James Hohmann of the Washington Post reports on the House Democrats’ plan to quote Ronald Reagan to rebuke Trump’s racism and xenophobia:
THE BIG IDEA: The four-page resolution of disapproval that the House will take up this week to condemn President Trump’s racist tweetstorm quotes at length from Ronald Reagan’s final speech in the White House.
“This, I believe, is one of the most important sources of America’s greatness: We lead the world because, unique among nations, we draw our people – our strength – from every country and every corner of the world,” Reagan said in January 1989. “And, by doing so, we continuously renew and enrich our nation. … Thanks to each wave of new arrivals to this land of opportunity, we’re a nation forever young, forever bursting with energy and new ideas, and always on the cutting edge, always leading the world to the next frontier. This quality is vital to our future as a nation. If we ever closed the door to new Americans, our leadership in the world would soon be lost.”
Thirty years later, the man who now occupies the White House tweeted that four minority lawmakers – three of whom were born in the United States – should “go back” to “the crime infested places from which they came.” A reporter asked Trump on Monday, “Does it concern you that many people find that tweet racist?”
“It doesn’t concern me because many people agree with me,” the president replied, adding that the four women “hate our country.”
House Republican leadership aides expect few of their members to defect from Trump to support the resolution of disapproval, which could come up for a vote as soon as today. It also says that Trump’s tweets “have legitimized and increased fear and hatred of new Americans and people of color.”
Trump’s targets held a news conference at the Capitol last night to respond to the president’s comments. Reps. Ayanna Pressley (Mass.), Rashida Tlaib (Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.) and Ilhan Omar (Minn.) each took turns speaking. Pressley was born in Cincinnati, Tlaib was born in Detroit, and Ocasio-Cortez was born in New York. Omar was born in Mogadishu, Somalia; her family fled the country amid civil war when she was a child, and she became a U.S. citizen as a teenager.
Ocasio-Cortez, who is of Puerto Rican descent, remembered when she was a girl and her dad brought her to the Reflecting Pool on the Mall. He told her to look around. Then he told her that the monuments she saw, and the nation they represented, belonged to her just as much as anyone else. “I want to tell children across this country,” the congresswoman said last night, “no matter what the president says, this country belongs to you, and it belongs to everyone.”
Hohmann writes that Trump’s racist tweets are intended to solidify the position of the Republican Party as the party of angry white men. He is betting that White Nationalism is a strong suit for 2020:
“Trump is proposing a giant swap: Republicans can no longer count on suburban women and we will continue to lose college-educated men and women, while we increasingly pick up working white Americans without college degrees,” said Ari Fleischer, who was a White House press secretary for President George W. Bush and who has spoken with Trump campaign advisers about their strategy for increasing turnout. “Nobody knows who will come out ahead in the swap,” he told Scherer. “That’s what the campaign will tell us.”
Teresa Hanafin, who writes the daily “Fast Forward” for the Boston Globe, wrote:
Trump’s new tack is that anyone who dares to criticize him and his policies hates America and should leave. That’s not only a scary echo of the “love it or leave it” chant that conservatives screamed at those protesting the Vietnam War; it’s also quite hypocritical.
Remember his “American Carnage” inauguration speech? It was a dark, angry, harsh, and vengeful criticism of the country, a nation he depicted as littered with starving, uneducated people wandering among rusted-out factories with needles hanging out of their arms and beset by roving gangs of criminals. No wonder that when he finished, former president George W. Bush, sitting nearby, whispered, “That was some weird s—!”
So the question is, if Trump hated the country so much, why didn’t he leave? I hear Siberia is lovely this time of year.

OMG, it’s come to this. We’re using Ronald “Black Welfare Queen” Reagan” to condemn Trump’s racism. It’s almost funny.
If it weren’t so sad, that is.
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Actually, there have been a multitude of condemnations about Trump’s clear racism. This is just another one. And frankly, I am of the opinion that using ANY words to call out racism is much better than saying that the man who spews those hateful and ugly words isn’t really racist.
What’s sad is people who claim Trump — with his many decades long racist actions and speech — should not be called out on it because having a racist President spewing hateful racist speech is now so acceptable that it is not necessary.
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It’s so entertaining when you put words in my mouth. Who said he shouldn’t be called out? Impeached is a different matter – there are very specific grounds for impeachment, and I for one think we should stick to the Constitution – wouldn’t you agree? I also don’t think we should let him be the puppetmaster jerking us around with every foul tweet and utterance. Condemn his actions, let his words flow like the diarrhea they are.
And, no, Trump isn’t personally racist. He nothing personal against people of color. Again – although I explained this already – that would require him to notice other people as people, which he doesn’t. He only notices other people to the extent they are useful to him. Said usefulness is not directly related to skin color. He personally doesn’t give a rat’s patoot whether someone is white or black or purple-polka-dotted. But what is useful is using his base’s fears and hatreds of people of color in order to manipulate them. He is a systemic racist, but not a personal one.
And where have I ever said that hateful racist speech is “acceptable”? Go ahead, I’ll wait for you to find that. Or retract it, thank you. Of course it’s not acceptable. But what good do you think you’re doing squawking every time he says/tweets something vile? All you’re doing is reinforcing him, because public reaction is what he lives for. I can’t seem to explain to you folks, but the worst possible thing you can do to a narcissist is to IGNORE HIM!!!
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I don’t understand why you continue to insist that Trump isn’t a racist. He has been conducting racist actions and remarks in the media since 1973. He is a stone-cold racist, and giving him the benefit of the doubt is disgusting.
As educators, WE MUST SPEAK OUT. ALWAYS. Kids are picking up this stuff like crazy. As educators, we are teaching the next generation. So is Trump. We have to win. We HAVE TO TEACH KIDS THAT THIS IS WRONG.
I’m sorry to go all caps, but the idea that we should “just ignore” Trump is morally repugnant to me.
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I really don’t understand how acting in a racist way is not the same as being a racist.
Trump and his dad acted as racists when they were renting apartments in Queens. Trump acted as a racist when he took out an ad in the 1980s calling for the execution of the wrongly arrested and convicted Central Park Five. Trump was a racist when he claimed he had proof of Obama’s Kenyan birth.
Trump did not have a “base” when he took all those racist actions.
Please stop putting words in my mouth. And I don’t know why you think that I was talking about you when I was talking about the far right wing Republicans who are attacking those who call out Trump and insisting that the things he says are not racist and should not be called out.
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dienne77
Then how do you explain the Central Park 5 ?
What about “shit hole countries?”
Start there to keep it simple.
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Emphatically disagree, Dienne. Again, one of the strongest of forces, in the public sphere, is social sanction, good and bad. When I was a kid, one of the most popular programs on television was The Jackie Gleason Show, and one of the recurring laugh lines in the show was when he would make a fist and say, “One day, Alice, to the moon!” In other words, the country thought that his threatening to hit is wife was freaking hilarious. This was an outward manifestation of the wife beating that was COMMON in the 1950s and early ’60s–that period about which some, now, are so nostalgic. And, when I was a kid, it was common to hear white folks–mostly men–tell horrible racist jokes at parties. Today, if such a thing were done in a television show or on social media or in most social settings, it would be immediately and deservedly shouted down. Because of the power of social sanction, it is imperative that we not let blatant sexism, racism, homophobia, ageism, and other objectifications and denigrations of the Other slide.
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Trump has received plenty of opprobrium and outcry since he started running and more-so since he was elected. How effective has that outcry been? Has his racism diminished any? Has he been quieter about it?
He’s like the Xtianists who like it when people talk back to them because it “proves” how “persecuted” they are. You can’t out-yell Trump. Whatever you yell at him, he’s going to turn to his favor – he’s a master of that. The only defense against that kind of bully is mass ignoring. Not getting the attention he’s seeking is the only thing that will derail him. Everything else makes him more powerful. Until you understand how power works, Trump will keep winning.
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He is going to be disastrously defeated in the coming election, if, that is, he survives the many, many legal issues swirling around him like Greek Furies. The moron in chief is mobilizing the Left and the decent, and he doesn’t even know it.
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You just reminded me of this Simpsons clip.
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Bob Shepherd
The Democrats elected a Socialist and a transvestite in Virginia. Not SOHO or the Village here in NY. .
Lets hope he keeps it up, maybe China “will be listening ” and pick up some dirt
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Dienne, I agree in theory that it’s best to ignore DT when possible. This is different. What message would it send to people of color, to children, to let that statement stand? Of course, his response, ” a lot of people agree with me”, was all for his base but he is personally racist too. We New Yorkers have known him for a long time.
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SO now the Dems are quoting Reagan to combat the GOP???
Are they crazy?
Reagan was a leftie compared to today’s GOP. Their quote will have no credibility . . . .
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Actually, Robert, this quote from Reagan demonstrates how far out of the GOP mainstream the Trump Party is. Republicans used to revere Reagan. Now they tremble before Trump, the ignoramus and racist.
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This country’s unraveling began with the people’s (ignorant) choice for Reagan. Look at what he did to the air traffic control union. Ironic, considering that he headed up the screen actor’s guild. Yet it was Reagan who said that SS was NEVER to be put on the table for anything.
I don’t understand, Diane, how far out of the GOP mainstream the Trump party is if the current GOP sits by and does and says virtually nothing about anything. Their complicity shows me that there is no more “mainstream” to be had, but rather, a makeover of the party that yields it as something unrecognizable to someone like Ronald Reagan.
The party may still have institutional memories of what it used to be, but these memories are now inactive, traded in for an active “passivity” in which most GOP says and does nothing in order to further their decades old agenda to turn this country into Russia, China, and Mexico combined . . . into an oligarchy with little to no middle-class and nominal power and wealth in the hands of the vast majority of people.
GOP mainstream? If it’s there in D.C., please let me know where it is. I must be blind. Time to check if I have narrow angles or floaters . . . .
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I was just thinking exactly the same thing, dienne.
Also, it reminds us (well, IMO), that the Dems are reacting in an excruciatingly underwhelming way.
Very sad, indeed.
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How should “the Dems” react? I was incredibly glad that Bernie Sanders called out Trump’s racism. To ignore when the President of the United States is attacking people who are not white and telling them to go back to their country — implying they are not real Americans — is not an answer.
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He cannot accept that they are Americans, that we are an immigrant nation. And that’s racist. It just is.
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dienne–My reply to your 3:18 PM comment somehow ended up way down there under Bob Shepherd’s 4:54 PM comment (thus, it makes no sense). Anyway, I was, in fact, in agreement as to your “OMG…that is” comment.
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Agreed. I, too read dienne’s comment as pointing out the irony in the Dems using a Reagan quote. Reagan doubled down on Nixon’s southern strategy by cloaking George Wallace hate into a kinder, fatherly disposition. Reagan was the catalyst for what is now today’s Republican party. Paul Manafort & Roger Stone both worked with Lee Atwater in Regan’s campaign strategy.
Franlky, I want the Dems to condemn Trump at ever turn for his racism- I just want them to use quotes from real civil rights heroes. Reagan’s legacy is still racist and is still toxic.
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And the notion that Trump is not personally a racist is contradicted by his entire life and by his own statements about his worldview. He subscribes to notions of inherent genetic superiority of certain peoples and has been quite clear about this. Saying that Trump is not personally racist is just, prima facie, absurd. I remember when people used to say the same of George Wallace. I can’t even imagine how you could think such a thing, Dienne. If the current occupant of the Whiter House isn’t a racist, a white supremacist, then who is? The skin-heads certainly know that he is their guy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump
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I think of what my son, whom I adopted from Guatemala, and who has heard all his life here in the South, this racist “Go back to your own country,” said when I showed him this story about Jabba the Trump’s tweet. “That racist $@&@$*@#&. Jesus, and he’s our president.”
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When my daughter and Mexican son-in-law were fleeing from a hurricane in Texas, many gas stations had signs reading, “No gas for beaners.”
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OK, Dienne, I’ll just tell my adopted daughter, who was born in Peru, and my adopted son, who was born in Guatemala, that it’s not PERSONALLY RACIST when people say to them, “Go back to your own country.” I’m sure that they will TOTALLY understand. Aie yie yie.
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Denouncing Reagan isn’t endorsing Trump. It’s a smart tactic by Democrats, using Reagan’s words against Republicans. I hate to see us devolving into Reagan versus Trump arguments, though. They both were and are horrible presidents for very different reasons. I personally think one of the worst things about Reagan was his handling of the airline strike.
Blatant, insane racism versus competently deployed trickle down policy. Choose neither. Defend the Squad and Feel the Bern.
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You hit the nail on the head. Reagan was simply far more civilized and polished with how disgusting he was.
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Antarctica. It’s their winter. Outside in a shelter like he forces asylum seekers to be in.
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This just goes to show how far our country has gone to the far right and into Libertarianism…..Trump makes Ronald Reagan look like a Democratic Socialist.
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I know. The Repugnican Limbo Party. How low, how low, how low can we go?
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They are already lying down their backs on the floor, writhing to move and laughing at the rest of us, all the way to the bank. It’s a slow but profitable excursion.
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Living black and brown voices have been loud and clear on this issue for hundreds of years. But, instead, we’ll let a dead white guy do the condemnation.
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In hopes that the deplorables will listen, at least, to him.
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Perfect point.
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Hi dienne77:
I completely agree with you that to ignore IQ 45 regarding to emphasize his racist, BUT MUST TWIST TO HIS IGNORANCE, or lack of being humanity.
We should make his credibility and GOP’s credibility go so low equally to their richness (-infinity versus +infinity) = tackle his parents’ and his current wife’s backgrounds PLUS his demeanor in his SEXUALITY’s bad appetite.
THIS WILL HELP MANY GENERATIONS TO VOTE FOR MANY UPCOMING EDUCATED AND HUMANITARIAN LEADERS regardless they can be born from America or other country but they must go through K-12 American Public Education system.
In short, those mega rich corporate kids NEVER HAVE A SLIGHTLY CHANCE to work for government jobs. Most importantly, people or official workers like Bernie or Warren do not have anything to fear for in ANY ELECTIONS.
Do not give in to others’ pressure. But remember nobody is perfect. We just need to modify each other’s ideas. May. XOXOXO
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Are you paying attention? Those voices were loud and clear and Trump specifically told them to go back to their countries!
How dare you suggest there is something wrong with the Democrats standing up for those women instead of ignoring it. How dare you suggest that all the condemnations are wrong because among the many condemnations from all quarters one happens to be a dead white guy. Are the many condemnations that we saw by Democrats that did not come from dead white guys invisible to you?
Can there ever be enough condemnations from all quarters when a sitting President has told 4 female Congresswomen to go back to their country?
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To NYC public school parent:
Here is what dienne77 wrote:””Trump has received plenty of opprobrium and outcry since he started running and more-so since he was elected. How effective has that outcry been? Has his racism diminished any? Has he been quieter about it?””
I would suggest that all academe or intellectual people will give their hands to four new elected officials and encourage them to challenge IQ 45 that
“”If IQ45 AND ALL HIS IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS= wife + children + in-law children + grand children go back to where their roots are or to Russia with Putin, then all four of them will be out of their new position in 2018.””
We guarantee that we will vote for them in better positions in 2020.
All old GOP will be disappeared and be replaced by the four of them for sure.
I hope that is a better modification. Back2basic
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May,
Sounds good!
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Back in 1968, when Kurt Vonnegut was working on Slaughterhouse-Five, he wanted to show that Billy Pilgrim’s wife was an extremely crazy, mindless reactionary, so he put a Ronald Reagan for President bumper sticker on her car. It was a big joke, back then, for few at the time thought that someone as extremist as Reagan was–a participant in the McCarthy witch hunts, someone who called Social Security a Communist plot–would be elected President. Well, fast forward a few years, and he was, in fact, elected President. But as simple as he was, Ronald Reagan, the old Cold Warrior, was capable of learning from those who knew more than he. When he learned from experts that a nuclear war with the Soviets was not winnable–that it would, in fact, be catastrophic for all life on Earth, he committed himself to detente and to the negotiations that resulted in the INF Treaty that Trump just scrapped. Unlike IQ45, Reagan, the guy who was so ignorant that he thought trees were a major source of air pollution, was, on some issues, capable of learning. Trump is not; he is an altogether new level of low.
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“Trump is not; he is an altogether new level of low.”
I dunno, I’m going to get blasted for this (again), but, no, Trump is not a new level of anything. He’s the logical outcome of everything our country is built on.
Trump didn’t conquer Native American lands, killing people with disease-infested blankets, driving them west along a “Trail of Tears” and wiping out entire indigenous cultures.
Trump didn’t own slaves and didn’t fight for the continuation of the institution of slavery under the guise of “states rights”.
Trump didn’t detain hundreds of thousands of Japanese-Americans in concentration camps, nor did he annihilate two major Japanese cities with the push of a button.
He didn’t get us mired in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. He hasn’t “regime changed” anyone (yet).
Trump is horrible, yes. But he’s mostly horrible because of the naked honesty of his horribleness. Most of our previous presidents have done all of the above and much, much more, but they’ve done so in a “diplomatic”, “statesmanlike” way that mutes and hides the horror. Trump isn’t honest about much, but at least he’s honest in terms of the nakedness of his horribleness, rather than pretending to clothe it in civil words.
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No, he just thinks that all that we need to return to in order to Make America Great Again. MAGAt.
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When Reagan announced, I said to myself, “Well, the country won’t be that stupid.” But it was. And then came Georgie Junior, and I thought, surely the country won’t elect a guy who went AWOL from his service, bankrupted several companies, never read a book, and got religion only when his wife threatened to leave him over his drunkenness and drug use. Well. . . And I thought we had plumbed the depths. But no. Here we have this mobster, this con artist, this predator, this traitor, this slimy would-be playboy, this demented narcissist in the highest office of the land, embarrassing us daily on the world stage and spewing from the Whiter House stuff we would never want our children to hear.
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Begging the question of what comes next. Trump will almost certainly look like an aberration in the very short term, because he is an . . . unique personality, shall we say. But there is that trendline. Hard not to envision President Camacho from Idiocracy.
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Well, FLERP, that would, indeed, be the continuation of the trend line, but I think we’re in the middle of a phase transition. Trump is our mad Emperor Commodus. Things are about to change, and the Repugnicans sense this, and they are very, very worried.
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Wow talk about completely normalizing Trump’s behavior.
Why condemn Hitler when other German leaders in the previous 200 years were also pretty bad? Why not just realize that Hitler isn’t nearly so bad. Until he was so bad.
Trump is horrible and should be condemned. Period.
What is the downside of condemning Trump? His followers get riled up at us? Do we care?
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Bob Shepherd,
We did not hear enough condemnation of Reagan and the Bushes. Why would we want to make the same mistake again and not condemn Trump?
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Our resident, deluded, ignorant commentator has really packed in a whole lot of nonsensical tripe into this post. But this one takes the cake. Individual-1 also didn’t kidnap the Lindbergh baby, commit cannibalism, nor did he assassinate Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, or John F. Kennedy. But what the hell does that have to do with the current occupant of the White House? This whataboutism truly is the retreat of one who has no knowledge or coherent arguments to make. This individual is a perfect example of the old joke about why one shouldn’t try to teach a pig to talk. It frustrates the teacher and annoys the pig.
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To dienne77:
Ah! You are so young and so wrong about what you wrote in this post.
Japan got what it deserved and their citizens had suffered from their bad leader after WWII.
In other words, similarly, Trump will be multiple horrendous to all Americans regardless being stupid or intellectual.
The mot suffering will be the mega rich, next will be all supreme intelligent BUT NAIVE, and finally all upper middle class’s children.
We are nothing to suffer or to enjoy. We are always only servants. We must serve authorities because they always need our service from cooking, clean up and entertainment. May.
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May,
Not sure I agree with all your sentiments here.
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Dienne et al,
I think Trump is both a culmination of American’s sinful history and a current symptom of how so many of its people have evolved politically and perceptively over generations.
Divde and conquer has worked brilliantly in this country, unless you’re smart enough . . . .
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But here’s the real rub…..Reagan’s speech wasn’t written by Reagan. Reagan was an actor and he was very good at delivering a script. His speech writer was an Armenian-American (immigrant) and that’s why we got that wonderful speech. It wasn’t how Reagan felt….it was how is speechwriter felt. Trump has Miller doing the word crafting and he is probably worse than Trump himself.
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yup
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Are you suggesting that Miller is with Trump at those times he is tweeting? It seems as if Trump is sitting alone watching Fox News and lets his inner thoughts rip.
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The point is well made about the tweets, but not about Trump’s publically made, scripted racist comments and policies. Miller is the Propaganda Minister of this misadministration. He’s the one who provides the cover–the arguments, such as they are–to bolster the racism. The irony there, given Miller’s family history, is breathtaking.
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I tend to believe that Miller “instructs” during business hours but Trump is solo tweeting after business hours. I don’t Tweet….so I don’t know (or want to know) anything about it. I think both of them are awful to the core, but Miller is at least an educated and sly kind of awful….Trump not so smart.
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Kellyanne Conway.
Sharp as a tack stuck in a rock.
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Pelosi: Do your job.
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It seems as if the 4 progressive Congresswomen who were the objects of Trump’s attacks now believe Trump should be impeached.
But meanwhile, other progressives saying oh just ignore Trump and he hasn’t done anything impeachable.
I can see why Pelosi is between a rock and a hard place. I suspect if you polled the people who post here you would find a lot of disagreement about whether to impeach Trump or not.
Some progressives still believe that the Mueller report totally exonerated Trump!
Poor Pelosi. I don’t envy her. I would certainly support impeaching Trump. But I also understand the reasons why it may not be the best action to take.
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If the Dems won’t stand for this, what will they stand for? Nothing.
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Pelosi is certainly between a rock and a hard place. The Squad has her cornered and she’s stuck…..check mate! If Pelosi starts talking Impeachment hearings, she will have to give up a large majority of the Democratic party for playing the same dirty and greedy games as the Republican party (Pelosi included). Ever wonder how these politicians get so rich once they get elected?…I know they start out wealthier than us common folk, but once they get elected, their wealth just sky rockets. Both sides are dirty and it’s time for a change….Feel the Bern!!!
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This afternoonI watched Pelosi lead the House effort to condemn Trump. She was well prepared on the logistics. Her written text was filed before she spoke which cut off some moves Republicans wanted to make.
Sure enough a Georgia republican called for her remarks to be removed from the record, no publication.
After several other exchanges. the fellow with the gavel said, all you all want to do if fight. He said “I am vacating.” He put his gavel down and left.
After a long huddle by parliamentarians a substitute picked up the gavel. He said there was a precedent for removing Pelosi’s remarks from the (Congressional) record.
A democrat called for a vote to overturn that opinion. That process took an hour with 4 Republicans siding with the Democrats.
The House finished a second round of voting in support of Pelosi’s original statement about a half an hour ago. The same result–only 4 Republicans having the spine to join Pelosi and the Democrats in condemning Trump.
Meanwhile, Trump was Tweeting about the socialists trying to take over the country and the rest.
Pelosi did her job.
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Oh, I do so agree, Bob. This post is exactly why I said the Dems are acting in “an excruciatingly underwhelming way.” (NO, NYCPSP, I am not talking about Bernie or any of those Dems considered Progressives).
Pointing a finger at IQ45 & calling him out using Ronald Reagan’s (???) words to do so…oy vey is meir (Yiddish for REALLY bad).
& as I type this, VICE News is on, interviewing women who voted for IQ45 (& say they will probably do so again). There were “Women for Trump” at a rally, urging people to “get on the Trump Train,” yelling, “Choo-choo!” & making locomotion movements…
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retiredbutmissthekids,
So you agree with AOC and the other women that Pelosi should immediately start impeachment proceedings?
Honestly, you are nitpicking yourself. The Dems have called Trump out in various ways and using Reagan’s words are just one more way. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
For the record, should Pelosi immediately call to impeach Trump or not? Just trying to get a handle on why you are so critical since some people are insisting that the Dems totally ignore this and others are angry that Trump hasn’t already been impeached and blame Pelosi for that.
Impeach or not impeach?
I truly do not understand why you care that Vice News found some women like Kellyanne Conway who adore Trump. So what? Those women don’t care about Trump’s racism and ugliness. We should.
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Just read a long article suggesting that interviews with other real hedge fund managers in New York suggest that Epstein wasn’t actually doing that. The suggestion is that he was using his activities to blackmail wealthy, powerful clients into letting him manage their money and then putting it into safe investments–index funds or treasuries or something.
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I think, retired, that someone misread your comments. And yes, a “Donald, go to your room” isn’t sufficient. I repeat what I said above: Speaker Pelosi, do your job. This man is a serial sexual predator, a traitor who colluded with another country to compromise an election, a racist, a child abuser, and a money launderer for mobsters. He has denied people their legal right to seek asylum. He endangers his country and the world by continuing to deny basic science. He suffers from extremely compromised cognitive capacity. He is emotionally unstable. He is clearly unfit to continue to hold this office.
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Kathleen Parker in the Wash Post says thatTrump’s tweets are meant to distract us from Jeffrey Epstein. She links to a story in the New York Times about their close friendship. ESP the party he once gave where it was just the two of them and a large number of teenage Girls.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-tweets-are-a-distraction-for-something-else-he-doesnt-want-us-to-see/2019/07/16/4274a34c-a811-11e9-9214-246e594de5d5_story.html
If you can open this, read it.
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The fab 4 are doing their job!
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Pelosi will not do her job because she does not have the values we hold. She is a very, very liberal conservative. She is socially liberal and economically plutocratic. For someone how owns a home on the S.F. Bay worth among millions of dollars, she cannot and will not empathize with the average working class person, who has been mostly abandoned with a capital “A” by the DNC.
That’s the way it is until it changes, until we change ourselves.
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Pelosi is 79 years old. She can’t live forever.
Who has the worst health and will croak first: Trump (73), McConnel (77), or Pelosi (79)?
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Apparently this is an actual rule in the House:
Something tells me there’s an interesting history behind that rule.
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My two minute read of the House rules suggests that the rule is ultimately rooted in Parliamentary rules of order: In Parliament, to speak irreverently or seditiously against the King is against order. Smyth’s Comw., L. 2, c. 3; 2 Hats., 170.
Interesting stuff starting on page 187.
Click to access HMAN-115.pdf
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Fascinating, FLERP! This document also says that “It is not in order to call the President a ‘liar’’ or accuse such person of ‘lying'” and not acceptable “to cast aspersions on the ethical behavior of the Presi-dent.” It also says that it is “unparliamentary” to “accuse the President of a crime.” It’s hard to imagine, under this rule, how one might characterize any statement or behavior on the part of Don the Con, and it’s impossible to imagine how one might, in the House debate impeachment proceedings without doing these things. I’m sure that Mr. Barr would heartily approve of these rules. The KING may do wrong, but it is forbidden to call him on it.
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There are several paragraphs of notes after each rule. My uneducated reading of those notes are they they are a list of the times that someone has moved to find a statement out of order under the rule (or possibly a list of times the House has ruled the statement is out of order).
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Ah, I see, the document does say that wide latitude is allowed in debate related to impeachment proceedings.
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Makes sense.
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Beware: This is all from Fox News.
Fox News is told Collins used House Rule XXII, Clause 1(B). That rule requires that remarks on the floor “be confined to the question under debate, avoiding personality.”
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Hoyer eventually ruled that, based on the precedent “of May 15, 1984,” Pelosi’s language did not meet the standard.
The precedent came after Republican Newt Gingrich, then a Georgia congressman, sparred with then-House Speaker Tip O’Neill, a Massachusetts Democrat. O’Neill remarked: “My personal opinion is this: You deliberately stood in that well before an empty House and challenged these people, and you challenged their Americanism, and it is the lowest thing I have ever seen in my thirty-two years in Congress.”
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The parliamentarian determined at the time that the speaker’s use of the word “lowest” amounted to inappropriate language, and O’Neill’s words were taken down.
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“Hoyer eventually ruled that, based on the precedent “of May 15, 1984,” Pelosi’s language did not meet the standard.”
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The precedent came after Republican Newt Gingrich, then a Georgia congressman, sparred with then-House Speaker Tip O’Neill, a Massachusetts Democrat. O’Neill remarked: “My personal opinion is this: You deliberately stood in that well before an empty House and challenged these people, and you challenged their Americanism, and it is the lowest thing I have ever seen in my thirty-two years in Congress.”We
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Something is stuck in moderation.
So here’s the link:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/house-floor-fight-pelosi-collins-condemn-trump-tweets.amp
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And, Diane, A+ for your concluding statement, above.
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Only 4 Republicans support the House condemnation!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1743579001
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The text of the House resolution: https://www.scribd.com/document/417621042/Resolution-by-House-Dems-on-Trump
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Andrew Anglin, founder of the Neo-nazi online newspaperThe Daily Stormer, on Trump’s tweet: “This is the kind of WHITE NATIONALISM we elected him for. And we’re obviously seeing it only because there’s another election coming up. But I’ll tell you, even knowing that, it still feels so good.”
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That’s important news!
https://www.adl.org/blog/white-supremacists-extremists-celebrate-president-trumps-latest-racist-tweets
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I don’t think Trump would find even one country that would want to take him, not even North Korea. Wherever Trump ends up, he’d just be trouble for that country, too.
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For all the suggestions to ignore him, blow off his fear mongering abusive attacks – – –
That is what our veteran (and actually bright and respected although ultra conservative) GOP Senator says – often. He just “focuses on the issues.”
Well, that may work for some of the presidents antics – but calling Congresswomen terrorists, not negotiating nuclear weapons based on his fixation on President Obama, and the list goes on are not antics. They’re repulsive
When Senators tell the country – “yeh, it’s bad – but just ignore it” – well, I expect they said they same thing about Hitler, Putin, and others in the early days.
Any Senator with an ounce of integrity and conscience and soul should be screaming from the mountaintop “stop it or resign” and no educator with the same should be enabling him with “oh, just ignore it.”
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I am really getting sick and tired of Democrats (usually centrist Democrats) getting misty eyed and waxing eloquent about “saint” Reagan. Reagan, the anti-iunion union buster who bloviated about Cadillac driving welfare queens and who made a speech in 1980: From wikipedia –
As part of his 1980 presidential campaign, Ronald Reagan made an appearance at the Neshoba County Fair where he gave a speech on August 3, 1980. Critics claim that Reagan’s choice of location for the speech (the fairgrounds were about 7 miles from Philadelphia, Mississippi, a town associated with the murders of Chaney, Goodman, and Schwerner in 1964) was evidence of racial bias.
During his speech, Reagan said:[1]
I still believe the answer to any problem lies with the people. I believe in states’ rights. I believe in people doing as much as they can for themselves at the community level and at the private level, and I believe we’ve distorted the balance of our government today by giving powers that were never intended in the Constitution to that federal establishment. end quote
The Bitburg controversy.
Not to mention that Reagan actively campaigned against Medicare and Medicaid in the 1960s because HE SAID that it would lead to a loss of freedom and s o c i a l i s m!
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Why am I not HEARING this on MSM or anywhere????
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It’s not Democrats “getting misty eyed and waxing eloquent about ‘saint’ Reagan.” It’s Democrats pointing out that the patron saint of modern Republicanism made this statement, which directly counters the rhetoric and behavior of a so-called president they will support unconditionally. It underscores the many hypocrisies of Republicans when they cynically reject something their icon said. This does not in any way negate or diminish the rest of the accurate history about Reagan you cite in your rant.
Analogous to this, the patron saint of the modern Democratic Party is FDR. Yet many Democrats dismiss the Four Freedoms as ancient history as they slavishly follow corporate dicta to get cash, favors or jobs. When Democrats reject, ignore or minimize FDR and the Four Freedoms, they become so-called Democrats and they should be smoked out and understood to be what they are—which is not a Democrat in any way.
Politics needs effective rhetoric to outline principles. Responsible governing needs rhetorical consistency in order to be understood for what it really is or is not.
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Those misty-eyed alleged “centrist Democrats” stopped being Democrats before or when Reagan was president. They switched to the Republican Party where they remain today.
Let us not forget that the Democratic Party and Republican Party switched places during the Reagan era. Before Reagan, most if not all of the hardcore racists and KKK members were Democrats.
After Reagan, those former Democrats had all moved to the GOP. Reagan started to seduce and recruit them at a time when Democrats like JFK and LBJ were supporting the Civil Right’s movement.
Before Reagon, most of the states that are now controlled the Republican Party were hardcore Democratic states.
The question is, how may Republicans left the GOP because of that and became Democrats to escape all the Reagan racists?
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I have sent 2 days Listening to the wrong conversation.. the one attacking True as a racist…something we ll have known for ever.
What I do not hear –or maybe I missed it as I deal with the chaos in my life as my husband descends deeper into Alzheimer’s dementia— is that these remarks were directed at Congresspeople… whose job it is to correct those problems that hurt their constituents. It is pure and simple McCarthyism for anyone to characterize these lawmakers, elected by the people, in such a way.
When listening to the top Executive of the US, talking to members of our Congress in such derogatory terms, -I don’t think of Regan, or anyone but McCarthy– his favorite accusation was ‘communist.”
Trumps words were not merely ‘remarks.’
They were not merely insults.
THIS twitter tirade was different.
He was accusing these members of disloyalty to our country, characterizing their complaints and honest conversations in a way that shouts: McCARTHY.
Why am I not hiring that?
Because the MSM is accustomed of pushing sensationalism, and not truth.
And the people who SHOULD grasp what these despicable tweets actually demonstrate about the lunatic in the White House, need to start the conversation as to how he has crossed the line.
Calling Biden Lazy Joe,and Warren Pohcahontas is not the same as this.
We may be accustomed to his disrespect as he uses Twitter for his own malignant purposes…. THIS IS DIFFERENT!
But then, what do I know!
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You are exactly right, Susan Lee Schwartz.
& I am so sorry about your husband; many thoughts & prayers to you & your family.
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Yes, Susan, but the Pocahontas comment, that was racist too. Strength to you in this difficult time, Susan.
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So sorry about your husband, Susan!
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1030611
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Impeachment resolution. Full Text.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/mc-connell-says-trump-is-not-a-racist-and-calls-for-washington-to-tone-down-rhetoric-201808308.html
McConnell said the “political rhetoric has really gotten way, way overheated all across the political spectrum,” then directed his criticisms at Democrats. “We’ve seen the far left throw accusations of racism at everyone, anyone who disagrees with them on anything, including the speaker of the House,” he said.
When asked if he would consider it a racist attack if his wife, Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao — who is a naturalized citizen — was told to go back to her native country of Taiwan, McConnell dodged the question by noting that his wife came to the country “at age 8, legally, not speaking a word of English and has realized the American dream.”
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Then he and most of his party got in their ship and returned to Mars.
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Akademos, I’m tired (probably dopey!)–it’s late & we all should be asleep for yet another big day of making comments on Diane’s numerous posts.
That having been said, just finished watching my favorite music video/son, Don’t Stop Me Now by Queen, & one line Freddie Mercury sings: “I’m a rocket ship on my way to Mars.”
That having been said, I share your sentiments (in a silly, sleepy way).
Good night, & have a pleasant today, all.
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Off topic but, interesting.
Crain’s New York Business reported, “A Harlem charter school submitted materials to the State University of New York associating Mark Epstein’s OSSA Properties with Jeffrey Epstein’s JEpstein & Co.” Crain adds more info. in the article.
Mark has pledged $100 mil. for Jeffrey’s bail. He accounts for the link between OSSA and Epstein & Co. as a mistake.
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A board member of Harlem Link Charter School (co-located with a public school) was formerly with the Wexner Investment Co. From the Harlem Link site, “The co-founders evolved their education philosophy at Bank Street College’s Teacher Recruitment Initiative, a 3 year partnership between Bank Street and TFA.”
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Astonishing that Bank Street College of Education, renowned for its work in early childhood education, would have a partnership with TFA, renowned for disregarding teacher education.
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Critics describe the worst decisions made for Cooper’s Union as those of Mark Epstein as Board Chair. Wikipedia describes the “Cooper Union Financial Crisis”.
Two out of two sons- a family’s failure.
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Off topic but the Trump administration plans to fire 75% of the USDA scientists today (well Tue July 16 at midnight) and plans to move it’s research branches to Kansas City. They are taking scientific info far away from Congress. Proximity to Congress is key for influence.
The USDA is all about science & keeping our food supply safe. The Trump administration gave the staff until midnight last night to decide if they will move to Kansas.
It’s the Trump administration’s way to sideline science & assault the agency. 50 years of institutional knowledge destroyed by Republicans.
The same thing is supposed to happen to the Bureau of Land management. This is how agencies get destroyed by Republican rule. Bush started destroying regulatory agencies and Trump is burning them to the ground.
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Kansas, the Koch’s colony.
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Koch’s Kansas Kolony.
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Maybe there well be a new meat label: “Formerly USDA Certified.” But don’t worry, private industry will take care of the research and let us know exactly what it wants us to know.
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To whom it may concern:
I am a normal refugee from an unfortunate country Southern VIET NAM. I arrived to Canada in 1979. For the past 40 years+, I only achieved two diplomas, 1 degree and many online certificates and many mini 6 months diploma courses.
Yes I have worked immediately and went to 6 months ESL full-time in the evening sponsored by Canadian government. I had continuously worked 1 full-time job to support myself plus two part-time jobs to support me in College and University when the recession was in 1995 and I was lay off after 10 years hard working.
In short, I have learned that all Americans and Canadians are very generous through my 30 + YEARS OF learning and working. Since I had the first stroke in 2010, I recognize that all new waves of North Americans Immigrants from South Asia like VN, Main Land China, India, Afghanistan, PLUS Poland, Russia, Slovakia… They are very materialistic and politics, NOT HARD WORKING AT ALL.!!!
I have heard so many demands of support like housing, food stamp, bus stamp, and child care subsidy…
Churches are the main culprit to ask the middle class and hard workers to donate more money for those immigrants who abuse their status and harm innocent children in the country where the majority of citizens open arms and heart to give their hands. I am speechless to criticize all ignorant immigrants and all greedy authorities together to create chaos that we suffer today. Back2basic
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If you recall the time when Reagan made that statement, it occurred when a lot of immigrants had been coming here from Communist countries, such as those in Eastern Europe and Cuba, with many more to follow after the Berlin Wall came down, and virtually all of them became Republicans. So, it was to the GOP’s advantage to embrace immigrants then.
I know because I worked with MANY of those immigrants and based on a lot of discussions i had with them, it was clear to me they got hoodwinked into believing that Republicans were on their side, which was strongly influenced by the GOP having been the party of Lincoln. Numerous times I heard the Lincoln excuse, from those who had become naturalized citizens, for their voting GOP & supporting Reagan et al. Many were educated people and try as I might, I could not get them to understand how the parties had changed dramatically since Lincoln.
Those immigrants saw themselves as aligning with the party that was against big government, not comprehending how fundamentally tied to big business (and white men) the GOP already was then. They could not comprehend that it was Democrats who most represented labor unions, as well as non-organized workers, and historically marginalized groups, even when FDR was at the helm. That’s because Republicans labeled the Democrats “socialists,” which the immigrants saw as being the same as the dreaded Communists. The GOP still does that now, and aims to undo what FDR and other Democrats accomplished. They’ve gotten a lot of traction out of scaring people into thinking Democrats are the bad guys –long after Bill Clinton turned Democrats away from their base and that party became just as tied to big business (and white guys) as the GOP, while occasionally throwing a bone to under-represented groups.
Now that the Koch brothers have made the very unusual move of turning to Democrats, what are the chances the people will recognize and fiercely reject the hold billionaires in both parties have on our government? Maybe that’s an intolerable hope, but it’s also a necessary one, I think.
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There really is no question: Trump is a racist. He has a long history of it. He RAN on it, and won the Republican nomination, and with lots of Russian help, “won” the 2016 election.
But make no mistake: the Republican party is now racist to the core too. House Republicans (except for a few) voted overwhelmingly to endorse Trump’s bigotry and bullying.
I sometimes wonder just how inept Democratic leaders are. I often think they are every bit as inept and clueless as many so-called education “leaders” are….you know, the very same “leaders” who took money from Bill Gates and signed on to Common Core and STEM and Advanced Placement and SAT prep.
I’ve said this again and again…we need a country – a citizenry – that believes in and is committed to the core values of American democracy: popular sovereignty, equality, justice, tolerance, freedoms for all citizens, and promoting the general welfare.
Democrats should be openly and vigorously lauding and promoting these values. Public schools should have them at the very center of the curriculum and teaching. It’s pretty clear that we need them, desperately.
Trump and the Republican party represent clear and present dangers to the Constitution and the Republic. Republicans detest democratic governance, which is why they keep trying to suppress voting, and why conservative judges hate – and gutted – the Voting Rights Act. They do not like equality, which is why they do whatever they can to diminish minority and women’s rights. We witnessed Trump and Republicans overtly obstructing justice. And their tax cuts — geared to the corporate elite and the rich — pile up deficits and debt, do little to nothing to promote economic growth and prosperity, and pass the bill on to everybody else.
As the Ben Franklin story goes, when asked what kind of government the Founders had constructed, Franklin answered, “A republic, madam, if you can keep it.”
We’re about to find out what kind of country we really are, and whether or not we can keep the republic intact.
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Here’s how Robert Kagan — no “bleeding-heart liberal” –put in The Post a couple of days back:
“Trump has forced us all to take a position on what kind of America this is going to be…Is it a white Christian nationalism in which immigrants of color or other religions are not really Americans and can be told to ‘go back’ to their ancestral lands? Or is it the nationalism based on the liberal Enlightenment principles of equality before the law, the inviolable rights of the individual against the state and the conviction that all citizens — regardless of religion, ethnicity or ancestral roots and the timing of their arrival — are equally American?…White nationalism was never just a fringe phenomenon, and it isn’t today…Trump has given us a binary choice: Either stand with American principles, or equivocate, which means standing with Trump and white nationalism…The essence of our nation is at stake.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-are-all-the-squad-now/2019/07/16/e319ffe8-a7eb-11e9-9214-246e594de5d5_story.html?utm_term=.c6eaf784ed1a
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To democracy:
Please forgive me to say this. WE MUST BE SORRY for all the BAD and RICH corporate
immediate family members and relatives plus their associates.
One day I am not positively sure when that any natural disaster(s) will visit them on airplane (go to other country for vacation).
train (pleasure),
automotive (electric cars),
boats (luxury pleasure), or
land (cottages). very sad indeed.
I truly feel sad for the BAD people who suffer the consequences. We cannot help them because they are very rich but everyone love to see them in the fall.
There are so many possible accidents that they create to others, but little they understand
that those accidents will visit them regardless the security they well plan. Back2basic
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