Politico reports:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/24/ross-government-shutdown-food-banks-1122842
Wilbur Ross is a billionaire. He says that missing a paycheck or two is no big deal. Not for him, it isn’t.
White House Trump aides set off furor with out-of-touch shutdown remarks
One of President Donald Trump’s top aides likened the shutdown to a “vacation.” Another called it a “glitch.” And on Thursday, Democratic leaders pounced after Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said he didn’t “really quite understand why” unpaid federal workers are going to food banks.
As the government shutdown stretched into its 34th day and as roughly 800,000 federal workers are bracing for their second missed paycheck, the White House is facing an intensifying backlash over seemingly out-of-touch comments from Trump’s group of largely wealthy advisers.
The comments are also handing Democrats leverage as party leaders and Trump have failed to reach a compromise on the president’s demand for $5.7 billion in border wall funding.
One of the latest missteps came on Thursday when Ross went on CNBC to encourage federal workers to seek low-interest loans to tide them over, and appeared to minimize the shutdown’s toll on thousands of workers who live paycheck to paycheck.
“These are basically government-guaranteed loans because the government has committed, these folks will get back pay once this whole thing gets settled down,” Ross said. “So there is really not a good excuse why there really should be a liquidity crisis now.”
“Now true, the people might have to pay a little bit of interest, but the idea that it’s paycheck or zero is not a really valid idea,” he continued.
Federal employees have reported going to homeless shelters to find food for their families, but when asked on Thursday about the desperate measures, Ross replied: “Well, I know they are, and I don’t really quite understand why.” Ross argued with loans backed by the guaranteed back pay, federal workers should be able to find the money to carry them through the shutdown.
Regardless of the individual cost on federal employees, Ross said the shutdown won’t be too damaging for the country’s image or economy. “You’re talking about 800,000 workers and while I feel sorry for the individuals that have hardship cases, 800,000 workers, if they never got their pay — which is not the case, they will eventually get it, but if they never got it, you’re talking about a third of a percent on GDP so it’s not like it’s a gigantic number overall,” he said.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi quickly pounced on the comments, characterizing them as a “let-them-eat-cake attitude….”
Some of the president’s allies have started privately worrying that the seemingly callous comments reinforce the perception that the president and his team of wealthy advisers are out of touch with the public.
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My rant button is on. Trump just got the media to focus on him while Pelosi was she was offering listeners in Congress examples of the harm the shutdown has brought to many. Meanwhile, Trump’s mouth, disconnected from and logic in his brain, voiced more of the same of his original vents about “criminals pouring over our border.” He also said local people were helping the people without pay checks, because the banks, grocers, and so on knew them and were pitching in. He was enjoying playing everyone in the media. His word salad and bizarre mean spirited mindset was on full display. He, and the Republicans who are allowing this sham to continue, are the nation’s major security risk.
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I just received a petition from my Representative Pete Visclosky [D-IN]. McTurtle is the problem in the Senate.
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The U.S House of Representatives and the House Appropriations Committee, of which I am a member, have passed legislation to reopen the government numerous times.
This week, the House yet again passed compromise versions of the appropriations legislation that the House and Senate have both agreed to. It is time for an agreement that will end the government shutdown now!
Enough is enough. Join me in demanding that the Senate follow the lead of the House and approve legislation to reopen the government.
SIGN ON
The government shutdown is not just bad politics — it is hurting the American people.
Food inspections are being delayed, trade investigations at the International Trade Commission are halted, and 42,000 members of our Coast Guard and our airport safety and border personnel don’t know when they will get their next paycheck.
It is past time to end this reckless partisanship. Sign on with me today to end the government shutdown!
Sincerely,
Pete Visclosky
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Chris Cuomo broke this down well.
But I think Trump is far more than just out of touch. There is malice, stupidity and outlandish narcissism in the mix.
https://www.dailylocal.com/news/national/cuomo-responds-to-trump-s-rhyme-with-one-of-his/video_2bd4f067-097e-5ced-80a1-116528ec7001.html
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Every time, many times actually, when Trump went almost bankrupt thanks to being a failed honest businessman (I think he was honest at one time but I could be wrong), his corrupt and racist father bailed him out.
And Trump a true success story, kept picking himself out and trying to succeed. And he did. He learned from his mistakes and discovered he’d never win unless he was a liar, a crook, and a fraud. So he became a successful criminal.
Maybe it just took him six bankruptcies that cost banks and partners almost one billion dollars for Trump to learn how to be a successful crook.
“Trump’s One Weird Trick to Getting Rich, Revealed!: “Outright Fraud,” Deceptive Tax Schemes, and a Lifetime Allowance from Daddy”
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/10/donald-trump-fred-trump-taxes
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This really exposes so much more than the shutdown. Here are 800,000 federal workers without paychecks, but they still have health insurance. People are coming out of the proverbial woodwork to feed them and provide others services. But it exposes how literally tens of millions of Americans are on the precipice of disaster. Even those with health insurance are facing bankruptcy when they or their loved ones are diagnosed with catastrophic diseases or have unexpected accidents (but I repeat myself, haven’t seen an expected accident in my life).
My fear, once this shutdown comes to an end, whether it be tomorrow or three months from now, is that the tens of millions will continue to be ignored and marginalized. This is a real teaching moment for our society. I fear the lessons will be forgotten very quickly once it is over. Where is the outpouring for the people who have to deal with this day-in, day-out who are not federal employees? We do have a tiered society. The rich are on the top. Then comes the ever-shrinking middle class. Veterans are certainly on a different plane than the rest of our population; their healthcare, pensions, and other pandering programs put them ahead of the rest of us. In the meantime, the vast majority of keep falling back. Where is the concern for them? Where is the tax code that could make a difference?
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I live right outside of DC and I know many families that are in dire circumstances right now. My husband used to work for the Fed Gov’t before retiring a few months ago. He was furloughed several times and we were fortunate that it didn’t last very long and that we had reserves. I hate to say this, but Trump’s “base” will continue to defend him until they are directly affected by this. These are the same people who talk about the lazy government workers and how gov’t workers have such great benefits and retirement for doing no work. I’m sorry, but they don’t know just how much the government does for ALL the American people. As much as I want this to end and for my friends to be able to go to work and collect a paycheck, I really would like for a lot of the gov’t haters to feel the pinch. I know that’s wrong, but nothing will change until they have to deal with the ramifications of a crazy man running our country into the ground.
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I’m with you Lisa. I hope you didn’t interpret my remarks as a denigration of federal workers. My intent was to underscore how they are canaries in the coal mines. As you well know, federal workers, when they get paid, are generally in better shape than most Americans (less the cost of living for those in the DC area). This is a telling example of how fragile our nation is. The concentrated wealth endangers us all.
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No, I didn’t interpret your remarks as denigration. I will say that my husband stayed working at the Fed Gov’t because of the many benefits, but he was never paid what the gov’t contractors in the area were being paid. We were never greedy, so the choice was to stay in a stable job with decent benefits and enjoy the time with our children (contractors typically work 50-70 hr work weeks in this area). Now, with the climate the way it is and our children in HS, he decided to retire and go and work for a contractor….for the extra money on top of retirement benefits. We have 2 kids to put through college (even though we saved for this). It just really irks me when I hear people talking about gov’t workers like they do no work. Yes, the gov’t is a bloated machine and there are some people who like to show up for a check, but don’t do much work…but that is the case in any job situation. We have friends who both work for the Fed gov’t and they are really screwed…try having to get your spare money/savings out of the benefits of working for the gov’t (stocks/bonds, special savings accounts etc)….and all of this with the OPM (office of personnel mgt) on furlough. All I have to say is that the traffic in the area is tolerable for once.
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“It just really irks me when I hear people talking about gov’t workers like they do no work.” I rise to join the irk of my esteemed friend.
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Lisa, I think slams on fed workers, just like slams on teachers, are about jealousy, for the perceived relative job security compared to private sector. Then they (the insulters) get doubly peeved, because “I’m paying their salary.”
Probably accounts for much anti-union talk as well. All these sentiments are easy for conservative elites to stir up now that wkg/mid-class job security is shredded. And so handy for keeping their eye off the ball.
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Point well taken. The Cuomo clip Akademos posted above illustrates that mid/ lower-mid class workers with health ins– but without paychecks– cannot afford co-pays for their kids’ asthma meds let alone cancer treatments and still cover food/ rent. Which tells you, even when they’re getting their paychecks, they’re insecure– close to the brink. Today, working, lower-mid & mid class status lack the key ingredient that defined them 50 yrs ago: financial security.
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I just had an outing with a gov’t employee so that I could purchase supplies for her for a sewing project I need to have done (she has time but no money) . She was just informed she has no dental insurance because at open enrollment she switched plans (to start in Jan), but the gov’t isn’t paying for the coverage due to the shut down. She can’t afford to go to the Dr. or to take her child, because the healthcare benefits have been stripped down since the last big shutdown and the deductibles are much higher before one can even start to use just the copay. She considers herself lucky that her parents are able to help her out and lend her some money. She couldn’t get a loan if she tried because OPM isn’t open to supply the bank with the necessary documentation of employment and wages. She is a single mother. Oh yes…..but she is having one heck of a “vacation” on the government’s dime (SMH!!!) because she will get all that back pay and didn’t have to work for it.
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The New York Times today reported that the secretary of state had this to say about the Venezuelan government:
“His regime is morally bankrupt, it’s economically incompetent, and it is profoundly corrupt, and it is undemocratic to the core,” Mr. Pompeo told a meeting of the 35-member Organization of American States in Washington.”
Doesn’t this sound VERY familiar? Venezuela and the US are now competing for third world status.
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As opposed to our great ally, Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia, that paragon of liberty, freedom, justice and democracy. S.A. is probably much less democratic than Venezuela but a lot richer.
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Joe: I once was in a plane that had to make a passenger stop in Saudi Arabia. I was wearing a tee shirt and a pair of capri pants. I was frightened to be in a plane knowing full well that if I were on the ground I’d be put in prison. I had way too much of my face, arms, legs and body showing.
Trump’s buddy MbS is jailing or killing journalists and protests aren’t allowed. Women who protest are risking their lives and are being brutalized in prisons. What a great friend we have in Saudi Arabia. Oil buys strange friendships.
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Saudi Arabia doesn’t even have a hint of democracy in its government. Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy where the King is both the head of state and government.
Venezuela is still enough of a representative republic that they can debate things like who the president is in Venezuela today. In Saudi Arabia if someone stood up in public and challenged the king, he/she’d be beheaded.
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I lived in Saudi Arabia for one year. The nation is an Islamic Kingdom. The King rules by divine right. The nation has Islamic Sharia law.
The royal family can order executions either in the country, or abroad. The king is the commander-in-chief of the Saudi military and security forces, and defender of the faith and nation.
The USA has a close and intimate relationship with the Kingdom, and it is not solely because of the petroleum reserves. Saudi is a security and military ally.
We cooperate with the Kingdom on insuring political stability in the MidEast. We keep intelligence gathering operations in the Kingdom, for many reasons, including monitoring the nuclear weapons activities in Iran.
The USA has close diplomatic and military alliances with many nations, this does not necessarily mean, that we approve of their governments nor of the actions of their governments.
The USA maintained many close relationships with unsavory nations during the cold war. It meant supporting some dictators, to keep the free world free. We were in bed with Somoza in Nicaragua, the Shah of Iran, Tshombe in the Congo, etc.
It is called “realpolitik” get used to it.
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@carolmalaysia: I was an engineer at the King Khalid International Airport in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Foreign women are not arrested at the airport, for showing too much skin. Islamic Sharia law mandates that women “dress modestly”, and that is open to interpretation. If you had had to de-plane, you would have been loaned an abayya (drape), to cover yourself. You would not have been arrested.
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Charles: Thank you for the information.
I did visit a museum in Iran and had to borrow an “abayya (drape), to cover” myself. I was wearing a traditional Indian garb that had long sleeves and baggie pants. I wasn’t covered up enough.
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Charles, my history is weak, but I believe our chumminess with unsavory dictatorships dates to well before the cold war– perhaps as far back as to when we became a major trading power. My understanding is that industry always supported dictatorships (& worked to undermine popular rebellion) because we could ensure predictable trade flow in exchange for $ support of those elites. What is relatively new is supporting democracies. Perhaps the definition of “realpolitik” is evolving to accommodate the fact that stable democracies are more predictable than restive, long-oppressed populations.
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Venezuelan crisis is half self-inflicted, half externally imposed, by this country in particular. The American crisis is all home-made, produced by the “ship of fools”.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/24/donald-trump-venezuela-nicolas-maduro
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“Pompeo’s statement on Wednesday evening instructing US diplomats in Caracas to ignore Maduro’s order to leave the country was especially rash. The diplomats could become virtual hostages in any prolonged internal power struggle.”
Here is the possible diversion that the Pussy-Grabbing Orange Moron is looking for. Paul Krugman said, “Lincoln had a team of rivals; Trump has a team of morons”.
Venezuela sits atop hundreds of billions of barrels of oil reserves.
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Ross said. “So there is really not a good excuse why there really should be a liquidity crisis now.”
That’s rather rich coming from the federal government who can print money at will but isn’t paying up. If anybody shouldn’t have a liquidity crisis, it’s them.
Another billionaire bubble boy.
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The Donald got rich from not paying people for their work. Why would anyone think he has any compassion now? This is his familiar bullying technique. He chooses billionaires to work for him because he believes they are more intelligent. They also have no idea what ‘struggling to survive’ means. We are experiencing whether or not Raygun’s famous slogan, ‘Government is the problem’ is a truth. Are we now happy having no government?
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Who Needs a Paycheck Anyway?
By Michelle Goldberg
Opinion Columnist
The shutdown reveals the administration’s callous elitism.
…Larry Kudlow, director of Donald Trump’s National Economic Council, told reporters that federal employees forced to work without pay were “volunteering.” He added, as he stumbled to clarify, that they’re doing it out of their love of country “and presumably their allegiance to President Trump.” (If they don’t work they can be fired.)…
On Monday, Lara Trump, the president’s daughter-in-law and the host of an online pseudo-newscast funded by his re-election campaign, said that the sacrifices of unpaid federal workers are a small price to pay for a border wall. “It’s not fair to you and we all get that,” she said in an interview. “But this is so much bigger than any one person.”
In an interview that aired two weeks ago on PBS, Kevin Hassett, the chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, suggested that furloughed workers were fortunate not to have to use vacation days over the Christmas holidays. “And then they come back, and then they get their back pay. Then they’re — in some sense, they’re better off,” he said…
But if they cared about people who aren’t rich, they wouldn’t be working for Trump in the first place. The shocking thing isn’t their indifference to the misery they’re causing. It’s that they can barely be bothered to hide it.
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I live in the Metro DC area. This shutdown is hurting a lot of people, not just fed workers. The restaurants and coffee shops, which serve the workers are laying off people. The Metro subway/bus system is losing $400,000 per day, in lost ridership. The support structure of this entire area is hurting. Southern Maryland/DC/Northern Virginia is a “company town”, and the ripple effects are pounding many people.
I know a coast guardsman. He is working 12 hours a day, then he gets two days off. He is not getting paid.
While all fed workers will be paid retro-actively when the shutdown is concluded, contract workers will NOT be paid. Contract workers provide vital services to the American people, and they do it much more economically than full-time GS workers.
This nonsense has got to stop. There is legislation under consideration in the congress, to outlaw future shutdowns, and I hope this law is passed and signed.
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Oh poor Charles….now that YOU are affected, you aren’t pulling that Libertarian BS that you always throw around. You want some pity?…How’s it feel to want? How’s it feel to have to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and make do with little to nothing while working like a dog or not working at all? HMMMM…maybe a lesson learned?…probably not.
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That’s the typical Republican response: denigrate, ignore, obfuscate, and destroy anything until it affects you personally. Sen. Rob Portman’s “conversion” on gay rights after his son came out comes to mind immediately. Or the “pro-life” Tenn. rep Scott Dejarlais who encouraged his mistress to have an abortion. Or…well, you get the point, all of you have stories like this you can tell. The point of being an elected rep. is to have the ability to understand and legislate most especially on the issues that don’t affect you personally. So I have no pity on Republicans like Chuckie.
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I am not directly affected by the shutdown. My checks still come in on time. I neither ask for, nor solicit anyone’s pity. I have had periods of unemployment in the past, I have always been able to secure another position.
I do know some people, who were furloughed, fortunately, they will be paid retro-actively.
My wife is in real estate, she had a commission all lined up, but the buyer was unable to come up with the deposit, because of the shutdown. She lost a commission.
But now that the shutdown has (apparently) concluded, the prospect may choose to go ahead.
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What makes you think that I was affected by the shutdown? About the only thing I noticed, was fewer cars on the road, during commute time. My wife lost one commission, but the prospect may be able to go ahead now.
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This has to be making the Orange Mussolini feel frustrated. After all, he never does anything wrong. How could any Repubs ever turn on their Great Leader?
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Republican senators argue over shutdown, turn on Majority Leader Mitch McConnell
BY DAVID BRENNAN ON 1/25/19 AT 4:30 AM
…Republican intransigence is starting to bite, even though Trump and his allies have sought to shift the blame onto what the president called “obstructionist” and “radicalized” Democrats. Polls indicate that most Americans blame Trump and his party for the crisis.
Senators voiced their concerns to Pence during Thursday’s lunch event. Even McConnell was believed to have addressed the vice president directly, saying the shutdown was not his idea and was not working. Republicans familiar with his comments said he used the phrase “There is no education in the second kick of a mule” in discussing the government shutdown.
According to The Hill, another Republican senator told Pence, “The shutdown needs to come to an end; this is not a strategy that works, [and] we never should have had a shutdown in the first place.”…
http://www.newsweek.com/republican-senators-argue-over-shutdown-turn-majority-leader-mcconnell-are-1304739
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REPORTER: Mr. President, did you see that Wilbur Ross said that he couldn’t understand why federal workers would need help getting food? Can you understand?
TRUMP: No, I haven’t heard the statement, but I do understand that perhaps he should have said it differently. Local people know who they are when they go for groceries and everything else, and I think what Wilbur was probably trying to say is that they will work along. I know banks are working along, if you have mortgages, the mortgagees, the mortgage, the folks collecting the interest and all of those things, they work along. And that’s what happens in times like this. They know the people, they’ve been dealing with them for years, and they work along, the grocery store … and I think that’s probably what Wilbur Ross meant, but I haven’t seen his statement, no …but he’s doing a great job, I can tell you that.”
Actually, that’s not how any of this works. While many folks are regulars at their local grocery store, and, as decent people do, befriend the clerks and other employees who care for us, the vast majority of Americans do not get the food that sustains both themselves and their families at some old-timey market owned by a neighbor, where one can extend a line of credit with a simple notation in Old Man Wilson’s ledger. Mama can’t send her children to the store to barter for a loaf of bread with some free mending services.
That’s not how any of this works. ANY OF IT.
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Right? OMG
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Retail grocers have been operating on a 3% margin for 30 yrs, smaller ones folded long ago: my reality is big-box grocers plus convenience stores, isn’t yours? Do they extend credit 😀 ? The only small food-purveyors that have survived provide higher-priced specialties to an upper-midclass clientele. And… Banks?? 😀 😀 I guess on Planet Trump they’ll “work w/you” in a cash crunch…
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White House Preparing Draft National Emergency Order Amid Shutdown – Reports
The White House is preparing a draft proclamation for President Trump to declare a national emergency along the southern border, identifying $7 billion in potential funds pulled from other existing funds, according to internal documents obtained by CNN.
“The massive amount of aliens who unlawfully enter the United States each day is a direct threat to the safety and security of our nation and constitutes a national emergency,” the draft of a presidential proclamation reported by CNN reads.
“Now, therefore, I, Donald J. Trump, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C 1601, et seq.), hereby declare that a national emergency exists at the southern border of the United States,” the draft reportedly adds.
https://sputniknews.com/us/201901251071801562-white-house-preparing-national-emergency/
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Jamil Jaffer, a national security/ cybersecurity law expert was on CSPAN’s Wash Jnl show this a.m., pointing out that this extended shutdown– & all the loud interchange around it [e.g. tone-deaf ‘elite’ commentary & pushback]– both distracts from and illustrates a major neglected issue: Russia’s prowess at sowing/ exacerbating polarization/ chaos here.
To their gratification, we are a continuing daily press-show exhibit of the failures of US democracy. He says back in Russia, govt types are cheering & clapping each other on the back: Mission Accomplished. Unqualified success. All managed by a concerted but relatively cheap tech effort that exploits our unregulated, unprotected cybersphere. Ongoing.
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Good News!!
Public disapproval of President Trump has swelled five points to 58 percent over three months as a majority of Americans continue to hold him and congressional Republicans most responsible for the partial federal government shutdown, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
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Then there is the bad news. Democrats are winning hostility to Trump by having the govt shut down. Thus they have no motivation to do anything about it and will stand firm, hoping for the knockout blow. But Trump’s base will not leave him, and his negative poll numbers are nearing his base. Trump will do nothing that Ann Colter does not allow, so he will do nothing about it either.
We are doomed to watch as national parks and monuments are trashed. We are doomed to watch as a dysfunctional government proves that government is dysfunctional, a bit of circular logic only the American right wing can handle with their distortions of logic.
I do not see a way forward. If trump blinks, the right goes crazy and he loses even the nut cases. If Nancy Pelosi blinks, she loses waves of democrats who are tired of blinking for the last four decades. Will we ever see the end of this?
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There are already two winners from this shut down: Russia and China.
And the longer the federal government shut down lasts, the bigger the win for Russia and China.
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“Then there is the bad news. Democrats are winning hostility to Trump by having the govt shut down. Thus they have no motivation to do anything about it and will stand firm, hoping for the knockout blow.”
This is not an accurate depiction of the Democrat position. POTUS supports [/”owns” by proclamation] shutdown, stating he will veto any bill to re-open that does not include his preferred policy– despite the fact that now only one of two houses of Congress supports him– & despite the fact he could not get this policy thru during 2 yrs’ all-Rep-majority both houses.
He made it clear he will not negotiate by walking out of Schumer/ Pelosi/ Trump mtg after each side stated opening position. Thus the onus is on the “checks & balances” House & Senate to bring this would-be dictator to heel. [Specifically, it’s on the Rep-majority Senate to drum up a veto-proof majority to re-open.] Dem-majority House position is not about ‘winning Trump hostility’ or ‘no motivation to do anything.’ Their job, plain & simple, is to exercise check on POTUS attempt to impose will via govt shutdown. If they falter, they will set a precedent whereby POTUS can obtain any policy simply by shutting down govt.
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BT5: I agree with all of your reply. It properly describes the situation. Still, the democrats are in no position to compromise, having been forced into it ever since Clinton tried to change the debate on national health policy and was trounced in the midterms in 94. He resorted thereafter to a political strategy which made him look moderate to his base, compromising with an ever right moving house.
Obama spent 8 years compromising, which pushed the country so far right that we elected a man whose politics consisted of almost nothing but what we used to consider the fringe years before. So the demos have nothing to compromise, having given away the left entirely. I have argued recently that there is no left. But perhaps it returns.
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What choice did Bill Clinton have after his first two years. The GOP controlled both Houses of Congress for most of his eight years?
Once the Republicans held the majority, the GOP declared was on Clinton and never let up. He was constantly under attack. And the only thing they got him on was his one lie about having a sexual affair with Lewinsky.
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I suggest that you watch a PBS program entitled, “The Dictator’s Playbook”. A friend told me about this program. It certainly puts Trump on the block as someone who plays this dangerous game. I watched the Italians cheer as the dictator Mussolini came to power.
Trump has his loyalists, destroys our beliefs in traditional government, influences the judiciary, wants to destroy a media that doesn’t worship him, creates distractions, told the military to go to the southern border, creates the illusion that immigrants are to be hated because they are the source of our problems and tells everyone that that only he can fix everything. What will Trump do if he is indicted, impeached or looses an election?
He and Mussolini are never wrong.
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Trump indicated that he was open to declaring a national emergency or shutting down the government again if Republicans and Democrats cannot reach an agreement on wall money by the February deadline.
This battle isn’t over. Trump, the dictator, is fuming over temporary defeat by a WOMAN! What nasty thing is next on his mind? Notice that his speech for The Wall was regurgitation of false ‘facts’. He is still playing to the ignorants who know that a wall is needed to keep out the rapists, drug dealers and criminals. Toddler man is a demented narcissist.
I hope the Democrats are willing to continue to stand up to a bully who this one time didn’t get his way.
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