Dana Milbank, opinion writer for the Washington Post, says that the a Republican right wing finally have the helpless federal government they have longed for, and people are dying because of the government’s incompetence. Is this a polite way of saying that the Tea Party libertarians have blood on their hands? Note: there are only two areas where these people are eager and willing to lavish public funds: the military and religious schools.
He writes:
I had been expecting this for 21 years.
“It’s not a matter of ‘if,’ but ‘when,’” the legendary epidemiologist D.A. Henderson told me in 1999 when we discussed the likelihood of a biological event causing mass destruction.
In 2001, I wrote about experts urging a “medical Manhattan Project” for new vaccines, antibiotics and antivirals…
I repeat these things not to pretend I was prescient but to show that the nation’s top scientists and public health experts were shouting these warnings from the rooftops — deafeningly, unanimously and consistently. In the years after the 2001 terrorist attacks, the Bush and Obama administrations seemed to be listening.
But then came the tea party, the anti-government conservatism that infected the Republican Party in 2010 and triumphed with President Trump’s election. Perhaps the best articulation of its ideology came from the anti-tax activist Grover Norquist, who once said: “I don’t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.”
They got their wish. What you see today is your government, drowning — a government that couldn’t produce a rudimentary test for coronavirus, that couldn’t contain the pandemic as other countries have done, that couldn’t produce enough ventilators for the sick or even enough face masks and gowns for health-care workers.
Now it is time to drown this disastrous philosophy in the bathtub — and with it the poisonous attitude that the government is a harmful “beast” that must be “starved.” It is not an exaggeration to say that this ideology caused the current debacle with a deliberate strategy to sabotage government.
Overall, entitlement programs continued to grow, and the Pentagon’s many friends protected its budget. And Trump has abandoned responsible budgeting. But in one area, the tea party types, with their sequesters, debt-limit standoffs and other austerity schemes, did all too well. Between 2011 and 2018, nondefense discretionary spending fell by 12 percent — and, with it, the government’s already iffy ability to prevent and ameliorate public health emergencies unraveled.
John Auerbach, president of Trust for America’s Health, described for me the fallout: Over a dozen years, the Public Health Emergency Preparedness grants to state and local public health departments were cut by a third and the Hospital Preparedness Program cut in half, 60,000 jobs were lost at state and local public health departments, and similarly severe cuts were made to laboratories. A $15 billion grant program under the 2010 Affordable Care Act, the Prevention and Public Health Fund, was plundered for other purposes.
Now Americans are paying for this with their lives — and their livelihoods.
If the United States had more public health capacity it “absolutely” would have been on par with Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan, which have far fewer cases, Auerbach said. South Korea has had four deaths per 1 million people, Singapore one death per million, and Taiwan 0.2 deaths per million. The United States: 39 per million — and rising fast.
To have mitigated the virus the way Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan did would have required spending about $4.5 billion a year on public health, Auerbach estimates. Instead we’re spending trillions to rescue the economy.
Democrats aren’t blameless in pandemic preparedness. And some Republicans tried to be responsible — but the starve-the-beast crowd wouldn’t hear of it.
After Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) voted for the 2009 stimulus bill because he secured $10 billion for the National Institutes of Health, he was essentially forced out of the GOP. Rising in the party were people such as Rep. Jim Jordan (Ohio), whose far-right Republican Study Committee in 2011 proposed a plan, applauded by GOP leadership, to cut NIH funding by 40 percent.
In 2014, NIH chief Francis Collins said there likely would have been a vaccine for the Ebola outbreak if not for a 10 percent cut in NIH funding between 2010 and 2014 that included halving Ebola vaccine research. Republicans jeered.
In 2016, when President Barack Obama requested $1.9 billion to fight the Zika virus, Republicans in Congress sat on the request for seven months and then cut it nearly in half.
Since then, Trump has proposed cuts to the NIH and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention so severe even congressional Republicans rejected them. And last month they fed the “beast” a $2.2 trillion feast to fight the pandemic.
Now they know: When you drown the government in the bathtub, people die.

We Americans are capitalists. It’s the Hunger Games, Darwinism, and Shark Tank on speed, caffeine and cocaine. What can change that mindset?
We deserve what we get if we constantly vote against our interests.
My theory is that death is an ultimate catalyst; it’s a form of energy, whether it happens by self annihilation (Extinction Rebellion), revolution (Czar Nicolas’s or Louis XVI’s fate), mass shootings (Sandy Hook, Orlando), or our current plague.
When enough of it occurs – and it’s a steep price to pay – then the ruling class will consider changing their tune, and those sheeple who vote against their interests will start changing theirs as well. It’s the only way to get the extremist GOP and DINOs out and vote more Bernies, AOCs and FDRs in . . .
Sad . . . but true.
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Yes, people die…..but not their people (the wealthy and those in charge). It will only hit home if/when one of IQ45’s children or grandchildren perish from this terrible virus. It’s still just a big game for these cretins who run the government.
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I don’t ever want to forget how our schools, our nation and the world got to this point in time. I’m angry.
On the other hand, there are people doing such heroic things these days. I always want to remember them, too. I’m in awe.
It was that kind of day.
I went for a long, long walk down the road and it was done in the blink of an eye, it seemed. I was still angry. And, in awe. That despite the fact that it was a windy, snowy, bleak April day here.
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I’d do anything to have a snow storm at this point!
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I’m glad you can help me see the snow yesterday from a different perspective, Robert. I actually view that as a sort of gift So, thanks.
Funny thing is, amidst wrestling from afar with a mess at school (distance un-learning!), I had to drive one of the cars to get some work done -somewhat essential stuff; a recall.
I was in Binghamton, NY, a typical Upstate New York small city. It’s still recovering from the last recession 10 years ago.
So on a bleak, cold morning when the East Side was close to empty, some of the more rundown sections had an almost 1930s Depression era feel to them -if it was a black and white photo I was inhabiting. Which it kind of was yesterday, with the snow squalls and gray skies.
I left the car off at the dealership and took a walk up towards the center of the city. I had to stretch my legs. The wind was whipping into my face, blowing snow in my eyes. A few cars went by but store after store was shut down tight. A sporting goods place had a sign that read “Spring Sports Are Here!” Not.
Then from a distance, I saw a figure walking towards me. The snow was gusting but as she got closer I could see the woman was wearing the most beautiful scarf wrapped around her face. It was colorful and thick like it was made of wool. And, I’m thinking, is that scarf because of this snow squall or COVID-19…or both?
When she passed by me I sort of waved and said hello, I mean we’re the only two human beings in the middle of this crazy moment in time. And, at the exact same instant, she kind of sidestepped away from me, putting a few extra feet between us. Not a word was said.
Was is social distancing or just what she would’ve done on any other morning on an empty sidewalk? I mean who knows what I looked like…this old guy trudging toward her. I kept on walking and didn’t look back. It did make me laugh to myself, though.
Whatever germs I might have were blowing far, far away from us, down the empty street.
I kept going and made it to the Salvation Army Thrift Store. It was a good place to turn around on my walk. Plus, a friend of mine loves going there to find bargains. I figured the store would be closed -and it was. The sign scrawled in the window said something, like, we’ll be open again, someday…
I was going to take a picture of the front door with my phone for my friend…like, hey, I got here, the place you love. But it was all too depressing. Plus there were some people milling around nearby. It would’ve been like stopping to take a photo at the scene of an accident.
The loading dock nearby that accepts donations was opened up and two guys were walking around out there in the wind, both with only shorts on and no coats. One man was smoking and a couple times he hacked this long, deep, mucous-filled cough.
He started doing this pacing back and forth thing on the sidewalk and when I passed by him I held my breath. Yeah. And, neither one of us looked at each other.
My entire life, Robert, I’ve never been in weather like that.
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John, I’m familiar with Binghamton, having been raised in NY State. Your narrative small moment reads as surreal.
The worst is when everyone is wearing face masks and just looks at each other with some reasonable caution and suspicion. You can see facial expression only in the eyes. It’s a scene from The Outer Limits”.
A sign of the times, but there is much hope also!
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Our response to COVID-19 would have been far better if we had a coordinated public health policy that was well funded. Instead, we have a hodge-podge of state efforts in competition with each other and the federal government as well.
The right wing’s obsession with small government has resulted in a government that is no longer interested in serving the people. The 1% has little need for most government services or social safety nets. They are only interested in policies that will serve the wealthy. When people vote for members of “the freedom caucus,” they are voting for a group whose main goal is obstruction, not service. They are not interested in progress; they are interested sabotaging any effort to make progress. Our current government largely serves the interests of corporations and wealthy individuals, not the people.
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The states are responding in the absence of federal leadership.
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Then you get the reports like this one where FEMA commandeered the private purchase of 500 ventilators by Colorado and then Trump “gave” 100 to his ally Cory Gardner. So go it on your own except when Trump wants them for his political agenda?
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In California Newsom has started saying it is a “nation state,” perhaps due the abandonment of the federal government. When broken ventilators from China were sent, Newsom called up his billionaires like Elon Musk to fix them.
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Yes! Now that Trump does not know what he’s doing, he’s leaning on the crutch known as “State sovereignty “, a long held tenet and tradition of the “United” States.
But it’s specious, because not every state has equal resources, and Trump and friends are turning this into a “We feds will help the reddest states first” dynamic. Yet NY’s loss on real estate property tax write-offs helps subsidize the poorer, redder states, where property taxes are low.
Let’s not forget the 6 corporations that the DOJ just gave license to form a monopoly/cartel to distribute medical supplies and THEY reserve the option to supply only those clients who had pre-existing contracts. If your local hospital is not one of those clients, then the problem of you not getting a ventilator is YOUR problem. In an unprecedented action, Trump and the house have decided that FEMA will only be a partial purchasing agent and distributor of medical supplies, and at least 40% of it will be handled by these for-profit six collaborating corporations. And market dynamics of supply and demand will simply determine for tens of millions of people who will get what and to what extent.
So much for government, my taxes, and groovy capitalism.
What frustrates me the most is not even that the feds are doing this crap, but that most Americans are not even, as usual, aware . . . . American ignorance and indifference are far more deadly than any politician or virus . . . .
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I think there are more who are aware than you think. It’s hard to keep perspective now but there are basically 4 groups of people.
1. Those who know/care, but they are financially very stable and well invested. They only care about themselves. Life is great for them.
2. Those who know/care, but who are tired and weary of constantly voting and getting the opposite of what they voted for (DINO’s). But they will keep on trying and getting beaten down every election cycle.
3. Sheeple…no explanation needed. They don’t know and they don’t care. Gods and Guns will make it all right . STUPID
4. The poor who can only think about how to basically survive in a dog eat dog world. They know and care but can’t afford to spend time and limited resources to fight.
Maybe this is our chance for a big “Do Over”?
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Well put, Lisa.
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With deaths reaching 2000 a day, where are the pro-life evangelicals and Catholics?
Their leaders are still steering voters to the social and economic Darwinists and plutocrats, de facto, the Republican Party.
Where’s the USCCB and the local dioceses’ political arms i.e. state Catholic Conferences? They aren’t condemning the Wisconsin GOP for suppressing the vote when they had people risk their lives to vote in a primary. They aren’t condemning the Republican House in Kansas for overturning the Democratic Governors’ closure of religious gatherings.
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.Lacking empathy, the religious like the idea of mothers lined up with their hungry broods of children at private charity food lines.
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Religious organizations are property tax exempt .They better keep their mouths shut and not politicize anything in favor of the little people because if they do, the feds might get pissed off and change the tax codes.
As the French have long sagaciously said, “Everyone out for himself, and God for everyone!”
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Daily Kos reports tax exempt religious groups have been deemed to qualify as “businesses” in the stimulus package.
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Draining America
As normal drainings go
The draining has been slow
It’s decades in the making
A long-term undertaking
It’s privatizing good
As Friedman understood
It’s plunging folks in debt
To turn a profit net
It’s negligence to feed
The populace in need
It’s emptying the guv
The sound of “glub glub glub”
The news upon the street:
The draining is complete
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Money lovers win yet again. Our Father’s house, the beautiful earth, sustainer of life is being transmuted into a garbage dump. The absolute essentials for life; breathable air, drinkable water, even nourishing food are all now poisoned. The natural world with its own timetable for change is now rushed into a climate of horrendous fires, drought, humongous hurricanes, commonplace destructive weather, misery and destruction.
Even our political system has degenerated into a grab for power at any cost. The president; I AM the law. I can do ANYTHING I choose, my sheep follow me. Voter suppression reaches its ugly zenith. Wisconsin voters one way or the other are kept from voting. This follows Jim Crow laws, any way to seize and maintain power, to gain, maintain accumulation of wealth by, for the few. Gerrymandering, whatever it takes.
The search for “truth” supplanted by denigration of scholarly, intensive study. The good of the people supplanted by wealth accumulation for the few. “Let them eat cake”.
A president who is knowledgeable, moral, politically astute is supplanted by ignorance, narcissism, vindictiveness, pettiness, who destroys the essence of democracy, environment of all kinds and is adulated by so many. History repeats itself..
The most basic essentials for life, let alone liberty, pursuit of happiness, all men are created equal etc supplanted by greed.
Do unto others is supplanted by ethnic, religious intolerance, things we once took pride in as essential American values. Our birthright sold for a mess – literal mess.
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“In 2001, I wrote about experts urging a “medical Manhattan Project” for new vaccines, antibiotics and antivirals…”
Saying “we need another Manhattan Project” has essentially become a vacuous cliche.
This idea of creating a Manhattan Project whenever we face big problems is wrongheaded for a couple reasons.
First, that would help alleviate the problem of antibiotic resistant bacteria, but not the current pandemic because you can’t make vaccines and antivirals for viruses you don’t know about.
Second, the current problem involves much more than simply an ability to produce vaccines and antiviral drugs. It is a systemic problem with our current health care system and governmental inability to address even very basic issues like supplying masks and other PPEs — to say nothing of ensuring that everyone who is sick has access to care.
The Manhattan Project worked not just — or even primarily — because it focussed a lot of expertise and money on a problem . It worked because the problem it was addressing lent itself to a “tidy” self contained solution that depended only on physics and engineering and not on outside largely uncertain and uncontrollable factors involving people (not just physics)
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In many regards, the problem physicists solved in the Manhattan Project was actually an easy one. If that had not been the case, they would not have achieved success as quickly as they did — regardless of how many geniuses they had working on it.
Compare that to a hard problem (again in physics): a controlled nuclear fusion reactor. Despite working on the latter problem for decades, physicists are still far from a solution.
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Of critical importance is the fact that a Manhattan style project can ONLY have a chance of success AFTER a problem has been identified.
That means “a medical Manhattan Project” for new vaccines and antivirals…” CAN’T work on a virus that has not yet been identified as a problem.
That should be obvious but apparently was not to the doctor that Milbank quoted nor to Milbank.
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“Manhattan Project” is now synonymous with “silver bullet”
Silver bullets only kill
The werewolves and their kin
Relying on a magic pill
Will only do us in
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Milbank’s specific words were “a medical Manhattan Project” for new vaccines, antibiotics and antivirals…” [Milbank’s words]
That makes it very clear that Milbank was specifically referring to a Manhattan project for new vaccines and antivirals in addition to antibiotics.
As I indicated above, the reference to new antibiotics makes sense because one can develop them to counter antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria and many antibiotics are also “broad spectrum” (work on other bacteria as well)
But in the current context (and specific context of Milbank’s opinion piece) — ie, viruses that we have never seen before — it makes absolutely no sense.
Developing new vaccines and antivirals for viruses we have never encountered before is simply an impossibility.
And even if Milbank was simply sloppy in his use of words,does not understand what the Manhattan project actually entailed and was really referring to a more general medical system better able to deal with pandemics, then he has the second issue I referred to above: he has been quite vehemently been opposed to just such a system. He can’t have it both ways.
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Incidentally, this highlights a general problem with “columnists”. They sometimes (often?) write about things about which they are clueless.
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Last two comments should have gone below
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It should also be noted that Milbank and his employer (Washington Post) have vehemently attacked the sort of public health care system that WOULD help prepare our country for pandemics (as prepared as one can ever hole to be)– single payer/Medicare for all — raising the “socialism” spectre to scare people off.
And also attacked anyone like Sanders and Warren who have called for such a system.
So you gotta just love it when folks like Milbank tell us he has been warning us for decades to prepare for pandemics.
Ha ha ha!
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“I repeat these things not to pretend I was prescient…”
Sure. We believe you Dana.
Dana Willwank
Dana Milbank
Wants public to thank
His habit to wank
And laugh to the bank
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I took the Manhattan Project comment as a metaphor for creating an infrastructure that would be prepared to lead efforts to mitigate the effects on the healthcare system’s ability to treat victims and pursue research into possibly curative medical interventions in the event of a wide scale medical emergency. Yeah, a single payer medical system would eliminate a lot of the access to medical care problems we face today, but it would not necessarily leave us much better prepared to deal with the consequences of a novel virus. Rationing care might be equitable at least, but that doesn’t mean treatment would be available to all equally. Too few ventilators is still too few ventilators. They may be able to source them more expeditiously (One would hope so!), but if the government takes the three monkeys approach (See no evil,…) the results would still be disastrous. It just means the healthcare system would pay for my medical (palliative?) care before I died. Manhattan Project might have been a poor metaphor to use, but as you can see it is possible to take the intent of the imagery differently.
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This summarizes the Republican ideology of the last 40 years.
How’s that working for us now?
https://www.reaganfoundation.org/ronald-reagan/reagan-quotes-speeches/news-conference-1/
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“How’s that working” for Evangelicals and Catholics Together?
Answer- they’ve built the theocracy that Jefferson warned against.
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The “anti-big government people” are actually against collective action of almost any kind (save the military, the courts and police, etc.). This is because they represent, or are, very wealthy people and the only way people who are not wealthy can amass equivalent political power is through collective action of many individuals.
So, all of the evils of big government proffered as reasons we need to minimize the size of government are just bogus propaganda against collective actions of any kinds, especially worker’s unions (the collectives that cowed the rich businessmen). (This is why unions have been defanged in this country through a concerted, well-funded campaign.
Our governments represent “us, collectively,” which is why they were also targeted.
Consider the attacks on “guvmint reg-you-lay-shuns.” These are generally made in “we all know” arguments or certainly in the vaguest actual terms. I insist that such attacks be specific, very specific. If they are not I get to choose the regulations to be considered, such as rules of the road (“Drive on either side of the road, it is a God-given American right!) or child labor laws (Those kids need to learn the discipline needed for the workplace, what better place that the breaker boxes in a coal processing facility?”)
Nobody want’s unnecessary regulations and everybody wants necessary ones, so the real question is “This regulation: necessary or unnecessary?” But the attackers have turned the debate into a “Regulations: yes or no?” debate, which serves no one except the oligarchs trying to kill very specific regulations currently under consideration.
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“The most drastic attack against church-state separation”
Daily Kos reports religious groups (tax exempt) have been deemed, “businesses” in order to throw some of the stimulus money their way. We’re aware the religious don’t have to follow anti-discrimination guidelines in hiring… theocracy plows ahead.
With 40% of the population, evangelical and Catholic and committed voters, how many in Congress will try to stop the “most drastic attack”?
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#Coronavirus #Pandemic #
TrumpPresident Trump Had Plenty Warnings And Still Ignored The Coronavirus | Op-Ed | NowThis
Apr 10, 2020
Pres. Donald Trump had plenty of clues that ‘his administration wasn’t ready for a pandemic’ — here’s a look at many of these warning signs and the very real consequences that Americans are now facing.
In US news and current events today, the coronavirus outbreak, the COVID-19 pandemic has turned the lives of Americans, and many other people around the world, upside down. The Trump administration has been criticized for its lack of preparedness for the pandemic, especially considering all the warnings that were presented to the president well in advance.
NowThis’ Political Director Nico Pitney reviews the facts in this detailed overview of the Trump administrations history when it comes to being prepared for a pandemic such as the novel coronavirus.
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WaPo:
Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s leading infectious disease expert, said he hopes for “a real degree of normality” by November.
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Looks like a number of Trump supporters may not be with us for the November elections.
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A number of evangelical pastors are also proceeding apace with their plans for large tent gatherings in the summer and fall, claiming that COVID-19 represents a “Satanic agenda” with a “demonic assignment” including preventing a series of evangelical events planned in the South and Midwest. It includes a mass gathering on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., in June.
Rodney Howard-Browne, from Tampa Bay, Florida, meanwhile, used his newfound national profile to continue promoting his far-right brand of Christianity. A Friday tweet he posted tried to make hay with new government recommendations for ordinary people to wear protective masks by suggesting it is just a preparatory step for forced Islamic beliefs: “Masks now Burkas next—get ready!” he wrote.
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Go to church. In a few weeks there will be fewer Trump supporters and Republicans. I’m getting disgusted with these people who feel that going to church is a “necessity”. Gatherings have already proved disastrous but facts never matter. The problem is that people who have been to church are going to infect others who stayed home.
A friend of mine has a husband in an assisted living place. He has just tested positive for coronavirus. It is thought that some health care worker was asymptomatic. All have their temperatures taken before entering this facility.
South Korea didn’t have its numbers go down by having to listen to such looneys.
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Top conservatives voice concerns over restrictions on religious gatherings due to COVID-19
House Freedom Caucus Chairman Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.) and Rep. Jody Hice(R-Ga.) raised concerns that restrictions put in place amid the coronavirus pandemic are infringing on Americans’ religious freedom.
In a letter sent to President Trump, Vice President Pence and Attorney General William Barr on Saturday, the lawmakers said they understand the reason behind social distancing practices put in place, but they feel with the right precautions, people should not be restricted from gathering at places of worship.
“We write to you out of great concern for the right to religious freedom enshrined in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. In response to the COVID-19 pandemic, governors and local leaders around the country have issued orders of varying restrictions on their communities to slow the spread of the virus,” they wrote…
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/492374-top-conservatives-voice-concerns-over-restrictions-on-religious-gathers-due-to
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I sent this to state Senator Niemeyer [R-IN] and state Representative Chyung [D-IN].
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Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:01 am
Editorial
Crisis lays bare Indiana’s poorly placed priorities
The numbers are grim:
• Indiana unemployment claims in April are up nearly 3,000% over January, the 10th-largest increase among the states.
• Demand at Community Harvest Food Bank is up 40% as job losses leave families without a source of income.
• Indiana, which ranks 49th in the nation for spending on public health, lags all its neighboring states in testing for coronavirus.
• The state’s 211 hotline is receiving about 25,000 calls a day regarding mental health, including suicide distress calls, compared with the usual 1,000 calls a day.
• A communitywide survey by researchers at the Parkview Mirro Center conducted in mid-March found 44% of Fort Wayne residents are living paycheck to paycheck, with no way to meet living expenses beyond one or two weeks.
The numbers reveal a state unprepared to face its current crisis. One state official said last week that Indiana’s safety net was never prepared to catch everyone, but the pace at which it stretched to the breaking point shows how fragile the state’s economic strength was. Its vaunted low cost of doing business counts for little when businesses are ordered to close. Low cost of living means nothing when low-wage jobs are on furlough. An attractive corporate tax climate is meaningless when the economy has ground to a halt.
If Indiana had invested more in its residents than its businesses, is it possible there would be fewer Hoosiers suffering today? What if the state had spent less time trying to bolster payday-lending companies and instead raised the eligibility and benefit levels for Temporary Aid to Needy Families – levels that remain the same as when established in 1988?
What if it had spent less time targeting regulatory requirements on businesses and instead adopted a voluntary work-share program that would allow employees to stay on the job at reduced hours and collect partial unemployment compensation? Might more Hoosiers be working today?
If the General Assembly devoted more time to considering paid sick time requirements and less to trumped-up “religious freedom” debates, might there be more Hoosiers prepared to weather the crisis?
What if Indiana lawmakers hadn’t long resisted calls from both health and business leaders to adopt a higher cigarette tax and instead invested the resulting revenue in health programs and smoking-cessation efforts? Would fewer people be smokers today? Would fewer be at risk for a deadly respiratory virus?
Many will say now is not the right time to ask these questions. But somehow it wasn’t the right time when lawmakers were boasting of Indiana’s economic strength, either. When the COVID-19 shutdown is finally past, Hoosiers shouldn’t overlook how quickly the state reached a crisis situation. They shouldn’t allow elected officials to dismiss Indiana’s unpreparedness as unavoidable.
There were calls for change. There were models to follow. There were warnings – largely ignored – that too many Hoosiers were living on the edge. They are impossible to ignore now.
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I was wondering what Edward Snowden would say.
Shelter in Place with Shane Smith & Edward Snowden (Full Episode)Apr 10, 2020
VICE
Shane chats with former NSA spy and whistleblower Edward Snowden on the rise of authoritarianism during the COVID-19 pandemic.
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