Over the past decade, the Democratic party has lost over 1,000 state elections–for governor and legislature. Why? This period of decline coincides with Democrats’ embrace of the Republican philosophy of school choice, closing public schools, bashing teachers, and embracing test-based accountability. If Democrats act like Republicans, why vote for them? If Arne Duncan looks and sounds like Betsy DeVos (with the sole exception of vouchers), why vote Democratic?
Jeff Bryant makes the case here the Democrats are doomed if they can’t support public schools, which are a bedrock democratic institution.
Jeff reviews a “Third Way” document that sounds very much like the Duncan-DeVos agenda for education.
“Here we go again,” was what many left-leaning folks likely felt after seeing a recent announcement about a new effort by wealthy donors to rescue the Democratic Party from its electoral doldrums. Backed by $20 million, the “New Blue” campaign, coming from politically centrist think tank Third Way, promises to lead the party out of the “wilderness” of its minority status to a pathway to “achieving progressive majorities up and down the ballot.”
But Third Way’s offer sounds more like a continuation of the old losing ways. This is especially true on the issue of education where Third Way continues to bang the drum for a failed agenda that voters mostly reject.
The Third Way is Duncan-DeVos all the way:
In its education manifesto “The New Normal in K-12 Education,” Third Way declares that the contentious arguments over important education matters — such as charter schools, standardized testing, and how to recruit and retain teachers – are essentially over and that those who are “fighting in the trenches” just need to get with the program.
The “program,” Third Way advances sounds very much like what’s been in place for the past 15 years, especially during the Obama administration under the leadership of Secretary of Education Arne Duncan. The title of Third Way’s document is borrowed from Duncan’s own words to describe the need for schools to go along to get along with the “new normal” of Republican fiscal austerity coupled with ever harsher accountability mandates and more competition from charter schools.
Duncan’s calls for higher class sizes and leaner compensation for teachers didn’t sit well with parents then, and Third Way’s support for charter schools, more standardized testing, and cuts for experienced teachers is not popular now.
Support for charter schools has dropped by double digit percentages among Democrats and Republicans, according to a recent poll. Another recent survey found the public is also generally opposed to using voucher money to send students to private schools, an idea pushed by current Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos that Third Way completely ignores (maybe because it’s too divisive). That survey also found most of voters don’t find test scores to be the best indicators of school quality. Lack of funding continues to be the issue most often cited by voters as the biggest problem schools face. But Third Way says nothing about that either.

Yes, but it goes far beyond education. Democrats need to start embracing true universal single payer health care (that does not go through insurance companies). They need to figure out how to break up the big banks (and, very likely, other big corporations, especially media corporations). They need to seriously fight Citizens United. They need to support unions, labor and working families. And, most of all, they need to excise the words “pie in the sky” and “hopelessly naive” from their vocabularies when it comes to talking about these issues (along with words such as “Bernie Bros”).
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I agree 100%. The people supporting the Third Way are the wealthy neoliberals that dominate the Democratic Party. They get their funding from Wall St. and Silicon Valley. They are not going to bite the hands that feed them.
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But the pro-public school, anti-charter, anti-privatization Democrats don’t get a chance to win because the progressives are too busy trashing them for not being good enough and helping the right wingers to win.
Neoliberals who support the third way couldn’t get traction until they convinced voters to vote against their best interests because perfection was demanded and they delighted in showing how imperfect every progressive candidate was and turning progressive voters against them.
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NYC public school parent
There are two people I can’t take anymore (okay a few more than two) You and the Republicans . Some would argue those neo liberal policies started with Carter who deregulated Trucking and started us on our current path. A path that has led to millions of Teamsters losing their Pensions . . But but for sure the DEMORAT William Jefferson Clinton and the NDC are the Third-way Neo liberals . Name one major program that Clinton passed that was not a gift to the Republicans .Try please just one. And don’t tell me he raised taxes . because the lowering of the gains rate out weighed that for the Republicans .
If Northam loses it will not be because progressives stayed home or voted for the low life Gillespie . It will be because he failed to bring out the Democratic vote . The Black vote , the youth vote. It will not be because he was outspent . .
So please stop with your nonsense. And how is Big Bird doing . Is his lead still at 40 percentage points. .
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Big Bird is being treated the way Hillary Clinton is.
I heard you telling me not to worry back then, too.
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Maybe if progressives spent more time talking about how pro-public education Northam was instead of bashing him for not being perfect, he might have a better chance at winning.
Just like Russ Feingold. The fact that you don’t like me pointing out that not all Democrats are corrupt because you are so angry that many of them all, makes me wonder what it is you hope to achieve.
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NYC public school parent
Who has said a word about Northam since the primary . And then all that was pointed out is that he called himself an economically conservative Democrat . Now we use to call that a Republican . Before the republicans went bat Sh– crazy . So if that is bashing so be it .
But it would seem that Hillary has to chose her friends more carefully .
Not even us Bernie Bro’s would do what Donna Brazile did a week before an election. And of course the Republicans announced a tax cut which favors their base in the taker states “bigly” . Till their Medicare , Medicaid and Social Security gets cut right after the 2020 election. Of course the Democrats did the same thing they took care of their base very well . Wall Street, big Pharma and Silicon Valley somehow that didn’t work out for me/us . . They will do fine” in their first class cabin all the way down to the bottom of the sea.”
Whats Big Birds spread last time I checked it was 40 points . He probably lost 20 being to stupid to kiss a baby at Yankee stadium. In NY we call that Chutzpah ,not to many Red Sox voters in NYC .
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Yes, how dare de Blasio not simply lie and say he is a Yankee fan. Vote him out.
Somehow when Dems win we make up all kinds of reasons that only apply TO Democrats!
You just keep calling names instead of addressing the real question.
Why does a progressive like Tom Perriello embrace DFER and charters? The central question of Diane’s post presumes that Democrats have to be strong on public education to win.
On the contrary, the Dems who are strongest keep getting bashed by progressives who prefer the candidates who don’t support public education very much.
I asked dienne77 this question but now I will ask you.
Please name some progressive leaders who strongly support public schools and strongly oppose charters.
And I don’t mean the tepid support of Bernie Sanders where he supports the DFER candidate and gives progressive credibility to Andrew Cuomo instead of calling him out on his outrageous anti-public education agenda.
What progressive has stood up strongly for public schools? (I can name one – de Blasio).
And the fact that it’s so hard to name some should tell us something about being what progressivism in the US is. It is NOT strongly supporting public education anymore.
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dienne77
BINGO
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Could this be true on a more global scale but not be true for the individual officeholder? I have yet to see an officeholder from the Democratic Party pay a price for holding Ed Reform positions. I look at Obama, at Booker, at Cuomo, and the list goes on and on. The Ed Reform money is just so darn powerful.
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There is at least one Democratic corporate reformer politician who paid the price: former Congressman and Arne Duncan pal, Tom Perriello. Periello lost his Democratic primary race against Lt. Governor Ralph Northam who is anti-charter schools/choice & pro-public education without any ties to the corporate reformers. Public ed was a big issue in the primary campaign. The VEA endorsed Northam. Despite Perriello trying to distance himself to his past ties to Duncan & DFER, he couldn’t overcome the taint despite claiming he no longer believed charters worked. His claims rang hollow the last week before the election when he received a $10,000 donation from the Emerson Collective where his friend Arne Duncan now works.
Remarkably, the entire Democratic ticket in next Tuesday’s election – Ralph Northam for Governor, Justin Fairfax for Lt. Governor, Mark Herring for Attirney General & all Democratic candidates running in the House of Delegates races – are pro-public education. None of them have been corrupted by corporate ed reformers. They are for increasing teacher salaries, reducing standardized testing, increasing vocational school opportunities, and against charters schools/choice.
Contrast this with Republican Ed Gillespie who has received $100,000 in donations from Betsy DeVos & her family members. The entire Republucan down ticket receives financial support from the Koch Brothers who have invaded our state trying to bring their agenda of charters & choice.
We will soon find out which side wins next week and whether public education played a decisive role.
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The Ed Reform money is powerful because it has convinced some progressives to overlook how much their candidates are far more pro-education reform than the ones who get smeared as tools of Wall Street. It has convinced them to oppose moderate pro-public school Dems because they are convinced that they are complete tools of Wall Street. (I know it makes no sense that you could fight charter schools, support public schools, and be the tool of Wall Street, but that is what many progressives believe and nothing you tell them will convince them that they are not right and they will work their butts off to defeat pro-public school Democrats and say “even (insert right wing pro-Betsy DeVos Republican’s name) isn’t nearly as corrupt or as much of a Wall Street lackey as that pro-public school Democrat is.”
Bernie Sanders’ preferred “progressive” candidate in the Virginia primary was pro-education reform and a favorite of DFER. The two previous democratic Governors and the Dem who won the primary were often attacked as being co opted but had stood up for public schools very strongly against the ed reformers.
The problem is that the pro-education reform Dems get attacked by progressives based not on their actions but through innuendo. I am watching it happen with Mayor de Blasio right now. Far too many self-described progressives screaming about how corrupt the Mayor is because he is one of the few Dems left who strongly opposes charter schools and believes in public schools.
If de Blasio loses — and don’t listen to the people who told us Hillary Clinton’s victory was a sure thing — it will be a huge victory for the anti-public school pro-privatization billionaires who hate his guts.
And I have never seen so many self-described progressives in NYC jumping on board the “what’s wrong with voting for a pro-Trump Republican at least he isn’t evil like de Blasio?” as I have in the last month. Maybe they are all fake trolls.
It’s like watch the 2016 election play out all over again when the pro-public school candidate is held to a standard in which they are judged only by innuendo and what “could” have happened instead of what did happen, while the opponents get away with actual corruption.
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As long as the Wall Street/corporate/Clinton/Tom Perez Democrats run the party, they will continue to lose because they do not represent ordinary Americans.
See this:
Memo to Democrats: ‘Taxes/Healthcare’ Better 2018 Message Than ‘Trump/Russia’ | Common Dreams https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/11/02/memo-democrats-taxeshealthcare-better-2018-message-trumprussia?utm_term=Memo%20to%20Democrats%3A%20%27Taxes%2FHealthcare%27%20Better%202018%20Message%20Than%20%27Trump%2FRussia%27&utm_campaign=News%20%2526%20Views%20%7C%20%27Deeply%20Disturbing%27%3A%20Bombshell%20Piece%20Exposes%20%27Unethical%27%20Clinton-DNC%20Fundraising%20Deal&utm_content=email&utm_source=Act-On+Software&utm_medium=email&cm_mmc=Act-On%20Software--email--News%20%2526%20Views%20%7C%20%27Deeply%20Disturbing%27%3A%20Bombshell%20Piece%20Exposes%20%27Unethical%27%20Clinton-DNC%20Fundraising%20Deal-_-Memo%20to%20Democrats%3A%20%27Taxes%2FHealthcare%27%20Better%202018%20Message%20Than%20%27Trump%2FRussia%27
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It’s awful how little real debate there is over any of this stuff.
I went to parent-teacher last night for my youngest- the same high school all my kids attended. My kids were all different and they took different classes – some were on the “college track” and one was on the “career track” so I’ve literally been going to these things for 20 years and met all kinds of teachers. There’s an “honors” math teacher who has been working there our whole tenure at the school. She is (reportedly) “the best math teacher in the county” and she’s had 3 of my 4 children as freshman. After discussion about my youngest she really opened up about Ohio’s version of Common Core, which she does not like. I didn’t really say anything to start this- it came up in the context of her reviewing the new standards for high school graduation. She has really strong opinions on this- examples, comparisons, etc. I suspect she may feel comfortable speaking freely because I really do want them to tell the truth or I wouldn’t bother going to parent/teacher and I was clearly interested in what she had to say.
This ed reform announcement that “debate is over!” on all their programs and schemes and ideas seems incredibly arrogant and weirdly ANTI “educational”.
We’re allowed to question these people. That’s permitted. It’s bad enough that they completely and utterly exclude “people in the trenches” when hatching these schemes, but to then announce there can no be no more debate is just breathtaking.
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That’s sad. All I can say is that all eyes should be on Virginia in next week’s gubernatorial election. If the anti-corporate ed reform ticket wins as described above (& where the contrast on public education is clear) this victory will serve as a wake-up call to Democrats nationwide.
The VEA, teachers & parents have mobilized in Virginia and we have been working hard for these pro-public education candidates. We won’t work for any Democratic collaborators or enablers. The Third Way and DNC better learn that lesson soon.
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The Democratic Party has not learned its lesson. Rather than embrace the working class and the young progressives that are moving left, the DNC is working to marginalize the “lefties” in the party. They are delusional because these groups are their base, but they continue to support Wall St. over Main St.
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Jeff is so on the mark! It’s not only a matter of stopping the trashing of public schools. It’s about standing up, unprompted, whenever the opportunity presents itself or one can be made, for public education. It’s about actively educating those who don’t think about public education. Diane’s last two books and the commentators on this blog provide us with relevant talking points and evidence every day.
Last week I attended a forum of candidates running for our local school board. The incumbents were smug and the challengers, though well meaning, had little grasp of why they should stand up for public education as a societal institution. I was ready to crack my head on the wall as they were trying to outdo each other to “be accountable to the 75% of the community who didn’t have children in the school system.” No talk about how good schools increase their property value. As they danced around the issue of an upcoming teacher contract negotiation, they rhetorically separated teachers from the community. Not one had the sense to stand up and say, “But teachers are part of our community.”
And none of them seemed to understand the issue of how charters drain our resources even though there are none in the district. They’ll claim to stand up for students, but don’t see the connections with teacher and the community.
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Too many people have bought the Rhee-form line that teachers’ interests are self-serving and are not the same as the interest of their students. Hogwash!
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Should have written “Rhee-torically separated teachers from the community.” A joke, alas, not one of those candidates would get.
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GregB,
Why should the progressive candidates stand up for public education when the progressive leaders don’t?
Can you please name some progressive leaders who use their bully pulpit to make the case for public education? Because I wish I knew more to support.
The Democrats that do very strongly support public education are usually attacked for being corrupt sell-outs to Wall Street. Right wing propaganda helped to gain traction because lots of progressives repeat it.
Please name one progressive leader who is actually saying the things that Jeff Bryant wants them to say.
I am only hearing that REAL support for public schools from the supposedly co-opted moderate Democrats who progressives keep telling me are sell-outs.
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Greg, we don’t have many allies in the Senate, this is true. But we have many in House: Mark Takano, Judy Chu, Mike Honda, Mark Pocan, Raul Grijalva, just to name a few. And some Senators are starting to move in our direction: Sheldon Whitehouse, Sherrod Brown. We have to keep the pressure on.
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Tim Kaine is a pro-public education ally in the Senate.
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GregB
I need help Greg . But that is another issue about my fellow New Yorker .
Did you expect them to have an understanding . When ever they turn on the corporate media they hear memes that are difficult to overcome. Pick up the Nations Papers and hear the same thing .
Walk up to the average middle class person and ask them whether they think Public Schools are failing . The answer just like with congress, will be yes . Ask them what they think of their schools and the answer will be the same as about their congressman “pretty good” . Even if they don’t know his name.
But I see it all over, an article yesterday in Alternet about Coal Miners turning down re-training . The comment section wanted to make me vomit . A hell of a lot of blaming the victim . As if these people did not see the futility of retraining when the Jobs are not there. None of their neighbors or relatives had ever tried and failed. Then there was the vote with your feet crowd. Sure I’ll save a street grate for them on 5th avenue. Of course when faced with a guy who was not only anti coal but even anti fracking . Somehow these Trump voters understood he was on their side .
This morning it was Stephanie Ruhle, who is generally good . Wages are stagnant . Yet we have a shortage of skilled labor the “skills mismatch” meme . 6 million open Jobs that Americans can’t do. Guess what one of those jobs was . Ron Insana calls out; teachers . Funny no shortage of teachers here on Long Island. Again why would that be ??? Could the law of supply and demand actually work ?
Myths have been created so that the blame falls on the shoulders of the victim. A very convenient one is that our students have failed to obtain the education they need . For many years we blamed that on their parents . Then we blamed it on their teachers and schools . It serves the oligarchy or plutocracy very well and they own the media.
Dean Baker kind of nailed why they have to blame teachers yesterday. .
“The most popular explanation for the sharp rise in inequality over the last four decades is technology. The story goes that technology has increased the demand for sophisticated skills while undercutting the demand for routine manual labor.
This view has the advantage over competing explanations, like trade policy and labor market policy, that it can be seen as something that happened independent of policy. If trade policy or labor market policy explain the transfer of income from ordinary worker to shareholders and the most highly skilled, then it implies inequality was policy driven, it is the result of conscious decisions by those in power. By contrast, if technology was the culprit, we can still feel bad about inequality, but it was something that happened, not something we did. ”
You teachers did it . We will have to attack you night and day about your wages and bennifits and then replace you with a temp worker.
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Thanks for the info, Jeff. Very heartened to learn about Whitehouse. He’s the strongest voice in Congress on climate change. I pledge to visit with Brown and his staff to underscore the message. He was my member of Congress when I moved here, I supported him for the Senate, and I’ve always found him to be open to change his mind if good arguments can be made to convince him. Or at a minimum, he will take the time to explain why he may disagree with you.
My own member of Congress, Marcia Fudge, is woefully misinformed on education issues even thought she is on the House committee with oversight on education. I’ve kind of given up on her. If there’s not a photo op to exploit, she’s not interested. We just need to keep chipping away!
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What can I say Joel? I could have written your remarks. I think we both didn’t learn the cynical reading of Don Quixote. That would have made us conservative Republicans or DFERs.
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Even the “agnostic” claim is false. If ed reformers were really interested in “great schools” no matter the sector they wouldn’t spend most of their time bashing public schools and promoting charters and private schools.
The only people who buy that these folks are “agnostics” are their fellow travelers.
Go to any ed reform site right now and look at what they work on- public schools don’t even exist in this echo chamber other than to be used in an unfavorable comparison to charter or private schools. I don’t think you can get a job in education policy in DC if you support public schools. It’s a career-killer.
If ed reform “supported great schools” we would see some tangible efforts to support some group or collection of public schools, somewhere. We don’t because they don’t.
Betsy DeVos and Arne Duncan would have had to resign if either one had trashed charter schools AS A GROUP the way they trash public schools AS A GROUP – the shrieks of outrage from ed reformers could be heard from space. Yet they can say anything they want about “government schools” and the cheerleading squad applauds.
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This is so true!
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Agree, Chiara. The DEMS don’t get it.
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Will you please stop this?
SOME of the Dems don’t get this. Some do.
The candidate for Virginia Governor is a Democrat and gets this. His so-called “progressive” candidate in the primary did not.
This is exactly why Dems can’t win. All Dems are bad except the ones who progressives tell us are good even if those Dems are strongly DFER and promote charters.
Too many people just listen to the propaganda and want to judge anyone with a D next to his or her name as a corrupt tool unless Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren — both of whom show a frightening willingness to repeat the ed reformers’ slogans — tells them that they are okay.
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NYC PSP,
The problem is that there are so few Ralph Northams in the party. I blame Obama and Duncan for making privatization ok in the Democratic party.
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Let’s hope Northam and the other anti-corp ed candidates win next Tuesday and Virginia can be the first to start turning this ship around. It will only take one state to break away and pull the curtains on this testing/charter schools/choice/privatization sham.
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I don’t mean to speak for Yvonne, but she’s correct, at least at the national level. Those who control the party – the DNC, the DLC and other “approved” “Democratic” organizations don’t get it. They continue to push neoliberals like Cory Booker and Kamala Harris and Maggie Hassan and Claire McCaskill, lavishing them with money and advertising. Incidentally, they then play the “diversity” card just like they did with Hillary – opposition to any of the above is obviously sexist and/or racist, dontcha know?
Perhaps there are individual “DEMS” who get it, but “the DEMS” (as in, the party) are clueless.
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Thanks, Dienne.
I appreciate your clarity: “Perhaps there are individual “DEMS” who get it, but “the DEMS” (as in, the party) are clueless.”
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“They continue to push neoliberals like Cory Booker and Kamala Harris and Maggie Hassan and Claire McCaskill, lavishing them with money and advertising…”
So don’t vote for the neo liberals they push. Just stop bashing the Dems who do stand up for public schools like Mayor de Blasio (who is also being bashed by the same progressive propaganda about how corrupt he is.).
That national Democratic Party ALSO pushed for the pro-public school candidate against the DFER one for Virginia Governor.
Virginia is one of the last states left that hasn’t completely sold out to charters. Why any “progressive” wants another Andrew Cuomo sell out to charters just because he was endorsed by Bernie Sanders I will never understand.
Progressive who actually strongly SUPPORT public schools — as opposed to progressives who think they are so-so and that charters aren’t so bad — should have our strong support. Instead of bashing the entire Democratic Party, why not point out that if we elect THOSE Democratic candidates, maybe we can effect some change in the leadership?
And let’s be up front, deinne77. When you have a choice between someone who is more progressive economically who will sell out public schools in a heartbeat versus someone who is less progressive economically who strongly supports public schools, who will you vote for?
I don’t expect you to choose the economic conservative who is also the tool of DFER. But that’s not the choice we have. We have DFER progressives and DNC endorsed candidates who are very strong on public education.
Stop pretending your choice for the DFER progressive isn’t just as much selling out public education as my choice for Kaine isn’t just as much selling out other progressive economic views.
Joel makes it clear his priority is economics and not education and he will support a pro-charter candidate who embraces policies that strongly undermine public schools as long as that candidate is progressive on economic issues.
I make it clear that my priority is public schools and I will support a pro-public school candidate who undermines another part of the progressive agenda as long as I know they will stand up for public schools when the progressive candidate will undermine them.
At least we are both honest. What I despise is dishonest progressive who pretend their candidates aren’t selling out public schools when they are just as likely to be selling them out while the DNC endorsed candidate is strongly fighting the Wall Street hedge fund money that wants charters.
I happen to believe if we destroy public education, we have no chance of enacting any progressive legislation. To me, public education should be the first priority. To others like Joel, it isn’t. Both our views are valid.
What isn’t valid are the hypocrites who don’t admit they are selling out public education when they attack the pro-public education candidate for not being progressive on other issues and help to defeat him by acting as if selling out an economic issue is far more corrupt than selling out public education.
Let’s have an honest discussion, not a dishonest one. I haven’t seen a perfect candidate yet on public education. Have you?
And yes, Mayor de Blasio and Tim Kaine and Northam are far better than Bernie and Warren on public education. That is a fact that cannot be denied. But Bernie and Warren are better on other progressive issues.
So choose which issue you want to sell out. But don’t pretend you are better than those of us who refuse to sell out public education.
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You want an honest discussion, NYCPSP? You of all people? Now that’s funny coming from one with an unrepentant habit of putting words in people’s mouths.
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I didn’t put words in your mouth. I challenged you with a question.
Given a choice, do you prefer Tim Kaine, who has one of the very few politicians of any kind who strongly stood up for public education and fought charter schools?
Or do you prefer progressive Tom Perriello who is a favorite of DFER Democrats but also the favorite of Bernie Sanders?
There is NO right answer. Choosing one over the other is fine as long as you acknowledge the trade offs.
Too many progressives keep insisting that there are no trade offs but that one candidate is corrupt because they aren’t progressive on economic issues, even if they are progressive on public education. And those same progressives give a pass to candidates who sell out public education and say “they aren’t selling out public education because they are corrupt tools of Wall Street, they are doing it because they really believe public schools need reform.” They enable the progressives by saying their lack of support for public education is okay.
The only thing I believe in is that Democrats HONESTLY debate the choices we have. And right now, we don’t seem to have any choices of politicians who are willing to strongly support public schools AND are very progressive economically. I only see de Blasio as a flawed version of what I wish all progressives were like.
When you have to support a DNC endorsed Kaine pro-education typical moderate Democrat versus a Bernie endorsed DFER progressive, which do you choose?
I would never attack those that chose one over the other. I would never attack one of the choices as corrupt and the other as upright and honest. Would you?
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Oh FFS, NYCPSP, you are notorious for putting words in people’s mouths. I’m by no means the only one who has said so. Admitting that would be a hella first step toward having that “honest” discussion you say you want.
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dianeravitch
You got it . But the ground work for going up against your most loyal constituency’s was set by another Democratic President in 94 . .Something he shared with Obama who elected Trump.
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dienne77,
You didn’t answer my question:
DFER endorsed, Bernie endorsed progressive versus Kaine or Northam.
You and Joel keep saying I’m putting words in your mouth but I’m not. I’m challenging the words you say because they sound very hypocritical to me.
So I ask you to clarify it. This isn’t a trick question. You and Joel just don’t seem to want to answer.
Do you support the DFER “progressive” or the moderate who stands up strong for public education?
You and Joel still haven’t named any LEADERS of the progressive movement who strongly support public education.
What do we have to do to get politicians beyond those “sell-out Dems” you claim are not to be trusted to stand up for public schools?
Because so far those Dems are the only ones who seem to be standing up for them.
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DeVos went out of her way to tell the ed reform lobbyists she meets with that the Trump Administration would be pouring funding into “choice”- her pitch was in every speech. Hundreds of millions to charters, promises of vouchers spreading nationwide!
Has anyone heard ONE WORD on what she plans to do for PUBLIC schools?
No. Because they DON’T CARE what public school families think. They don’t consider us a constituency they work for. We’re the unfashionable “default” who can safely be ignored.
Public schools are lucky if they get a mention in the closing paragraph and even that’s just so she can continue to make the bogus “agnostic” claim. She doesn’t feel she has to serve public school families. The 90% will just go along because we are, after all, “the status quo”.
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Betsy DeVos was very strongly endorsed by Eva Moskowitz, a self-described Democrat.
Have you ever heard Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren offer a single word of criticism against her endorsement of DeVos?
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You are absolutely delusional. To you Eva Moscowitz is some sort of larger than life figure that should be addressed by Senators in other states . Sorry 3000 students is the size of a medium HS . Eva is not a national figure . DeVos was and they ripped into her . Moscowitz is your type of Democrat . I refer to that as Demorats or Repubicrats .
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Joel says: “You are absolutely delusional”.
Aside from the nastiness, you can’t even get your facts right.
“Sorry 3000 students is the size of a medium HS”
There are currently 15,500 students in 46 Success Academy schools. Next year, nearly 3,000 new Kindergarten students will enroll, and perhaps 20 seniors will graduate. So even without the many new schools that have yet to open, there will be over 20,000 students in 2 years. And 25,000 a few years later. It’s not the “size of a medium HS”. It’s the size of a medium size city’s school system. But not a typical city. One like Lake Wobegon where all students really ARE above average. Or else they are sent elsewhere.
You inserted yourself into a thread to insult me and offer false facts.
Diane, I am politely asking that you ask Joel to stop harrassing me. Or if he insists on continuing, please ask him to use correct facts.
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NYC PSP,
ignore the internecine quarrels about peripheral topics.
Our society faces an existential crisis. We have a fascist president. Think about it. He wishes he could take control of the FBI and Justice Department. We are all at risk, as is the Constitution.
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Thanks Diane!
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Third Way is a clever name for a think tank that claims to be “centrist.” In the case of higher education, Third way is actually quoting from the Gates initiative seeking a national student level database with the SS # or similar unique identifier for every student.
The Third Way website on “education” has papers and positions for preschool, for K-12, and for higher education. A clear majority of the recent entries focus on higher education and data gathering sufficient to make sure that federal support for higher education is sharply focused on doing a triage on “underperforming” programs; that is, specific majors, programs, and degrees with a low return on investment.
The effect of this thinking is to place economic criteria above all others in the education of our citizens, especially in higher education. The policy position is clear: Unless you can prove there are big bucks to be earned through your choice of a major, do not invest in higher education.
No need for studies in the arts and humanities. Do not waste your time and money studying any language other than English, certainly not Greek or Latin. Do not bother with studies of linguistics—arcane and useless. Forget studies of literature, history, philosophy, comparative religions. Don’t pay for a major in paleontology, archaeology or anthropology.
Third Way is not investing much time or energy in thinking about preschool and even less on K-12 education. Third Way is an unapologetic supporter of Michelle Rhee and Kyla Henderson and DC schools. All are exemplary for the nation.
Do not trust anything from Third Way. It strikes me as a shill for technocratic governance by managers who have no interest in the public welfare, only in the economic “payoffs” of everything.
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Actually, linquistics majors are in high demand – by the U.S. military.
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Most of the linguists needed by the military are those that that are fluent in many lesser known languages spoken in the Middle East and Asia. These people are in demand for intelligence purposes. They are not looking for linguistic professors or applied linguists, those that have studied the science of language.
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I was a linguist for the US Military. I attended the Defense Language Institute in Monterey, California. The intelligence services are always in need of qualified linguists, especially the “hard” languages like Arabic, Farsi, Mandarin Chinese, etc.
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I think when Gates called for a so-called truce on his attacks against public education, his main goal for doing so was that he would have a ready market for his depersonalized learning. He doens’t care about public schools; he just wants to use them. He already knows how to buy access to public schools from his experience peddling the Common Core. Teachers should be wary of marketeers selling tech products.
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Seeking change in public schools is not trashing them. Charters and the like don’t have the quality of educators to innovate where public schools do. The game that’s played is they limit public schools through Common Core and NCLB and then trash them for doing what they demand. The solution is to take the shackles off public school teachers and let them do their job.
If the agenda driven politicians refuse to allow public schools to innovate, it’s time for those public schools to subvert the system from the inside out. This is risky but we did it in the seventies by walking the picket line, putting our jobs at stake for a livable wage. And it was cold in Wisconsin as I remember it.
There are many things that can be done in the classroom when the testing police aren’t looking. Changing the system of failure, eliminating letter grades, supporting authentic assessment, ignoring the test, integrated curriculum, differentiated learning, learning in the community (the testing police will never find you) and on and on. It’s time for action over words. Teachers team with parents to do what’s right fo kids. It is our moral obligation.
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Thank you, Caplee28! Parents & teachers together. The problem I see where I live is not many teachers are willing to rock the boat. My teacher friends who are activists complain about this to me constantly. They have done everything humanly possible to persuade these folks and they won’t.
We took a vacation in Vermont this past summer and I read in a local newspaper public schools will soon do away with letter grades? Can anyone comment on this? I’d like to learn more.
Which state is the most progressive on education? Are there any role models?
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In the mid 1990’s Kentucky did away with grades in all their elementary schools.They set forth on bold, progressive education policies that were a model for other states. I think they stayed the course until NCLB & RttT but I am not as familiar with recent KY education policy. Maybe someone from KY will weigh in here & let us know where they are in 2017.
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caplee68,
When you consider the words of Democratic officials like Andrew Cuomo, Rahm Emanuel, and Corey Booker, I think it is fair to say that they “trash” public schools. Their idea of “change” is privatization. As readers of this blog know, privatization has come to mean the opportunity to hire uncertified teachers, to block collective bargaining, to lower standards for entry into teaching, and to make millions by running a for-profit charter chain, or to pay outlandish salaries in non-profits. Or to transfer public funds to religious schools, which are exempt from any oversight or standards regarding teachers and curriculum.
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Thank you, Diane.
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see this article. https://www.thenation.com/article/what-killed-the-democratic-party/
The Democratic party is dead.
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I’m sorry but this entire premise is suspect given the response of the too many posters here who claim to care about public schools.
These posters aren’t fighting FOR the Democrats who are not bashing public schools. They are TRASHING them for not being progressive enough on some other issue that means far more to them than public education does.
“If Northam loses it will not be because progressives stayed home or voted for the low life Gillespie . It will be because he failed to bring out the Democratic vote . The Black vote , the youth vote. It will not be because he was outspent . .”
This poster is saying that democrats CAN abandon public education because democratic voters will stay home as they just don’t care enough about public education to bother to come out and vote. Just being one of the few Democrats who strongly supports public education won’t get you elected because you’ll be trashed.
Instead, who doesn’t strongly support public education? It doesn’t seem to be doing Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren any harm that they refuse to come out strongly against charters. Those are the types of candidates that will win — the ones who are unwilling to say anything very bad about the education reform movement and call out its lies and hypocrisy.
I wish that Jeff Bryant was right. But in fact, the more pro-public education you are, the more the pro-privatization pro-charter propaganda efforts successfully characterize those Dems as utterly corrupt anti-progressive sell-outs to corporate interests.
I thought the 2016 campaign would have taught progressive voters to be less gullible, but it’s the same old same old. The attacks on pro-public education Democrats are ridiculous.
And if every one of them loses or perhaps squeaks out a win, that just means that Bryant is wrong. It’s fine to abandon public education because supporting it strongly will just make you the target of propaganda efforts that too many voters fall for.
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Why would I believe that someone is pro-public education if they are neoliberal in all other respects? It’s a package deal. If one believes in a market-based approach to everything else, why would they not believe in that approach for education? Why would I trust someone who props up big banks and big corporations and the military-industrial complex at the expense of ordinary working Americans? Why would I think that such a person cares about the schools attended by the children of those ordinary working Americans?
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dienne77, you swallowed the entire propaganda hook, line and sinker.
Let’s vote to get Kaine and Northam defeated now. Let’s get more progressives like Tom Perriello.
If I were being as stubborn as you are, I would say “why would I believe someone is progressive on economic issues when they have been more than willing to sell public education out to corporate and Wall Street interests?”
And I would insist, as you do, that Elizabeth Warren was not a progressive and was not to be trusted one bit.
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It’s getting really annoying to hear a Hillbot like you continue to accuse others of “swallowing propaganda”. Try turning of mainstream media for a change. Look for alternative sources – both left and right – and open your eyes. We’re not the ones who are blinded.
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dienne77
Double Bingo
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dienne77 says:
“Why would I believe that someone is pro-public education if they are neoliberal in all other respects? It’s a package deal. If one believes in a market-based approach to everything else, why would they not believe in that approach for education? ”
Jeff Bryant, why should a progressive, pro-education voter like dienne77 vote for Tim Kaine or Northam? Why help elect such an awful candidates who they are CERTAIN aren’t to be trusted at all on public education?
Apparently, nothing I say will convince them that Kaine or Northam aren’t corrupt liars and all their actions for the past years have been designed to fool voters into believing that they actually support public schools when they plan to sell them out.
Jeff Bryant, are they right? Do we just give up and say, “you are right, we’ll work as hard as we can for the perfect candidates who also support public education and until we get them, we’ll fight against every candidate less than perfect since they are corrupt because even if they support public education, they aren’t progressive enough on economic issues so better they get defeated.” **
**If Bernie Sanders endorses you, then it’s fine if you are a DFER Dem.
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I agree with this:
“But in fact, the more pro-public education you are, the more the pro-privatization pro-charter propaganda efforts successfully characterize those Dems as utterly corrupt anti-progressive sell-outs to corporate interests.”
But that in fact is an argument for why I’m right. Efforts by establishment Dems to defeat pro-public education candidates like DeBlasio and Northam will ultimately lead to defeats against Republicans in general elections.
“It’s the same old same old.” This is exactly my argument. The Democratic Party’s defacto argument about “failing” public schools and the promise of charters, instead of supporting schools and teachers with more funding, might work for establishment Dems in primaries, but it’s a big loser at the general election ballot box. Trump won Erie and other Obama voting districts in PA in part because Dems utterly abandoned the infrastructure of those communities: jobs, schools, everything.
“And if every one of them loses or perhaps squeaks out a win, that just means that Bryant is wrong. It’s fine to abandon public education because supporting it strongly will just make you the target of propaganda efforts that too many voters fall for.”
This logic only holds if you’re inclined to believe political dynamics are locked into place and can’t change. Tea Party followers don’t believe this. Why do we?
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Hold on to your hat, Jeff. You just went down the rabbit hole. Trust me, I’ve been down there for a while. It may be too late for me, but save yourself while you can. NYCPSP can make your head spin.
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dienne77
Ya think
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Jeff,
I actually think you and I agree and dienne77 and Joel are the ones who have a different POV.
But maybe I am misunderstanding you.
I get frustrated with dienne77 — whom I respect in general — because I hear her repeating the same old criticisms about the pro-public school democrats that defeated Hillary Clinton. Despite these Dems very strong willingness to stand up to the big money and support public schools, they still get bashed as corporate sell outs because they are more moderate (but far from conservative) on economic issues.
Do you feel that way too?
What happens when the so-called more “progressive” candidate spouts the same tired old reform propaganda and the more moderate one actually stands up for public education?
What you get is progressives like dienne77 insisting that those moderates who are strong supporters of public education can’t be trusted! After all, why believe their actions when you believe the characterization of them instead?
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What defeated Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with education. First, there is no reason to believe that she was ever “pro public education”. As I’ve said before, her record in Arkansas was clear, she’s close friends with Eli Broad, she put John Podesta in charge of her campaign and she’s endorsed by DFER. So opposing her on other grounds was not cutting off my nose to spite my face when it comes to public education – your conviction that she would have been a strong supporter of public education is a pipe dream (admittedly there are times I’d like a smoke of that pipe)..
But more important, it was those “other issues” – and a very large does of Hillary herself – that defeated Hillary. You simply can’t run around calling people “superpredators” and “deplorables” and then wonder why people aren’t voting for you. You can’t give secret $250,000 dollar speeches to Wall Street bankers and wonder why people think you’re a tool of Wall Street. You can’t invade and drone bomb and special op a dozen Muslim countries and wonder why people think you’re a war monger. You can’t support private prisons and Monsanto and the oil industry and wonder why people think you’re a corporatist. Or well, you can, but the word for that is clueless.
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Jeff Bryant
“Trump won Erie and other Obama voting districts in PA in part because Dems utterly abandoned the infrastructure of those communities: jobs, schools, everything.”
Trump won Erie because establishment Dems not only abandoned infrastructure but the hopes and aspirations of those living in the Mid West to maintain a middle class life style . Nothing said it more than Obama running around the Nation promising to deliver TPP in the lame duck to those voters. Deliver it with the Republicans and however many Democrats were necessary . They by no means were the majority of Trump voters . But they were the margin of victory he needed to vote for him or just stay home.
Certainly Trump will do them more harm .That is the real crime committed by neo liberal Democrats .
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Jeff Bryant,
I think if you spend 3 1/2 minutes of your time to watch this clip, it is worth it. This is the kind of straightforward support for public schools that every single Democrat — progressive or moderate — should have been making for the last few years.
The interviewer in this clip is a huge supporter of the education reform movement. Most of the words coming from the interviewer could have been said by progressives politicians and conservatives. And probably have been. He tried very hard to frame the education debate in the terms that the reformers want and too many Dems help them do.
But the politician did not let that kind of framing work. This politician actually stated a clear and convincing reason to support public schools.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?400357-1/hillary-clinton-town-hall-meeting-orangeburg-south-carolina&live
Start with 36:10 – the interviewer’s question “We conducted a poll of Black parents…
And watch until 39:19. Three minutes of the best defense of public schools I have seen a politician make. Don’t stop early but watch all the way until 39:19 because just when you think it is over there is another great defense of public schools.
The politician who made this great defense of public schools is a has-been who will never run for office again. This is not about her. This is about why EVERY Democrat — and especially progressives — can’t use this kind of language that you hear in this clip to teach the public how important public schools are.
This clip re-frames the debate from the one the reformers want to the one that people who REALLY support public education want. It should be a model for every politician that calls himself or herself a progressive. This is how you talk about public schools and get voters to understand.
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“centrist think tank Third Way, promises to lead the party out of the “wilderness” of its minority status to a pathway to “achieving progressive majorities up and down the ballot.””
Centrist and progressive are a contradiction of terms. When are these fake progressives going to realize that Democrats lost their base when voters started realizing that their centrist party represents big business donors, not middle and low income people and not historically marginalized groups?
Many genuine progressives were Bernie supporters. Now that Donna Brazile verified that everything we thought was happening with the Democratic party actually did occur last year, and Elizabeth Warren has agreed, the party had better dramatically change course because many people will just stay home rather than vote in the future for only slightly lesser evil Democrats.
(Sorry if someone already said this, but I didn’t have time to read all the comments.)
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Homeless,
FYI, Elizabeth Warren’s education aide is TFA.
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OMG. Thanks for the info, Diane.
I think I found him: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuadelaney.
It’s really scary to think that this “education policy advisor” of hers did his Temp for America stint in Special Education. One can only hope the other person in the room with him was an actual teacher who provided guidance for him. That’s because, at the time, he was busy paving the way for his future by studying education policy and management at Harvard. He made no mention of taking courses that might have actually helped him to become effective as a novice Special Ed teacher, so he could serve his students optimally –as most genuine educators probably would have done.
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homelesseducator,
It’s really scary to me to think that this is the guy who a “progressive” turns to on education policy.
Some of the non-progressive democrats are much stronger defenders of public education than Warren or Sanders. How does a progressive vote when that happens? Do we abandon public education? Or abandon a 100% progressive agenda for one that is only 75% or 60% if we have a candidate who understands public education and stands up for it?
That’s the question that no one seems to be asking but that’s much closer to what we are facing, where the strongest supporters of public education are not the progressive Dems, they are the moderate ones.
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YES. So many “progressive” political stances and supporters come from a hands-off middle-class comfort and flat-out wealth — “saving” poor kids with no idea how far off the mark their presumably good intentions actually are.
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getting the mainstream media to actually consider what is going on in public education, including the taken for granted reform movement…is a huge problem. It seems to complicated or uninteresting to worry about.
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