Politico Morning Education reports on a new poll:
POLL: MOST TEACHERS DON’T WANT GUNS IN CLASS: Polling out this morning by Gallup found that teachers overwhelmingly say they do not want to pack heat in the classroom, even with special training – a proposal the Trump administration has made a central focus of its response to the school shooting in Parkland, Fla.
– Nearly three quarters – 73 percent – of teachers said they oppose school staff carrying guns, and nearly 60 percent said arming staff would make schools less safe, according to the first nationally representative survey of teachers on the topic since the Feb. 14 shooting.
– Despite that, 20 percent of teachers strongly or somewhat favor the proposal, and 18 percent said they would be willing to go through special training to carry a gun in school buildings – indicating President Donald Trump may be on to something with his repeated estimate that as many as 20 percent of teachers could be “gun adept” enough to be armed in class.
– The new poll comes as the Trump administration pushes a school safety plan that includes the potential of armed school staff – something the president has repeatedly called for in the wake of the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School that left 17 dead and another 14 injured. The White House is backing a new Justice Department program that would aid states that seek to train teachers and other school personnel to carry firearms, as part of a package of steps to curb school violence.
– Most teachers don’t want the option, though. Eighty-two percent said they would not be willing to undergo the training. Gallup noted that it remains to be seen whether the majority of teachers who oppose the idea would agree to teach in a school where teachers are armed.
– Of the 18 percent of teachers who said they would undergo training to carry, two-thirds are very confident that they would be able to effectively handle the gun in a live shooting situation and one-quarter are somewhat confident, according to the Gallup poll. Gallup also found that a quarter of teachers said they currently own a gun and those who do are four times as likely to say they’re willing to undergo training to carry in school.
– Voters, however, have been more split on the idea. A Gallup poll this week found 42 percent of Americans support the idea and 56 percent oppose it. A POLITICO/Morning Consult poll last month that found 50 percent of voters supported the idea and just 42 percent opposed it. Benjamin Wermund has more.

I can’t prove it, but I suspect the 18 percent are likely the ones most of us would feel are least qualified (mentally and emotionally) to be given such a responsibility. Just a gut feeling.
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lol! Sounds like a very plausible theory.
What I think is absurd that this has to be polled! Maybe Gallup should go to Accounting Firms to poll CPAs whether they should be armed. Or hospitals to poll doctors and nurses to see if they should be packing heat.
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In gut you know its nuts to arm teachers!
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I would take that one step further. A little off topic .
“Catch-22. Anyone who wants to get out of combat duty isn’t really crazy.”
Anyone who feels the need to have a weapon like an AR 15 is by definition mentally unstable . So the weapon should be available for sale to anyone who is not unstable.
The odds of being attacked in a class room by a shooter are so low that it is mass hysteria to want to ban the sale of these weapons because of it. . Therefor we should respond to the mass hysteria by arming all teachers
Point taken Greg; any teacher who wants a gun in the classroom probably does not belong in a class room .
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Wow, Catch-22, hadn’t thought of it in ages. A great illustration of abuse of power via contradictory rules in service of bureaucratic agenda. Whole lotta that coming down from fed & state ed policy for 25 yrs now!
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I must admit, now that you remind me of that line, I think my comment must have been subliminally influenced by it.
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edit, therefore / classroom
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My thoughts exactly: there are always that handful of employees who enthusiastically want to be armed, and they feel to be the most dangerous options
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Who the 18% are that are comfortable carrying a gun? Are they macho men inside who really think they’d succeed when trained police can’t? Are these the same people who secretly voted for Trump and still think his ideas are good ones? Don’t these people realize that they are putting the lives of fellow teachers and students at risk? Teachers with guns would be the first target. [Kids will know who has these guns.] How many students will find the guns and kill themselves or other students just by satisfying their curiosity? Will a teacher with a hand gun really be a deterrent to a crazy person with an automatic rifle? Or are teachers also supposed to now start carrying automatic rifles? [Try hiding one of those buggers.] What will happen to the job of any teacher who packs heat and accidentally kills or injures a kid? Have these 18% thought that through thoroughly?
I would NEVER want to work in a school where fellow teachers are carrying guns. It has been statistically proven that more guns equals more people killed or wounded. How about when the police arrive? Can they tell the ‘packing heat’ teachers from the real gunman? What happens if 5 teachers have guns and they start shooting. Gad. How many kids will be hit? This is utter nonsense.
The NRA is a domestic terrorist organization. Trump received $30 million so he is coming up with ways to satisfy the NRA. They want teachers with guns so that the gun manufacturers have a whole new supply to arm.
Does anyone know what Fox [Faux] is saying about arming teachers? I would imagine that they’d say this is a fantastic idea. It gives gun owners the freedoms that they demand to keep their guns and it allows their warped brains to imagine the peace more guns would bring.
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Especially after what just happened at a school in CA when the gun accidentally fired!
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Happened years ago in Utah: http://www.good4utah.com/news/local-wasatch-front-/teacher-accidentally-shoots-herself-in-the-leg/204327814
And Idaho: https://idahostatejournal.com/news/local/isu-prof-with-concealed-weapons-permit-who-accidentally-shot-his/article_18228ab2-3383-11e4-af7e-001a4bcf887a.html
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Thanks for the links: From the first link: “Granite School District spokesman Ben Horsley said the teacher’s gun accidentally discharged in a faculty restroom around 8:45 a.m., before school was in session.
He said no students or other employees were in the area.
Horsley said the teacher is a concealed weapons permit holder and she was not legally obligated to notify the school district of that fact.”
(actually, I got that quote from a secondary link).
Wow, this is status quo in Utah and Idaho!?
Just nuts beyond belief; it makes me appreciate NJ more and more, especially after the exit of Christie.
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Yep. Status quo in Utah, at least. I’m not in Idaho, but I’m assuming it’s the same. I had a student teacher over 10 years ago that was armed. At least I knew. But my colleagues could be armed, and I have no way of knowing.
And as a parent, I can’t know if my children’s teachers are armed. Even the principal doesn’t have to be told.
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Joe, “Horsley said the teacher is a concealed weapons permit holder and she was not legally obligated to notify the school district of that fact.” That must mean public schools are not ‘gun-free zones’ there– tho I gather they are, in a number of red gun-totin’ states – judging from the hi volume of gun-totin’ comment-threaders decrying that ‘problem’ & calling for change.
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So in Trumplandia we can now have the potential for multiple school shootings at the same time. Great idea. Akin to the logic of suspending students who skip school.
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think of the added chaos when more than one secretly armed teacher jumps into the shootout: who’s to know that the teacher herself/himself didn’t start the whole thing?
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Arming teachers or school personnel is a deflection, a misdirection. The NRA and Trump have derailed the debate by talking about arming teachers instead of stronger laws regarding guns and gun ownership. We should be talking about banning semi-automatic rifles, high capacity magazines and having universal background checks. A sane and civilized country would have banned these semi-automatic weapons of death ages ago.
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How true. The post-Douglas-shooting ‘gun-reform’ that just passed in FL makes arming teachers a district choice, which may mean many will choose not to. Am wondering if they even needed such a measure, or if it was just for show: legislators promoting the bill cited two FL counties which already allowed arming some teachers w/o problems.
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Please remember that people’s sweat, toil, and blood are the reality or the price in fighting for freedom.
It is sadly to acknowledge that BAD people (=drug dealers, robbers) abuse the freedom to harm themselves and the innocents.
If people advocate for GUNS, then people should DEMAND the PHYSIC-ED program.
Hopefully, students can improve their self-defense, physical strength, and mental alert through Physic-Ed, Arts and Literature. Back2basic
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Do teachers have any rights when it comes to not wanting to work in an environment where colleagues are armed? (Can we take an early retirement with no penalty to opt out of such a situation?)
Something that’s missing from a lot of the discussions about arming teachers is the emotional piece of what it would be like to be faced with one of your own students who may be the perpetrator or how you would make the decision to leave your own students alone in a classroom while you go “defend” them with a gun. Or how a teacher can claim to be able to stay on task and focus on educating, while a part of their brain has to always be alert and ready for when they may have to use their lethal weapon, possibly against a child.
It makes no sense. Sane and rational people know that. Any teacher that thinks arming teachers is a sensible plan is not a person I would want to occupy a school building with.
And I shouldn’t have to in order to keep my job as a teacher of young children.
What insanity.
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In Utah, we teachers have NO right to demand a gun-free zone, and we don’t even know if, or who, is armed.
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I keep wondering if this is all part of a greater plan to shut down public education. How many will go into teaching if there are armed teachers in a school? How many teachers will quit rather than teach in a school with guns? How many parents will put their children in private schools or pull them out? What will be left of public education?
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Beth, you are “on” to something.
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Yup. Another brilliant ed reg serving multiple pro-choice/ free-market/ anti-public-good agendas. Let’s watch who piles on.
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http://buzzflash.com/commentary/congress-doesn-t-want-you-to-know-the-facts-about-gun-violence
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“Most teachers do not want guns in schools”
Most public school teachers also did not want standardized testing, Common Core, VAM, school closings, random teacher firing (based on VAM and SGP) and all the meaningless “documentation” that went with school deform. Most teachers did not want No Camel Left Behind, or Race to the Flop, or Bill Gates setting education policy or Arne Duncan acting as his waterboy to do his bidding. Most teachers also didn’t want charters taking away scarce resources or charters taking part of their building. Most teachers also did not want Betsy DeVos .
But since when does it matter what most (or even any) teachers want?
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“ NCLB (No Camel Left Behind)”
The Bushy camel head
Was poking in the tent
And look at where that led
To Arne’s government
And now we have the butt
Of camel in the tent
We’re really in a rut
With stinky camel scent
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Excellent!
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I believe it is the camel that is in rut.
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Greg Dworkin, M.D. is a doctor in Sandy Hook CT. He comments on Daily Kos radio about 3 times a week. This week he said that doctors are trying to do more to speak up about the damage done to the patients they see; confidentiality laws impede that discussion. It is time for the AMA to help us and to get some of those restrictions lifted. About 2015 the APA came out against torture and psychologists who participated in training our young service personnel in torture methods and the principles of torture. We need to have a stronger response from the professional associations as to what is malpractice. Professionals working together instead of their little protective silos “I am not allowed to speak out” on an issue… and the psychiatrists have re-examined the “Goldwater” rule ; what is being a professional and what is being self-protective (protecting your own position). For what it is worth the National Council of Churches works on this and they get various professionals to write articles — but we need a unified effort. https://www.zip06.com/news/20180227/pastor-calls-for-guilford-residents-to-consider-relinquishing-their-guns
I know this group has also featured Schott Foundation, Diane Ravitch as speaker — maybe they could take the lead? or NPE? take a lead in organizing across the professions?
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“multiple shootings”. I thought that was called OK corral? too much of this “vigilante” justice ….
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Passing out 9mm Glock pistols to teachers is ludicrous beyond belief. I hope it never happens. Nevertheless, there needs to be major improvements in school security, to reduce and possibly eliminate school shootings. Having armed guards, in uniform and plain clothes, will deter shootings. Armed guards will also cut down on other crimes, like drug dealing and bullying, locker theft, car stealing, etc. Who can be opposed to having a higher security presence in schools?
There are many simple and common sense steps that can be taken, to protect both students and school staff from crime.
Students, especially in the elementary schools, need to be taught gun safety. If you see a gun, DON’T TOUCH IT! RUN FOR AN ADULT! Who can be opposed to teaching children to respect firearms, and to leave them alone?
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The armed, uniformed guard at the Parkland High School hid until the shooting was over
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Charles: “Nevertheless, there needs to be major improvements in school security, to reduce and possibly eliminate school shootings. Having armed guards, in uniform and plain clothes, will deter shootings. Armed guards will also cut down on other crimes, like drug dealing and bullying, locker theft, car stealing, etc. Who can be opposed to having a higher security presence in schools?”
I’M AGAINST IT!! First of all, where are schools going to get the money for all of this ‘security’. There isn’t money for up-to-date text books, school repairs, busses or salaries. Second, it has been proven that schools with ‘armed guards’ didn’t do anything to stop the shooters. They are afraid of the killing spree that they hear going on inside. Third, posting guards at schools will do nothing to eliminate the killers who attack at churches, concerts, movie theaters or anywhere else where people live. Black communities face hand gun killings by just walking down the street. Some kids have been killed inside their homes. This daily occurrence doesn’t make the main stream media news. It’s just black people dying needlessly.
There needs to be a total ban on automatic rifles and there needs to be VERY strict safety gun laws that make it difficult for anyone to purchase a gun. If someone wants it badly enough, have them jump through the necessary hoops. Oppose the NRA and their fear tactics to come up with more reasons to make people buy guns. The NRA is buying out GOP Congress and they are gutless unless average people have finally had enough and Congressmen/women start worrying about their jobs.
Currently anyone can get a gun within an hour. Less if you live in my town. There is a gun shop about 10 minutes from my home. It is one of the major suppliers of illegal guns in Chicago.
My brother keeps a hand gun because he knows the US military is planning to come and shoot Americans. If that were the military’s goal, one rightly place drone bomb would destroy his city and all the surrounding cities.
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I think this overwhelming number of teachers who don’t want to use guns is important at a time where people really want guns in classrooms. Teachers need to be heard.
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“Of the 18 percent of teachers who said they would undergo training to carry, two-thirds are very confident that they would be able to effectively handle the gun in a live shooting situation and one-quarter are somewhat confident,”
And those 2/3 and 1/4 of respondent teachers lack self-understanding and are fooling themselves.
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