One of my favorite non-education bloggers is Andrew Tobias (except on the rare occasions when he ventures into education), who cuts through the economic morass with a fine scalpel and recognizes Trump for the phony that he is. I subscribe (free) at AndrewTobias.com. He gave me his permission to post his latest. Open here to read his links.
Tobias writes:
YOU Get $930! And YOU Get $930!”
John Grund, one of your fellow readers, offers this wonderfully clear analysis (thank you, John):
Here’s another way to think about the Republican tax bill: Think like an owner.
Sit down quietly and let your mind inventory all that you own as an American. I like to start with the Statue of Liberty. It was a gift from France to the American people; I’m an American person, so that includes me. And the Park Service charges admission, so there’s that.
From there, I like to fly over the country in my mind, surveying all that you and I own. All the beaches and waterways. All the roads and bridges. All the public lands and forests. All the great national landmarks and parks. All the wonderful buildings our fathers and mothers built for us: the libraries and colleges and theaters.
Take your time. It takes time to even touch on how much there is. The public hospitals and clinics. The harbors and canals. The lighthouses and navigation markers. The reservoirs, rivers, lakes and water systems. The radio and television airwaves. The courts and city halls and schools. The warships, guns and warplanes.
And now reflect that corporations are granted a charter by the state (which you and I own, of course) that allows them to do business. And think of corporate taxes as the rent those corporations pay for using all that we own – the roads to deliver their products, the monetary system the underpins commerce, the police to keep their trucks safe, the schools to train their workers, the military to protect it all.
The Republican tax bill cuts the rent you earn on all that property. The corporate tax rate drops from 35 percent to 21 percent of profits.
Now perhaps you are a gracious and benevolent landlord, and you say you don’t really mind giving your renters a break. You’re feeling generous.
But remember you have a mortgage against all that property, too. It’s the national debt, and you use the rents – the taxes – you receive as owner to pay off that mortgage. And remember that the rents have to pay for upkeep on all that property. Are the roads and bridges in great shape, with plenty of money squirreled away to keep them that way? Or are they in dire need of long-delayed maintenance and restoration?
This is one case where it is right to think like an owner, because that is what you are. Be a calculating landlord when you consider the Republican tax bill.
Isn’t that kinda great?
One could certainly tinker with the implementation. For example, how about revenue-neutral corporate tax reform? Adopt the more-globally-competitive 21% were adopted — but pay for it by closing loopholes that most big corporations have been using to pay far less than the nominal 35% rate.
But the gist of John’s essay, I think, is exactly right.
Again, I urge you to watch Reagan budget director David Stockman’s critique of the massively ill-advised tax cut.
And again, note how beyond nuts — how bizarro-world — it is that this tax bill, designed to help the middle class (yeah, right), and that’s gonna cost Trump a fortune, “believe me” (yeah right), includes a special provision for real estate developers like Trump.
I’m all for the much-heralded $1,000 bonuses a few million employees (maybe 5% of American workers?) have gotten from corporate employers . . . perhaps in part to curry favor with the strong man in the White House, perhaps in part to help Republicans hold Congress in the next election, and surely in part because they’d like to do something nice for their valued employees. That’s great.
And I’m all for the modest but real tax breaks many middle-class Americans will see (if we can afford them; though: can we afford them?). Bloomberg estimates $930 a year for people in the middle fifth of taxpayers ($60 for people in the bottom fifth). But don’t you get it? The motivation here is to help those at the top. You get $930! And you get $930! And you get $930! And — if I’m in the top 1% — I get $51,140. Unless I’m in the top tenth of that group — $193,380. Unless I’m in the top tenth of that group — where Trump and his friend Carl Icahn and his pal Wilbur Ross and his pals Sheldon Adelson and the Mercers and Betsy Devos presumably are. That number Bloomberg doesn’t even try to estimate, but it would be a lot higher.
When the ultra-rich were taxed at a 90% top federal tax rate (Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower), it was too high (though designed to lower our National Debt, relative to the economy as a whole, which it did help do). And when they were taxed at 70% (Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter) it was still too high (though it, too, helped shrink the Debt relative to the economy as a whole). Even when they were taxed at 50% (Reagan’s first cut), I would argue it may have been too high.
But, with his second cut, Reagan, and then Bush 43, and now Trump have exploded the National Debt — borrowing not to build infrastructure that’s been crumbling for 35 years, but to enrich the already-rich by cutting their taxes to record-low levels.
Criminal.
Well, not literally. But immoral.
And dishonest (Bush told us “by far the vast majority” of his tax cut would go to people “at the bottom”).
And . . . well, tragic.
Only Clinton and Obama managed to turn the deficits around, leaving their successors with economies growing faster than the debt . . . thus shrinking the debt relative to the economy as a whole.
This massively irresponsible Republican tax cut reverses that, once more. It puts us back over $1 trillion in deficit spending . . . gets the debt growing faster than the economy again, as under Reagan, Bush, and Bush . . . and is sold to the voters as, “Look! You get $930! And you get $930!” (And me? Don’t bother your pretty little head with that. If you can’t trust Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan and Devin Nunez and Vladimir Putin — Trump trusts him, why shouldn’t we? — whom can you trust?)
Right?
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If this isn’t IMMORAL, I don’t know what is.
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Year one of the Trump administration: Normalizing itself by working for the top 1 percent
The cynicism is clearest when considering the signature piece of legislation signed by Trump, the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA). The TCJA provides a number of temporary tax cuts to households, most of which will accrue to those at the top of the income distribution. But it saves its permanent tax cuts for the nation’s corporations, whose profits eventually flow overwhelmingly to the richest households in America. By 2027, when the household tax cuts have expired but the corporate tax cuts remain, the top 1 percent will see 83 percent of the gains from the TCJA. Corporations have been so giddy about the windfall they’ve reaped from the TCJA that they’ve mounted an absurdly transparent public relations campaign on its behalf, claiming that every bonus and wage increase they have bestowed since its passage was somehow the result of it—even those that occurred before the TCJA actually took effect. This is, needless to say, not how economics argues that tax cuts can potentially boost wages. It’s also important to note that in any given year about half of all workers see raises, and nearly 40 percent receive bonuses. In short, it is extremely likely that not a single worker who wasn’t a high-placed CEO or corporate manager has seen a raise because of the TCJA. And if they got a bonus this year because of the TCJA, it was a likely a one-time attempt by their employer to sneak in a deductible expense before the tax cuts made these deductions less profitable, and no future TCJA-linked bonuses will be seen again…
http://www.epi.org/blog/year-one-of-the-trump-administration/
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I hope some of the members of the NRA are middle-class too.
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The more things change, the more they stay the same:
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Koch Bros. Second Amendment version:
This land is my land
It is not your land
I have a shotgun
And you ain’t got one
If you don’t get off
I’ll blow your head off
This land was made for only me
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Also sounds like it could be Cliven Bundy’s version.
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Trickle down economics = piss on peeons!
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pee-ons.
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Thanks . I used to like Country Joe McDonald covering woody . Helps stop the vomiting .
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Gimme an F. . .
Gimme a U. . .
Gimme a C. . .
Gimme a . . . .
What’s that spell?
What’s that spell?. . .
Well com’n all you big young men. . . . .
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Duane: I saw this and thought it sort of fit your comment. I know this has nothing to do with anything but I’m posting it anyway.
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Penis whitening fad worries surgeons in Thailand…Straights Times Singapore
…Earlier this month, a Bangkok clinic said 100 men a month were making use of its penis whitening service just six months after it started offering the procedure.
The clinic charged about US$650 (S$858) for five laser sessions.
According to global statistics produced by the International Society of Aesthetic Plastic Surgery (ISAPS), Thailand ranked 21st in terms of the number of cosmetic procedures performed in 2016…
http://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/penis-whitening-fad-worries-surgeons-in-thailand?xtor=EREC-16-1%5BST_Newsletter_AM%5D-20180205-%5B%5D&xts=538291&utm_source=google_gmail&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany
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I shuddered when I read that. Those men are insane. They must have Trump syndrome.
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Duane E Swacker
I was there for that helicopter scene. Just think we thought we going to change the world . Then they came up first with the draft lottery and then the volunteer army. Creating a generation of “jelly bellied flag waving arm chair patriots ” Watching shock and awe on CNN. Grovelling over Commander bone spurs .. The hero of New York Military Academy for wayward putzes .
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Just curious, but are these surgeons in Thailand who are worried about this the same ones doing this “penis whitening procedure”?
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There seems to be no lower bound on the stupidity of humans.
Most Dinosaurs are not known for being particularly intelligent, but I doubt even Brontosaurus (thought to be one of the dumber ones) would have paid for “penis whitening” — not $650, at least.
It took a comet to wipe out the Dinos, but at the current rate humans are going to do it to ourselves.
No comet required.
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https://store.cdbaby.com/cd/dhbdrake4 Go to CDBaby and check out No Child Left Behind? Bring back the Joy. No bubble test sheets or unfair standards; These schools are made for you and me
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A teacher is supposed to be grateful for a $1.50 a week raise? I’m not sure how to be positive on that since I know exactly how much can be purchased with a $3.00 increase in my (past) teaching-twice-a-month paychecks. Does Ryan think all of us are that stupid? Even a $930 a year increase doesn’t help much. When the day of reckoning comes and this deficit has to be paid back, who will be paying more in taxes, the donor class or the middle class and the poor? I wouldn’t bet on the donor class having to pay.
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Headline: Paul Ryan deletes tweet celebrating woman’s $1.50 weekly raise tied to GOP tax bill
It seemed like a safe move: Paul Ryan was tweeting out an Associated Press story detailing how the Republican-passed tax reform bill was increasing the size of some workers’ paychecks.
But the anecdote the Republican Speaker of the House chose to highlight caused some controversy.
“A secretary at a public high school in Lancaster, PA, said she was pleasantly surprised her pay went up $1.50 a week … she said (that) will more than cover her Costco membership for the year,” he tweeted.
Some companies like Disney, Lowe’s, Home Depot, State Farm and Jet Blue have announced that they are handing out bonuses to employees after the December passage of the tax plan. And the non-partisan Tax Policy Center predicts an average middle-income household will see their after-tax income rise by 1.6 percent this year because of the plan, according to The Associated Press. That’s about $930.
Still, many on Twitter wondered why Ryan celebrated a $78 annual raise, including California Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, who wrote “you shouldn’t go around praising yourself for giving a working person an extra $1.50 a week.”
http://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article198288789.html
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In a 40 hour work week that isn’t even four cents per hour.
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I think it’s about 45 cents per hour. .45 x 40 x 52 if you are lucky enough to work all year 40 hours per week. Makes me feel richer every day (and I’m retired!). Pew research said that the median household income in 2016 was $59,036. Middle class is between 67% and 200% of the median. $930 is a .016% raise for those median households. Whoopy doo!
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I was referring to the $1.50 a week that Ryan was extolling.
As far as the $930 – that won’t even cover a Friday night pizza for the year.
I just had my roof replaced for $13,000 – what am I going to do with $930?
Yeah, they’ll give me a little bit, but my taxes are through the roof – federal, local, county, school, sales taxes not to mention all those fees (another form of taxes).
What they give with one hand, they take away with the other.
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My bad. I used to get those types of raises as a teacher’s aide. When I heard about Ryan’s reaction, I couldn’t believe it. Sarcasm is almost part of my birthright. Her Costco comment caught me as pure snark.
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Don’t forget insurance
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$1.50 a week, Ryan says?
If one saved for 3 weeks, one could buy a roll of duct tape to use to tape Ryan’s mouth shut, so who says it’s not useful?
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Paul Ryan tweeted that a secretary in a Pennsylvania public school was happy to get an extra $1.50 in her check. She still probably loses with the increases health coverage and will lose further when the people’s cuts expire. People jumped all over Ryan on Twitter. One person answered,”The Koch brothers got millions extra in their check, enough to buy another Paul Ryan.” Shortly after, Ryan deleted his tweet.
This tax scam is setting us up for failure. Next, the Republicans will want to “reform” our social safety nets. The tax cuts for corporations will ultimately cost the rest of us more as we will pay more to offset their cut, or we will have to shrink the government. This is what the libertarians want.
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Retired teacher: this is a cut/paste on a longer article put out by Americans for Tax Fairness
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Analysis: Koch Brothers Could Get Up To $1.4 Billion Tax Cut From Law They Helped Pass
A new analysis by Americans for Tax Fairness estimates that Charles Koch and David Koch and/or Koch Industries could save between $1 billion and $1.4 billion combined in income taxes each year from the Trump tax law―and that doesn’t even count how much the brothers might save in taxes on offshore profits or how much their heirs will benefit from weakening the estate tax.
Last week’s FEC filings show that the Kochs made a $500,000 contribution to “Team Ryan”―a joint fundraising committee benefiting Ryan, the National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) and a pro-Paul Ryan PAC. On top of that, the Kochs gave an additional quarter million to the NRCC.
The Kochs made securing big tax cuts for themselves and their corporation a key goal for their political network in 2017. The Koch groups spent over $20 million promoting the tax bill that ultimately became law, according to a fact sheet they provided to the Wall Street Journal. Their efforts included town halls, door-to-door canvassing, and television ads—not to mention direct lobbying—in favor of the tax cuts. Now that the bill is law, they’ve pledged to spend millions more promoting it to the public in an effort to protect the members of Congress who voted for it.
That’s not a bad return on investment: what’s $20 million when you’re looking at a billion or more in tax breaks?
The Koch brothers are tied for 8th richest person in the world, with each worth over $48 billion. They run Koch Industries, the second biggest private corporation in America, a conglomerate they inherited from their father with an estimated $100 billion in annual revenue.
In total, the Kochs are planning to inject $300-400 million into the 2018 elections, seeking to defeat those who opposed their tax cuts…
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Or, we could cut military spending by about 40%, put in place a wall street transaction tax, and return the federal income tax rates for the top 10% back to the Eisenhower era rate structure. The USA would have a surplus in about 8 to 10 years, and actually could increase the social benefits for all.
Never happen, though, because guns and god! Our citizenry will continue to vote incorrectly, even though it has and is continuing to destroy them economically. But they do not appear concerned, because CHEEZUS has told them that if they support the evil billionaires, then they will be rewarded, too! Ah, religion – refuge of the willfully ignorant.
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I like the way you think!
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YEP! You got that right!
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“Never happen, though, because guns and god! Our citizenry will continue to vote incorrectly, even though it has and is continuing to destroy them economically. ”
You, of course, are incorrect.
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Or, we could cut military spending by about 40%, put in place a wall street transaction tax, and return the federal income tax rates for the top 10% back to the Eisenhower era rate structure. The USA would have a surplus in about 8 to 10 years, and actually could increase the social benefits for all.
Never happen, though, because guns and god! Our citizenry will continue to vote incorrectly, even though it has and is continuing to destroy them economically. But they do not appear concerned, because CHEEZUS has told them that if they support the evil billionaires, then they will be rewarded, too! Ah, religion – refuge of the willfully ignorant.
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Sorry for the double post, I clicked too quickly.
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retired teacher: I have a comment that is longer but is ‘In moderation”. Here is a very shortened version. (I’ll see if it goes through.)
A new analysis by Americans for Tax Fairness estimates that Charles Koch and David Koch and/or Koch Industries could save between $1 billion and $1.4 billion combined in income taxes each year from the Trump tax law―and that doesn’t even count how much the brothers might save in taxes on offshore profits or how much their heirs will benefit from weakening the estate tax.
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” Charles Koch and David Koch and/or Koch Industries could save between $1 billion and $1.4 billion ”
I would stay away from using the word “save” in the above. I’d replace it with something more appropriate like “take between $1-1.4 billion away from the working class” or “steal between $1-1.4 billion away from the working class”.
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“This Land was made for Betsy D.” (Apologies to Woody Guthrie)
This land is Koch Land, this land is Gates Land
From California to the New York island
From the Public schoolhouse, to the drinking waters
This land was made for Betsy D.
As I went walking that ribbon of Amway
I saw above me that endless scamway
And saw below me that Goldman valley
This land was made for Betsy D.
This land is Koch Land, this land is Gates Land
From California to the New York island
From the Public schoolhouse, to the drinking waters
This land was made for Betsy D.
I roamed and rambled and I followed the vouchers
To the sparkling scores of the miracle charters
And all around me , a voice was sounding
This land was made for Betsy D.
This land is Koch Land, this land is Gates Land
From California to the New York island
From the Public schoolhouse, to the drinking waters
This land was made for Betsy D.
In the shadow of the steeple I saw my people,
By the relief office I seen my people;
As they stood there hungry, I stood there thinking
This land was made for Betsy D.
This land is Koch Land, this land is Gates Land
From California to the New York island
From the Public schoolhouse, to the drinking waters
This land was made for Betsy D.
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I declare a singalong!
This land is Koch’s Land, it isn’t your land,
Land that’s so sav’ry, but built on slave’ry.
You thought you were free, had democracy,
Forgot plantation mentality.
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Good one!
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One of your best, Poet!
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So, Ryan received nearly $500,000 in campaign donations from the Koch brothers less than two weeks after the House passed the tax bill. Isn’t there something WRONG with this? I’d say Ryan was bought out. No wonder he looked so happy when the tax bill was passed.
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Paul Ryan deletes tax bill tweet after being dragged for not understanding math
..Signed into law last December, the tax bill has been repeatedly touted by Republican lawmakers and President Trump as crucial legislation meant to help U.S. workers. In reality, the bill gave corporations a permanent tax cut, lowering the rate from 35 to 21 percent. Meanwhile, individual tax cuts expire in 2025 — greatly mitigating any initial benefit to most taxpayers.
To put that in the context of the story Ryan shared, Costco paid $1.3 billion in taxes on 3.7 billion in earnings two years ago. The new tax law, with a lower corporate tax rate, will save Costco about $520 million per year, over $5.2 billion over the next 10 years. The woman Paul Ryan bragged about helping will only save $78 per year over the next eight years — so she will save $624 in total…
As ThinkProgress’ Rebekah Entralgo reported, the payoffs to the working class simply aren’t significant:
A number of companies, including Wells Fargo, Boeing, AT&T, and Comcast, have all announced similar bonuses for their employees in recent days, with most handing out lump sums of around $1,000 per person. While the numbers may appear promising, corporations are actually spending less than one percent of their tax windfall on bonuses for employees.
As a reminder, Ryan himself received a nearly $500,000 campaign donation from the Koch brothers less than two weeks after the House of Representatives passed the tax bill in December…
https://thinkprogress.org/paul-ryan-twitter-math-b62f5b897b70/
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The so-called middle class tax cuts expire in a few years anyway. Lots of middle class people will spend more as healthcare premiums continue to rise.
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Yes! “the deep state is America’s permanent government — the US power structures that Americans don’t elect. ”
These power structures plainly have a vested interest in keeping America’s Orwellian surveillance structures in place, as evidenced by the intelligence community’s menacingly urgent demand for FISA renewal back in December. If there’s any thread to be pulled that really could make waves in the way Official Washingtonoperates, it is in the plot holes between the bipartisan scramble toward unconditional surveillance renewal and the highly partisan battle over exposing the abuse of those very powers.”
The term “deep state” does not mean “Democrats and Never-Trumpers” “as Republican pundits would have you believe, nor does the term refer to any kind of weird, unverifiable conspiracy theory. The deep state is in fact not a conspiracy theory at all, but simply a concept used in political analysis for discussing the undeniable fact that unelected power structures exist in America, and that they tend to form alliances and work together in some sense. ”
“There is no denying the fact that plutocrats, intelligence agencies, defense agencies and the mass media are both powerful and unelected, and there is no denying the fact that there are many convoluted and often conflicting alliances between them. All that can be debated is the manner and extent to which this is happening.
“If we’re going to see a gap in the bars of our cages, that’s a great place to keep our eyes trained, so keep watching. Watch what happens in a partisan war where both parties have a simultaneous interest in revealing as little of the game as possible and exposing the other party. Things could get very interesting.”
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“There is also a heavy dose of self-congratulation here, as if by doling out money, Walmart should earn a medal. But, let’s look closely at the reality. If you worked 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year at $11 per hour, with not a shred of time off, you would earn $22,880. The federal poverty rate for a family of four is $24,600 — and the formula for the official poverty rate understates the difficulty of surviving at that income level. ”
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/13/opinions/sams-club-walmart-corporate-greed-tasini-opinion/index.html
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Let’s remember that the Waltons closed a number of Sam’s Clubs at the same time and fired a lot of workers. They made a big splash about their $11 per hr. Many of their workers will still be eligible for food stamps, if they survive the cuts.
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All in the link
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“the schools to train their (the corporations) workers”
That isn’t correct. The public schools educate children to become citizens of the United States. Most job training takes place in vocational schools and/or colleges and at the corporations that hire workers because how work is done varies from corporation to corporation.
K-12 is also where children are taught to become life-long learners (if the child makes an effort to learn what’s taught). Once a life-long learner, they have the ability to learn new skills for a new job with a different corporation.
It would be impossible for the K-12 schools to train every child for a specific job when there are thousands of different jobs in many fields and even jobs in the same field are done differently between different companies.
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Way too much common sense there Lloyd!
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So what does a deferred year of social security cost a middle income couple who maxed out payroll taxes? 45,000 ,that’s coming next . Want to speculate on Medicare . 1100 hundred dollars a person will be cut even before they even go after Medicare’s structure. . Oh I am not worried my Union supplemental picks that short fall up. Those will be other people who get told they can no longer be treated because they have no supplemental, or face a rising supplemental not me. Yeah my Unions going to pick that 2200 for me and the wife , a special kind of stupid . And of course the medicaid cuts those are for poor people not granny in the nursing home . As the mandate disappears the costs in the private insurance market will go up . Not just in ACA but in employer provided insurance . Yeah the employer isn’t going to pass that cost to the worker . Want to buy Diane’s bridge.
And when they build infrastructure with Public Private Partnerships . The working class tax payer will have the joy of paying and paying and paying. . Why finance with Public Bonds at 3% when you can give Wall Street 15 % .
Because it takes a special type of stupid to be a Trumpanzee
Feel free to add to the list
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Please don’t tell me, Diane, that Andrew Tobias is a charter aficionado. He should read the analysis of Grundy a little bit more closely. We OWN our public schools. Why would we give them to the private sector?
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“When the ultra-rich were taxed at a 90% top federal tax rate (Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower), it was too high ”
Piketty writes in the “Capital of the 21st century” that this is the rate which is needed to stop the widening gap between the 1% and 88%.
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Andrew Tobias says even a rate of 50% was “still too high”
Too high for what?
Tobias is referring to people who are already “ultrarich”.
What possible difference would it make if Bill Gates made even ZERO additional income? (Other than the fact that he would have a little less money to circumvent the Democratic process with, as he did with Common Core, that is)
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Or at least 50% “may have been too high”, according to Tobias.
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Yeah, I couldn’t believe it when I saw that Tobias dared to write down that 50% cap. Is he thinking
Those people who produce their income by profiting from other people’s work should keep at least half of what they collected this way.
Isn’t it much more logical to think
Those people who produce their income by profiting from other people’s work should keep none of what they collected this way, and should pay back all the money in the form of taxes.
This logic would imply a tax code that is based on how much of one’s income is the result of other people’s work rather than on the amount of money they make. This would be the really transparent tax code: we’d know exactly where our taxes coming from, and we’d be much more confident in demanding how it’s spent. This would end sheepish insecurities like
Maybe we shouldn’t have free health care, daycare, higher ed. Instead, we should spend our taxes on our 1% so that they graciously allow us to work for them and take all the profit of our work.
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Now wait a minute. At the level of income where a 50% marginal tax might make sense, we are talking about investment not salary. As much as we hate the idea of someone making money where no physical effort is involved, the investment they are making is used by those who issued the stock to try to grow their brand, so to speak, whatever that might mean for that particular company. There is nothing safe or sure about these bets. You can win or lose. If we tax profits at too high a rate, the risk is no longer worth the investment. New ventures that used to be able to draw capital will no longer be able to do so. Obviously, we are a long way from damaging the economic viability of our system. There is no doubt in my mind that major changes need to be made and I am totally unqualified to make those kinds of decisions, witnessed by my simplistic explanation of the rationale behind investment. There is no doubt in my mind that individuals and some companies are tilting the playing field to their own advantage and at the expense of the majority. They are taking far beyond what they are giving not to mention what they are capable of giving. They are taking while doing their utmost not to contribute to the common good totally ignoring the role this country has played in their ability to accumulate so much, which means more and more of the burden falls on the “common” people. I really don’t understand what libertarians, in particular, are thinking. Don’t they use public services? Are they so devoid of care for their fellow man that they see no reason why their desires should preempt those of a democratic society that attempts to care for all its citizens?
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Clearly, you are fond of the stock market, and not only see nothing wrong with it, but it seems you think, it is necessary for a fair market.
Now, how much work do those people do who lend you money by investing into your company? Why should they make money without any work whatsoever?
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I’m so glad you have explained me so well to myself. You ought to sell your ability to so quickly pigeonhole people. I had not noticed that you were so quick to judge in the past.
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I put it badly. Sry. Isn’t the stock market one of big, even basic problems? People try to build and run business with unknown people’s money, and they make money for them? What’s a consistent headline even on NPR? The numbers for the stock market.
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Thank you for your apology. Your comment really surprised me. As to the stock market, I really am not a fan of people who are using it to essentially steal money, but there aren’t a lot of ways to grow your money without investing. My small pension depends on wise investment. My mattress will never be a solid investment strategy. My father was a financial analyst and invested money for a large company, so perhaps I don’t have quite the animus toward it that some have. He was respected in the industry for his expertise as well as his integrity. There is no question that there are more than a few people who are too impressed with themselves and their ability to wring money out of the system, but there are others who understand and care that the long term health of the economy and this country depend on planning for its (financial) future. Obama made some choices to protect large financial institutions from their own stupidity at a time when punishing them too severely could have collapsed the economy and sent us into another depression like the thirties. I would have liked to see a return to more stringent financial regulation, and I wouldn’t have shed one tear if some of the high muckety-mucks responsible for the collapse had ended up in prison. Lord knows there were many viable candidates. Too big to fail means too big to me, and I really don’t understand why there hasn’t been more obvious pressure to break up some of these humongous companies with interests so vast and diverse that it is hard to identify their core. I would like to see a return to a tax code that supports the health of our common goods and services. Trickle down has been just that, a trickle. My husband is a part owner of a small business that will probably die sometime in the not too distant future. It is a shame since the large more impersonal businesses that have taken over much of its core will never provide the same level of service, expertise or personal attention. Scaling everything up does not always lead to better product or service, a truth I think we are addressing in our battle to keep public schools governed by local communities.
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There is a fantastic docuseries on Netflix called Dirty Money, and one of the episodes is about the HSBC bank. Yeah, HSBC is too big to fail (and that’s part of the story), though they knowingly handled the money of international criminals. Watching this episode a few days ago made me think about the fact that the moneys invested in the stock market are of unknown origin. You may be running a nice little company but you may have the Koch brothers and drug lords among the investors, hence you increase their wealth.
Investing in the stock market appears to be a safer bet: you can check out the company before investing. But again, other investors into the same company could be criminals, and again your investment helps them increase their wealth (since your investment improves the company).
Yeah, I do understand the problem with trying to keep the value of pensions. It’s stupid to keep money in the mattress and in some places like Memphis, it’s outright dangerous.
So what can be done?
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There are bad actors everywhere just like there are good people as well. All we can do is our best. Can I really worry that some unsavory person may be making a profit off the same investment as I am? I do the best I can to educate myself, but, in the end, I have to leave those decisions to those from whom I may seek professional advice. I do my best to avoid corrupt venues, vote for progressive politicians and initiatives, turn the lights off and keep the thermostat low, etc., but, seriously, I am an aging, retired teacher.
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Actually, the stock market as a way to save money is short-term thinking because of the historical volatility of that market. The stock market is no different than going to Las Vegas and tossing dice on the crap table.
But think long-term and save 10-percent of what you earn every year, and keep that money in the highest interest paid insured bank investments.
For instance, Bank Tracker lists the best CD Rates Available.
Currently, Ally Bank is 2.4% APY and Capital One is 2.45% APY.
https://www.mybanktracker.com/cd-rates-funnel?placement=rate_table-cd-paid&term=60&lm=0&gclid=CjwKCAiAweXTBRAhEiwAmb3XuyRtAz-1vG2BN68dOUPiZnwtZ_dNOmpprwcFt8oNl1mRqGcfAKbYUhoCY4wQAvD_BwE
Average Salaries for US Men and Women
The BLS reports that for the fourth quarter of 2016, men earned a median average of $927 per week while women earned only $758 or 81.8 percent of what males earned.
Average Salary Based on Education
Workers age 25 and over without a high school degree had median weekly earnings of $519 at the end of 2016 compared with $698 for high school graduates. College graduates with at least a bachelor’s degree earned $1,270 per week.
College graduates with advanced degrees earned a median average of $1476 each week.
https://www.thebalance.com/average-salary-information-for-us-workers-2060808
How much will someone have saved and earned every decade if they save and don’t touch 10 percent of their earnings?
Let’s see, a high school graduate with median weekly earnings earns $36,296 annually. If they live within their means and they save that $3,600 annually and earn 2.45-percent on that annually, how much will they have in a decade, 20 years, 30 years, 40 years?
On the other hand, I had a friend who had paid off his house and saved $500,000 in his indie retirement accounts before he turned fifty and then he decided he could do much better in the stock market and become a millionaire so he borrows on his house and his retirement account and lost it all in a few years. Today he lives off of his SS and about an equal amount of money that comes in from the Network Marketing company he joined to also get rich but that didn’t make him wealthy either. If that former friend had stuck to the long-term plan, he would have been worth about $3-million today (counting the value of his house) without ever risking any money in the uninsured, risky stock market.
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If you play the stock market like a casino, you deserve to lose your money. There are plenty of mutual funds out there that will make you much more than CDs. It really takes someone who knows what they are doing to try to play the market. I did hear that the professionals are looking for bargains right now. The volatility provides opportunities to buy low and sell high. Historical earnings for stock market I believe are on average 6-7% with bonds a few percentage points lower. CDs were great back when interest rates were much higher, but right now they are hardly besting inflation. When inflation is high, interest rates are high, but when inflation is high everything costs more.
I did save ~10% of my income/year. That money and the investment income generated is my pension. I believe you have a few years on me although not many, Lloyd. Neither one of us should be heavy into equities, and if you have never invested before now is obviously not the time to start, especially when you don’t know what you are doing. I want what I have to outlast me; I don’t want to be a burden to my kids.
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I invested and I lost about $40k on one mutual fund that went bankrupt and made about $125k on one stock for a company called USANA. I bought several thousand shares when they were less than a dollar each, and about a decade later sold them at $45.00 a share. I should have held on because they climbed up to $65 a share a couple of years later.
I also taught for thirty years and paid into CalSTRS retirement system.
Even SS pays me $150 a month.
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I forgot, I also made some smaller investments when I could and I’ve been cashing them out annually for the last decade (about $7k a year). This is my last year for that.
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Tobias is a Harvard Business School grad, so it’s not surprising that his sense is infused with nonsense. George Dumbya Bush is another brilliant Harvard MBA.
His wealthy Harvard grad colleagues in the financial sector may consider $ 930 a mere pittance, but for some of us, it is not..
Yes, I know that the wealthy will get a lot more back, but telling people who actually need the $930 that it doesn’t mean anything is not likely to be a winning political strategy.
In my opinion, a degree from Harvard Business school is a big red flag that says “WARNING: Take these claims with a big block of salt”.
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“telling people who actually need the $930 that it doesn’t mean anything is not likely to be a winning political strategy.”
My thinking exactly. Instead, focus on what needs to be sacrificed in order to get that $930, but in the message try to be positive as Lakoff advises.
I dunno if this is positive enough: “I’d like great health care, so can you break it down for me how the tax cuts will provide that for me if money is taken away from the health care budget to pay for my tax break?”
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I hope that $930 is after taxes. If not it’ll be a lot less.
Now if the return was $930 a month – that would change people’s lives and stimulate the economy.
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“Now if the return was $930 a month – that would change people’s lives and stimulate the economy.”
Huh. That would lower tax revenue and would take away from, say, all support for public education or social security, medicaid.
Do we start pretending that taxes are not needed?
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Re: investment
Gates and other very wealthy folks would still invest even if the standard income tax rate were 100% because the capital gains rate is much lower and that is actually how they make most of their money, at any rate.
This is why Warren Buffet famously said that he was taxed at a lower rate than his secretary.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/aug/18/warren-buffett/warren-buffett-says-super-rich-pay-lower-taxes-oth/
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Ed reformers are telling parents that teachers won’t be replaced by the online tech garbage they’re all selling. but IN FACT, that is now what they tell superintedents:
“But while critics say ERDI provides opportunities for clients to sell to superintendents, the 2011 ERDI Innovation Conference provided more than just that.
Presenter Vander Ark told the audience at the Discovery Education-sponsored event to start “piloting upper division, online courses.” He said, “Stop offering (Advanced Placement) AP courses” in the classroom. Instead, “offer those online. You can offer all 32 (classes) at consistent quality for less money than you’re currently doing it,” he said. (BCPS has a $10 million contract with Discovery Education, a provider of digital curriculum.)”
Vander Ark goes on to say staff will be reduced.
The plan is to replace teachers in low and middle income schools with this garbage.
They’re are deliberately misleading public school parents.
Vander Ark told the audience of education leaders that the reduction in teachers would “improve productivity.”
“It means a different staffing model which costs less and works better,” he said. “It means a tough set of conversations…”
Please don’t buy what they’re selling. It’s a rip off for your students.
http://thebaltimorepost.com/technology-teacher-consulting-firm-ties-baltimore-county-big-plans
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I was hunting for something positive in Indiana concerning vouchers and charter schools. Wasn’t successful in that hunt but came up with the fact that Betsy DeVos’s family have personally contributed $1,525,000 to GOP pro-voucher Hoosiers and PACs. Isn’t this a conflict of interest? Apparently nothing is too rotten for the disgusting unfits placed by the Orange Hair Monster.
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Analysis | How Mike Pence expanded Indiana’s controversial voucher program when he was governor from The Washington Post
…The passage of the voucher bills and tax write-offs were hailed then by Betsy DeVos, then a school choice advocate and now U.S. education secretary, who said, “We thank Governor Daniels and the Indiana Legislature for working so hard to make widespread school choice a reality across the state.”
Since 2011, the political action committees (PACs) of the American Federation for Children, which she co- founded, have contributed $1,040,540 to Republican pro-voucher Hoosiers and PACs. DeVos family members, including Betsy and her husband Dick, have personally contributed $1,525,000 to Indiana candidates or PACs since the voucher law was put in place. Their prior contributions (1998 to 2010) in that state totaled only $62,000…
http://wapo.st/2DRz15I?tid=ss_mail&utm_term=.c0fce81ffecb
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My last paycheck was indeed bigger than usual. I wrote a check to the Fresh Air Fund. In fact, I’ll probably give this tax break money away until the federal government comes to its senses.
I hate to think that some of my elderly neighbors will lose their meals on wheels delivery so the wealthiest Americans can receive a tax break they don’t need.
In the final analysis, I guess, I’m tired of avarice and idiocy masquerading as an ideology.
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Rest assured that the people benefitting the most will not be giving their tax break away.
And the elephant in the room is the corporate tax rate reduction and the huge tax windfall that corporations like Apple and Microsoft just got that taxes their offshore cash holdings at just 15% rather than at 35%.
Apple just saved over $40 billion and Microsoft about $20 billion due to this resume on. All told, there is an estimated $2.5 trillion cash held offshore by some of America’s largest corporations. If you figure each company will pay 20% less in corporate taxes on their offshore holdings, that amounts to $500 billion in “savings” to the corporations — money that would — should — have gone to the American people.
Not incidentally, the corporate tax rate was around 50% from 1950 to 1980 and even under the 35% rate (which began in the mid 80’s) many of the biggest corporations were paying less than the full amount (some were paying no taxes and some like Boeing actually got money back each year for many years, despite making a large part of their money from government contracts! )
It is estimated that the latest reduction from 35% to 21% will reduce federal revenue by 1.5 trillion over the next decade.
And the new corporate rate will be only 40% of what it was in the three decades from 1950-1980.
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SomeDAM Poet: This is Trump’s take on how wonderful the tax cut is. The lies never end. This was just sent out from the WH:
What tax cuts mean for Ohio
This afternoon, President Donald J. Trump visits Cincinnati, Ohio, for the second time during his Administration. He’ll be joined by Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and Republican legislators from Ohio to discuss what tax cuts and reform has meant for the state.
The President will tell Ohioans that since he signed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act in late December, more than 300 companies have delivered bonuses, raises, or 401(k) investments to more than 3 million American workers. The result of the bill has been historic tax relief for Americans not seen since President Ronald Reagan’s Administration.
Before he speaks to Ohioans, President Trump will participate in a tour of the Sheffer Corporation—a manufacturer of hydraulic, pneumatic, and custom cylinders—and meet with Ohio business leaders.
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I have no idea what the top marginal tax rate should be or where it should be set. It is beyond ridiculous right now. I will say again that I have no expertise in economics or tax policy. You are right about capital gains tax right now, but I am assuming that it too would be raised as part of any sane tax plan. the same with the ability to offshore/hide profits. Trump’s tax plan is just the latest in a long list of “adjustments” meant to benefit the wealthiest at the expense of 99% of the population. It is quite clear that this plan will lead to the further decline not only of our living standard, impoverishing even more of us, but it will also lead to the further weakening of those institutions and services designed to benefit the public good. The Koch’s and their ilk have used the myth of rugged individualism to push their libertarian policy.
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Headline: Good News! Phony Billionaire Charter Group Collapses
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Diane, I just tried to access your ‘Good News! Phony Billionaire Charter Group Collapses’ and got the above notice. Is there something screwy happening? I tried three times to access the comment section and got the above notice each time. This has never happened before.
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This from the WH:
‘Four magnificent words’
President Trump addressed workers at an Ohio manufacturing company yesterday, talking through the effects of tax reform and previewing what the Administration will fight for in 2018.
“Right here in Cincinnati, the Sheffer Corporation announced every single worker was getting a $1,000 tax cut bonus,” the President said. “That’s good. Hard working patriotic Americans like you are what makes this country run.”
At heart, tax relief is about reinvigorating the great middle class that built America. “We’re bringing back those four magnificent words: ‘Made in the USA,’” the President said.
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This comes from a former worker at Carrier in Indiana:
I was betrayed by Donald Trump – Chicago Tribune (Carrier employee in Indiana)
…Instead of punishing companies like Carrier that ship good jobs overseas, he’s rewarding them with federal tax dollars. Under the Trump administration, Carrier’s parent company, United Technologies Corp., received more than $1 billion in lucrative government contracts…
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-carrier-jobs-trump-0205-story.html#share=email~story
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Oh good. If this happens I’m hoping the military in unison turns and all flip our “Great Leader’ the bird. Good grief! This smacks of China and N. Korea. Do we really need to brag about our overextended military when we spend more than the next 7 countries combined? It will pass Trump Hotel so this whole thing is a money maker for the Orange Hair Monster. President bone spur in action.
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Trump Saw A Military Parade In France And Now He Wants One Of His Very Own
And it looks like he’s going to get it…HuffPost
By Antonia Blumberg
President Donald Trump has instructed government officials to start planning for a massive military parade to take place in Washington, D.C., sometime this year, The Washington Post reported on Tuesday.
The Pentagon confirmed the Post’s report on Tuesday. “We are aware of the request and are looking at possible dates,” Pentagon spokesman Charlie Summers told reporters, according to NBC.
Trump, who has never served in the armed forces and avoided the Vietnam War draft on account of bone spurs, has long dreamed of showing off the United States’ military prowess in a large public display.
After he won the presidential election, Trump’s staff confounded officials by asking the Pentagon to send photographs of military tactical vehicles that he might include in his inaugural parade.
Confronted with the potential image of tanks and missile launchers rolling down Pennsylvania Avenue, some worried it might resemble the massive military parades in North Korea, a source involved in inaugural preparations told HuffPost last year. They were also concerned that the heavy tanks could damage D.C. roads.
But the president appears to have had better luck with his vision the second time around.
“The marching orders were: I want a parade like the one in France,” a military official told the Post. “This is being worked at the highest levels of the military.”
Trump attended a Bastille Day celebration in Paris last year as a guest of French President Emmanuel Macron and reportedly walked away “awestruck.”
“It was one of the greatest parades I’ve ever seen,” Trump, seated next to Macron, told reporters at the United Nations General Assembly in New York in September. “It was two hours on the button, and it was military might, and I think a tremendous thing for France and for the spirit of France.”
“We’re going to have to try to top it,” he added.
Officials have yet to decide on a date for the parade, the Post reported, though Veterans Day on Nov. 11 is currently a strong contender. Trump has reportedly said he hopes the display would run along Pennsylvania Avenue and pass by Trump International Hotel.
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This is the type of person who supports Trump? This woman is crazy. No wonder she is a supporter of Trump and his clan. Jesus would support a religion that not only prays but actually steps out to help those who are in need. The poor, those who are unhealthy and those with no housing would be high on the list. This woman has spent too much time on the farm and has grown into a full-blown nut case.
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Trump campaign evangelical adviser raises furor with flu remarks
An evangelical minister who advised President Donald Trump’s campaign sparked an uproar Tuesday by suggesting that Christian faith makes people immune from the flu.
Texas minister Gloria Copeland, who sat on the Trump campaign’s evangelical executive advisory board, denied the country is in the midst of a severe flu outbreak in a Facebook video that went viral because, “Jesus himself is our flu shot. He redeemed us from the curse of the flu.”..
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/06/public-health-groups-pan-flu-comments-from-former-trump-evangelical-adviser-327867
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