Congratulations to Carol Dweck of Stanford University for winning the first annual Yidan Prize, which is a prize of $3.9 million. She won for her work on “growth mindset,” which I tended to think was akin to “The Little Engine Who Could,” who climbed a difficult mountain by saying “I think I can, I think I can,” and he did. That was, as I was growing up, the optimistic spirit of the 1940s and 1950s, as seen by a child.
I like what Dweck said in Hong Kong as she received the prize. She told her Chinese hosts to get rid of the “cram culture” that is common in their schools.
From the South China Post:
“Children’s learning should be joyful and focused on understanding and inquiry – rather than the drilling that Hong Kong schools have become known for – a renowned psychologist, recently in the city to receive the world’s biggest education prize, has said.
“Professor Carol Dweck’s remarks come as the city’s government prepares to announce whether a standard test often associated with high-pressure rote learning will continue next year.
Dweck, from Stanford University in the US, was in Hong Kong last week to collect the inaugural Yidan Prize for Education Research, for her groundbreaking research on the power of the “growth mindset”, based on the belief that intelligence is not fixed and can be developed over time, given the right approach.
“The prize was started in 2016 by Charles Chen Yidan, co-founder of mainland tech giant Tencent. It comprises one award for education research and another for education development. Each laureate receives a gold medal and HK$30 million (US$3.9 million)…
“After years of research, Dweck – whose findings have been implemented in countries such as the US, Norway and Peru – found that children with a “fixed mindset” would worry whether they were smart and would succeed in life and stop caring about learning. Those with a “growth mindset”, she found, could joyfully learn and develop their abilities.
“But Dweck noted that the concept was not about telling children to work hard, which is common in Hong Kong, where many parents view academic success as paramount to their children’s future.
“Chinese culture is already telling children to work hard. That’s not growth mindset because they’re working hard for the product, not for the growth or the joy of learning,” she said.
“The professor also warned against “tiger parenting” – referring to demanding parents, particularly in Asian cultures, pushing their children to attain high grades using methods such as relentless drilling.
“She said these students could be extremely anxious, and feel worthless and depressed if they did not succeed at something.
“She said the “growth mindset” should instead be about focusing on understanding, questioning and thinking, and results would follow after that.
“The Hong Kong government is expected to announce in the next two months whether the Primary Three Territory-wide System Assessment will continue next year. Originally designed to enhance learning and teaching by providing the government with data to review policies, the assessment has become associated with a drilling culture in Hong Kong.
“This has led parents and educators to call for the test to be scrapped, ending the pressure it puts on pupils, and for the curriculum to be reviewed as a whole. The government recently began a review of primary and secondary school curriculums.“
Carol Dweck could be a huge force in prodding the authorities in China to renounce the cram culture, and that would benefit the world. She just might help to save the next generation from the Testocracy.
Congratulations, Professor Dweck!

I usually find it worthwhile to check in with Alfie Kohn: https://www.salon.com/2015/08/16/the_education_fad_thats_hurting_our_kids_what_you_need_to_know_about_growth_mindset_theory_and_the_harmful_lessons_it_imparts/
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Dienne77 I’d read your posts if I thought you knew what you were talking about.
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The post that you are replying to consisted of eleven of my own words. I’m sorry you did not understand them.
Alfie Kohn, however, strives to make his work extremely clear and understandable for the lay reader. Your hatred of me should not blind you to his excellent work.
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She totally knows what she’s talking about, and thanks for the passive agressive response, we find them amusing.
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Thanks, Jon.
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Thanks for the link Dienne!
When assessing “growth,” it would behoove us to be mindful of the unevenness of the playing field and the impact of systemic racism.
The assertion that a commenter does not know what she is talking about is disrespectful and unnecessary.
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Thanks, Abigail.
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Having tremendous respect for, and being in constant agreement with both Dienne and Catherine, this is painful to witness. Everyone shake hands, go back to your corners, and at the bell, come out fighting for equal rights!
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“Everyone’s an education expert — except the ones who are”
The teacher gets advice
From everyone it seems
From billionaire and psych
Professor and her schemes
The teacher’s often pulled
Both this-a-way and that
And never asked, but told
To follow latest fad
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That one belongs under glass on every principal’s desk.
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From Alfie Kohn:
“This sort of attack on spoiled kids and permissive (or excessive) parenting is nothing new — and most of its claims dissolve on close inspection. Alas, Dweck not only has failed to speak out against, or distance herself from, this tendentious use of her ideas but has put a similar spin on them herself. She has allied herself with gritmeister Angela Duckworth and made Stossel-like pronouncements about the underappreciated value of hard work and the perils of making things too easy for kids, pronouncements that wouldn’t be out of place at the Republican National Convention or in a small-town Sunday sermon. Indeed, Dweck has endorsed a larger conservative narrative, claiming that “the self-esteem movement led parents to think they could hand their children self-esteem on a silver platter by telling them how smart and talented they are.” (Of course, most purveyors of that narrative would be just as contemptuous of praising kids for how hard they’d tried, which is what Dweck recommends.)
“Moreover, as far as I can tell, she has never criticized a fix-the-kid, ignore-the-structure mentality or raised concerns about the “bunch o’ facts” traditionalism in schools. Along with many other education critics, I’d argue that the appropriate student response to much of what’s assigned isn’t “By golly, with enough effort, I can do this!” but “Why the hell should anyone have to do this?” Dweck, like Duckworth, is conspicuously absent from the ranks of those critics.”
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I was distracted by the back and forth when you posted these comments, Dienne, and failed to really look at what Alfie Kohn had to say about Growth Mindset. I woke up in the middle of the night just now with school website nightmares. (Yes, I have nightmares about data. Yes, even during vacation.) Kohn makes many good points. Teaching ought not be a system of rewards and punishments, but a system of shared exploration, research and discussion. Okay, back to sleep.
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If eliminating drill and kill test prep is what Dweck’s work is really about, someone should inform everyone in my CORE district of that. Growth Mindset has been presented to me, top down, time and again as a way to raise test scores. Perhaps her work has been twisted by our test obsessed culture.
I was not part of the self-esteem movement. I can’t say I have ever gone around my classroom telling people how smart they were. So, when my district tells me to stop telling people they’re smart and instead tell them they’re hard workers, it doesn’t hit home. I give compliments with my eyes, I suppose.
Dweck’s work is probably like many ideas, twisted by tests.
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Moderation now? Really, blog site?
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Yes, and see below.
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inservice: Tried to post about the Core District entrapment, three times but no luck.
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It’s not Diane’s fault, but this post is glitchy. Frustrating.
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Diane We do want kids to be as in-love with their own learning as they are when they are babies exploring their universe, even if it’s just crawling across the rug to get to a toy, and the joy they obviously feel when the reach it. What systematically turns children off is that, in their early years, the motivational power of educative forces becomes polemical, changing from coming-from-within to coming-from-without–often too much, too little, and out of place and time.
Of course, we all need both kinds of motivation; and so the movement of pedagogy must be dialectical, delivered in known cultural-familial contexts, and with theoretically-known developmental patterns of childhood.
That said, and from your post (only), it sounds like Dweck is “moving the dialectical pendulum” in China away from an overplay (from an extreme) of outside influences towards internal motivational powers, and that’s a good thing.
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My longer comment was lost in moderation, but let me just say that Common Core proponents in my district have presented Growth Mindset as a way to raise test scores. The district may have twisted the message, but the message I received was to never tell kids they are smart, but that anyone can work hard to raise. test. scores.
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Maybe you misheard them and the folks who want to raise test scores actually said “gross mindset”
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and “gross” can be defined in so many ways and from what I’m reading almost all of those definitions are negative. What definition fits best what the corproate reformers of public education really mean.
GROSS
(especially of wrongdoing) very obvious and unacceptable; blatant.
“gross human rights abuses”
(of income, profit, or interest) without deduction of tax or other contributions; total.
“the gross amount of the gift was $1,000”
Very rude or coarse; vulgar.
general or large-scale; not fine or detailed.
“at the gross anatomical level”
adverb
1. without tax or other contributions having been deducted.
verb
produce or earn (an amount of money) as gross profit or income.
noun
noun: gross; plural noun: grosses
https://www.google.com/search?q=gross+definition&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1
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Re “She won for her work on “growth mindset,” which I tended to think was akin to “The Little Engine Who Could,” who climbed a difficult mountain by saying “I think I can, I think I can,” and he did.” I certainly hope you no longer think this as it is far from her work’s conclusions, which are not directed at positive affirmations of what can be done..
The classic example is of mindsets in action are athletes who are told they have an innate talent responsible for their success (worse it is God given which places it even further out of reach). In this scenario, the athlete has no responsibility for that success and can hardly take credit for it. They will tend to shy away from extreme tests of their skill because once they reach the limit of their “talent” (whatever that is), they are tapped out, there is nothing they can do.
Another athlete who is convinced that they can develop their skills through hard work looks at tests differently and determines their challenges as a challenges to work harder. This is a “growth mindset,” that one can develop any skill through attentive work.
The classic case in education is students who are convinced they are “not good at math” and as a consequence they stop trying as it will do no good. This is a fixed mindset. Asian children are never told they are not good at math. They are told that math is important and that they just need to try harder to be successful. No matter what a student’s abilities are a “growth mindset” will lead to greater success than a “fixed mindset.”
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Remember the song, “High Hopes”? Is Dweck’s work really new or news worthy? Why is it worth $3.9 million?
Conventional wisdom had parents and teachers singing this song for years.
“Next time your found, with your chin on the ground
There a lot to be learned, so look around
Just what makes that little old ant
Think he’ll move that rubber tree plant
Anyone knows an ant, can’t
Move a rubber tree plant
But he’s got high hopes, he’s got high hopes
He’s got high apple pie, in the sky hopes
So any time your gettin’ low
‘stead of lettin’ go
Just remember that ant
Oops there goes another rubber tree plant
When troubles call, and your back’s to the wall
There a lot to be learned, that wall could fall…”
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How about,
Fred Astaire:
Pick yoursel up, dust yourself off, and start all over again!
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Exactly! I wonder why Tencent thinks Dweck’s work is worth such a huge prize?
Oh, wait, ” The National Science Foundation, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and the Hewlett Foundation, among other research and philanthropic organizations, have invested in research examining growth mindsets. Additionally, Dweck and her collaborators have developed online modules that teach the growth mindset, reaching tens of thousands of students.”
https://news.stanford.edu/2017/09/19/stanford-psychologist-recognized-4-million-prize/
The foundations love Growth Mindset. Very marketable, I guess. $$$
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Tencent has some terrible tech ideas, like what they call Sesame Credit, which is social credit scores. AWFUL. This is a MUST WATCH. See how citizens get rated in this video about the danger of gamification:
Dweck’s ideas are implemented cookie cutter in many schools, much like grit.
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China is moving toward becoming the most surveiled and data monitored nation on earth, a different version of authoritarianism where the authority will now be the data, the math, and the hand in the puppet, the gov’t will not be challenged or seen to have a say, since they are “obeying” the numbers. I’m guessing that even if they part ways with high stakes testing, the data component will survive as a tool of social control in a way not too far from what is being envisioned for the USA.
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Yes, and Mindset, like grit, is a way of blaming the victims. Kids “need” better mindsets or more grit so they can survive educational systems being informed by greed rather than teachers.
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Danielle,
That was my impression.
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For some time now, China’s government has been trying to move away from the test and punish, drill and kill education system they have now, going in the correct and opposite direction the US has been forced to go in. Still that in your testing industrial complex and smoke it all you fool politicians, and think about it in the context of America’s global competitiveness which you are both blindly and willfully wrecking.
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The U.S. became the wealthiest, most powerful country in the world without a testocracy, but since 1983 with the release of President Reagans flawed and misleading report A Nation at Risk, the country has spiraled into a testocracy on steroids gone insane.
And what did we get, Donald Trump as president and a theocratic leaning oligarchy controlled kleptocracy through the corrupt, mindless, greed is great GOP.
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So, Diane, are you for social credit scores? This concerns me greatly.
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What is a social credit score?
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Diane, please watch the video I posted and/or read this: http://www.wired.co.uk/article/chinese-government-social-credit-score-privacy-invasion
China is doing this. It is very Orwellian. Social credit scores are like American credit scores, but are based on what we share, post, and if we associate with people who have high or low scores (and more). It is mind blowing.
“Imagine a world where many of your daily activities were constantly monitored and evaluated: what you buy at the shops and online; where you are at any given time; who your friends are and how you interact with them; how many hours you spend watching content or playing video games; and what bills and taxes you pay (or not). It’s not hard to picture, because most of that already happens, thanks to all those data-collecting behemoths like Google, Facebook and Instagram or health-tracking apps such as Fitbit. But now imagine a system where all these behaviours are rated as either positive or negative and distilled into a single number, according to rules set by the government.”
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Danielle, that sounds repugnant.
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Social credit scores are credit ratings that include not just financial histories, but social network ratings as well. Your credit rating, and therefore financial wellbeing, is based on how positive (compliant) your comments and online friends’ comments are. I believe they could also include online school activities. Scary stuff. China already has it in the works. The online grade book I’m forced to use is also a social network with badges (ratings) for participation in chat. My opinion, we don’t need no stinking badges.
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I would fail the social credit rating score.
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Together, we here would drag our credit scores down so low that none of us would be allowed to buy or rent anything without paying cash in full up front. I wouldn’t be able to rent or buy a place to live. Rebellious teens would destroy their financial futures if given cell phones. As a matter of fact, it would the the end of free speech.
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“Your credit rating, and therefore financial wellbeing, is based on how positive (compliant) your comments and online friends’ comments are”
Well that’s a relief cuz God knows my online poems and comments are nothing if not complaint.
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Growth Mindset is truly worrisome for poor children in poor school conditions and children with disabilities.
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Agreed, Nancy. It transfers responsibility away from the adults in education reform and blames the kids, as if they are “lacking” something, and if they had it (growth-mindset, grit, etc.), they would be more successful.
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“Mindsets”
Some are fond of growth
And some are fond of grit
And some would say that both
Are really full of it
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The emphasis should really be on development rather than growth.
Growth is gauge of how much the size of something increases.. People therefore focus on the growth in test scores to gauge how well the schools are doing. Even Dweck does this when she talks about how a growth mindset has moved schools from low to high performance as gauged by scores.
But true education is not about change in size but change in form.
The latter is not growth, but development.
Focus on “growth” rather than on development distorts all aspects of our society.
For example, most economists focus on the “growth” of the economy measured in dollars rather than on the true value added.
So, producing useless widgets takes precedence over far more important things that can not be assigned a dollar value.
The celebration of growth is actually very insidious.
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Well said, SDP. Take the obsession with measuring growth out of education. I hope my students have a curiosity mindset coupled with a social responsibility mindset. Throw in a love of a good story mindset. For that matter, forget the mindsets. I hope my students minds are not at all set. Open minds for all! Curiosity is the cure for testocracy.
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“Gross Mindsets”
When minds are set
On growth in score
Then what we get
Is Common Bore
When minds ain’t set
But open wide
Then what we get
Is bonifide
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This was a complicated and difficult subject to tackle today, but I am glad we did. The next time I am told to twist Dweck into a push for test prep and test score growth, I will know precisely with what to retort.
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As school districts change report cards to competency-based models that align with skills, “personalized learning” platforms will stealthily “measure” growth. Wall Street will love the data as they bet against kids and “invest” in “social impact” bonds.
In the NYT article below, one can see the danger of trying to keep kids (even those who may need it) out of special education.
“Goldman (Sachs) said its investment had helped almost 99 percent of the Utah children it was tracking avoid special education in kindergarten. The bank received a payment for each of those children.”
BTW, Goldman Sachs is making their gamble safe, as Kindergarten is too soon for many kids to be properly identified.
Also, Response to Intervention is the perfect compliment to this unethical investing. Schools are using RTI to make it harder to identify children for special education and gifted programing.
Most of us want our kids to show growth, so this BS sounds good… but development – that is an interesting idea.
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As school districts change report cards to competency-based models that align with skills, “personalized learning” platforms will stealthily “measure” growth. Wall Street will love the data as they bet against kids and “invest” in “social impact” bonds.
In the NYT article below, one can see the danger of trying to keep kids (even those who may need it) out of special education.
“Goldman (Sachs) said its investment had helped almost 99 percent of the Utah children it was tracking avoid special education in kindergarten. The bank received a payment for each of those children.”
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Diane, as a trained historian this is a chance for you to research and understand these developments. Big Data entrepreneur Tencent and “Growth Mindset” education entrepreneurs are both features of a new drive for universal surveillance and control of the population. These rating systems are already in early operation, both in China and in western countries, and It is chilling to see them come together over this mind-numbing cash “prize”. Please study up on this, and join the many thousands of scholars and activists, worldwide, who are trying to stop it.
“Big data meets Big Brother as China moves to rate its citizens”
“The Chinese government plans to launch its Social Credit System in 2020. The aim? To judge the trustworthiness – or otherwise – of its 1.3 billion residents”
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/chinese-government-social-credit-score-privacy-invasion
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I have repeatedly written against A Nation at Risk. Read the Sandia Report, 1990. It was Sec of Ed Bell that created the commission that issued that flawed report. I do not think that Reagan wanted to have anything to with it.
But I do agree that testing has exploded — all of it needlessly.
I have my doubts about psychological research into education.
Growth vs fixed mindsets? The fixed mindset worry about these things because they probably are not smart. A smart person (a person who can learn and remember things) would not worry about them.
Actually K-14 should concentrate on accumulation of Knowledge and Understanding or the two bottom levels of Bloom’s Taxonomy with maybe some Application or Level Three. So, memorization is important to the foundation of learning. If one cannot remember (memorize) that 1+1=2 or remember what happened in 1492, then one is truly incapable of learning very well.
One will use, if capable, the upper levels of Bloom’s Taxonomy later in college and graduate school.
But research into education uses the same flawed methods as in Sociology and Psychology and other areas. Dr. Mortimer J. Adler (20th Century Philosopher) once said back the 1930s that Sociologists used flawed research techniques–Thank you Dr. Ravitch for this source. They still use the same methods.
Here is the quote from her 2000 book, Left Back: A Century of Failed School Reforms, “He [Mortimer J. Adler] seemed to relish insulting his audience, as he did when he first arrived at the University of Chicago and told a gathering of eminent social scientists that their methods were flawed.” [p. 304]”
I believe it was Psychologists that came up term IQ or at least they are the ones that perform the tests. Right at 113 years of IQ data basically says for a population (in the macro) IQs remain the same, because IQ is a relative term. I assume that when intelligence is mentioned she is talking about the ability to learn (or IQs). IQs will remain somewhat constant throughout one’s life.
Some have said that for every year past high school one’s IQ increases by about 1.5 points or so and the average IQ of college graduates is higher than the average IQ of high school graduates. I think that it is not so much that each year adds IQ point as it is it takes higher and higher IQs to handle more schooling and part of that is memorization. Intelligence at its foundation is the ability to recognize patterns and you cannot recognize patterns unless you memorize (remember) the pattern in the first place. So, that more schooling will show higher IQs.
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Dweck’s work is about MEASURING “growth mindset”. While it might feel good to remember The Little Engine That Could, Dweck did something very different from what people are imagining in this discussion. Do we really want entrepreneurs to measure our children’s mindsets? From 2014:
“Measuring a ‘growth mindset’ in a new school accountability system”
…Dweck dubbed the belief that intelligence can be developed a “growth mindset” and has charted its power to shift students’ academic attitudes and achievements. This spring, students’ beliefs about intelligence are among the social and emotional factors to be measured in the new school rating system under development in the seven districts.
After receiving an unprecedented waiver from the requirements of the No Child Left Behind law, the districts are replacing standardized test scores as the sole measure of school success. Instead, the districts’ are developing a new accountability system that also includes school climate and culture measurements, suspension and expulsion rates, and the hard-to-define qualities of motivation, self-management, empathy and a growth mindset. With nearly 1 million students enrolled in the districts, the new accountability system is thought to be the largest effort to focus on and evaluate students’ habits of mind.
…“This is the first attempt to collect the data,” said Chris Gabrieli, chairman of Transforming Education, a nonprofit partner of the CORE collaboration. Because quantifying growth in non-cognitive skills is expected to be challenging, it’s one of the first areas the CORE districts are tackling. When the districts’ new School Quality Improvement Index is fully rolled out over the next two years, 20 percent of a school’s score will be measures of social and emotional factors, defined as non-cognitive skills and rates of absenteeism, suspensions and expulsions.
https://edsource.org/2014/measuring-a-growth-mindset-in-a-new-school-accountability-system/63557
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There is even a Growth Mindset Scale and Growth Mindset Meter!
How very sciencey.
Ha ha ha.
“Magical Mindsets”
Mindsets call it
Silver bullet
Grit and Growth
Are magic, both
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Congrats to Carol……hope it works cause the US is going downhill fast!
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