This article in The Nation by Casey Parks tells the story of Sci Academy in New Orleans and the lessons it learned over time about making bold promises.
The school pledged that all its students would go to college and encouraged them to apply to four-year colleges that were outside their comfort zone (not close by and predominantly white).
In 2012, almost all of its graduates were accepted to colleges. By 2019, only 18% had graduated from college.
Parks describes what happened to some of Sci’s top students.
Only months after starting college, some students dropped out.
Most couldn’t point to just one reason for their decision. Some missed their families or needed to find jobs to pay for gaps remaining after their scholarships. Students who enrolled in a North Louisiana university found that the food was too bland. No other place in America is like New Orleans—not even North Louisiana—and it hurt too much to lose the city again after they’d been displaced by the hurricane. Others grew unfocused after they left Sci’s scaffolds.
Some earned their first Fs, and the failures depressed them. Eddie Barnes had been one of Sci’s most celebrated students. He finished with the fifth-highest GPA and won nearly every social accolade the school gave out. He went to Middlebury College, a selective school in Vermont, where only 4 percent of students are black.
His Russian intro class was tougher than advanced Spanish had been at Sci, and he couldn’t always bring himself to trudge through the snow to his 8 am psychology class. But he spoke up in his romantic literature course, and he helped other students with their African American religious history papers. Still, none of that mattered after his grades came back lower than he’d expected. By his second semester, he was on academic probation. He dropped out during his sophomore year.
Sci Academy tried to help students as they struggled. Its founder, Ben Marcovitz, realized that he needed a more diverse staff to connect with students. He also realized that some of his students were not equipped to succeed in the nation’s most competitive colleges. He even realized that college was not the right destination for everyone, and that some would find fulfilling careers and vocations without a bachelor’s degree.
Only six of Sci’s first graduates finished college within six years, the federal standard for on-time graduation. Three others earned degrees this year. Though eight, including Pierre, are still working toward a degree, 32 of the 49 who enrolled in college have dropped out.
Collegiate Academies is the only charter network in New Orleans that has publicly shared its college persistence results. Most of the city’s charter high schools don’t track the number of alumni who go on to earn bachelor’s degrees, and KIPP New Orleans, the one network that does, declined to share its data. KIPP’s first graduating class from New Orleans has been in college for only five years, shy of the federal cutoff for on-time graduation. But researchers at the Education Research Alliance for New Orleans, a Tulane-based organization that studies post-Katrina education reforms, found last year that the new high schools have increased college graduation rates by 3 to 5 percentage points since Hurricane Katrina. None have come close to achieving the college for all they once promised…Over time, Marcovitz has hired a more diverse teaching corps. That first year, only one of seven teachers identified as a person of color. Today, more than half of the 140 teachers who work at his schools do.
This is not a story about charter failure, but a story about lessons learned.

Those are valuable lessons learned the hard way. They wouldn’t be such tough lessons if public colleges and universities were tuition free, and so many people weren’t saddled with lifetime student loan debt.
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Anyone that has worked with poor students understands that going to college is a daunting task for poor young students. They leave college for a variety of personal, socioeconomic and academic reasons. These students do not have the same support system that middle class students have. No excuses charter schools may not have prepared them for the type of time management, maturity and self discipline required in college. Having diverse teachers in schools is a benefit to all students. For minority students it contributes to a sense of self esteem. It is unfortunate that these private charters operate in a vacuum of bias. They waste students’ time with their amateur, non-evidence based lack of understanding of the issues.
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“operating in a vacuum of bias” — well said
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I hope that one of the lessons learned for schools like Middlebury is that it is not enough to simply have all kinds of services “available” to those that seek them out.
I have spoken to students who are very successful in college – they are constantly pro-active, seeking out professors during office hours, getting input on outlines for papers and more input on rough drafts. They schedule classes to begin 11am or later because they know they will miss too many 8am classes.
But the ones who struggle don’t seek out help or do so when it is already much too late. At 18, some college students still don’t understand that seeking help isn’t a sign of weakness or that having a professor read an early rough draft and make suggestions about how to improve it isn’t getting unfair help or being a “brownnose” (or whatever the current term is).
I don’t think it matters how lacking a student’s high school education is if that student has internalized that there are all kinds of resources that universities have that they take advantage of. And I don’t think it matters how good that education is if they are among the many 18 year olds who don’t understand how to ask for help even before there is a problem. And I think with first generation students who may not have parents who can step in, it is so much harder. Just having “resources” for students to use if they choose only works for the students who have internalized the belief that choosing to use them is something to be admired instead of embarrassed about.
(Also, there are all sorts of other financial reasons that make it hard for the most disadvantaged students to succeed in college. But even for students with a full-ride plus room and board, that isn’t always enough.)
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My son visited Middlebury. He was told at the time that over 90% of the students they accepted graduated. I was appalled. How could a school have such a precise gauge on future student production, or was it, in fact, an admission of a rather weak curriculum? I don’t know what image the recruiter was trying to convey, but it seemed fishy to me. I went to Case Tech (before it joined with Western Reserve), and at that school, in my day, less than half who were admitted left with a degree from Case (many transferred, some gave up).
Nevertheless, one thing Middlebury’s graduation rate might imply is that they do have ‘resources’ for students to support most students, even when they made a misjudgment by granting admission. I suspect that they don’t wait for a student to ‘ask for help’. Not really knowing that much about the university, I’m not all that willing to blame Middlebury on that score. Perhaps someone will weigh in who has more personal ‘Middlebury’ experience and set me straight.
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D,
Middlebury is an excellent liberal arts college. I don’t have personal knowledge of their admissions po,Ickes, but I assume that the 90% graduation rate means that they are very selective and accept students who are likely to complete the requirements for the degree.
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Diane Ravitch and the Network for Public Education have done a breathtaking (and courageous) job, for years now, of detailing the rampant corruption in the charter school industry. And there’s a common theme: these schools (and networks of schools) begin with a lot of hype about how they are going to reinvent schools, and then their owners or management companies use those schools as vehicles for looting public treasuries.
Story after story after story, one finds the same scenario played out.
Meanwhile, back in the public schools that most students attend, Deformers have used standardized testing and national standards pretending to be state standards (and VAM and school grading based on these) to limit the kinds of real innovation that can be done. Where before, teachers and administrators at the school and district levels could simultaneously stick with the tried-and-true AND introduce innovations in to their curricula and pedagogy as they saw fit, now innovation in both has pretty much ground to a halt because of the ubiquitous requirement that they stick to the standards and to preparing students for the all-important tests. So, the Deformers have public schools running in ruts at the same time that they are offering their “innovations,” their “disruptions.”
It takes truly courageous teachers and administrators to buck this and do, in public schools, what’s right for kids even if it’s not on the puerile Gates/Coleman bullet list.
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Bravo!
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There was another article similar to this recently, which was a longitudinal study on a KIPP school in Philadelphia. In both pieces, charter school operators take credit for the small minority of alumni who graduate college within six years (the standard for college success rate), but when the vast majority wash out in college, those same corporate ed. reform charter school operators lay the blame elsewhere, usually on those kids themselves, and on their impoverished or otherwise challenging circumstances.
In years past, those same corporate ed. reformers blathered the Michelle Rhee line about how wrong it was to blame students or their distressed families, poverty, etc., lashing out thusly at traditional public school educators who tried to highlight the challenges of teaching low income and/or urban minority kids.
“You’re just making excuses. We in the corporate ed. reform world will show you how it’s done.”
L.A.’s ongoing Green Dot Locke High School fiasco was and is typical of that. You don’t hear much about the “miracle” school takeover that was promised for Locke, but never delivered. In justifying that takeover, they did the same “You’re making excuses,” accusations, but ten years later, after that takeover, when their scores are the same or lower and the prior incarnation of Locke, Green Dot charter operators are now saying the same things that that they condemned previously when said by their predecessor teachers and administrators — i.e. hey, it’s challenging teaching kids from neighborhoods and backgrounds such as these.
And lo and behold, they didn’t perform the miracles which they said they would, and end up … wait for it … making excuses.
And then, of course, there was the whole accountability thru student test scores — and no excuses for not raising those scores … Raise ’em or get fired!!! — which led to the cheating debacles in cities such as Atlanta, and Washington, D.C..
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I know this group hates data because it blows your narratives out of the water, but you all criticizing and rooting for a school to fail kids when they gave their kids a shot at college.
Nationwide persistence for low income kids is 16% and is a major challenge we need to address. I used to be one of those students and it took the right fit and plenty of support, but I at least I had completed A-G requirements (In CA that the minimum to have the option to apply to a university) and had that option. It looks like that this school has a similar challenge with college persistence, but they at least have their kids able to apply and be accepted. That is step one, but not the full journey obviously.
In CA Public Schools, only 33% of students have completed A-G and have the option to apply to college.
In LAUSD, only 38% of low income students completed A-G
In OUSD, only 33% of low income students completed A-G
That means, 2/3 of low income students in the state are not even being given the chance to apply for a four year. That choice is being taken from them.
Yes, a lot has to be done on college persistence for low income students. Before you look for others to criticize or to root for failure, either work with schools to better prepare kids to even have the option to apply for college or work with Sci Academy to help these kids better persist and complete college once they get there. Roll up your sleeves.
Come on Diane, don’t take down my comment. Your followers need to know the data.
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People need to stop blaming schools instead of poverty. Taking California’s A-G classes doesn’t solve anything for most students who come to school from crowded homes with bars on the windows, if they’re fortunate enough to have a home at all. When we start taxing billionaires to pay for social services instead of allowing those same billionaires to fund privatization schemes that further enrich themselves and destroy the unions that used to support the middle class, students will have a better chance. Of course we’re not rooting for the students to fail; we are showing that charters and testing don’t solve any of the students’ problems.
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Sorry, Francisco, but your characterization of posters here as being unaware of or unwilling to help low income students is completely false. If you had actually spent any substantive time reading this blog you would know that dozens of the regular posters have spent decades of their lives working to educate students within the nation’s inner cities. Several regular posters have spent their entire careers doing exactly that within California’s poorest neighborhoods and urban school districts.
Posters here are well aware of the difficulties that poor children, urban children, and children of color face. Your post is disingenous at best.
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Francisco,
Sorry to let you know, but data are not on your side.
Read more here.
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Lots of these students cannot afford college, and they know it. At best they might get to a community college. That is why Bernie wants to make it free so poor students will be able to attend.
I don’t know that we oppose data. We do not believe data is the main purpose of education, and this includes testing. We know that test based “accountability” is false flag that yields a lot of misused information.
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My position is a little more nuanced than the one you seem to be tagging me with.
I’ve never rooted against any student — whatever the ethnicity, socioeconomic strata, or type of school attended, etc. — to fail at college.
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It’s my understanding, Francisco, that the California University system once had free tuition and an ‘open enrollment’ policy for students that lived within the State. The first year was a ‘flunk out year’ (of course), but at least everyone had that chance, if they wanted it. I don’t live there, so I’m a bit hazy about CA. Perhaps someone can correct my impression. Since then, that right has been taken away. One might blame a particular political Party, yet the majority of voters in California voted to ‘reduce taxes’, and with that came reduced public services.
There are, at present, many ‘free tuition’ colleges (most have selective enrollment) and a few open enrollment ones (most involve tuition).. As I hear, over half of ‘community colleges’ are open enrollment, and fairly cheap. These offer a ‘halfway house’ to 4 years schools, and credits often transfer.
As far as ‘statistics’ go.. Statistics (honestly done) don’t lie, but liars can ‘figure’ (and confuse with numbers). You cite ‘statistics’ without any measurement of error (standard deviation, for example). Our country has been so inundated with ‘statistics’ that most people are easily confused, and forget to ask the important question.
I grew up in Cincinnati (home of Procter&Gamble). I remember the slogan of Ivory Soap.. ‘It’s 99 and 44/100 percent pure!’ Pure what? Pure bullpucky.
I’m a person who at least frequently reads on this site. I don’t comment often. However, I also have degrees in Astronomy and Physics. Carl Gauss (inventor of error measurement) was an Astronomer, as well as a mathematician. I was required (on an exam) to show how the ‘random walk problem’ led to the ‘Gaussian distribution’ of error measurement as an undergraduate, so I know something about ‘statistics’. I not only know how to calculate them, I also know how to calculate the probable error (and the probability of that error) and the theory behind it. I know about the later ‘improvements’, the ‘one tailed’ solutions, ‘quantum effects’, and so on.
Many who post here do not have that level of expertise in that particular specialty, but others do. I’m not a professional statistician, and much of what I was trained for was not used after I decided to teach High School, but that doesn’t mean that we ‘teachers’ hate data. Some of us just understand how that ‘data’ can be misused so that liars can lie with statistics. That makes us dangerous to the liars.
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You all proved my point. Nobody came back with any evidence to back their claim.
Diane tried, but failed to include a ink. I am not sure what data was going to be shared. Mine came straight off the CDE Dataquest site, so unless there is another state of CA I am not aware of, the fact is the vast majority of kids are not being properly prepared by our education system to have the OPTION to attend college.
LeftCoastTeacher: Of course focusing and completing A-G helps address the problem as it at least gives the kid the option. Yes there are many other hurdles we need to address, but if you can’t qualify to even attend a CSU, the kid is put at a horrible disadvantage. And how dare you think most of us come from crowded homes with bars on our windows. What a terrible stereotype and you should be ashamed for that statement.
Retired Teacher, I don’t disagree that college should be free for low income kids. But if over 2/3’s are not qualified to apply, it won’t matter. And I never once mentioned or advocated for standardized testing or using that data in any way. I simply pointed out the major gap of kids not qualified to have the option to apply to a 4 year.
Daedalus, not really sure the point of your post except that you are an Astronomer and Physicist (interesting you had no data or evidence to share for your rebuttle) and you are dangerous to liars (not sure if you were calling me a liar and just giving a warning). The data I used came straight from CA Data System and numerous studies on college completion rates. You can look them up.
I think we can all agree there is a major challenge facing our kids with limited means.
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I’m not sure why you arrived here with a chip on your shoulder and a grudge against everyone posting here. This is my living room and we practice civility and courtesy on this site. If that’s too difficult for you, go elsewhere.
As it happens, I was invited to address the leaders of the Cal State System a couple of years ago. I dug into the data and what I found was that students were not completing college because they couldn’t afford the cost of college. It would take a while to dig up the data but I could. One excellent resource is Sara Goldrick-Rab’s book, “Paying the Price: College Costs, Financial Aid, and the Betrayal of the American Dream.”
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“Us”? Who are you? I was talking about the students who don’t go to college. If you’re not in that group, you’re not in that group. Or were you thinking of a different classification?
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Corporate education destroyers always misuse data. They point to a statistic noting that less than 100% of students are getting straight As or scoring “proficient” and blame public schools for it. It’s never due to other factors. It’s a deceptive practice best exemplified by George W Bush declaring in 2002 that No Child would be Left Behind “proficiency” by 2014 because we’d just get rid of “low expectations”. We all know how that worked out.
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It (misuse of numbers) happens (in my opinion) because most folks never had a decent course in ‘statistics’, nor a decent introduction to logic. Probably for the reason that our ‘rulers’ don’t want most folks to think all that clearly. There’s too much money and power to be gained by keeping people ignorant.
As you point out, some want to use numbers to mislead (not Francisco, if he/she is still listening). People learn that numbers are ‘right’ because ‘2 + 2 = 4’. As a result, when someone throws out a number, we are taught that it must be ‘accurate’.
However, we are almost never taught that mathematics is a deductive system, and the ‘Achilles heel’ of such systems is that they always rest upon the belief in a set of ‘basic assumptions’. But, life isn’t like that. Life is inductive. We (and all other life forms) probe and adjust our basic rules so that they enhance chances of making sense of our often changing surroundings (at least the part that we can sense).
I think both ‘introductory statistics’ and ‘logic’ could be taught to most High School students. They would be far more valuable then, say, factoring polynomials.
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No chip, just presenting some data and evidence that I thought would push thinking here. And yes, I am familiar with Sara’s book and to be clear, I agree college should be free. I agree college is too costly for low and middle income kids. Here is what i am saying…College could be free tomorrow. The vast majority of graduating seniors would not be able to apply because they would not qualify. That is a travesty and schools that have become a proof point for addressing this issue should be supported in going to the next level and getting those kids to persist and complete. Still a lot of work to do there too, but kids at least need the chance to qualify.
If you honor civility, I would also share a message with LeftCoastTeacher that insulting millions of Americans who don’t make it to college by saying that most of them live in crowded homes with bars on the windows is not very civil.
LeftCoastTeacher…who am I? My family and I are from East Los Angeles and have now spread out all over California. I am second generation Mexican American. I did go to college, but most of my cousins and siblings did not. We did not live in homes with bars on the windows.
Nah, I think I’ll stick around and try to engage with actual evidence and data. I think we can all use it.
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I don’t understand your hostility. I frankly don’t know what point you are trying to make other than to insult anyone who disagrees with you. You started in your first comment by insulting me, and that’s reason enough to ask you to go elsewhere. Quietly.
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Francisco is of the opinion that charter schools are addressing students’ needs, while traditional public schools are not:
“That is a travesty and schools that have become a proof point for addressing this issue should be supported in going to the next level and getting those kids to persist and complete.”
Unfortunately, he’s apparently unwilling to examine charter schools in a critical manner. Pity that…
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Diane, not being hostile, just factual with data and the point i am trying to make again is “College could be free tomorrow. The vast majority of graduating seniors would not be able to apply because they would not qualify. That is a travesty and schools that have become a proof point for addressing this issue should be supported in going to the next level and getting those kids to persist and complete. Still a lot of work to do there too, but kids at least need the chance to qualify.” That may be uncomfortable if it doesn’t fit your narrative.
Steve M, nowhere in any of my comments did I ever mention charter or any other type of school. There are plenty of district run schools, private schools, home schools that also have success in getting low income students to qualify for college applications. Will you help support and scale the practices that are working at these schools to other schools, even if the school serving as the proof point happens to be a charter school? What about a private school?
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Francisco, you posted in the reply section of an article on charter schools. You also point to charter schools in this last reply. Stop being disingenuous.
You’re throwing out broad characterizations regarding the purpose and intent of Diane’s blog, as well as the people that engage in discussion here. However, it’s rather obvious that you have no idea what has been discussed over the many years that Diane’s blog has been in existance. Go back and read several years’ worth of posts, and of posts in blogs such as Gary Rubinstein’s and, then come back and engage with people. Otherwise you’re just pissing into the wind and accomplishing nothing. You’re not even making any specific points…just platitudes.
You ask “Will you help support and scale the practices that are working at these schools to other schools, even if the school serving as the proof point happens to be a charter school? What about a private school?”
Yes, I would, as would any of the regular posters here. Unfortunately, there’s been a dearth of strategies, practices and ideas to come out of eirther charter schools or private schools [one of Diane’s recent posts was on exactly that issue.] If you actually followed blogs like this one on a regular basis you would know that. You would know that, for the most part, the charter school industry is a scam. Go right ahead and point to what you consider to be the benefices of charter schools, they’ve all been shot down and are largely beneath discussion and your posts will mostly be ignored (unless you become a troll.) The people that frequent this blog are more than aware of anything you can point to.
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Interesting. You know, there are more parts of Los Angeles than East L.A.
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