Two first-grade children found a gun in an unlocked case in South Bloomfield Township last spring.
Highland Local Schools officials were alarmed to learn that a gun used as part of a concealed carry program to protect students was found by two first-grade students who removed it from its unlocked case.
The incident played out in mid-March in an administrative office beside Highland Elementary School in South Bloomfield Township near Sparta, but only recently came to light. It has reignited in this Morrow County district — located about 40 miles north of Columbus — a debate over whether teachers and school staff should be armed to protect students from active shooters.
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“My feeling is that (guns) don’t belong in schools,” said Wayne Hinkle, board president of Highland Local Schools, who was the lone opponent of the concealed carry policy enacted by the five-member board a year ago. “You don’t need them.”
Highland Elementary is a short walk to the district’s transportation office, where Vicky Nelson, transportation director, had left her pistol in a small unlocked plastic case near her desk when she left to go to the restroom.
Nelson was trained as part of the district’s concealed carry program and allowed to have a gun on school property.
Someone thought it was a good idea to have guns in schools.
Superintendent Freund, a teacher and administrator for 50 years, said he “became physically sick” when he learned of the March incident. “People were horrified,” he said.
As the district reviews its program, which includes several administrators and “select teachers,” he reminds people that critical incident medical response is 20 minutes away from his district of 1,800 students.
“If someone were to get in with an AR (assault-style rifle capable of firing dozens of rounds in seconds), we’re talking devastation,” he said. “Is it worth the risk to carry and prevent that?”
Can a handgun stop an AR-15?

At close range, a handgun can stop an AR-15. At any range, a handgun can also stop an innocent, young bystander. The amount of military training, experience and teamwork required to defuse a shooting situation as safely as possible is not feasible for civilians. Arming school personnel is an irrational act of fear. Decisions made in fear are rarely good ones. Let cooler heads prevail.
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Pretty much the EXACT scenario that we predicted, as teachers, when this idiotic idea was first introduced after Newtown…….
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Guns don’t belong in schools, as a policy. If the policy is in response to the gun problems the country is experiencing then the proliferation of guns is not a solution but an extension of the problem we are fighting. It will only enrich NRA who already seems to care only for their hold on power.
Putting guns in schools would run contrary to what many of us support; the lessening of guns in society. Fortresses would abound, each school a citadel. It would transform schools and their priorities which at times are already distracted by other things.
That is not a solution.
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Children are curious and if there is a gun they will most likely find it sometime. I read where one teacher left a gun in the washroom. One professor shot himself in the foot.
Arming teachers does nothing to prevent the killing of innocent adults and children who are outside the school grounds…theaters, concerts, night clubs, shopping, etc. Arming teachers could very likely cause a ‘shoot out at the OK corral” type of hallway disaster. How do the police know who is the shooter and who is the teacher? Trained police are accurate only 18% of the time. How accurate is a teacher going to be when under stress? This is one more stupid idea that is meant to allow everyone to continue to carry and love their guns.
Nelson was trained as part of the district’s concealed carry program and allowed to have a gun on school property
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Teachers Slam Trump’s Call For More Guns In Schools: ‘Are You F**king Insane?’
Educators tell the president they want to teach, not shoot.
Feb 22, 2018
Teachers are slamming President Donald Trump’s plan to bring more guns into schools by arming 20 percent of educators.
“We need solutions that will keep guns out of the hands of those who want to use them to massacre innocent children and educators,” Lily Eskelsen García, president of the National Education Association, told Education Week. “Arming teachers does nothing to prevent that.”
Many teachers have taken to social media to say they don’t want to carry guns, and more than a few pointed out that they were struggling to get funding for basic classroom supplies, much less firearms:…
Article: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-vs-teachers-guns-in-school_n_5a8e524de4b0617d4639e07c
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Arming teachers is the stupidiest idea since the Republican party decided to nominate an orange sluglike lifeform as its Presidential candidate.
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Interesting that you mention the OK corral incident. One account I read placed the blame for that shootout directly on the heroes of it who came out of the incident trying to show themselves to be great defenders of justice instead of corrupt officials.
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“Can a handgun stop an AR-15?”
Depends on who has the handgun and who has the AR-15.
It also depends on who has the element of surprise.
Yes, under the right circumstances where everything lines-up-and-works in favor of the defender with the handgun, the perpetrator with the AR-15 can die really fast with just one well placed shot from the handgun.
In fact, a person with a sharp pencil, a knife, or even a rock can take out someone with an AR-15 with the proper training on how to use the sharp pencil, knife or rock … under the right circumstances.
But, and this is huge BUT, in a battle, there is no way to control what happens second to second.
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The Dayton shooter (Toledo, if you ask Trump) left 9 dead and 27 injured in 32 SECONDS.
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32-seconds in Dayton
The only defense against an unexpected assault like “32-seconds in Dayton” is if you are in the military serving in a war zone and your unit (no matter what size it is from a squad to division) always has armed men on duty 24/7 ready to respond and the unit’s perimeter is often guarded with razor wire, bunkers, and mines like Claymores.
When I was in Vietnam, we always carried our weapons everywhere we went, even to the shitters (what we called bathrooms). I slept with my weapons because human wave attacks could happen at any time in an attempt to overwhelm us and breakthrough inside the perimeter.
In the civilian world, no one is on watch 24/7, and when it comes because few have military training and have actually served in combat, the shock often slows your response time down and you might even freeze unable to respond.
The suggestion/idea that we arm public school teachers and other school staff after a few hours of training is beyond insane.
Why does the GOP want to turn the United States into a war zone where no one is ever safe and everyone has to be heavily armed 24/7?
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Because of merchandise! Because of products! Because of profitable “solutions,” and “protections,” of course.
By no coincidence upon going into my classroom last week to start prepping, I noticed every door in the building retrofitted with these; https://windowarmor.net
Heavy duty steel, medieval looking, window shields. One more buck to be made on the backs of school children, dead or alive.
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LetThemLearn: No money for updated textbooks. No money for repairing schools. No money for enough special ed classes and the arts. No money for small class sizes BUT there is money for “Window Armor-Classroom Lockdown, Active shooter” crap.
Wouldn’t it be easier to pass strict gun laws and have a buy back program? Australia and New Zealand could do that but our gun loving 2nd amendment zealots would never allow such common sense to happen.
Arm the teachers. What would happen to a teacher’s career if she/he accidentally shot a kid. Bye-bye.
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These people are freaking nuts. Hire police to be in the schools.
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The public school district where I taught had its own police force. One of the Campus Police Officers (CPOs), also a former Marine, told me he had to go through the same training that Sheriff’s deputies were required to take before he could be a CPO in California and he was considered the same as a sheriff with a badge issued by the state, not the district.
But, Rowland Unified School District in California wouldn’t let the CPOs carry firearms because of the fear that students might take their firearm away from them and use it to kill or wound others. The CPOs went in front of the school board a few times during the years I worked in that district and their request was turned down every time.
There were six CPOs at the high school where I taught for the last 16 years of the 30 I was a public school teacher in that district. At the time, there were more 3,000 students on that campus and a significant number of those students belonged to violent, dangerous street gangs that controlled the streets around the schools.
One area not too far from that high school was so dangerous, the local police departments would not patrol those streets at night. That area was where I taught my first 5th-grade class in a grade school that looked like it was located in a war zone. When I taught in that grade school in the late 1970s, that school had concertina, razor wire running along the eves of the buildings’ roofs in an effort to keep the gangs off the roofs at night and on holidays and weekends.
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Lloyd,
I really enjoy reading your comments. THANK YOU.
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The only reason we are even talking about arming teachers or other school personnel is because the NRA and the GOP are adamantly opposed to banning semi-automatic assault style rifles and enacting stricter regulations regarding guns and gun ownership. Nothing constructive ever gets done, we just get these insane cockamamie trash ideas from the GOP/NRA: Arm teachers, allow conceal and carry, open carry, carry carry, ad nauseam. The only chance of getting half way sensible gun laws if we have the Democrats in control of the Congress, both houses, and the presidency. Forget about the SCOTUS, that’s under right wing control for the foreseeable future.
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I think the NRA and GOP have decided that there will be more profits to be made if they turn the United States into a war zone instead of fighting wars in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and all over the world.
Instead of fighting foreign wars, they want to turn Americans against each other and once the Always Trumpers start shooting at us Never Trumpers, they will get exactly what they want. A shooting war.
As the country divides between the two warring group’s, the biggest private-sector weapons industry in the world will profit off selling us all weapons, body armor, surveillance drones, etc.
Instead of mowing our lawns, we will be planting land mines in our yards as a defensive measure. The weapons industry will offer services that will plant the mines in our yards for us. Imagine all the profits to be made by the industry that makes bulletproof windows for our houses as the nation retrofits itself for endless, never-ending war.
Internet betting sites will set odds for battles raging in cities across the United States and people the world over will place bets on this battles between the two Trump factions, hoping the side they bet on wins and they profit from it.
Imagine the profits they will make. And while this insanity is raging, the 0.1 percent profiting off the war the most will live in peaceful countries like New Zealand where the population isn’t killing each other.
The United States will be turned into one huge Roman Style coliseum and combat photo teams from Hollywood and New York will be recording the battles and broadcasting them as reality TV so the noncombatants can tune in and watch the combatants slaughter each other.
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Seriously, WHAT is wrong with the GOP, so wrong that they can’t seem to tell psychosis from Shinola?
Thankfully, though, we are not going to go in the direction of the above. Is it Dunder Games or an apocalyptic backdrop of violence and greed for RoboGop III? But it helps to keep that sort of endgame clear, especially as that is what is happening on a psycho-economic level.
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The US had an assault weapons ban but it expired.
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Federal Assault Weapons Ban
Main article: Federal Assault Weapons Ban
Title XI-Firearms, Subtitle A-Assault Weapons, formally known as the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act but commonly known as the Federal Assault Weapons Ban or the Semi-Automatic Firearms Ban, barred the manufacture of 19 specific semi-automatic firearms, classified as “assault weapons”, as well as any semi-automatic rifle, pistol, or shotgun capable of accepting a detachable magazine that has two or more features considered characteristic of such weapons. The list of such features included telescoping or folding stocks, pistol grips, flash suppressors, grenade launchers, and bayonet lugs.
This law also banned possession of newly manufactured magazines holding more than ten rounds of ammunition.
The ban took effect September 13, 1994 and expired on September 13, 2004 by a sunset provision. Since the expiration date, there is no federal ban on the subject firearms or magazines capable of holding more than ten rounds of ammunition.
Federal Death Penalty Act
Title VI, the Federal Death Penalty Act, created 60 new death penalty offenses under 41 federal capital statutes, for crimes related to acts of terrorism, murder of a federal law enforcement officer, civil rights-related murders, drive-by shootings resulting in death, the use of weapons of mass destruction resulting in death, and carjackings resulting in death.
The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing occurred a few months after this law came into effect, and the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 was passed in response, which further increased the federal death penalty. In 2001, Timothy McVeigh was executed for the murder of eight federal law enforcement agents under that title.
Elimination of higher education for inmates
One of the more controversial provisions of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act overturned a section of the Higher Education Act of 1965 permitting prison inmates to receive a Pell Grant for higher education while they were incarcerated. The amendment is as follows:
(a) IN GENERAL- Section 401(b)(8) of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 1070a(b)(8)) is amended to read as follows:
(8) No basic grant shall be awarded under this subpart to any individual who is incarcerated in any Federal or State penal institution.
The VCCLEA effectively eliminated the ability of lower-income prison inmates to receive college educations during their term of imprisonment, thus ensuring the education level of most inmates remains unimproved over the period of their incarceration…
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All of the comments above are pertinent to the discussion, but we do not have discussions, what we have is attempts to manipulate portions of the population by appears to various fears.
Having taught the public, or at least a portion of it, the joy of power, Ford and Dodge sell noise to people who want to feel the power of an engine. I get that. I remember when they first started to make a generation of farm tractors that really attacked the work we were doing. It was exciting. I went to tractor pulls and felt the thrill of a turbocharger as it attacked the load. Unlike most of the people at these insurrections, I also worried at the waste of fuel in a time of shortage.
Having taught the public the joy of power inherent in shooting a powerful weapon, gun manufacturers now seek to solidify the idea that guns are themselves not harmful. I must agree that the hardware of firearms is appealing. Anyone who has not been to the rifle museum at Chickamauga National Battlefield has missed a great exhibit. It feels good to shoot a gun, and the older the better. Those who do it for fun, however, should develop the same misgivings about guns as I did about tractor pulls. There seemed something wrong with burning up fuel needlessly in a country that suffered from high energy costs.
There seems a really more serious problem with the guns than there was with the energy. It is difficult to single out tractor pulls as the most significant contributor to the energy shortages of the 1970s. It is not at all difficult to see the problem with arming citizens who have a substantial portion of the population as the object of their fear and hatred. Gun owners should see this. I believe they really do see this, but they are unwilling to refrain from their habits of going out I the back yard and pumping fifty dollars into a stump (ammo is expensive).
We have, of course, had bans on guns many times in the past. Machine gun bans during the gangster age and bans on guns during the more recent Brady Bill era come to mind. It strikes me that what is different is that the people who are wielding the guns in this modern era of mass shootings are people who look like most of the gun owners. If the ones toting the guns were different-looking or scary in some way, we would ban repeating magazines so fast their right-wings would fall off.
The other day in our local paper, a right wing mouthpiece wrote an op ed to the effect that the mainstream media was covering up the eco-terrorist side of the El Paso murderer. Not really reading much news about this incident at all, I was curious, and discovered that he was incorrect, that any of the new outlets that went into the story deeper than the epidermis of it had mentioned that his manifesto basically went through the logic of being worried that all the Hispanic migration threatened the ecosystem with overpopulation so he wanted to kill enough of them to keep them out of here. There was, of course, no coverup.
What we have is the ability of those who guide a certain portion of the country through their logic to leave out a portion of the truth so that we do not trust our fellows. What we need to destroy the right wing ability to infuse our society with unreasonable fear is association of our diverse society’s elements with each other. Where guns are concerned, gun clubs could easily bring together those who are fascinated with the power of weapons without infusing the people with fear of immigrants. Once the gun club had to own its ideology, it would renounce it. People who find joy in the power of guns could do so. People who seek to use this power to subvert rule of law would be identified by their friends and persuaded to desist personally.
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Ohio, ruled by ALEC, Fordham, and the other self-serving, gerrymandered to deny democracy.
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