greater disruption.
The view of The Economist appears to be shaped by its eagerness to restart the economy. Everyone is eager to restart the economy and to end the prolonged period of shutdown that threatens financial catastrophe. But wouldn’t it be best to wait until the risks are lower?
It is worth noting that the U.K. has an even higher death rate than the U.S. In fact, the U.K. death rate is double the U.S. death rate. Boris Johnson was as skeptical at the beginning of the pandemic as Trump. Then he got the virus and was in intensive care. I think he takes the threat seriously now. I doubt that teachers in the U.K. or the U.S. or the rest of the world are ready to put their lives at risk to restart the economy, especially when the infection rate and the death rate continues to rise in both countries.

What this article shows is that people operating with the best of intentions can have different opinions on how to deal with education and economic problems that have been caused by the current pandemic. Denmark is often held up as a model society that the U.S. should emulate; Bernie Sanders frequently compares Denmark favorably to the U.S. Denmark is unlocking schools before we are – are they evil for doing so?
30+ million people laid off in the U.S. in less than two months is a depression-level economic event. What everyone needs to remember – always – is that there are tradeoffs to everything in life, what economists term “opportunity costs.” We can lock down the economy for 12-18 more months to minimize as much as possible the deaths directly caused by this virus. But doing so will increase the mental health costs: suicides, domestic abuse, alcoholism, etc. And avoiding other types of medical care will increase the number of preventable deaths from not getting early cancer screenings, heart checkups, etc. Decisions made in the utmost good faith now have to be made with much too little evidence to be certain either way. We should all be humble.
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Finland is the school system held up as a model, not Denmark. You are misinformed.
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I’m very well-informed. I know that Finland is held up as the model school system for academics. This Economist discusses how various countries are dealing with the pandemic. From the article you cite: “A few countries, such as Denmark, are gradually reopening schools.” Bernie Sanders has many times pointed to Denmark as a nation that the U.S. should emulate.
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But you said many here hold up Denmark as a model.
That’s false.
Finland is the model.
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No one at The Economist is operating with the “best of intentions” with respect to children’s learning, or even the basic welfare of citizens…they care about profits and dollars, period.
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What everyone needs to remember – always – is that when it comes to tradeoffs in life, what economists term “opportunity costs,” economists will always–always–find that the economy is more important than human life.
Go peddle this nonsense someplace else.
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“…economists will always–always–find that the economy is more important than human life.”
That is not true. Some economists favor continuing the lockdowns until the health situation improves. The concept of trade-offs isn’t nonsense – it’s the reality of life. How do you not realize that fact?
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I prefer not to “trade off” my life, thank you very much.
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Narcissists (malignant narcissists like Donald Trump are the worst), psychopaths, and sociopaths have no trouble gambling with other people’s lives.
Most normal people do not fit in the previous sentence, and most of them value their lives and the lives of others.
What are your core values and which group do you belong to?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/click-here-happiness/201807/39-core-values-and-how-live-them
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I think we will do well to remember that reducing the risk to some requires an increase in the risk to others. If you do not go out to get the necessities of life, others must risk theirs to bring the necessities to you.
It seems to me that if essential workers must risk their lives every day to increase my safety, I should take on at least some risk to educate their children.
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Here are some photos from schools that are open. One has students behind barriers, just like in Rocketship charter schools. Economists are the last people who should be pontificating about opening schools.
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The Economist echoes Chris Christie: “Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said on Monday that the American economy needs to reopen quickly and that tens of thousands of more Americans may die from the novel coronavirus, insisting that Americans are “gonna have to” accept that.
Speaking to CNN correspondent Dana Bash on her The Daily DC podcast, Christie—who now works as an ABC News contributor—pushed for the reversal of stay-at-home orders in order to open up businesses and ramp up economic activity.
Confronted with recent models that now show that as many as 135,000 Americans will die due to decreased social distancing amid the pandemic, Christie essentially threw up his hands and said there really wasn’t a choice.
“Of course, everybody wants to save every life they can—but the question is, towards what end, ultimately?” Christie said. “Are there ways that we can thread the middle here to allow that there are going to be deaths, and there are going to be deaths no matter what?”
Multi-millionaire Christie can squat at home in his mansion and not worry about exposing himself to the virus. Christie, the same guy who blasted public school teachers and characterized them as greedy selfish labor union thugs. The elites at the Economist will not have to enter a classroom with 30 kids, trying to keep them safe and well educated. Taking 30 kids to the lavatory, taking them to the cafeteria, to recess, being in a small box with 30 coughing kids, etc., during a pandemic! What could possibly go wrong.
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At the risk of redundancy, I re-post the below from the Eva-thread:
Sometimes things come in my box from disparate corners of the world, but that scream of beneficial coincidences. Here’s a quote from an “obscure academic book” that relates to this . . . thread, FWIW:
“Markets . . . tend to wholesale deception, to fraud, to sharp practice, to ruthlessness; they tend to exploit the snobbery of the rich, the ignorance of the masses, the impotence of the poor, the passions of nature, the gullibility of the world’s endless supply of fools.”
(Collected Works of Bernard Lonergan/Collection 21:33) CBK
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According to this NYC 8th grader, opening schools will result in LESS learning:
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I agree with the girl in some respects. This is how my children’s MS experience was and it was just dreadful. After 5 yrs of it (2 kids), we switched child #2 to private HS because he was becoming a behavior problem. What this girl doesn’t understand is “why” kids behave badly in school. I will tell you from my own “behavior problem” child, that he was bored of being drilled and killed with common core crap. He was tired of the expectation that he perform well on tests that had no meaning to him. He was tired of sitting and doing “packets” of work disguised as learning. He felt very disrespected and it came out in bad behavior. Since the switch….not a bit of bad behavior. She’s right that schools need to change so that ALL kids can find something that interests them and has meaning to them. This will make a lot of the bad behavior go away. The MS years are tough and handling this age group takes a ton of work for the teachers….keep the kids busy and engaged and life is happier for everyone.
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The Economist is WRONG.
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Yvonne The writers should do full disclosure of their stock portfolios. CBK
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I imagine the productivity of parents is more of a concern than the welfare of students in the view of the ‘Economist” than the loss of education. I have taught students K-12 and beyond. It would be extremely difficult to enforce social distancing and hand washing with K-2 students. They are literally like herding cats, particularly if class size remains the same. Poor students, no matter how we look at it, are the biggest losers. They live in crowded quarters, and they are the least likely to have access to technology.
Although it has been reported that young children are not good transmitters of the disease, there no clear evidence to support this claim. Some children have had a mild case of the virus while others have been extremely ill. We have had instances of young children that have had severe cases of C-19 including some that have died from severe inflammation that has cause multiple organ failure. Are parents ready to risk their children’s lives in order to open schools?https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-linked-to-rare-inflammatory-disease-in-children-heres-what-we-know-137617
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Yes, I would “risk my children’s lives,” as you put it, to open schools in the fall. The evidence is very clear that they are at essentially zero statistical risk of serious illness from the disease. A handful of cases of Kawasaki disease (which may or may not be causally linked to COVID-19) doesn’t change that.
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The arrogance of this statement is dizzying. I was on a call with some of the top cancer researchers in the world a few weeks ago and when they were asked about how the virus spreads and possibly mutates, they unanimously answered that they were not virologists and therefore not qualified to speculate. And yet, you have certainty based on some news reports. The question is not about risking children’s lives. It is, if they are not tested, how can we determine who are carriers who never exhibit symptoms. The real question is: in the absence of decision-making driven by valid tests, are you willing to have your children infect others like the teachers and staff of their schools, or the people they encounter on the way to and from home? Could you or they live with the knowledge of sending some of them to hospitals or their deaths?
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I’m responding to retired teacher’s comment about the risk to children’s lives. So, yeah, the question was about the risk to children’s lives. The data collected by every nation, every state, and every city overwhelmingly show that children are at approximately zero risk of death from COVID-19. These aren’t “news reports.” (I wish they were, because people would be less ignorant about this indisputable fact.) These are the actual data about infections, hospitalizations, and deaths from COVID-19.
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Some children have gotten the virus. Some are asymptomatic carriers.
But can you open a school without adults?
Young people 18-30 do get the virus and as the age gets higher, the risk of getting the virus goes up.
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FLERP, while the risk that children will die from COVID-19 is very low, those children can still be infected by the virus and infect others like their parents, family friends, and older family members.
The virus will not say to itself, “Oh, this is a child, since the odds are against the child dying from us, let’s not waste our time. Just skip the children and go for the older ones.”
Have you ever heard of Typhoid Mary?
What you are proposing is throwing children into crowded classrooms and social situations with their peers that will put them at a higher risk of being exposed to the virus, and that means those children will become just like Typhoid Mary spreading the virus to all of us older people.
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Funny, I have yet to meet one medical professional who would claim anything about COVID-19 is an “indisputable fact” as of now. The one thing they would all agree is an “indisputable fact” is that we have no idea what the state of knowledge will be in two weeks, two months or two year, especially without verifiable tests. Get thee to NIH and set them straight! And like a good lawyer, you ignore my questions. Guess you could live with it.
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If you want, try looking up how many reported cases of COVID-19 there have been, and how many deaths there have been for people under age 18. You may be surprised (probably will be). These data are not hard to find, and you don’t need the blessing of a medical professional to look at them.
I’m ignoring your questions because I’m typing on a phone and have other stuff to do right now and I’m not prepared to spend more time responding to someone who said a few days ago that he would take “great joy” if I died from the virus. That’s fine, it is what it is, but I’m not going to go out of my way to entertain you at this moment. Sorry.
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GregB and flerp This morning, as example, CNN’s Dr. Gupta said (in the context of “we are still learning”) that researchers have learned that the virus has time when first in the body where it’s developing and where it’s not testable by present common means. Also, they are finding that it mutates and targets multiple-organs–and has killed children, though not as many as older people. CBK
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“Although most cases reported among children to date have not been severe, clinicians should maintain a high index of suspicion for COVID-19 infection in children and monitor for progression of illness, particularly among infants and children with underlying conditions. However, these findings must be interpreted with caution because of the high percentage of cases missing data on important characteristics. Because persons with asymptomatic and mild disease, including children, are likely playing a role in transmission and spread of COVID-19 in the community, social distancing and everyday preventive behaviors are recommended for persons of all ages to slow the spread of the virus, protect the health care system from being overloaded, and protect older adults and persons of any age with serious underlying medical conditions.” (emphasis added)
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6914e4.htm?s_cid=mm6914e4_w
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You seem to be fine with the possibility of having your children transmit the virus and possibly causing death in others. So yes, the idea of you being hoisted on your own petard does have its appeal.
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FLERP!,
NYC has many children who are first generation who live with older grandparents. I know high school seniors who stopped going to NYC public high school at least a week or more before they were closed down because they did not want to infect their older relatives who lived with them.
Zoom classes were stopped because of privacy issues. There is quite likely efforts going on to see if those can be resolved.
There are really no “good” choices here. Rather than to just make statements like “I’d risk my children’s lives” to open schools, a better question is to figure out what can and should be done to make it most likely to have some kind of school openings next fall.
That will never happen with a president like Trump. Had we had someone like Obama or Biden, this country would have immediately responded to mitigate the harm. This country would probably look more like Ohio — there would be outbreaks and people would still die, but resources would be directed to mitigate the harm.
We have a federal response that is purely evil. All about greed and political advantage and hoarding medical supplies so friends can profit by distributing it. Until Trump is removed from office, that will continue and things will never go back to normal without extraordinary loss of life that may include some of our own children as the virus morphs into different versions.
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Many families are multi-generational. My mother lived with me for the last three years of her life. There is a much greater risk to the elderly or those with underlying conditions including staff members of schools. Asymptomatic children can unknowingly put other family members or school staff members at risk.
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This is an issue, a real risk to be managed. Is the way to manage it by keeping all children out of school, and adults out of work, until a vaccine is discovered and distributed to all?
Can anyone admit the obvious fact that children themselves are at extremely low risk of serious illness (and even lower risk of death) from this virus? That keeping schools closed indefinitely is not about protecting the children?
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Did you read my reply to your flawed logic?
Children may have a low risk of dying from the current strain of COVID-19, but they are not immune from being infected by the virus and spreading it to their family, neighbors, and friends of ALL ages.
Then there is this scientific, proven fact:
The virus has already mutated into another strain.
“Scientists say a now-dominant strain of the coronavirus appears to be more contagious than original”
“Scientists have identified a new strain of the coronavirus that has become dominant worldwide and appears to be more contagious than the versions that spread in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a new study led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory.
“The new strain appeared in February in Europe, migrated quickly to the East Coast of the United States and has been the dominant strain across the world since mid-March, the scientists wrote. …
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-emerged-more-contagious-than-original
And a virus like this one is never done mutating. There is no guarantee that another mutation of this virus wouldn’t flip the demographic death rate and start killing children in larger numbers like the Spanish Flu Pandemic in 1918 did to infants and children.
https://www.biospace.com/article/compare-1918-spanish-influenza-pandemic-versus-covid-19/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1088249/
Anyone that advocates sending children back to school before the pandemic runs its course, they are playing Russian Roulette with the lives of millions of people of all ages.
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FLERP,
Schools can’t open if teachers are at risk. Can you think of a model for schools in which they are run by children?
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I can think of a model where kids ruled. “Lord of the Flies” by William Golding
“At the dawn of the next world war, a plane crashes on an uncharted island, stranding a group of schoolboys. At first, with no adult supervision, their freedom is something to celebrate; this far from civilization the boys can do anything they want. Anything. They attempt to forge their own society, failing, however, in the face of terror, sin and evil. And as order collapses, as strange howls echo in the night, as terror begins its reign, the hope of adventure seems as far from reality as the hope of being rescued. Labeled a parable, an allegory, a myth, a morality tale, a parody, a political treatise, even a vision of the apocalypse, Lord of the Flies is perhaps our most memorable novel about “the end of innocence, the darkness of man’s heart.”
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I bet Bill Gates can. Stay tuned. If we can’t reopen schools because COVID-19 still exists, the push for remote learning will be unstoppable.
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The one undeniable fact is that kids and parents hate distance learning.
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NYC: ditto here in the country. A lot of grandparents raising kids.
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FLERP! says: “Can anyone admit the obvious fact that children themselves are at extremely low risk of serious illness (and even lower risk of death) from this virus? That keeping schools closed indefinitely is not about protecting the children?”
It is clear that is exactly what Mayor de Blasio believed when he hesitated in closing schools at the beginning of the pandemic. It was clear that the risk to children was low (although still there), and he was not sure that closing schools was an urgent matter that needed to happen stat. He didn’t think taking a few days or even a whole week to figure out was a big deal.
But what quickly became clear is that closing schools WAS an urgent matter because closing schools was a public signal to all residents that this virus was serious. It was a signal to shelter in place. It was a signal that letting the people who were supposedly not as vulnerable — the young and healthy which includes 21 or 25 year olds — run around like normal and stay in college was not a good response to the serious nature of this illness and the demands on the health care system caused if the curve was not flattened.
That condition hasn’t changed. Unless Trump and Pence step down immediately and are replaced by a Democratic federal government given full power to address the issues, the fall is likely to be even worse than April.
This country lost its chance to have a leader like Angela Merkel in charge during a crisis to minimize the loss of life.
But even if the best this country can do is to have a leader like Justin Trudeau instead of Trump, that will be a huge boon to the future for our children.
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My kids had “Zoom” lessons the first week that schools were shut down in NYC, almost two months ago. They worked surprisingly well. Then the NYC DOE banned the use of Zoom and announced that Microsoft Teams would be replacing it. They haven’t had a single “live” lesson since that first week back in March. School is just homework and assignments. It is an absolute joke, and it’s even more of a shame given the initially promising signs.
I agree with the thrust of the Economist article. This school year is completely shot, though, and panic among teachers is high right now.
But schools need to open next fall.
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Taking a measured view of reality that leads to prudent caution and asks for evidence-based information is not panic. Your constant use of the word says more about you than anyone else.
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I don’t think teachers are panicked. I think they are reasonably concerned about their health and safety.
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for far too many children, school is already “just homework and assignments”–and, I would add, tests. when we do get back to school, I hope we remember that homework, assignments, and tests are not education–in fact, they are precisely the things that extinguish the joy of learning for many students–and that we rediscover the necessity of a full, comprehensive curriculum that includes music, art, physical education, the social sciences, and the humanities in addition to the STEM subjects–a curriculum that allows all children to find their voices as learners, and follow their interests, wonderments, and passions.
let’s not let the limitations of the current “emergency setting” for education force us into sending our children–or our teachers–back to school too quickly, and put far too many of our most precious friends and family members in danger.
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If we open schools with certain protocols that minimize contact between students and staff, etc., what will be the parameters to close the schools again? How many people will have to be sick and /or die? On what specific basis will the call be made to close schools again?
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At it’s core, it’s a “trade-off” mentality that rules the day. And the people in power who are “trading-off” from the basis of that mentality, by definition, also happen to be sociopaths. CBK
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Trade-offs are inherent in every human activity. That’s a result of not being able to have everything we want at the same time, what economists term “opportunity costs”. We could eliminate 95+% of traffic deaths by reducing the speed limit to 20 miles per hour, but we accept a certain number of deaths and injuries for the benefits of faster transportation of people and goods. The number of other trade-offs we as a society willingly make is near-infinite, as are the trade-offs we each make in our daily lives, e.g. we can’t work 60 hours a week and also spend enough meaningful time with our kids. Recognizing the realities of trade-offs isn’t sociopathic – it’s rational adult thinking.
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Why don’t you offer your life first, not mine.
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Diane To Webster: exactly what you said. CBK
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As individuals, we make conscious decisions to drive carelessly or safely. For instance, decades ago, when I was younger during the insane years between 13 and 25, I drove like a maniac.
Now, when I am on the freeway, I drive in the slow lane and keep a healthy distance from the cars in front of me.
Speeding like a maniac endangering not only myself but everyone around me was not rational thinking.
Donald Trump is a malignant narcissist and psychopath and there is no way he can think rationally and humanly. Trump does not care about anyone else and would sacrifice everyone if it benefited him.
As an individual, I refuse to allow people like Donald Trump and anyone that thinks like he does to make decisions that might end my life so they may stay wealthy and powerful.
However, you are also an individual and may do exactly what Trump and the other narcissistic, greedy Republicans want you to do. Go ahead, die for them.
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John Webster Transactional relationships ARE socio-pathological if that’s the only way we view things, people, ourselves, and the way we run our lives. For them, life is a place to trade business cards, even at births, weddings, deaths and funerals.
Children and other people’s lives are transactional only to those who do not value or even have contempt for human lives. They cannot value family members just because the ARE, and for their own sake; and not on some sort of trade-off transactional payoff scale . . . until it’s theirs that’s on the line. And abstract arguments don’t count. CBK
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Can anyone explain how social distancing would work in a school?
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Like Elroy going to school:
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It would be hard enough with high school age kids, but utterly impossible with elementary age kids. Part of their normal play and interaction is touching each other, and especially for most boys, rough-housing with each other. The argument for re-opening schools for younger kids is that they appear to have (as a group) quite strong immunity to the virus. They would probably need to be kept away from the vulnerable segments of the population, although Switzerland is now encouraging kids ten and younger to hug their grandparents. Here again, differences of opinion among people, opinions arrived at in good faith.
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Can the young children attend schools without vulnerable adults?
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I too think schools should re-open next fall, but in the meantime why don’t all of the “what schools should do” people just work on one thing they could accomplish?
Just get all kids access to wifi. Some of the kids here are clustered at the entrance to the public library because they need wifi for assignments.
Just do that one thing, instead of opining on what “schools should do”.
Surely a big rich country like this one can manage getting them all wifi. Just the ed reform foundations alone could bankroll it. Accomplish that one thing.
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I think schools probably open in the fall UNLESS there’s new information on the virus, which is always a possibility because clinicians don’t really yet understand the virus.
42 states are “open” to varying degrees, so this whole “let us out of LOCKDOWN” thing seems to me to not have much to do with reality and is instead political.
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Chiara,
Given what we know now, I think that schools will only open in the next academic year if the school staff is willing to accept some risk of infection. The virus will likely still be circulating in the country, so policy makers will have to decide holding classes for the next academic year is worth the risk of the spread of infection to the school staff and community. If the public officials decide to open the schools, school staff will have to decide if teaching is simply too dangerous and, if they decide that it is too dangerous, resign.
Folks can read more about the debate about children and the spread of the virus here: https://www.vox.com/2020/5/2/21241636/coronavirus-children-kids-spread-transmit-switzerland
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And what if the staff isn’t willing to accept the risk? Will we be forced to open anyway? In my state, I can about guarantee that we will be forced to return to school in the fall, with even more overcrowded classrooms than usual. I expect all of my class with be 40 or higher.
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Threatened Out West,
If the staff is not willing to accept the risk, I would expect the staff will resign rather than face the risk of an over crowded classroom. No one will force a teacher to return in the fall.
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Have you figured out how to run schools without teachers? Is that a Wizard of Oz trick in Kansas?
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Dr. Ravitch,
If staff find it too dangerous to go to work, schools will not open.
I think Chiara’s optimism that the schools will open anytime in the coming year and a half to be misplaced unless teachers are willing to take some risk of infection in order to teach their students.
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We can realize also that the “I love it” attitude of most teachers . . . one that is constant, but also is pervasive to the children we teach . . who have GREAT RADAR for honesty and for the presence of such attitudes, is going to be severely diminished . . . who could help it? If teachers feel they are being forced into an untenable choice–my job or risk my life–everything changes for the children. CBK
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“…No amount of helicopter parenting or videoconferencing can replace real-life teachers, or the social skills acquired in the playground.” From the article.
I am delighted that economists see the economic importance of school and the professional relationship that teachers use to get their point across. For some strange reason, that same idea is forgotten when it comes to setting teacher salaries and giving them the place at the discussion table a real profession requires.
I happen to be among those who think that we need to get back to work quickly. It would follow that our production of the goods and services to deal with this problem would be top priority of our president. Instead, he seems occupied with twitter and making sure no one sees where the money goes.
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He’s an utter disaster.
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This advice from “The Economist” comes through an Op-Ed piece.
OpEds are not reporting and news. OpEds are someone’s opinion and “The Economist” often publishes OpEds without revealing the names of the opinionated authors.
Opinions are biased and often cherry-pick facts and/or lie to support the opinion.
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These articles were sent to me by the communications director of The Economist. I read them as the view of the editorial board, not the opinion of an unknown author. The articles written by the staff and editorial board are unsigned. Opinion pieces by outside writers are signed.
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Thank you for clarifying that for me. I thought all OpEds were unsigned.
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In every publication, opinion pieces by non-staff people must be signed so readers can judge the authority of those who offer opinions.
Editorials are seldom signed. The Economist has a long tradition of unsigned articles by staff.
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Is there some big wig from Pearson sitting on the editorial board of The Economist? Why is a British publication so concerned with American public education? Testing…it’s ALL about the testing.
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Reblogged this on David R. Taylor-Thoughts on Education.
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Nothing should reopen until every government building is open for tours again, especially the White House. If it is not safe enough to open the White House, then it is not safe enough for me to return to school.
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Good point.
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I’ll send my kid back to school when Trump and Melania send Barron back to school. I don’t think that’s going to happen anytime soon. This is kind of like Faux News anchors calling the virus a hoax while quarantining and recording from their basement studios. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
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You are 100% correct, LisaM.
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Leadership by example? I watched 2 minutes of news today, unfortunately it was when the Idiot landed. Hoo, boy! Sen. Russell Long, once long-time chairman of Senate Finance, had an aphorism that could be adapted here: “Don’t tax you, don’t tax me, tax the man behind the tree.”
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You nailed it, drext727.
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Thank you.
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Inevitably, some comments around school openings and/or distance learning revolve around “me” and “my kids”; “me, me, I, I,” etc.” And how all this distance learning is fine for “my kids”, at least in the short term. Inevitably the well-resourced ones. Or, in the case of one poster, the theme is that “Zoom isn’t working for my kids now, so I want them to go back and I’m willing to sacrifice them to do that”.
Wow. Never thought I would actually see that in print. From a parent. In a blog. Where it will remain forever. Hope your kids never actually read that, even if that’s what you really think.
Yes, schools need to reopen, for all the usual reasons. I see a lot of cheerleading around this message. What I don’t see is a collective pursuit by the wealthy elite and/or the government to make that happen. Where is the hand sanitizer and the soap? Where are the paper towels? Where are the classes of 15 kids instead of 35 or 40? Where are the air-conditioned buildings? Where are enough masks? Where is the Covid testing?
Why? Simple. Complete lack of political will to change anything, unless it affects the rich. Any leadership that allows schoolchildren to get slaughtered at school via the NRA and does nothing about the cause, will continue to do nothing about supporting infrastructure to keep kids and staff safe at schools. Particularly low income black and brown children. Why should they? They can keep Zooming to their hearts’ content and gaslight us into thinking how great this all is.
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Thanks for that. I was beginning to think I was losing my mind. Much more measured a response than mine.
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I know most people here read Peter Greene, but it seems an awful lot of people missed this one: https://curmudgucation.blogspot.com/2020/04/the-road-out.html
” It’s not that people just disagree–it’s that the human tendency to assume that people on the other side are stupid and/or evil just seems to be out of control…..”
“Meanwhile, on the other side, people who want to re-open the economy are murderous bastards, money grubbing killers intent on lining their pockets with blood money.”
“And all of them talking about this situation is really, really simple and if you don’t see it that way, you are just evil or stupid. All reasonable and rational people agree with me…..”
” First, it would help if people could be kind. This is a scary, difficult time– on many levels for some people who are worried not just about the virus but about things like food and shelter and the hope of having an income again some day. We aren’t all in this together; some of us are getting hit hard and some are not. Do not assume that because everything’s great at your house, everyone who complains is just a whiner. Our situations are widely varied and wildly specific. If your situation is good, be grateful, and show that gratitude by treating others well.”
“Assume good intent, but when someone tells you who they are, listen. You may want to ding me here for my comments about Trump and his uselessness in this kind of crisis as well as his lack of human virtue and his unfitness for the Presidency, but I’ve been watching Trump for forty years or so, and he’s always been pretty direct about telling us who he is, and I believe him. There are reasonable, rational people of good intent on almost every side of this thing–assume you are dealing with one of them until they convince you otherwise.”
John Webster and FLERP! have been attacked simply for daring to argue a different point of view. This isn’t what this blog used to be like. There didn’t used to be this level of hostility and anger and, dare I say it, fear, of people expressing different ideas. The people who post here are, usually, very open and insightful people willing to take on other points of view when respectfully stated, as John Webster and FLERP! have done. It would not previously have been acceptable to openly wish someone to die for having a different point of view around here, but that’s what it’s come to. If you wonder why everyone here always seems to have nearly identical opinions, think about this.
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The one thing I will not post for six months are attacks on Biden.
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I think you need to give a little slack, re: what this blog has become. You are witnessing what happens when all of us same folks in Diane’s living room are pressed to the wall by global events the like of which have not been seen since the serial terrors of WWI/ Great Depression/ WWII. I for one appreciate very much the flexibility Diane gives us, allowing us to vent from our separate quarantined quarters. There is much to be learned from each other at this time. Etiquette does not precisely apply at the moment. We are going through something, & will easier come out the other side if we can share with others– including John Webster, FLERP, and you. “Attacks” are maybe just reactions, & opinions change with social interchange. Personally, I used to frequent this blog less in previous years, as it did seem to me a sort of proglib echo chamber, as opposed to comment threads at say, Valerie Strauss’ “The Answer Sheet,” where I could hope to change minds w/data, & wasn’t afraid of being shamed for not towing the proglib line. Presently I’m all in here, as there’s a much more lively exchange of ideas.
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We are not “attacking” them. We are pointing out the flaws in their arguments; flaws that if acted upon, based on the state of knowledge as it currently exists. They express certainty by cherry picking data that matches their ideological opinions. They are not science-based, ask any scientist working on COVID or with patients who are more susceptible to its effects. Those of us who you accuse of “attacking” are arguing that there is no certainty. To claim otherwise is the worst type of sophistry. We don’t argue or sneer for argument’s or sneering’s sake. If they’ve good science on their side that confirms that certainty, I’ll be the first to join them. That, too, is “expressing different ideas.”
It is rich being lectured to by one who ceaselessly attacks those with whom she disagrees and demeans as a matter of course.
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” If you wonder why everyone here always seems to have nearly identical opinions, think about this.”
I have never read such a demeaning attack on all of Diane Ravitch’s readers. Did you all know we have “nearly identical opinions”?
The only vast commonality I have seen is that the majority of us agree with Bernie Sanders and AOC and Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris and Noam Chomsky and Nancy Pelosi that the real danger to our democracy and the entire future of progressivism in this country is Donald Trump and defeating him and the Republican party and electing Democrats in Nov. 2020 is the most important thing.
The only people who believe that all those people — and all of Diane’s readers — “have nearly identical opinions” are those who vehemently disagree with Bernie Sanders and think that having a Republican like Trump is no big deal when their goal is to stop the Democrats from having any power.
Some of those people who believe Bernie Sanders has “nearly identical opinions” to Nancy Pelosi because they both agree that Biden is much better than Trump could be hoisted on their own petard.
After all, by their standard, their rejection of Bernie Sanders’ belief that Trump must be defeated by whoever the Democratic candidate is means that they have “nearly identical opinions” to the most racist and xenophobic Trump supporters who absolutely agree with them that it is the Democrats who must be defeated and Trump is not the problem, the Democrats are.
It’s also shocking to be lectured to about understanding the other person’s POV by a poster whose over the top attacks on Democrats have mischaracterized those Democrats as pure evil with no redeeming characteristics.
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I apologize to Peter for commenting on this before having read his post. But Dienne has once again exposed herself through—shall we call it disingenuous to be charitable?—editing. Here’s Peter’s comment between Dienne’s selective editing between “All reasonable and rational people agree with me…” and “First, it would help if people could be kind”
Here’s the “…”:
“Yes, the pandemic has elevated one of the central tensions of our country– business versus human beings. And I’ve long believed that we have long been too far tilted to the economics side of that, that we try too often to run the country on a foundation of business values rather than human ones. I even believe that much of our trouble right now is exacerbated by that business emphasis, making us underprepared and making our economy too brittle to handle this, as well as highlighting the ridiculousness of having so many people whose jobs are “essential,” but whose pay and health insurance is at the bottom of the barrel. Not to mention our use of measures of prosperity that somehow only really measure how well people at the top are doing.
“All that said, humans depend on the economy functioning. If the economic collapse continues or worsens, the first people to be crushed under the rubble will be the non-wealthy. When the bubble burst in 2008, it was not the head of Goldman Sachs who ended up homeless. When the economy tanks, peoples’ lives are ruined. Peoples’ lives are lost. I do believe that the economy should serve humans, and not the other way around, but a ruined economy is like a lifeguard in a body cast. The people who will get crushed by a unchecked pandemic are also the people who will get crushed by an unchecked economic collapse.
“So there are reasons to want to re-open the country beyond greed and power.
“At the same time, the coronavirus is not an imaginary threat. Real people have really died from this really contagious virus. It’s demonstrably not ‘just like the flu.’ And while some sub-groups may be more at risk than others, there is no group that hasn’t been touched. Arguing that people under sixty or under twenty are hardly ever killed by it is not that helpful. Here’s a bowl of M&Ms– 99 are perfectly fine and one is deadly poison. Are you going to just grab a handful for a snack?
“I’m not any kind of virus scientist (and neither are the people writing all the ‘Why this isn’t really a big deal’ articles I keep seeing). But I have friends who are, and I trust them. And I trust the information that tells me that something really contagious and potentially deadly is spreading rapidly around the world and the country. People are scared, and the closer they are to the reality, the more they have personally encountered the deadly effects of this, the more scared they are. Maybe you feel that there’s nothing to worry about, but the barest minimum of human empathy should require you to appreciate that people are really afraid. I’d argue that they have reason to be afraid, but if you want to argue that this is all some kind of overblown hoax, I’ll argue that you still have to deal with the reality of a whole lot of scared people, and “deal with” doesn’t mean simply mock, dismiss, and berate them, nor does it mean circulating baloney from weak sources whose only claim to credibility is that they confirm what you already believe. None of that will get you where you want to be (unless your part of that group that doesn’t care where we end up, as long as you get to kick people around on the way).
“The ‘don’t take my freedom’ crowd has their own set of fear issues which shouldn’t be hard to understand for those of us who are disturbed by Trump’s repeatedly expressed desire to be emperor. I think they’re mostly wrong; when you carry a virus around, you are making choices for other people. The right to drive does not include the right to drive drunk. But I get that they’re worried about the State coming to get them. They’ve been fed a steady diet of that fear by folks who gain money and power from it, but that doesn’t mean they don’t actually feel the fear.
“All of this would be easier to navigate if we had solid information and actual data (well, somewhat easier, since we live in an age in which people feel entitled to both their own opinions and their own facts). We don’t, and we’re apparently going to be subjected to an endless subsidiary argument about why not. We could get started on the problem now, but Trump lacks the ability to function as either a useful President or useful human being in this situation. The better hope is that, as they figure out that DC has rendered itself irrelevant, other leaders and authorities will somehow get the kind of testing in place that’s needed in order to get a grip on things. How infectious is this stuff? What are the mortality and morbidity rates? How is transfer best slowed down? We don’t really know, and we won’t know until we get testing running at the level needed to generate useful data.
“And the politics that has polluted the issue means that some folks are actively working to obscure rather than unveil information. And no, I don’t see this as a both sides do it issue– Trump and the GOP are working far harder to rewrite events into a politically useful form than the Dems are.
“As for the ‘I have no obligations to any other people except myself’ crowd– I don’t know how to explain to you that you should care about other people, though I might point out that much of what is upsetting folks right now is that other people have stopped taking care of them in a seamless and easy manner, so maybe you could flip that around and see your own effect on others. But this one has always stumped me. There are no self-made, self-sufficient people in this country–not a single one. If you think you don’t owe anyone else anything because you made yourself, you are deluded.
“For veterans of the education debates, it should not be news that on all sides you will find people who are in many ways dire opponents. Opposition to Common Core brought together people who are staunch believers in public education and people who would happily see it eliminated. So yeah– some folks are seriously concerned about both the problems of a shuttered economy and the threat of a pandemic, and some folks are angling for a political advantage, and some folks are super-sad that their ability to do whatever they want has been impinged on, and some folks think that if it hasn’t happened to them it just doesn’t matter.
“But I titled this post ‘The Road Out.’ So here’s what I think about that.”
Kudos, Dienne! You selectively quoted Peter to completely distort the intent of his post. Stalin, Goebbels, Mao (post 1949 Mao, that is), Franco, Peron, Duarte, Putin, and the Idiot would be so proud of you!
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“Kudos, Dienne! You selectively quoted Peter to completely distort the intent of his post.”
I am mystified as to what would make a real person, who purports to actually care about public education, intentionally distort what someone says in order to insult Diane Ravitch’s readers and (wrongly) accuse them of all having “nearly identical opinions”?
Very few of us have “nearly identical opinions”. Surely anyone who reads this blog even one tenth of the time that dienne77 does knows that.
Thank you for catching the selective quoting used to smear all of us who have very different opinions on many things, but also many agreements on some of the most important things. I have no idea why someone would do that.
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Just commenting on the “short-read” version: What a completely disingenuous article, right from the opener. Yes, “The disruption is unprecedented.” But: “Unless it ends soon, its effect on young minds could be devastating”??? Come on, man, own up to it. You need those kids in school so worker bees can return to the hive! The only “unprecedented disruption” you know about is what’s happening to business/ trade & you damn well know it. You guys haven’t a clue about the effects of a year or two of ed-at-home, or of none at all for that matter.
Now before I read on, I’m placing a bet: we’re going to get bogus studies cited claiming xdays of instruction lost = x $thousands lost in student’s future income. Not only don’t you know, you don’t care. Nothing about the way economic policy runs this globe even hints that you’re interested in sharing the wealth with worker bees, in fact it yells the opposite. Pfagh!
…OK I lost the bet.
Sort of.
No citing bogus loss-of-income studies (but plenty of PC concern for the poor, & even women losing ground in the workplace!) Lots of nicey-nice words about value of IRL teaching, & mitigation measures measured against scientist’s stats.
BUT the entire article is infused with glosses and omissions of current scientific [clearly stated absence of] knowledge & cautions re: community transmission by kids. And a complete lack of concern for risk to teachers [just a bone thrown: those w/diabetes can teach remotely– gee thanks].
Maybe these folks should pay more attention to the stats they tag on at article’s end suggesting families have more common sense than they do. You can open the schools but you can’t make them come.
The conclusion is a hypocritical tour de force: “Reopening schools may feel like a rash experiment with young lives. In fact it is an exercise in risk-balancing. Schools are the most powerful engines of social mobility in any society. Let the children in, and let them learn.”
From what we know so far, it’s a rash experiment with the lives of adult staff and children’s elder siblings/ parents/ extended families. And please, you agents of social immobility, do not embarrass yourselves by pretending concern for what may indeed be “the most powerful engine of social mobility in any society.” It sounds too close to the data cited by global peddlers of privatized for-profit charters/ vouchers/ “personalized” ed sw. You economists do the data-crunching that supports all that.
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Is there an adult in the room? Presumably a child not in a bricks-and-mortar public school will be home with an adult – frequently a parent. The adult should assist with tele-learning and home schooling. Integrate that adult into the child’s learning experience.
The virus was recently found in 31% of tested Florida CHILDREN. No one knows what the long-term effects of the virus might be, but we sure as hell should be testing and following the development of all children who have had Covid-19 to find out. Second, how many times can a child contract Covid-19? Kid gets it in school, goes home to recover, goes back to schoolroom and gets another case? More severe or less severe? We need that kind of info before reopening the schools. Anyone who says they know it is safe without being able to answer those questions is full of it.
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Duncan McCornock In the “for opening” arguments that I hear on news programs, the speaker talks as if there were an either/or, side-by-side choice between economic and health decisions, school openings and the economy.
As your note implies, however, it’s not either/or, as if the two choices have equal footing, and we just choose between them. Rather, it’s that health is a necessary condition for a good and working economy to emerge and exist. An analogy is that we might be able to drive, but not without a good-running car.
Being able to drive and having a good-running car are not side-by-side equivalents that we can choose in either/or fashion. But that’s how some seem to talk about it. Don’t we live in bizarro times. CBK
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