Kevin McDermott, editorial writer for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, asked this question. And he wondered what kind of people cheer for him and believe his steady stream of boasts, cruel taunts, and lies.
Open it for the many links.
He writes:
It was always just a matter of time before Donald Trump stood in front of an audience of his bellowing fans and mocked an alleged sexual assault survivor.
It’s always been the kind of man he is.
“ ‘I don’t know. I don’t know.’ ‘Upstairs? Downstairs? Where was it?’ ” Trump said to a Mississippi crowd last week, mimicking Christine Blasey Ford’s testimony that Judge Brett Kavanaugh, Trump’s Supreme Court nominee, sexually assaulted her while they were in high school.
“ ‘I don’t know. But I had one beer,’ ” said Trump, to howls. “ ‘That’s the only thing I remember.’ ”
In fact, sexual assault allegations are often full of holes, the details driven out by trauma. We’ll probably never know exactly what happened 36 years ago.
What’s certain is that a private citizen telling her story shouldn’t have to endure being called a liar by the president of the United States. Even Kavanaugh’s more serious defenders understood that baseline of decency.
But Trump didn’t. Because there is something wrong with this man.
Not that it was surprising. This is a man who has denigrated the service of a tortured prisoner of war; whose grotesque, flailing impersonation of a disabled reporter would have been shocking coming from a sixth-grader; who trashed the parents of a dead young soldier; mocked the physical appearance of a female primary opponent; and put Nazis and anti-Nazis on the same moral plane after Charlottesville.
Normal adults don’t act like this. Not even politicians.
Especially not politicians, in fact. Not because they’re more conscience-driven than the rest of us (please) but because they usually know enough to tamp down whatever antisocial impulses they might have.
But not Trump. It’s striking how often, how predictably, his outbursts of cruelty hurt him politically. You could almost hear foreheads banging on West Wing desks when Trump launched his attack on Ford, complicating the 11th-hour push to confirm Kavanaugh.
Some believe Trump’s cruelty is a tool he wields for political ends. I don’t. It’s been too counterproductive for him. I think the truth is worse: Once he’s in front of some hooting red-hatted crowd, he just can’t help himself. His cruelty isn’t calculated; it’s a genuine, uncontrollable impulse that he’ll embrace even to his own detriment. Because there’s something wrong with the man.
Trump likes to compare himself to Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln’s mantra was, “With malice toward none, with charity toward all.” Trump is malice personified, a man who cheats his own charities. Lincoln annoyed his generals with frequent clemency for condemned deserters. Trump has proposed killing drug dealers not accused of murder, teenagers falsely accused of rape and the children of terrorists.
This man isn’t in the same ethical galaxy as Lincoln. There is something wrong with this man.
It’s not just that Trump is less empathetic than a normal president. He’s less empathetic than a normal person. Think about the people in your life: How many of them delight in deliberate cruelty toward those less powerful? How many of them love punching down?
Is our president a clinical sociopath? That legitimate question has prompted serious debate among psychiatrists. But early on, many assumed the presidency would normalize him. No one imagined the extent to which he would abnormalize the presidency.
Trump’s psychosis has become policy. His administration has admitted (between denials) that the large-scale separation of migrant families at the Texas border was meant as a deterrent — that they psychologically tortured children, including babies, as a warning to other migrants to stay away. Trump himself has said (in contradiction to administration legal arguments) that the travel ban on certain Middle Eastern countries was about cracking down on an entire religion. Ponder the last century’s global precedent for that.
The State Department last week announced it is yanking the visas of unmarried same-sex partners of foreign diplomats, based on the Supreme Court’s 2015 legalization of same-sex marriage. Get married if you want to stay here together, says the administration — knowing full well that’s illegal in some of their home countries. There are reasonable legal arguments for the new State Department policy, but given the demonstrated impulses of this administration, would anyone really discount the possibility that the primary motivation here is cruelty?
Trump is just one man, but what’s wrong with him isn’t confined to him. He has unleashed and empowered others like himself. His mockery of Ford in Mississippi last week drew shouts of “Lock her up!” — the phrase Trump’s fans usually reserve for the woman who beat him by 2.8 million votes in 2016.
So now they’re moving on to alleged sexual assault victims. Who’s next, I wonder?
That’s the scariest part. After Trump is gone from the scene, the loyalists he has energized will still be here. And there’s something wrong with these people.
Kevin McDermott is a member of the Post-Dispatch Editorial Board.
Kmcdermott@post-dispatch.com
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Yep. There is something wrong with this man. Who can listen to him and support what he says and does? That I will never totally understand. He is cruel and lies, telling his crowds what they want to hear.
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What Trump says reinforces the prejudices of his base in the same way that Fox does.
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Yes, there is something wrong with Donald Trump and many of the freaks on his cabinet.
Trump is not a sociopath. Why do so many people keep calling him a sociopath?
Trump is a malignant narcissist and psychopath and that is way more dangerous than a sociopath. The evidence says his father was a psychopath too, and DT’s father raised his son in his own image and built on that to turn his son into a bigger monster than the father.
“Psychopath vs sociopath: Who is more dangerous?”
“Psychopath and sociopath are both psychological terms for what psychiatry calls an antisocial personality disorder. Thanks to Hollywood, these terms are used so often, I bet 9 out of 10 users are not even aware of the proper meaning of the words. The general understanding of the terms psychopaths and sociopaths, they are violent criminals or someone who is bound to commit a crime.”
“Psychopath is probably the most dangerous sort of psychological disorder. Fascinating as it may be to understand about them, Hannibal Lector ought to be enough to show how dangerous an intelligent psychopath set on his ways can be.”
https://www.healthtopia.net/blog/psychopath-sociopath-dangerous
A psychopath is born to grow up and be a psychopath. That is what researchers think and the research says it is genetic.
But a sociopath develops over time. Children who face physical abuse, emotional abuse, or some kind of trauma in early age are more likely to show traits of a sociopath.
And, this is truly frighting, it could be that DT is all three: a malignant narcissist who has the psycho genes= but as a child was abused by his psycho father and that, over time, also turned DT into a sociopath.
Yes, there is something seriously wrong with DT. As a malignant narcissist, alleged sociopath-psychopath combo, he is rare even among genetically programmed psychopaths.
This probably makes DT the most dangerous human on the planet right now.
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Trump is the poster boy for the GOP of 2018, that says it all. It’s a disgrace that such a man has been elevated to the presidency; he’s a charlatan, demagogue and prolific liar without shame or even a hint of conscience. That little tete-a-tete with Kanye West was like something out of the Twilight Zone and out-SNLed the actual SNL.
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I perceive a change from early Trump interviews. It’s likely that he had filters on his communication which his aging has now eliminated.
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I saw an interview with Omarosa, who by the way, had worked in the Clinton White House. She said that in the early 2000s the Trump she knew from The Apprentice was articulate and coherent. Now she said it is impossible to know what will come out of his mouth.
I cannot understand how his followers stay with him. There is nothing for them in any of his ideas.
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The worst part of the Kavanaugh debacle to me was watching Kavanaugh’s fawning subservience to Trump. I have never seen that before in a Supreme Court nominee. Just appalling.
It’s bad enough that Republicans in Congress provide no oversight of the executive branch- federal courts are now also bowing down to this ridiculous corrupt con man.
It’s embarrassing watching grown men and women grovel and flatter Trump to win favor in these reality tv show hiring contests. Ugh. I just cringe watching it.
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This is the second article of great import that I have read this morning. The views expressed here sums up how I see Mr. Trump, and why I would never vote for the man. It would be easy to dislike him, but in fact he is a man, nothing less, nothing more; a man with what seems to me to be huge defects.
The sooner he is voted out of office the better for us all, as that is not the place he should be. There is simply too much at stake, at home and on the globe. The impact of America on the rest of the planet is great and its leadership should reflect its people who wish for justice and improving even the great democracy we have.
There is great power here in this Nation, scientific, technological, and even economic; how such awesome power is used if of the greatest significance and so we need a leader who is able to take us higher, show compassion, and yes, also strength, when it is needed.
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Charles and David Koch and Trump have similar personalities. Mike Pence, the Koch’s choice, isn’t devoid of his communication filters so they mask a highly flawed personality that matches the Koch’s and Trump.
Gates, as age diminishes his communication filters, will present more as the Marc Andreessen type. When India rejected a tech product, Andreessen publicly stated his belief in colonialism. (Andreessen held a fundraiser for Cory Booker.)
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Trump evokes, represents, and embodies a predator / prey, anything goes, selfish morality and ideology. This was all on full display long before he was elected. Today’s NY Times reported on his declining support among women, but rising support among college educated, well-off white men who are prospering as a result of tax cuts and deregulation. They are quoted as saying they don’t like his behavior, but think he is still a great president. It is this suspension of human decency among even a small portion of Americans that is most troubling. All politicians that represent that moral abdication need to be voted out. Until more Democrats clearly and unambiguously represent a different morality on behalf of most Americans that will not happen. It is not clear enough yet. Rejecting corporate campaign contributions and the policies that those donations represent are the first necessary step.
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Carnegie, whatever his sociopathic tendencies were, will be remembered for building a common good. The Gates’ name will always be cursed for destroying a common good.
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Yes. Mr. Gates should worry about this being his legacy. Horrific
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If Trump is successfully impeached and removed, what do you see happening then?
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dienne77: Then we get the religious zealot Pence. Pence looks better but he most likely is behind a lot of the evil that Trump is doing. Pence knows better how to work the system.
Did you read my comment about how the anti-abortion laws Pence tried to instate in Indiana are now being brought up before the Supreme Court? Women who want abortions would have to pay to have the fetus buried or cremated. They cannot have an abortion if the fetus is damaged physically because that is violating some law about destruction of the disabled.
Trump can make fun of the disabled and that’s acceptable.
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According to the imperfect polls, the odds favor the Democrats taking back the House of Representatives but are against them taking back the Senate. They must control both Houses of Congress to impeach and then find DT guilty.
A GOP controlled Senate will find DT innocent and even if the Democrats take back the Senate all it would take is probably one Democrat to cross over to the Republicans and vote to save Trump.
At the federal level, Article I, Section 2, Clause 5 of the Constitution grants to the House of Representatives “the sole power of impeachment”, and Article I, Section 3, Clause 6 grants to the Senate “the sole Power to try all Impeachments”. In considering articles of impeachment, the House is obligated to base any charges on the constitutional standards specified in Article II, Section 4: “The President, Vice President, and all civil Officers of the United States shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors”.
Getting rid of DT will not end what is happening if Pence is left standing to become president. We will end up with a president that will continue to push the same agenda. The only difference will be the tweeting will end.
We have to get rid of both DT and Pence.
Then we might have a chance for a Democratic to become president since #3 is the speaker o the House of Representatives.
If there are no changes at the top of the Democratic Party after the mid-temrs, then Nancy Pelosi could be our president.
And to turn out the vote in his favor, Trump is telling his deplorable always-Trump base that it will be their fault if he is impeached. Remember, to TD, nothing is ever his fault. After all, in his mind, he is a stable genius, a successful businessman (really a fraud, liar and crook) that everyone loves and admires.
If impeached, Trump will continue to hold rallies for his always-Trump base and will shout from his pulpit while frothing at the mouth that the impeachment is another witch hunt.
I wonder if the Marshal Service is large enough to protect all of the elected Democrats in the House and Senate from being shot or lynched by an always-Trump mob.
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Lloyd: It’s worrisome to think that even after Trump is no longer president, he will have the money to keep talking to crowds and raising their anger about whatever the Dems do. Trump isn’t planning to quietly go away now that he’s had a taste of power and loves the screaming crowds that he can manipulate.
Do you really think that he will ever stop Tweeting? And will the press ever ignore him? He is a blight but he still sells for the media. I don’t think we will ever be rid of him unless he goes to prison and that is a long shot.
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I have no doubt that if Trump is impeached and tossed out of the White House he will want to continue to Tweet and hold rallies for his always-Trump base.
But will Twitter let him continue to Tweet if he is the first president in U.S. History to be impeached by both Houses of Congress? It is possible that most if not all of the major social network platforms will block Trump if he is convicted by the Senate.
And if TD is found guilty of being a traitor by the Senate, no matter what he shouts to his always-Trump base, I think he will be blocked from social media, because Trump will replace Benedict Arnold in the history books to become America’s #1 traitor.
Then there is a list of court cases at the state level already in place going after him for other financial crimes. Cases that only exist because he made it to the White House. I don’t think his old tactics to bury court cases is going to work for him here.
If evicted from the White House and found guilty of other crimes, he could end up serving time in one of those country club prisons while also being fined for his convicted financial crimes. Is it possible that he will be in court over the hundreds of millions that were hidden from the IRS by his father when he gave DT that money? Imagine the fines in that case if found guilty.
I wonder how much money TD has hidden in offshore accounts.
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Lloyd: I think it is a stretch to assume that Trump will be tossed out by the Senate. It would take 67 votes. The Dems don’t have that much power and the GOP are all afraid to cross him OR they are sycophants that bow. The House may be able to impeach him but I doubt that he will be thrown out. Any attempt will just rouse the loyalists even more. How dare we attack the ‘best president ever’. “Thank God for Trump”, as one commenter wrote to me this morning on a different site.
If the Supreme Court votes to cancel double indemnity he won’t be tried again in state courts. K is sure to support that. I would love to see him tried and convicted by the state of New York. He needs to go into a for-profit prison that doesn’t ‘have enough money’ to give healthcare or decent food to inmates.
it would be fantastic if his Twitter account and all social media would permanently close his rantings. The peace would be divine.
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I agree, it is a stretch that the Senate will ever find TD guilty and toss him out of the WH.
But Miracles do Happen so it isn’t impossible.
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I seriously doubt Trump will ever be impeached a la Nixon. If he were impeached (BIG IF), then Pence would inherit a damaged presidency and would have to be on his good behavior – if the Democrats were in control of the Senate and House. Yes, there would damn well be a difference under that scenario plus Pence would not have 4 years to putz around and foul things up. Not to worry, Trump won’t be impeached and no president has ever gone to jail after his presidency that I am aware of.
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There’s no way Trump will be impeached, let alone convicted, and the lazy, a-historical, magical thinking motivating this fantasy among the liberal /Left it – yeah, right, let’s bring Archibald Cox back from the dead; that’ll take care of it ! – along with the equally deluded hysteria over Russiagate and the like, helps inoculate him against his actual crimes, and will help re-elect him in 2020. It further de-legitimatizes political institutions, which is part of what gave us Trump to begin with, and furthers his appeal.
That, and the fecklessness of Obama/Clinton Democrats, whose dirty little secret is that they prefer Trump to Bernie Sanders, since he is a fund-raising bonanza for them (which is all they really care about), and helps them maintain control of the Party of The Best And Brightest Losers.
Two years is a very long time in politics, and a sustained decline in the stock and/or housing markets may turn people against Trump, just as his trade policies may turn most of the Overclass against him (the only other reality-based reason he might be forced out).
But if that doesn’t happen, here’s an anecdote to suggest that not only will he likely be re-elected, but that he’ll be unbeatable in 2020: I recently returned home after driving through the great state of Maine. While stopping at the Lewiston (a mill town where the mills are long gone, and reputedly the meth capitol of the Northeast) service area, I saw that not only were they hiring, but they were offering $500.00 signing bonuses and $500.00 referral bonuses to prospective employees. This, in October (end of the summer season in a state that lives and dies on summer tourism) in one of the poorest states in the nation, tells me that the failing strategy of focusing on Trump’s (real, actual) grotesqueness will continue to fail, just as it did for Hillary in 2016, and just as it’s likely to in congressional elections this year.
Whatever reservations some/just enough voters may have about Trump’s character will be disregarded because he’s a guy who Gets Things Done, and because many of these folks see proof of that in the self-indulgent virtue-signalling among liberals in the Acela Corridor. After all, where was the concern among this privileged sector when the industrial base in Flyover Country disappeared overnight – which literally happened to the shoe and paper industries in Maine – and was replaced by meth and Oxycontin, and with declining life expectancies among the working class in the ever-expanding Red Zones of the country?
And to think, after everything the Democrats have done for the Working Class over the past thirty years!!!
Now, it should go without saying that all the economic heat benefiting Trump comes from policies based on Burning All The Furniture, but the short term political payoff of that will nevertheless accrue to him, all the more so if the only thing Democrats can do is continually emote over what a Mean, Bad and Uncouth man he is, coupled with homophobic jokes about him and Putin.
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Rump is unfit to serve.
https://popularresistance.org/national-park-service-proposes-severe-restrictions-on-protests-in-washington-dc/
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He is totally unfit to serve. He and his followers act like Lemony Snicket characters. They all must have suffered abuse when young.
Trump and Pence should be removed, and all Republicans colluding to keep this sad idiot in office should be out as well. These people are an utter and dangerous disgrace. Proud Boys, Fox News. Utter garbage. Take back the country. Get these troglodytes chanting I like beer! in proper institutions and rehab programs.
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The phenomenon that fascinates me the MOST is this dynamic in which all these “conservative” audiences continue to support Trump in an exchange in which they get their celebrity politician(s), branding and all, and at the same time, they also get ROBBED of their civil rights, birth rights, consumer rights, labor rights, their buying power, their capacity to build wealth, their ability be in the middle class or more, their ability to buy and eventually own outright a home, their access to healthcare without impoverishing themselves or giving up food or car payments, their right to free speech, their ability to pay for higher education, and ultimately, their ability to think critically.
These people think they live a free life, but they actually exist to feed the voracious, power-hungry addictions of the ruling class elite, the same class that installs notions of fear, freedom, morality, God, individuality, big bad government, big bad taxation, unfettered gun rights, and the indispensability of being a military world leader and power.
People who vote against their interests or who are indifferent to being hawkish on governance records may as well be the type of cattle who put the slaughter man out of business because these cows are bizarrely yet predictably self slaughtering. In fact, they willingly take the machete from Capitol Hill so that no trace of blood taints the business suits of Senators and Congress people.
It’s the weirdest phenomenon I have ever known, but it’s real and palpable and prevalent in American Culture. It’s almost as if Americans have sensory input issues, where they have to be beaten to pulp before they feel any pain.
But I still have permanent faith that people will one day get so fed up that they will truly believe that a beautiful America is one in which the public schools will be palaces of engagement and learning while the Pentagon will have to hold bake sales and gift wrap fundraisers to buy yet another bomb . . . .
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Robert,
That phenomenon puzzles me too.
Do people prefer to express racism and hatred while their own lives are impoverished?
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Old sayings but true.
Misery loves company
And
The underdog wants to have another dog it can bully and terrorize.
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While you’re at it, why are there so many rock and rap stars with really bad mores and yet broad appeal? Why is there still, in this modern age, so to say, sports that cause brain injury with predictably high frequency. We are all living Beyond Dunderdome.
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Bad morals, character
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I agree with all of you!
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It Is Up to Us to Make Our Voices Heard in Order to Salvage Our Democracy
By Robert Reich, Robert Reich’s Facebook Page
14 October 18
With less than a month until the midterms, billionaires and corporations are dumping huge sums of money into our political system to keep Republicans in control of Congress. Casino magnate Sheldon Adelson has just forked over more cash to boost Republican-aligned Super PACs ahead of Election Day. This year Adelson and his have wife have donated more than $50 million to support the Republican Party — a small fraction of the the estimated $700 million windfall Adelson’s casino business will receive because of the Trump-GOP tax cuts.
This week we also learned that Trump personally lobbied the prime minister of Japan on Adelson’s behalf to help him secure a lucrative gambling license. It is up to us to make our voices heard in order to salvage our democracy from this corruption. But we can’t overcome this avalanche of money, unless we vote.
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Lyndon Johnson: famously observed that, “If you can convince the lowest white man that he is better than the best colored man, he will empty his pocket for you.”
Trump has pushed this philosophy to a whole new level. If you could read Trump’s mind his take on this would be:
“If you can convince the lowest white person that they are far superior to the best immigrant, the best black, the best Hispanic, or the best foreigner – and you can convince the lowest whites to fear all of them as well – they will not only empty their pocket for you, but they will empty their cranium too.”
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Rage: your last paragraph is historically correct (e.g.,the rise of Hitler, Nazi Germany, the Roman Empire), & your last sentence is spot-on to the extreme.
I was at a gathering of women yesterday (after the Women’s Rally & March & separate from that; it was a tea at a Chicago suburban home), & 3 of us got into a discussion about the dumbing-down of America: endless television & mindless entertainment; citizens glued to (or handcuffed by) SmartPhones & other such devices; people transfixed upon pro sports (have you lately been able to patronize any restaurant that DOESN’T have at least 3 LOUD tvs, all tuned to sports events, whereby diners cannot easily {if at all} carry on a conversation which could be heard by everyone at the table?) And so on…
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McDermott’s editorial is as spot on as it gets.
So here’s what matters..
Is your LOCAL candidate for senate and representative a TRUMP-CLONE? Then this editorial describes him (angry-white man who drunk trump’s kool-aid), too and your local media should be writing it.
Then your LOCAL candidate stands for and should be CALLED OUT ON … “denigrated the service of a tortured prisoner of war; whose grotesque, flailing impersonation of a disabled reporter would have been shocking coming from a sixth-grader; who trashed the parents of a dead young soldier; mocked the physical appearance of a female primary opponent; and put Nazis and anti-Nazis on the same moral plane after Charlottesville.” (From editorial above).
If your LOCAL candidate is a Trump-clone, then he (of course it’s a white he) will NOT represent you, your issues, or district, or your state.
Please…. Down to the wire. Write. Call. Press your local media to cover the whining, lying, labeling, demeaning empty words of your local trump-clone candidate. (The same Post Dispatch above did that today in an endorsement of the incumbant democrat)
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Civil and human rights groups accused Ryan Nelson of being a conservative ideologue. One Dem from Alabama voted to confirm him. Trump wins one more time.
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Senate narrowly confirms this Idaho lawyer for powerful 9th Circuit appeals court…Idaho Daily Statesman
October 12, 2018 12:16 PM
Updated October 12, 2018 03:31 PM
The U.S. Senate has narrowly confirmed one of President Donald Trump’s nominees to the nation’s largest federal appeals court.
Senators voted 51-44 on Thursday to appoint Idaho attorney Ryan Douglas Nelson to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. The San Francisco-based court hears cases from Idaho and eight other Western states.
Nelson most recently served as general counsel of health care and home products company Melaleuca. He takes over a seat vacated by N. Randy Smith, a nominee of Republican President George W. Bush.
Only one Democrat, Doug Jones of Alabama, voted in favor of Nelson. The Leadership Conference, a coalition of civil and human rights groups, accused Nelson of being a conservative ideologue who had a troubling record on the environment…
Read more here: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/article219928370.html#storylink=cpy
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/article219928370.html
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Yesterday, McDermott had another interesting editorial, where he pointed out how what we are now experiencing, with the GOP in control of all three branches of government and pushing policies that the majority of Americans don’t support, effectively amounts to the tyranny of the minority. He said that there is still a way to change the Supreme Court, by adding more seats to the SCOTUS, since the number of seats isn’t spelled out in the Constitution, it’s determined by Congress.
That sounds like a viable option for regaining balance on the court, once we get a Democratic Congress & POTUS again, so I think it should be pointed out to people how their votes really matter in the long run: “Future Democrats should consider nuclear option to ‘un-pack’ the Supreme Court”
https://www.stltoday.com/opinion/columnists/mcdermott-future-democrats-should-consider-nuclear-option-to-un-pack/article_c269f9ee-797d-54e6-a92a-a307319e6dc7.html#tncms-source=infinity-scroll-summary-siderail-latest
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Reteach,
I was at dinner a few weeks ago with a federal judge who said exactly the same thing. If the Democrats regain control of Congress and the Presidency, they can expand the Supreme Court to 11 or 13 or 15 or any number. But that’s a lot of “ifs”
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Yes, that IS a lot of “ifs,” but I think it’s doable –especially if we can turn out a lot of young voters, people of color and educated women, so that in November, we take the House and increase our numbers in the Senate (or at least not lose any Senate seats), and then pick up more seats in the Senate & POTUS in 2020…
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Reteach: Your optimism is life giving. 🙂
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Thanks so much, Ciedie!
Years ago, when I was working with young children in another country, after a war broke out, I learned that it wasn’t enough to empathize with fears, pain and disappointments, that kids also needed adults to hone in on the positive, to help them cope and problem-solve, and in order to support optimistic views of the world. I soon discovered how mutually beneficial doing this on a regular basis was for me as well, and it carried over to my daily work with kids when I returned to this country, too.
In my experience, actively looking for life-affirming signs and silver-lining solutions can aid us in dealing with many challenges and help us to maintain a cheerful outlook. That includes recognizing the beauty and the humour that’s all around us and within us. It’s what has gotten me through a lot of adversity in my life, including this ongoing nightmare of Trump Traumas.
Best to you!
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Experiences over the past few months have made me realize that the real problem is not our leaders, it’s us. I think our country has become too big and ungovernable. We have too many people who are neither educated or engaged enough to make the functions of governing work fairly and efficiently. And together they have veered us toward an authoritarian government that masquerades as being representative. I guess masquerade is the wrong word because I fear that what we have now is truly representative of the country—I don’t mean just voters. That doesn’t mean we should resign ourselves to the status quo and worse. I think it means that we have understand that the majority of people today are quite happy with where we are and where, left unimpeded, we are going. We are the problem and we have to change to make change.
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I’m thinking somewhat, vaguely along the same lines. We all must be in some part culpable, we meaning society; our failures and obsessions regarding corporate growth, caring for the most vulnerable, social media, entertainment, etc. We, society created that massive fringe that grew like the Blob, and we had no Steve McQueen or helicopter bound for the Arctic. And sadly, somehow, we elected The Thing From Another World, a shape-shifting, truth-bending mimic of a human, or maybe merely a man, stunted and left permanently in some form or stage of childhood, who has always been at the wrong place at the wrong time, covered in gold foil.
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Although I’ve posted it here before, I include a link to a Dorothy Thompson piece from 1941 which seems appropriate for our times:
https://harpers.org/archive/1941/08/who-goes-nazi/
I travel a lot and interact with a wide range of people in my work. I’ve started to play the “Who Goes Nazi” game in my head. Admittedly very, very anecdotal, but when combined with my habit of reading local papers, especially opinions and letters to the editor, I can’t help but conclude that this nation is in a state of decline from which it might not ever recover.
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Well, we’ve been through THE Civil War, and many other internal revolutions. This one is unlike any other, but I think our character will remain, re-emerge from this. How? I don’t know. But Trump undoes himself every second, regardless of consequence or polls. And so do most of the fools on display, in collusion, in delusion, in hate and fear and perpetual revenge.
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I beg to differ, because the majority of Americans got stuck with a POTUS for whom we did NOT vote.
Most of us did not choose that man, at least in part, because many of us recognized long ago that there is something very wrong with him, including most of the people in his own state –who know him all too well. (It’s never a good sign when a presidential candidate doesn’t carry his own state. That happened to Gore, too, but his margin of 47% to Bush’s 51% was significantly smaller than Trump’s 36.5 — to Hillary’s 59%.)
Since most of us did not pick Trump, nor his (and his party’s) draconian policies, and WE ARE THE MAJORITY, what we have to change is getting even more of us out there to vote, in all elections across the country. It won’t be easy because it means having to overcome the many hurdles that prevent us from being adequately represented, such as gerrymandering, voter suppression, both a Senate and an Electoral college that over-represent minority factions (small states), dark money, etc. But that’s our best option and I think it can be done, though change might be incremental at first.
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Your substantive facts overlook my speculative “I don’t mean just voters” argument. Your numbers leave out the 40-50% of Americans who don’t vote. I include them in my argument and include them in my characterization of “we.”
One of the interesting things I’ve noticed over the past couple of years is the virtual disappearance of the inclusion of the example of how a civilized country like Germany have committed such horrors? Those who rhetorically claimed that there were certain preconditions, if you will, to such a mindset see their arguments go up in smoke every time they pick up a copy of a newspaper today.
“We” need to not only figure out why this is happening, but realize that we are part of the problem…and solution.
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Sorry, I thought it was too obvious to state that those who did not vote also did not vote for the POTUS and policies that we all got stuck with, despite the fact that the low voter turnout amongst historically marginalized, disaffected and apathetic citizens weighed heavily on my mind. That’s why I mentioned the importance of getting more of us out there to vote in future elections, regardless of the many obstacles to it that we face.
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Donald Trump became president thanks to 80,000 people in three states — states that the Russian’s focused their misleading propaganda campaign on to discourage Democratic voters from voting.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/donald-trump-will-be-president-thanks-to-80000-people-in-three-states/?utm_term=.6136a703ef27
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GregB: How does one fight this ignorance?
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He’s ‘One of Us’: The Undying Bond Between the Bible Belt and Trump
BY BYLIFETODAY.COM · ON OCTOBER 15, 2018 · IN POLITICS
JOHNSON CITY, Tenn. — Sharon Hurd didn’t know that President Trump had used the phrase “dumb Southerner” to explain his legal professional normal, however listening to it didn’t trouble her…
Now, these voters, a key a part of his electoral coalition, are inherently skeptical of the every day run of stories tales about Russia and the Trump marketing campaign, or much less savory features of his private life.
The distrust of the nationwide information media runs deep. Headlines which have dominated the nationwide information, similar to a fee Mr. Trump directed to silence an adult-film actress who alleged he had an affair along with her, have been seen suspiciously, and even batted away…
“He’s a businessman and he doesn’t owe anybody something,” she stated. She had no situation with Mr. Trump’s three marriages — “at the very least he married Marla Maples!” she stated — and was additionally doubting of the protection surrounding Stephanie Clifford, the adult-film actress who goes by the stage title Stormy Daniels.
Against this, she stated she had grown weary of Mr. Clinton’s private scandals when he was in workplace.
Was there a contradiction? “It appears like a double commonplace,” she conceded of her opinion. However Mr. Trump was simply totally different, she prompt.
“I feel the Good Lord forgave him, so I can, too,” she stated.
Link: https://bylifetoday.com/2018/10/15/politics/hes-one-of-us-the-undying-bond-between-the-bible-belt-and-trump/
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Ignorant folks like this will never change, nor will haters who harbor deep resentments towards people they have never met. They have been taught that they are the victims and they’ve learned to disdain those who are different from them.
They are very much like those who’ve fallen for the notion that Aryans are superior to all other people and believe that the master race is “tall like Goebbels, slim like Goering and blond like Hitler.”
They’re not just poorly educated, they are fairly stupid sheeple who accept lies from leaders who raise them up by putting down others. Many of them simply accept being told effectively “do as I say, not as I do.” If they had reflective, well-functioning brains that engaged in critical thinking, after Trump complained at his rally about those not applying the presumption of innocence before being proven guilty to K, they would not have then proceeded to shout “lock her up” in regard to Dr. Blasey Ford (or Hillary).
A lot of Trump’s base routinely deny scientific evidence, so many of them don’t trust archeology and they believe that Jesus lived alongside dinosaurs. If their kids are confronted about that, they tell them to shut down the conversation by asking “Were you there?” They don’t even try to reconcile such conflicts, they can’t readily recognize a hypocrite and they don’t fully comprehend the dangers of supporting a dictator-wannabe in our democracy. They drank the Kool-Aid and are too entrenched in their ignorance, negative attitudes and hateful behaviors. For many in his base, “liberal” and “Democrat” are dirty words and they have never voted for anyone but a staunch conservative. They are the lost causes who would still support him even if he shot someone on 5th Avenue, as Trump has said.
It’s primarily the people that have a history of being swing voters who are more open and might be reached.
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Reteach 4 America: It is sad that so many people are in this category. Fox spreads lies but the internet is a worse problem. A bigger one yet is how children are raised to become haters. Still, that doesn’t always work. I went to college, traveled a lot and learned. My brother is a far R extreme on the political line and I’m on the far L. My brother hooked up with the extreme ‘Christian’ movement when he was in high school. I think his ideas grew from access to the internet. [No, Obama did not set up FEMA camps to kill people…]
As the one song goes:
You’ve Got To Be Carefully Taught
From South Pacific
You’ve got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You’ve got to be taught
From year to year,
It’s got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You’ve got to be carefully taught.
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Carol, that question is above my pay grade. 😎
That’s why we’re both here!
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From the 60 Minutes interview:
Lesley Stahl: –do you believe that the Russians interfered in the 2016 campaign election? Our election-
Trump: They– they meddled. But I think China meddled too.
Lesley Stahl: But why do you–
Trump: And I think other countries–
Lesley Stahl: –say China meddled too?
Trump: And you wanna know something?
Lesley Stahl: Why do you say Chi– why don’t you just say–
Trump: Well, let me ask you–
Lesley Stahl: –the Russians meddled?
Trump: Because I think China meddled also. And I think, frankly, China–
Lesley Stahl: This is amazing.
Trump: –is a bigger problem.
Lesley Stahl: You are diverting the whole Russia thing.
Trump: I’m not doing anything.
Lesley Stahl: You are, you are
Trump: I’m saying Russia, but I’m also saying China.
To date, 32 people have been charged or pled guilty in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. President Trump’s campaign chairman, top campaign aide, former national security advisor and longtime personal attorney are all cooperating in the inquiry [Trump] calls a witch hunt.
Lesley Stahl: Why did you have to make fun of her?
President Donald Trump: I didn’t really make fun of her.
Lesley Stahl: Well, they were laughing.
President Donald Trump: What I said the person that we’re talking about didn’t know the year, the time, the place.
Lesley Stahl: Professor Blasey Ford got before the Senate and– and was asked what’s the worst moment. And she said, “When the two boys laughed at me, at my expense.”
President Donald Trump: Ok, fine.
Lesley Stahl: And then I watched you mimic her and thousands of people were laughing at her.
Lesley Stahl: Do you think you treated her with respect?
Trump: I think so, yeah. I did.
Lesley Stahl: But you seem to be saying that she lied.
Trump: W– you know what? I’m not gonna get into it because we won. It doesn’t matter. We won.
Yeah. There’s definitely something wrong with the dude…and with his supporters.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-interview-60-minutes-full-transcript-lesley-stahl-jamal-khashoggi-james-mattis-brett-kavanaugh-vladimir-putin-2018-10-14/
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Riddle me, riddle me, riddle me this. Guess who?
from New York;
a money launderer;
a tax cheat;
a narcissist;
in the construction trades;
a braggart about his own genius and wealth;
with garish tastes;
known for his dapper suits;
of considerable physical girth;
very proud of his comb-over;
a serial abuser of women;
given to violent temper tantrums and extreme vulgarity and crudeness;
also given to casual racism and extreme sexism
profoundly insecure;
constantly demanding adulation and obsequiousness from subordinates;
constantly worried about loyalty;
surrounded by dirty lawyers;
known for stiffing contractors;
a serial mangler of the language;
unable to articulate sustained speech coherently;
known for threatening and bullying people;
also known for making up belittling nicknames for others.
Answer:
Gotti.
John Gotti.
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Trump won’t confirm that he won’t close down the Mueller investigation. Of course Trump has never done anything wrong in his whole life. He is mentally ill and is obsessed with winning and lying. Narcissistic, demented and sociopath or psychopath?
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Here Are Some Of The Wildest Moments From Trump’s ’60 Minutes’ Interview
Trump was asked about his treatment of Christine Blasey Ford, whether he thinks climate change is a hoax, and a handful of other topics.
By Saba Hamedy and Nick Visser
…Stahl pressed Trump repeatedly about his stance on the ongoing investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller into the last presidential election, asking if he would “pledge” not to shut it down. Trump refused several times to answer.
“I don’t pledge anything,” he said. “But I will tell you, I have no intention of doing that. I think it’s a very unfair investigation because there was no collusion of any kind.”
When the host asked once more, Trump again fired back, saying: “There is no collusion. I don’t wanna pledge. Why should I pledge to you? If I pledge, I’ll pledge. I don’t have to pledge to you.”
He later cast doubt on any claims that he had colluded with Russia during the election, calling the idea “ridiculous.”
32 people have been indicted in Mueller’s probe so far, including several high-profile members of the Trump campaign.
Article: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-60-minutes-interview-moments_us_5bc39a63e4b040bb4e836a40
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Over the weekend I was up in New England preparing the way for my move there. At the motel, I watched “Back to the Future II” and realized who Donald Trump really is: Biff Tannen (played by actor Thomas F. Wilson), the loudmouthed bully in that trilogy of movies.
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Time to cut Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, SNAP, CHIP, eliminate the EPA, all social services and the State Department. Trump promised that these ‘tax cuts for the middle class’ would pay for themselves. He made at least $11 million.
I’m still waiting for my tax refund from last April from the IRS. They do these refunds by hand and the IRS is underfunded. This is one unique GOP way to fund the government. Guess there aren’t enough middle class people deserving refunds to make up the deficit difference.
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Trump Hits A New High-Water Mark: The Biggest Federal Deficit In 6 Years
The federal deficit has soared 17 percent in the president’s first fiscal year.
By Mary Papenfuss
…The deficit jumped 17 percent (or by $113 billion) to $779 billion at the end of Trump’s first fiscal year, according to final figures released Monday by the Treasury Department. That’s mostly due to the massive corporate tax cut that slashed rates from 35 percent to 21 percent, choking revenue for spending, which climbed 3 percent. Much of that was a hike in defense spending and money to pay interest on the climbing federal debt, CNN reported.
The U.S. government’s $523 billion in interest payments to service its debt in 2018 — the highest ever — was more than the entire economic output of Belgium this year, Bloomberg reported.
Corporate tax collections in the U.S. fell 22 percent, or $76 billion, in the fiscal year, which ended Sept. 30.
The total federal debt — which combines annual deficits — was 78 percent of the nation’s entire gross domestic product in June. It hasn’t been that large a percentage since World War II.
Trump promised the tax cuts would pay for themselves by boosting business, which would produce more taxes. But that hasn’t yet happened. The Trump administration estimates that the deficit will increase to $1.09 trillion in the next fiscal year…
Article: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-deficit-highest-six-years_us_5bc545ece4b0a8f17ee4c5d6
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Trump made millions from his personal sales to the Saudi’s. No wonder he worships them.
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Saudi Arabia: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
John Oliver on Our Presidents’ Troubling Ties to Saudi Arabia
LastWeekTonight
Published on Oct 14, 2018
Following the alarming disappearance of a Saudi journalist and political dissident, John Oliver examines America’s uncomfortably comfortable relationship with Saudi Arabia.
Donald Trump isn’t the first U.S. president to maintain a questionable relationship with Saudi Arabia, but the comedian argues he may be the first who doesn’t view it as a compromise.
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Stephen Colbert “interviews” Trump
https://apple.news/AJKmK73fkTICo_KysDuDpfw
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Saw it last night–a MUST watch!
Although I DO love John Oliver, I think Colbert deserved the Emmy this year. The writing & his imitations. monologue & just plain newsy genius out journals the actual tv journalists/news broadcasters & makes me laugh till I cry (& so much better than just crying).
That having been said RE: tv news anchors–the above “Last Week Tonight” had an hilarious “& Now This” segment about…well, tv news anchors (sorry I don’t have the link; can you provide, carolmalaysia?).
David Muir, e.g., showing off his pecs; Cuomo showing off in the gym & possibly belittling his female co-worker. Very funny (& odd) stuff.
Makes one miss Walter Cronkite a WHOLE bunch. (& I miss Ted Kopple’s “Nightline”–now, it’s all fluff {although, admittedly, haven’t watched for a long time: just don’t want to…})
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Sorry, I don’t have the link.
I also miss Walter Cronkite. We need his honesty. He is respected and made the statement that the media doesn’t inform people enough to make intelligent decisions when they vote. That happens now more than ever.
We are on the precipice of being so ignorant that our democracy is threatened.
Walter Cronkite
We’ve got a great percentage of our population that, to our great shame, either cannot or, equally unfortunate, will not read. And that portion of our public is growing. Those people are suckers for the demagogue.
Walter Cronkite
America’s health care system is neither healthy, caring, nor a system.
Walter Cronkite
We’re an ignorant nation right now. We’re not really capable, I do not think, the majority of our people, of making the decisions that have to be made at election time and particularly in the selection of their legislatures and their Congress and the presidency, of course. I don’t think we’re bright enough to do the job that would preserve our democracy, our republic. I think we’re in serious danger.
Walter Cronkite
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“For the record, I have no financial interests in Saudi Arabia (or Russia, for that matter),” he tweeted. “Any suggestion that I have is just more FAKE NEWS (of which there is plenty)!”
Trump for years has had business ties to the Saudis, with one Saudi royal billionaire, Prince Alwaleed bin-Talal, purchasing his yacht and a stake in New York’s Plaza Hotel in the 1990s when the former business mogul was in financial distress.
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Trump has also boasted about the apartments he has sold to Saudi and Russian billionaires. Apartments that sell for $40 million-50million and more.
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It is so easy to manipulate Trump. Give him money and show how much you worship him. Putin never interfered in the US elections because Putin said he didn’t. Now Saudi Arabia is not involved in the disappearance of a Post journalist because the Saudi prince told Trump that he “totally denied any knowledge”. [Maybe if Elizabeth Warren had purchased a $50 million condo from Trump he would say he never called her Pocahontas and the problem would never be brought up again.]
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Trump says Saudi prince ‘totally denied any knowledge’ of what happened at consulate in Turkey regarding journalist’s disappearance
In a pair of tweets, President Trump said that he had spoken with Mohammed bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, who had informed him that he will expand “a full and complete investigation” into the disappearance of Washington Post contributor Jamal Khashoggi.
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This was posted from the WH. I think whoever wrote this forgot that Trump was itching to sign a law that would have taken 32 million people off of their insurance. He and the GOP are very happy to save money for insurance companies by allowing them to charge more for pre-existing conditions. Trump’s administration is allowing cheaper insurance that doesn’t cover much. This allows him to brag daily that he is the best president in the history of the United States. Most of the instability driving up premiums in the marketplace can be directly traced to Republicans’ efforts to undermine the health care law for their own political purposes.
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In Fox News, CMS Administrator Seema Verma writes that usually this time of year is greeted with dread, as millions of Americans have had to purchase health insurance in the volatile Obamacare exchange with its skyrocketing premiums. “The Trump administration inherited this market chaos and, once President Trump took office, he acted immediately to help people harmed by ObamaCare. The results of his immediate action are already showing.”
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It NEVER stops, does it. Now we can add Horseface to the list of names our great president uses to criticize people. Trump proves over and over again that he has no class or morals. Can you imagine the GOP outcry if Obama or Bill Clinton had done this? Michelle Obama got criticized for showing a shoulder and President Obama wore a tan suit. How horrible. [Ahhh. Trump has ‘shortcomings’. Stormy is getting back.]
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Trump Calls Stormy Daniels ‘Horseface’
While gloating about a judge’s dismissal of Stormy Daniels’ defamation suit against him, President Trump on Tuesday attacked the porn star’s physical appearance, mockingly calling her “Horseface.” The president quoted a Fox News headline reporting that a “‘Federal Judge throws out Stormy Danials [sic] lawsuit versus Trump. Trump is entitled to full legal fees.” And then the president added: “Great, now I can go after Horseface and her 3rd rate lawyer in the Great State of Texas. She will confirm the letter she signed! She knows nothing about me, a total con!”
Almost immediately following the president’s tweet, Daniels’ lawyer Michael Avenatti responded: “You are a disgusting misogynist and an embarrassment to the United States. Bring everything you have, because we are going to demonstrate to the world what a complete shyster and liar you are. How many other women did you cheat on your wife with while you had a baby at home?”
Daniels herself fired back at the president, too: “Ladies and Gentlemen, may I present your president. In addition to his…umm…shortcomings, he has demonstrated his incompetence, hatred of women and lack of self control on Twitter AGAIN! And perhaps a penchant for bestiality. Game on, Tiny.”
Daniels initially filed the suit over a Trump tweet that “falsely attack[ed] the veracity” of her claim she was once confronted by an unidentified man in 2011, threatening her to keep silent about her alleged affair with Trump. In his Monday ruling against Daniels’ lawsuit, Judge James Otero concluded the porn actress did not “sustain a cause of action for defamation” on the president’s part.
Donald J. Trump
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“Federal Judge throws out Stormy Danials lawsuit versus Trump. Trump is entitled to full legal fees.” @FoxNews Great, now I can go after Horseface and her 3rd rate lawyer in the Great State of Texas. She will confirm the letter she signed! She knows nothing about me, a total con!
10:04 AM – Oct 16, 2018
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Enjoy this:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2018/10/16/we-are-shocked-that-trumps-tax-cut-for-the-rich-didnt-pay-for-itself-shocked/
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NYT: My brilliant colleague Julie Hirschfeld Davis and I [Lisa Lerer] racked our brains to come up with a list of all the women who had been publicly insulted by Mr. Trump since he became a presidential candidate.
Megyn Kelly: “Bimbo”; “blood coming out of her wherever.”
Heidi Klum: “Sadly, she’s no longer a 10.”
Heidi Cruz: “A picture is worth a thousand words” (next to an unflattering photo of her).
Carly Fiorina: “Look at that face. Would anyone vote for that?”
Alicia Machado: “Disgusting”; “Miss Piggy.”
Mika Brzezinski: “Bleeding badly from a face-lift.”
Natasha Stoynoff, who accused Mr. Trump of sexual assault: “Look at her, look at her words, you tell me what you think. I don’t think so.”
Omarosa Manigault Newman: “That dog.”
Arianna Huffington: “Extremely unattractive (both inside and out).”
Representative Maxine Waters: “An extraordinarily low IQ person.”
Senator Elizabeth Warren: “You find anything nice about her cheekbones? I dunno.”
Hillary Clinton: “When she walked in front of me, believe me, I wasn’t impressed.”
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That’s a short list for this misogynist.
Recall that some woman accused him of groping her and he said, no way would he touch a woman who looked like her
And then there is the infamous Access Hollywood tape, with his vile boasting about grabbing…
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Diane, it astounds me that otherwise intelligent people can look and hear Trump and not think he is totally vile. He speaks lies, degrades people, alienates allies, promotes dictators, looks down on ‘shit hole’ countries in Africa that are poor, takes children from their parents, hates immigrants, destroys the environment, attacks women, creates fear and division and works to get more power and money for himself. He sows disbelief in our government and our justice systems. He is like a monster that never stops and the GOP are sycophants. I’m sick of every single day getting up and reading one more new foul story that he has created. Why doesn’t he ever wear out? He is the epitome of ugliness both on the inside and outside. He enjoys creating chaos and destruction.
Will there ever come a time when we are rid of him? Will our democracy ever recover since his loyal followers will always proclaim how great he is? He has money and will never shut up.
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Carol, you summed him up perfectly. I no longer have the words to express my disgust that our country has such a despicable leader and that the Republican electeds grovel before him and kiss his feet because they fear his mob.
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On Tuesday, Donald Trump sat down for an interview with the Associated Press and stated off by declaring that he believes the Saudis are innocent—because they say they are…just like Brett K and Putin. [Trump’s eloquence with words always amazes me.]
Trump: “I spoke to the crown prince, so you have that. He said he and his father knew nothing about it. And that was very important. And I spoke to him with Mike Pompeo there. And the crown prince. I spoke to the king yesterday, the crown prince, today wanting to know what was going on, what was happening, and he said very strongly that he and his father knew nothing about it but they are starting a major, they’ve already started a major investigation to find out. And so the answers will be forthcoming.”
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I’m posting this in case you didn’t know what I was talking about when I gave Trump’s eloquent talk about the crown prince and his father knowing nothing.
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Why is Donald Trump so eager to buy Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman’s cover story about a “rogue operation” to murder Jamal Khashoggi, The Washington Post columnist and dissident critic? Well, it could be, as Trump said, that he’d rather prioritize the $110 billion in hoped-for arms deals with the Kingdom than stick up for human rights. Another reason could be the fact that Trump, despite his tweet, has a lot of personal business deals with wealthy Saudis.
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How could an audio confirm that the Saudi’s murdered Khashoggi when Trump says they denied it. All Trump has to do is ask and people are willing to tell the truth. Trump, “He said he and his father knew nothing about it. And that was very important.”
It’s his magical negotiating abilities at work. [BS]
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Audio confirms Jamal Khashoggi was tortured and dismembered, a Turkish official said, revealing gruesome details and contradicting Saudi denials.
Wednesday, October 17, 2018 11:36 AM EST
The leaking of such details, on the same day Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was visiting Turkey, reflected an escalation of pressure by the Turkish government on Saudi Arabia and the United States for answers on the fate of Mr. Khashoggi, a prominent dissident journalist who wrote for The Washington Post.
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Video: Will The Fate Of Jamal Khashoggi Damage U.S.-Saudi Relations? | Velshi & Ruhle | MSNBC
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Published on Oct 16, 2018
Saudi leaders are drawing up plans to admit Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi was killed at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. Part of that plan may blame “rogue operatives” for Khashoggi’s murder, calling it an interrogation that went wrong. Ali Velshi is joined by Robin Wright, a journalist and senior fellow at the Woodrow Wilson Center, to discuss Saudi Arabia’s strategy and if justice will ever be served.
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A senior Turkish official described audio recordings of Jamal Khashoggi’s death.
Brace yourself.
According to the official’s account, killers were waiting for the journalist inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. They severed his fingers during an interrogation. Then they beheaded and dismembered him.
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Oh, Trump says the Saudis didn’t do it, and they are “innocent until proven guilty.” So what if Kashoggi went into the Saudi consulate and never came out, says Trump. He wasn’t an American citizen, so we should not care if he was murdered. He is waiting for the Saudis to find “the real killer.” Or for someone, a rogue killer, a 400-pound man sitting on his bed in New Jersey, to confess. Besides, we have all those arms deals.
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Diane, isn’t it amazing how honest everyone is to Trump. The Russians didn’t interfere in our elections because Putin honestly told Trump that. The Saudi’s didn’t murder Khashoggi because they told Trump they didn’t know anything about it. K is innocent because he said he was.
Trump is friends with Kim Jong Un so he will totally disarm his nuclear weapons.They get along beautifully. Trump wants him to come to the WH.
I’m SO impressed. [BS]
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He is either gullible or refuses to see what he doesn’t want to see.
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Most if not all convicted felons serving time in prison will look at you with a straight face and claim they are innocent. Trump is no different. I’m waiting for him to end up in prision so he can claim he’s innocent and it was a witch hunt. “Lock her up instead of me,” he will shout.
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I can see that Saudi Arabia would not welcome a columnist like Khashoggi. He is telling the truth and that is forbidden.
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Jamal Khashoggi’s final column: What the Arab world needs most is free expression
Jamal Khashoggi
Washington Post
A note from Karen Attiah, Washington Post Global Opinions editor:
I received this column from Jamal Khashoggi’s translator and assistant the day after Jamal was reported missing in Istanbul. The Post held off publishing it because we hoped Jamal would come back to us so that he and I could edit it together. Now I have to accept: That is not going to happen. This is the last piece of his I will edit for The Post. This column perfectly captures his commitment and passion for freedom in the Arab world. A freedom he apparently gave his life for. I will be forever grateful he chose The Post as his final journalistic home one year ago and gave us the chance to work together.
…The Arab world was ripe with hope during the spring of 2011. Journalists, academics and the general population were brimming with expectations of a bright and free Arab society within their respective countries. They expected to be emancipated from the hegemony of their governments and the consistent interventions and censorship of information. These expectations were quickly shattered; these societies either fell back to the old status quo or faced even harsher conditions than before.
My dear friend, the prominent Saudi writer Saleh al-Shehi, wrote one of the most famous columns ever published in the Saudi press. He unfortunately is now serving an unwarranted five-year prison sentence for supposed comments contrary to the Saudi establishment…
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-jamal-khashoggi-final-column-20181017-story.html#share=email~story
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I thought it was illegal for the US military to form on US soil. Of course, what has illegality ever stopped the Orange IDIOT. The CR*P never ends with him. Imagine a world where Trump’s iPhone is hidden and never is found…and he doesn’t have enough money to purchase another one.
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Trump threatens military action if Mexico doesn’t stop immigration ‘onslaught’
President Trump on Thursday warned that he may take military action to stop immigrants from crossing the southern border into the U.S. if Mexico does not take action to stop the “onslaught.”
Trump in a series of early-morning tweets also blamed Democrats for the “assault on our country,” adding that illegal immigration is “far more important” to him than trade or the new USMCA pact with Mexico and Canada.
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I am watching the Democrat Party led (because they want Open Borders and existing weak laws) assault on our country by Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, whose leaders are doing little to stop this large flow of people, INCLUDING MANY CRIMINALS, from entering Mexico to U.S…..
6:25 AM – Oct 18, 2018
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….In addition to stopping all payments to these countries, which seem to have almost no control over their population, I must, in the strongest of terms, ask Mexico to stop this onslaught – and if unable to do so I will call up the U.S. Military and CLOSE OUR SOUTHERN BORDER!..
6:35 AM – Oct 18, 2018
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….The assault on our country at our Southern Border, including the Criminal elements and DRUGS pouring in, is far more important to me, as President, than Trade or the USMCA. Hopefully Mexico will stop this onslaught at their Northern Border. All Democrats fault for weak laws!
6:45 AM – Oct 18, 2018
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Putin is angry
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/putin-furious-at-saudis-for-using-his-puppet-without-permission
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Diane, this just was posted from the WH. We are SO lucky to have a president who “thinks 24/7 about how to grow this economy and raise the wages of the men and women of America.” How can we stand all this winning? I’ve noticed that affordable healthcare is now available and am amazed at how fast our infrastructure has improved. The big savings brought by cutting regulations didn’t work to keep the deficit from rising. Who is being hurt by the cutting of regulations?
“…the media is missing a great presidency”. The people are also missing a great presidency.
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West Wing Reads
President Trump Smashes Regs, Cuts $33 Billion vs. $245 Billion Added by Obama
“President Trump’s promise to cut Obama-era regulations has gone into overdrive, with the slashing generating $33 billion in savings, far more than expected,” Paul Bedard reports for the Washington Examiner. “A new report from the White House budget office said that $23 billion in savings has occurred this year alone, with the total at $33 billion since the president took office.”
In The Washington Post, Neomi Rao, Administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, explains how the Trump Administration is cutting regulations at breakneck speed. “Since President Trump took office, farmers can more productively use their land. Small businesses can hire more workers and provide more affordable health care. Innovators are freer to pursue advances in autonomous vehicles, drones and commercial space exploration. Veterans enjoy expanded access to doctors through a telehealth program. And infrastructure can be improved more quickly with streamlined permitting requirements.”
“Too bad, the media is missing a great presidency,” White House Director of Trade and Manufacturing Policy Peter Navarro writes in The Washington Times. “President Trump is demonstrating both to predecessors and future presidents all the good that can come when the person in the Oval Office thinks 24/7 about how to grow this economy and raise the wages of the men and women of America, particularly those who work with their hands.”
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Just assume that every WH release is propaganda
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Yep. Good article. Much better than the spew that comes from the WH.
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The American Economy Is Rigged
And what we can do about it
By Joseph Stiglitz, Scientific American
18 October 18
…There is no magic bullet to remedy a problem as deep-rooted as America’s inequality. Its origins are largely political, so it is hard to imagine meaningful change without a concerted effort to take money out of politics—through, for instance, campaign finance reform. Blocking the revolving doors by which regulators and other government officials come from and return to the same industries they regulate and work with is also essential…
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-american-economy-is-rigged/
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Trump is acting SO presidential these days. Calling a porn star with whom he had an affair ‘horserface’ is SO enlightening.
I’ve already voted. Dang. I’m impressed with his political brilliance.
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Trump Believed His Stormy Daniels ‘Horseface’ Tweet Was Politically Brilliant
The president workshopped it before tweeting it out. And he doesn’t care about the angry reactions.
https://thebea.st/2OsKz5s?source=email&via=desktop
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Jake Tapper said Trump has said worse things about Stormy Daniels and Sen Warren these past two days than about the Crown Prince and thug-in-Chief in Saudi Arabia.
Apparently the murder of Kashoggi was an “accident,” they only meant to cut off his fingers and decapitate him.
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Diane, it definitely was an ‘accident’. Many embassies conveniently have bone saws.
Good grief. I was in the US embassy in KL. Didn’t know I was putting my life on the line. [One never knows when a bone saw is needed. Be ready to run if you see one as a decoration on the wall.]
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Another ‘excellent’ choice made by Trump. He can proudly claim to be the most corrupt president in the history of the United States. I’m sure there is much more to uncover.
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Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke violated department policy on travel, the agency’s watchdog finds
The Interior Department’s watchdog found that Zinke violated department policy by allowing his wife to travel in government vehicles and instructing his security detail to drive an associate to the airport.
The decision to take an unarmed security detail on his overseas vacation cost taxpayers $25,000, the report found.
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Trump is waiting for the results of Saudi Arabia’s investigation into who killed Khashoggi. That will settle the matter. Nothing like asking the killer who done it. Like OJ, Crown Prince MBS will find the real killer, the one who sent those two chartered jets with 15 men and an autopsy specialist to cut up the dissident.
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Diane, its just like sending in the fox to find out who killed and ate the chickens in the hen house. Or like allowing a limited FBI investigation to find out the truth about K. If you don’t want the truth this system works beautifully.
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This says exactly what kind of man Trump is. Nobody should encourage a politician to hit a journalist. Trump is mentally off and unfortunately, his followers believe this creep.
“Any guy that can do a body slam, he’s my kind of guy,” the president said…Trump has also repeatedly encouraged or praised violence committed by people he considers allies against people he does not.
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David Leonhardt
Op-Ed Columnist
In May of 2017, Greg Gianforte — then a Republican businessman running for Montana’s lone seat in the House of Representatives — got angry at a journalist who was asking him questions about health-care policy. Gianforte then picked up the journalist, Ben Jacobs of The Guardian, and slammed him to the ground.
“Gianforte grabbed Jacobs by the neck with both hands and slammed him into the ground behind him,” said Alicia Acuna, a Fox News reporter who witnessed the attack. “Gianforte then began punching the man, as he moved on top the reporter and began yelling something to the effect of ‘I’m sick and tired of this!’” (You can listen to an audio tape of the incident.)
Police later charged Gianforte with assault, and he pleaded guilty. A judge ordered him “to report to the Gallatin County jail to have his mugshot and fingerprints taken,” as Whitney Berne of the Bozeman Daily Chronicle explains. Gianforte’s punishment included a six-month deferred sentence, 40 hours of community service, 20 hours of anger-management counseling, $385 in payment to the court and $4,464.97 in restitution to Jacobs.
The voters of Montana elected Gianforte anyway, and last night — at a rally in Montana — President Trump was full of praise for Gianforte. Specifically, c“Any guy that can do a body slam, he’s my kind of guy,” the president said.
Since he began running for president in 2015, Trump has tried to discredit almost any independent source of information he did not like — be it from journalists, federal judges, the C.I.A., the F.B.I., the Congressional Budget Office or scientists. Trump has also repeatedly encouraged or praised violence committed by people he considers allies against people he does not.
Trump is not — thank goodness — an autocratic ruler of the United States. But he is behaving like one. Encouraging violence against political opponents is no joke when it comes from the president. It is a classic tool of autocracy. And it’s one more sign that Trump does not accept fundamental tenets of democracy, including the rule of law.
The president, writes The New Yorker’s Jeffrey Toobin, “tonight celebrates an assault on a reporter in Montana at the same time as his Administration tries to minimize the murder of a reporter in Turkey. His words matter, and they reveal his character.”
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It is simply jaw-dropping that Trump congratulated a politician for thrashing a journalist at the very time that the civilized world is in shock about the murder of a journalist.
Proof perhaps that Trump does not care about appearing civilized. And is not civilized. Is he trying to impress Crown Prince MBS?
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The wealthy need their tax breaks MUCH more than seniors need Medicare or Social Security. Seniors are proving just how greedy they are. It’s only the wealthy who deserve to live.
There is something wrong with Trump and the whole GOP. Why does anyone who isn’t wealthy vote for these people? Can Fox say these cuts are necessary and people agree?
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Mitch McConnell’s October Surprise: Cuts to Social Security and Medicare are Coming…..Alliance for Retired Americans
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell explicitly stated that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid need to be cut in an interview with Bloomberg this week.
The comments followed a Treasury Department report showing that the federal deficit grew to $779 billion in fiscal year 2018, a 17% increase from FY 2017. McConnell placed the blame for the ballooning debt on a bipartisan unwillingness to cut earned benefit programs, ignoring the impact of the GOP Tax Scam passed last year that added trillions to the deficit.
Alliance Executive Director Richard Fiestasaid that McConnell’s statement leaves no doubt that Social Security and Medicare are on the ballot in the midterm elections, and that it should be taken as a dire warning to anyone who cares about these programs for current or future beneficiaries.
McConnell’s comments follow other Republicans saying that so called “entitlement” spending must now be addressed to cover the growing national debt. House GOP leaders Paul Ryan and Steve Stivers stated similar plans earlier this year, and White House Economic Advisor Larry Kudlow said that cuts would have to occur in 2019.
“We take Senator McConnell at his word. Given the chance, he will side with CEOs, corporations and the wealthiest of the wealthy over retirees and working Americans,” said Fiesta. “The only way to stop this assault on our earned benefits is to vote for candidates who will fight to protect these programs from any cuts that affect seniors, people with disabilities, children and every family who relies on them.”
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Wouldn’t it be great if Fox went bankrupt and nobody would bail them out.
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Fox News Spent the Past Week Repeatedly Emphasizing Jamal Khashoggi Once Supported the Muslim Brotherhood
Andrew Kirell
10.19.18 2:55 PM
The journalist apparently murdered by Saudi agents is being rebranded as a sort of terrorist sympathizer by Fox as Trump drags his feet on punishing his favorite crown prince.
On Thursday evening, the Post reported on what appears to be a whisper campaign among Republican lawmakers and conservative media aimed at smearing Khashoggi as a jihadist in order to excuse President Trump’s prevarications on delivering a forceful rebuttal of the oil-rich regime’s human-rights abuses.
Among the examples cited by the Post was the stunning claim cast Thursday by Harris Faulkner, host of Fox News’ highly rated daytime gabfest Outnumbered, in the middle of a discussion on Khashoggi’s disappearance.
“Khashoggi was tied to the Muslim Brotherhood,” she said…
https://thebea.st/2Pd4vZy?source=email&via=desktop
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This was posted on the WH email. I’m sure Trump would gleefully sign a law to cut Medicare and Medicaid. Seema Verma worked with Pence in Indiana when he was governor.
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Signs of Stability in Individual Health Care Market
-Fox News
“As a result of ObamaCare, average premiums on the federal exchange jumped by 105 percent between 2013 and 2017,” CMS Administrator Seema Verma writes. But with President Trump’s reforms, “fortunately, these chaotic trends are now turning. For the first time since ObamaCare was enacted, the premium for a typical federal exchange plan—while still much too high—will drop.”
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Trump always does the best. Read Reich’s opinion.
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Robert Reich: Here’s the Truth About Trump’s ‘Great Economy’ @alternet
By Robert Reich / Robert Reich’s Blog
…What about economic growth? Data from the Commerce Department shows the economy at full speed, 4.2 percent growth for the second quarter.
But very little of that growth is trickling down to average Americans. Adjusted for inflation, hourly wages aren’t much higher now than they were forty years ago….Trump and congressional Republicans refuse to raise the minimum wage, stuck at $7.25 an hour. Trump’s Labor Department is also repealing a rule that increased the number of workers entitled to time-and-a-half for overtime.
Yes, unemployment is down to 3.7 percent. But jobs are less secure than ever. Contract workers – who aren’t eligible for family or medical leave, unemployment insurance, the minimum wage, or worker’s compensation – are now doing one out of every five jobs in America…
Healthcare costs continues to rise faster than inflation. Trump’s response? Undermine the Affordable Care Act. Over the past two years, some 4 million people have lost healthcare coverage, according to a survey by the Commonwealth Fund.
Pharmaceutical costs are also out of control. Trump’s response? Allow the biggest pharmacist, CVS, to merge with the one of the biggest health insurers, Aetna — creating a behemoth with the power to raise prices even further….
Too often, discussions about “the economy” focus on overall statistics about growth, the stock market, and unemployment.
But most Americans don’t live in that economy. They live in a personal economy that has more to do with wages, job security, commutes to and from work, and the costs of housing, healthcare, drugs, education, and home insurance.
These are the things that hit closest home. They comprise the typical American’s standard of living.
Instead of an “economic boom,” most Americans are experiencing declines in all these dimensions of their lives.
https://www.alternet.org/robert-reich-heres-truth-about-trumps-great-economy#.W8yYDSKWbLk.gmail
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Trump lies and creates fear. I wonder why he isn’t bringing up the ‘wonderful tax cut’ or that millions have been thrown off their health insurance. [The Democrats are now paying immigrants to come to the US and vote and people from the Middle East are joining immigrants. Democrats also want to take away our healthcare.] Trump is a lying no-good waste of a person. How disgusting that facts never matter to those who exist in Trump’s wonderland. I worry for our country when someone this erratic can become our ‘leader’ and has followers who vote in fear brought by lies.
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Trump and Republicans settle on fear and falsehoods as a midterm strategy
Ashley Parker, Philip Rucker and Josh Dawsey
The Washington Post
President Donald Trump has settled on a strategy of fear – laced with falsehoods and racially-tinged rhetoric – to help lift his party to victory in the coming midterms, part of a broader effort to energize Republican voters with two weeks left until the Nov. 6 elections….
Trump’s claim – again, without providing evidence – that Middle Easterners are “mixed in” with the caravan is an example of how some leaders blend a mix of fact and fiction to instill fear in their electorate, said Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a New York University professor who studies authoritarian rulers.
“This is the way propaganda works,” Ben-Ghiat said. “You put different enemies together that really have nothing to do with one another. He’s trying to create this image of a wave of people of color, or threats, who are coming to invade the border.”
At last Thursday’s rally in Missoula, Montana, Trump alleged without evidence that Democrats were paying migrants to enter the United States so that they could vote for Democratic candidates.
“A lot of money’s been passing to people to come up and try and get to the border by Election Day, because they think that’s a negative for us,” Trump said. He added that Democrats like “the illegal immigration onslaught” because “everybody coming in is going to vote Democrat.”
The president went on to posit that some of the migrants attempting to cross the border into the United States were “hardened criminals” and “bad people,” but again declined to cite any evidence.
When a reporter asked him for an example, he dismissed her question with, “Oh, please, please, don’t be a baby.”
If the caravan is the president’s current favored cudgel against his rivals, it is not his only one. Trump also accused Democrats of wanting to “take away your health care,” “destroy your Second Amendment” and “throw open your borders to deadly drugs and vicious gangs.” None of those things appears in the platforms of Democratic challengers….
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-republicans-midterms-20181022-story.html#share=email~story
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Trump’s cruel, childish outbursts hurt him with political professionals and decent people of all political stripe, but they further solidify the support of his base, most of whom miss the days of lynch mobs, and if they found a starving puppy, would be less likely to feed and care for it than torture and kill it like Mike Huckabee’s kid did.
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