Land-grant universities were established as “the people’s universities,” to make higher education affordable and accessible in every state. But state legislatures have been cutting their budgets, shifting the cost from the state to students.
POLITICO posted an interview with a leader of this sector who says they have lost their way.
HAVE LAND-GRANT UNIVERSITIES LOST THEIR WAY? That’s what West Virginia University President E. Gordon Gee argues. Land-grant universities, created by Congress in the 1800s, were meant to be “the people’s universities,” Gee told Morning Education, “not necessarily to do basic research or discover the cure for cancer, but to make sure the people in their state and region were served very well and had access to American opportunity. Over time, I think that has been lost.”
– Gee, who has spent 25 years leading land-grant universities, sees a crisis: Legislatures have slashed support for universities, while Americans are increasingly losing faith in higher education.
– “Universities have a clear and present danger and they don’t realize it,” Gee said. “I believe we are living on fumes.” Gee said he thinks a “fundamental restructuring” is needed in higher education – largely on the parts of universities themselves. They are too homogenized, all chasing the same version of prestige pushed by a rankings-fueled culture that often benefits the wealthy, he said.
– Land-grant universities need to remember their purpose, Gee said. “The major research universities, the Browns and Vanderbilts, need to to do their thing. Their role is not to be a land-grant institution. My role is not to be Vanderbilt or Brown.”
– Turns out a lot of land-grant presidents might agree. Gee is working on a book with Ohio State University Professor Stephen Gavazzi, for which the two interviewed 27 land-grant leaders (anonymously, which they said was like giving the presidents and chancellors a “truth serum”). The leaders described an “existential higher education crisis” in America, Gee said. Many took responsibility and said they struggle to understand how to change the narrative. The two presented early findings at the Association of Public & Land-grant Universities conference in D.C. on Monday. They plan to release the book next fall. They spoke to Morning Education before the panel.
– So what should land-grant universities be doing? “Our plea is one of purpose,” Gee said. Stop chasing rankings and try to solve immediate problems in their communities, such as the opioid crisis. “The land-grant universities need to be attacking that directly and creating reasons for people to come out of that crisis,” Gee said. They should also find ways to make it easier for people to attend. “You have to create opportunities for people to have access,” Gee said.“

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I teach at a land-grant university, and there’s a grain of truth here in this statement: “Land-grant universities need to remember their purpose, Gee said. “The major research universities, the Browns and Vanderbilts, need to to do their thing. Their role is not to be a land-grant institution. My role is not to be Vanderbilt or Brown.” Yes, land-grants were not initially tasked to be purely research institutions–but the gradual change from land-grant mission to research mission was fueled by…
the tectonic shift in higher ed funding over the last couple of decades…
higher ed funding has “flipped” since the 1980s;
state aid v tuition was 70/30 in 1979
as of 2014 the ratio was 21/71 (7% miscellaneous sources)
states have effectively defunded higher education over this time period, and have ignored their responsibility to fund public ed in general; this has impacted land grants disproportionately
this “flip” has shifted the burden for state/land-grant universities from the public to individual students and families…and has led to an unprecedented student loan debt crisis
at the same time, costs for higher ed have exploded
expanded administrative and “alt ac” positions…and much higher costs associated with state and federal accountability and accreditation requirements
Saying that “land grant universities have lost their way” is like sending a hiker out into the woods, taking away their compass and GPS, blindfolding them, charging them $40,000 for the hike, and then blaming them for getting lost.
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Bernie’s policies on education would have cured that problem. We were so close.
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And what has been the result – a dream come true for wealthy and powerful men like Trump and Moore?
The birth of sugar daddy dating sites for young college women (17 percent are young men) to hook up with older, wealthier men.
From Forbes: Coeds or Call Girls? Sugar Daddies Pay Tuition
https://www.forbes.com/sites/shenegotiates/2013/02/11/coeds-or-call-girls-sugar-daddies-pay-tuition/#5cdec0392c97
From Business Insider: Millions of college students are so terrified of loans they’re turning to ‘Sugar Daddies’ for help paying for school
A growing number of students are turning to dating sites to find Sugar Daddies and Mommas for help with college costs. …
SeekingArrangement.com was founded by MIT graduate Brandon Wade in 2006 and now counts 10 million members worldwide, making it the biggest Sugar Baby and Sugar Daddy dating site on the web
http://www.businessinsider.com/seeking-arrangement-sugar-daddies-pay-sugar-babies-college-tuition-2017-11
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The land grant Universities were established by Lincoln, but the current Republicans are betraying his legacy in every way. The savage budget cutting is causing the decline of the nation.
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Ask Gee if the role of land grant universities is to provide entertainment for well off people with tax and tuition subsidized major college athletics. He doesn’t seem to have any problem with that.
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As of 2014, the West Virginia U. football coach was making over $3 million a year.
Wonder what the average academic faculty member makes, especially the adjuncts and part- timers?
Ahem.
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Zorba,
You can easily find this information from The Chronicle of Higher Education. For West Virginia University, see this link: https://data.chronicle.com/238032/West-Virginia-University/faculty-salaries/
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That salary is paid by ticket holders and boosters. At most major universities, you can’t use athletic revenues to pay for anything but athletics.
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Under a neo-liberal regime, everything is a commodity and has a price, which means that eventually everything becomes a racket, as we now are witnessing with education and medicine, two realms that previously were see as having some kind of existence and validity outside of market forces.
No more. As everything becomes monetized (even religion, as we see with the so-called evangelical “prosperity gospel”) everything inevitably becomes homogenized and crapified.
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I genuinely believe people in education could team up with people in health care.
“as we now are witnessing with education and medicine, two realms that previously were see as having some kind of existence and validity outside of market forces.”
They say this a lot in health care- that the field has changed and there’s no public service or human interest in it anymore- that they are driven and ruled by a profit motive and business managers who have little or no interest in patient care.
A lot of them got in it to help people. They’re miserable. They feel they are able to do their jobs DESPITE managers, not because of them.
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Teachers could benefit by teaming up with nurses (eg in the California Nurses’ Organization ), who provide most of the real “care” in US health care, at any rate.
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Last year I was chatting with the man who does my taxes, and we were talking about our children. He said his daughter had graduated from college, was looking at careers, and was considering teaching. In a mock-melodramatic way, I started waving my arms and (only half-kiddingly) excitedly telling him, “Don’t let her do it!”
He laughed, and then told me that his daughter was looking into education because her mother, a physician, was warning her away from medicine, for exactly the reasons your friends and acqaintances give.
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Is there a safe profession left for the working class?
It seems that jobs are either threatened with automation or micromanagement (the Betsy DeVos, Trump, ALEC and/or Walton family model) from the top down based on short-term greed and not the long term.
The private and public sectors and labor unions are all under attack by the leaders of the kleptocracy. Even due process rights for public employees that is a protection offered by the U.S. Constitution is under attack.
In fact, I’ve read enough about Trump to know he has a history going back to the beginnings in his fraudulent, debt-leveraged business empire that is riddled with bankruptcies, of being a micromanager that blames others for his failures that he caused by being a micromanager. WIthout corporate welfare and those bankruptcies, Trump would be on the welfare that serves the working class. He’d be eating with help from food stamps and would probably be renting a place through Section 8 housing and getting any medical care through Medicare because he would be a Welfare King. Heck, he already is a welfare king. Instead of groping models and beauty pageant queens, he’d be groping homeless women sleeping on the street and then after he was done, he’d steal whatever food they had scavenged out of trash cans behind restaurants.
Trump doesn’t allow anyone to make a decision without his approval. That’s why I believe that he is the Kremlin’s Agent Orange – a traitor to the U.S. Constitution and the Republic it supports.
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This quote from Dr. Martin Luther King quote highlighted in the Yohuru Williams’ presentation applies here. The kleptocrats in Washington have no interest in providing opportunity to the poor and working class, and access and opportunity are what the land grant colleges do. The 1% is their priority, not everyone else.
I never intend to adjust myself to economic conditions that will take necessities from the many to give luxuries to the few
— Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Many LAND GRANT Universities have indeed lost their way. I won’t name them.
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Sad to say, Gordon Gee is part of the problem. He extracted huge salaries and golden parachute packages from the land-grant universities he led, including my alma mater Ohio State. In 2013, Gee earned $6,057,615 from Ohio State University. On June 4, 2013, Gee announced his retirement.
Meanwhile too many faculty in land-grant universities, and other public colleges and universities are part-time, low wage adjuncts. There are endless investments in collegiate sports and nice, but not necessary, amenities.
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“Hypocris-Gee”
Golly gee,
Gordy Gee
Lost his way
But found his pay
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Gee, I wonder if Gee even knows what irony is.
From a Slate article by Jordan Weissmann
http://www.slate.com/business/2017/11/mercedes-colwin-tells-hannity-women-lie-about-harassment-for-money.html
“In 2013, Ohio State University President E. Gordon Gee earned $6,057,615. This, according to the Chronicle of Higher Education, made him the top paid public college leader in the country—one of nine to break the $1 million mark. Much of that haul, it should be said, came from built-up deferred compensation and severance; Gee retired from his post last summer after he was caught on tape disparaging Notre Dame and Catholics. (He’s now running West Virginia University). But his $851,000 base salary was also the highest among state school leaders.
In the meantime, about 59 percent of Ohio State students now graduate with student loans. Of those who do, the average burden is about $26,000. And to top it off, according to a new report by the Institute for Policy Studies, between 2010 and 2012, debt among OSU students grew 23 percent faster than the national average.
So Gee got paid, while his students paid up. Should you be mad?”
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And now he is going to cash in with a book.
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While Gee was milking the land Grant universities for millions, many of the students under his “leadership” were going hungry.
https://talkpoverty.org/2017/11/07/poverty-largely-invisible-among-college-students/
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I remember reading a piece about small private colleges and the benefits they offer and as a kind of contrast they looked at Penn State. The president of Penn State said their role isn’t to provide a small private college experience- that they exist to serve 1st generation lower and middle income students in a large entity with a lot of choices for students.
It was nice, that he was proud of that. I don’t know if Penn State lives up to it, but I thought it was great that he had a clear idea of what he was supposed to be doing and he didn’t see “less exclusive” as “less”.
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My father went to college on the GI Bill at a land grant university. He hated the military but he loved college and as he wouldn’t have gone to college without the GI Bill I suppose he can thank the military for that.
He says they all arrived there unprepared. They were older and often lower income than the younger students and they didn’t really fit in. They had been (just) average students who weren’t considered “college bound” in high school so they must have struggled or gotten some assistance or something. His whole group of veterans graduated.
You wonder how colleges managed to integrate them all even without their being “college and career ready” 🙂
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‘You wonder how colleges managed to integrate them all even without their being “college and career ready” ‘
I don’t think they needed a lot of “integrating.” After slogging through Europe or the Pacific, they were well past beer bashes. They knew what they wanted and worked hard. Tells you something about the importance of motivation.
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The military added education to those GIs. Perhaps we should look at how the military teaches.
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I’m thinking of Marine Corps boot camp when I say I don’t think we want to copy that for civilian college students.
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This claim has literally been made since 1957 and every single person who says it thinks they’re the first one:
“U.S. Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos told a roomful of CEOs here Tuesday that many students aren’t mastering the skills they need to be prepared for the careers of the future.
DeVos argued that 65 percent of today’s kindergartners will end up in jobs that haven’t even been created yet. Business people, she said, have told her that students need be able to think critically, know how to collaborate, communicate clearly, and be creative.
“My observation is a lot of students today are not having their needs met to be prepared in those areas,” DeVos said at the Wall Street Journal CEO Council’s meeting. And later she noted that the U.S. education system was largely borrowed from Prussia, a country which she noted no longer exists. The system, she said, needs to be changed to offer more students and parents individualized options. “When we empower all parents, that will ultimately prepare students to be active participants in the workforce,” she said in remarks at the Four Seasons Hotel. ”
Later she pitched some ed tech product under the guise of “personalized learning’
Just another day in meetings with CEO’s in our nation’s capitol. They’re designing programs for skilled trades by meeting with people who 1. are not in the trades 2. will never be in the trades and 3. would never, ever sent their children to a trade school.
http://mobile.edweek.org/c.jsp?cid=25920011&item=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.edweek.org%2Fv1%2Fblog%2F49%2Findex.html%3Fuuid%3D74381
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“Stop chasing rankings and try to solve immediate problems in their communities, such as the opioid crisis.” Herein lies the root of the problem: College Presidents are answerable to boards too manny of whom LOVE simple spreadsheet metrics like the US News and World Report’s annual rankings… metrics that clearly favor colleges serving affluent students… The US News and World Report won’t be measuring colleges based on their efforts to “…solve immediate problems in their communities, such as the opioid crisis” any time soon…
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Oh wow. This is so timely. I went to visit a land grant university for my son who is interested in science, is a solid student and would benefit from a broad and wide curriculum to explore sciences further and then commit to applied, theoretical, or something else.
I was so thrown off by the campus tour. Discussions unexpectedly centered on rankings highlights (who cares what US news has to say? are we that gullible in today’s society?), 50-75 percentile SAT, average weighted GPA, football lore (BIG football school), kids food and dorm comfort, greek life – and, to top it off, FIFTY THOUSAND a year out of state.
Not one person asked my son about his interests or what questions he has about the field he is interested. To be fair, they had an impressive program to support students and committed to their success, but the whole process felt like a sale and more about the prestige associated with the name brand because of ranking data points and football than an exploration of higher education and science/technology.
My son is already stressed out in a competitive school that measures success by tons of paperwork grade, grade, grade, grade, work, work, work kill drill approach tied to measure them on state and national multiple choice type assessments.
I thought visiting a land grant university would let him see just how higher education will be different and will be a place where he can stretch his wings and explore who he wants to be.
Sadly, it had the result of stressing him out more. He can’t understand 50k a year, he didn’t want to hear the test score/gpa competitiveness, he didn’t want to hear that their brand is prestigious and that maybe not getting in would be a failure to not be selected by a place with so many high rankings and awards.
I left baffled. I am starting to read more about the current higher education climate and had no idea that “school grades” had infected higher education, schools are “branding” themselves and rolling out huge football programs to lure parents willing to fork over ridiculous amounts of tuition for a brand, that the bigger the football program the more the applications (?), that meeting some SAT metric is critical not because of how this associate with a kids dedication to curriculum but because it affects ranking.
I am currently so disheartened and nervous for my son. My god, to get into this land grant he has to declare a major at the age of 16 and possibly play a game of not picking a “competitive one” to stand a chance.
And even if he lives up to the SAT/GPA metric that lets him have a seat in a ranked insitution, I have to FIND 50k a year to let him a degree in an engineering or science field?!
What the HELL is going on?
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“He can’t understand 50k a year”
If you want him to understand what this means, you might suggest to him that he read John Grisham’s latest book “The Rooster Bar”. The main characters are three law students at a for-profit college and all three are deeply in debt to student loans and the message from the book’s theme is depressing. There is also a character that worships at the altar of greed and is a member of the kleptocracy. He’s the one that owns the for-profit college and a lot of other shady businesses all built on a foundation of greed.
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LT,
I should add that there are many universities with lower cost of attendance than mine. Iowa State University has a cost of attendance around $33,000 for out of state students ($20,000 for in state students) while the University of South Dakota has an out of state cost of attendance a bit under $21,000 (about $17,500 for in state students).
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“As College Tuition Climbs, more Students Live in Poverty and Hunger”
https://www.inquisitr.com/3053839/as-college-tuition-climbs-more-students-live-in-poverty-and-hunger/
Let’s focus on the lowest annual tuition you mentioned. $17,500
For students that come from families without that kind of available cash, how do they survive financially and get through college without going into debt?
Politifact reports that on average college students “are taking six years to get a four-year degree”
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2013/aug/11/ron-johnson/average-college-degree-takes-six-years-us-sen-ron-/
Even at $17,500 a year for tuition, not counting living expenses, that adds up to $105,000. Where is the average college student going to earn that kind of money, find the shelter they can afford and also eat? What kind of part or even full-time jobs are available for college students and are there enough of these jobs to go around?
And it only gets worse from the lowball price.
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Lloyd,
$17,500 is not the tuition, it is the estimated annual cost of attendance which includes tuition, living expenses, fees, books, travel, etc. That is the same for all the figures I gave. The in state tuition at the University of South Dakota is $8,772 for two semesters.
As to financing, If the student qualifies for the full amount of a Pell Grant, they would get $5,815. All incoming freshman at the University of South Dakota are eligible for the “Coyote Commitment” scholarship of $3,500 annually, so lets suppose the student also gets the full amount of this scholarship. That would more than cover the tuition, but would leave the student with $8,185 of living expenses to cover. Some combination of work, other scholarships (see http://www.usd.edu/admissions/freshmen/scholarships for a list), loans, and family contribution would have to be used to make up the rest.
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LT,
There are lots of options out there. The public university where I teach (the state flagship) is not a land grant school, but the out of state cost of attendance is about $43,000 and in state $26,000. He would not have to declare a major (though would have to be admitted to the school of engineering as a freshman or transfer into the school soon after arriving on campus in order to graduate close to on time). Admission is relatively easy, only requiring a 2.0 in academic courses.
There are many options.
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First of all, college tours are orchestrated by PR staff. The things they tell you on a tour are the things they think you want to hear. If your son really wants to get a feel for a college, he should ask to visit a freshman class in his major, meet a professor, and chat with a few students(other than the tour guides) I would also suggest visiting a few small public colleges in your home state or a small private college where he might be competitive for a scholarship. In the long run, he’ll probably be happier and not so heavily in debt. Most small college faculty take an interest in and look out for students majoring in their discipline in a way that simply can’t happen at a larger school. He’ll also have professors who will know him well enough to write a recommendation for him when he graduates. I did my undergraduate work at a small public college. It did not have particularly stringent entrance requirements, but I was well prepared for graduate school by the time I completed my degree. I am now a professor at a small college and have no regrets about my choice of an undergraduate school.
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M,
Good advice. LT might also want his son to meet with the director of undergraduate studies in his major department. I frequently meet with parents to talk about the advantages and disadvantages of attending a large research university.
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I really appreciate any and all advice I can get. Our state flagships sadly have also been ranked, one called a “public ivy” and both schools focus highly on the SAT for admissions, with one liking scores above the 95th percentile. The engineering college likes 701 average math. That was Harvard in my day!
The smaller private colleges tend not to have strong science offerings and at least in our state run 50-65k but I agree that it makes a lot of sense to consider place where he will get strong guidance by professors and mentors if in the end that is the pay to play.
I was told tonight by a friend to play the state school game and have him declare an unpopular major if his score is below the 75th percentile then switch one year in. I am still trying to wrap my head around this.
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