Trump tweeted about the Virginia Gubernatorial election:
Ed Gillespie will turn the really bad Virginia economy #’s around, and fast. Strong on crime, he might even save our great statues/heritage!
Are the statues of Confederate heroes “great”? Do they represent “our heritage”?
If you supported the rebellion against the Union, then the statues of Confederate statues are “great.”
If you are white and if you sympathized with the Lost Cause of the Confederacy, if you regret that the Union won the Civil War, then you identify with the statues as “our heritage.”
I grew up in Texas, I went to a junior high school named for a Confederate General, but I did not think of the Confederacy as “my heritage.”
If I were black, I certainly would not see the Confederate cause as “my heritage.”
Who sees the statues of Confederate leaders as “our heritage”?
White supremacists.
Trump has outed himself. His heart lies with the white supremacists, the “fine” folks who marched with tiki torches in Charlottesville several weeks ago and chanted “The Jews will not replace us.”
Virginians have to decide whether their future lies with the racist past or with a future free of the Confederacy, a future that includes all Virginians, not just those who yearn for the days of white supremacy.
The past or the future? That’s the choice for Virginians when they decide between Ed Gillespie and Ralph Northam for Governor.
Diane Ravitch's blog 
Protesters splattered red liquid onto the base of the bronze statue of Theodore Roosevelt outside the American Museum of Natural History in Manhattan, and later published a statement on the internet calling for its removal as an emblem of “patriarchy, white supremacy and settler-colonialism.”
“Now the statue is bleeding,” said the statement Thursday from the protesters, who identified themselves as members of the Monument Removal Brigade. “We did not make it bleed. It is bloody at its very foundation.”
The group said the museum should “rethink its cultural halls regarding the colonial mentality behind them.”
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Good grief!
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Even worse .
“The poem was written in 1901, appearing in the Missouri Sedalia Sentinel on 25 October.[4] It followed widespread news reports that President Theodore Roosevelt and his family had dinner with African-American presidential adviser Booker T. Washington at the White House on 16 October of that year. Several journalists and politicians condemned Roosevelt’s action, claiming, among other things, that such an act made the two men appear equal in terms of social status. Democratic Senator Benjamin Tillman from South Carolina remarked, “The action of President Roosevelt in entertaining that n—— will necessitate our killing a thousand n——- in the South before they will learn their place again.”.
But if i wanted to portray those complaining about the statues of traitors , as wild eyed radicals . What could do more harm than vandalizing a statue of Roosevelt . The previous demonstration against the statue was a very benign event , over a year ago .
And it targeted various displays at the Museum as being racist in nature . More an academic event than a demonstration .
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Are you suggesting this was a “false flag” attack designed to create a broader backlash against monument defacements?
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Forgive me for nitpicking, but wouldn’t that technically be a ” False statue attack”?
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Or in this particular case, maybe a “false Teddy attack”?
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FLERP!
I am thinking there were a few more controversial statues than TR..
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Is that a yes? Sorry, Joel, sometimes I find it difficult to tell exactly what you’re saying.
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FLERP!
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks. Seems highly speculative, in my opinion. And there is some prior history of “legitimate” (i.e. non false-flag) attacks on this same statue of TR.
In my view, the slippery slope argument that Trump and others have used to oppose the removal of Confederate monuments has some merit (which is why the argument is so insidious). Yes, I can make a coherent distinction between Confederate monuments and monuments of TR and a hundred other major figures from American history. But nearly all if not all of those hundred other figures have histories that could be the basis for legitimate argument that they should be removed or defaced.
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FLERP,
Stupid activism.
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Do we actually know who attacked the statue ?! It would seem pretty stupid for a small known group of people . To commit a crime that could be traced back to them.
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They appear to have a web site, which you can find by googling the group’s name. Not sure if they’re “known.”
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There was an article about a previous demonstration with the names of various spokesman from the group . This is NYC ,you can be sure that the NYPD opened a file on the group . You can be sure that they provided the paint ( sarcasm noted ) . Point being that most radical activists would know know that they were being watched . I am just throwing it out there.
Who would have thought (sarcasm noted ) that the CIA would consider blowing up a boat of refugees or setting off bombs in Miami?! Point being not that authorities would do it . But that there is motive for others to have done it as well.
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Do you think DT writes all those tweets himself, or has some other six-year-old do it for him?
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Could be a good idea for a “President for a Day” program for the kids.
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Here’s a new test for determining if a response comes from a person or a computer
The Tweeting Test
If a tweet is too dumb to come from a computer, you can be sure it was from a human
(And this is by no means limited to Trump. In fact, I seriously doubt ANY self respecting computer would waste it’s time on Twitter)
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“The Tweeting Test”
The Tweeting Test
From Alan Tweeting
Is simply best
For human reading
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I posted a suggestion along the following lines on Virginia governor candidate Ralph Northam’s campaign website:
“Ask your Republican opponent Ed Gillespie,
‘If you are elected governor, will you ask the legislature to fund a prominent statue in front of the state house honoring the first Republican president, Abraham Lincoln, for his role in saving the union?
“‘Then, will you ask it to fund a fitting memorial to African-American and White Union veterans of Virginia birth who, by volunteering for United States (i.e. Union) military service, helped prevent the dismemberment of this country?'”
Rationale:
According to Wikipedia, “There are at least 223 public spaces with Confederate monuments in Virginia,[5] more than in any other state.[682][683]” But only one statue of Lincoln, located in Tredegar National Historic Landmark in Richmond, site of the Confederacy’s Tredegar Iron Works. When it was dedicated in 2003, it provoked protests from “sons of the Confederacy”: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/06/us/lincoln-statue-is-unveiled-and-protesters-come-out.html
The Confederacy, glorified for 150 years as a “Lost Cause” with battle flags and statues as a fight for “states’ rights,” needs to be called by its real name, an organized insurrection that aimed to establish a breakaway nation to preserve slavery and the political domination of the planter class. If an independent Confederacy had been established, the remaining union states could easily have fractured even further in a balkanized states of North America.
The Confederacy and its “Lost Cause” are not just euphemisms for racism; they represent treason, the antithesis of the patriotic correctness (pc) their advocates pretend to.
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All over the news tonight – news of Trump and the Trump camp blaming Clinton for everything, and complaining about how much money is being spent on Muller’s investigation – meanwhile, is it $1,000,000 per month in security for DeVoid? There’s a cost that can be cut. Its 2:30 in the morning. Time for bed.
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And $2 million a month for security for the EPA guy, who is NOT protecting the environment.
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Ed Gillespie has gone all-in on white supremacy and Confederate statues, borrowing that strategy not only from the GOP election files, but also hiring on Jack Morgan, a right-wing crack pot who formerly advised Corey Stewart in his failed attempt to win the Republican nomination for governor.
It was Stewart who made the Confederate statues in Charlottesville the focal point for KKKers, Neo-Nazis, and other white supremacists. Stewart came to Charlottesville and held a “rally” at the statue of Robert E. Lee, which was videoed, went viral among white supremacists, and the served as the launch point for a later KKK rally, and then the Unite the Right riot on August 12th.
The Republican party, in Virginia and nationally, is now officially the face of white supremacy in the U.S. Given its repudiation of the core values of democracy, and given its reliance on Russian intelligence agency assistance in electing* a president, it’s fair to label the Republican party as inherently unAmerican.
Robert Mueller’s first indictments in the Russia investigation may be made public as early as Monday.
Meanwhile, public schools are still focused on “college and careers.”
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While Trump is Tweeting disgusting things, Pence is busy in a different direction.
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The Koch Brothers Want A Tax Cut. Pence Is Ready To Help…International Business Times
BY ALEX KOTCH @ALEXKOTCH ON 10/18/17 AT 5:46 PM
In New York City last week, Vice President Mike Pence asked billionaire David Koch and around 100 other wealthy, conservative political donors for help in supporting a Republican tax plan. Since the plan would overwhelmingly benefit the richest Americans — like those he was addressing — Pence probably didn’t need to do much persuading.
“To get this tax cut across the line, to give the American people the tax relief that they need, we need every ounce of your energy and enthusiasm,” Pence told the Republican mega-donors who make up part of the powerful, right-wing political donor network headed by David Koch and his brother Charles, who together run a giant industrial conglomerate and are worth a combined $96.8 billion, according to Forbes. The Koch brothers, whose political operation rivals either of the two major parties, are libertarians and fiercely oppose taxation and government regulation.
One of the Kochs’ primary political advocacy groups, Americans for Prosperity, has already spent millions on a campaign urging GOP lawmakers to pass sweeping tax cuts. The group has, since this summer, planned events in 36 states, launched ads targeting Democratic incumbents in swing states, dispersed activists door-to-door and had its donors call Republican legislators.
http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/koch-brothers-want-tax-cut-pence-ready-help-2603270
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In Trump’s tax plan, if you earn $40-$50,000, the Institute on Taxation and the Economic Policy estimates a tax savings of $8 a week.
If you earn $10 million, you’ll save about a $1.5 million. As much as two-thirds of the tax cuts will go to the 1 percent.
The Center for American Progress Action Fund shows Trump’s family and Cabinet members would, combined, reap a $3.5 billion windfall from repeal of the state tax.
Trump’s plan would cap the tax rate on “pass-through income’ at 25 percent, giving millions in savings to millionaires and billionaires. Small business owners with modest profits would have taxes increased from 10% to 15%.
Great way to make American Great Again. There would be an increase in the deficit from $1.5 trillion to $2.5 trillion.
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You know what would really drive Trump nuts? If people stopped paying any attention to what he tweets. He’s yanking your chain. Don’t give him that power.
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But then what would all the highly educated twits do with their time?
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He has power because he is President, not because he tweets.
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His tweets have no more power than anyone else’s tweets. Worry about what he’s doing, not the outrageous stuff he says.
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Yes, exactly to Diane and Dienne. Trump can’t be ignored because he’s got the power to get us involved in a war with North Korea or any other country. Not to mention he is also stacking the courts with hard right wingers and is devising a tax plan that will set us up for another depression or severe economic melt down.
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Joe – I’m curious where I said anything about ignoring Trump? Do you not understand the difference between ignoring his antics (which are designed (and very effective!) to get people like you dancing like marionettes) vs. ignoring what he’s doing? In fact, if memory serves, I think I said actually something like “worry about what he’s doing“.
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“SOS : Save Our Statues”
The ship of state
Is in distress
The captain, mate
Sends SOS
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One suggested correction to your post above:
As an American, I certainly do not see the Confederate cause as “my heritage.”
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” Tweety Bird”
I tawt I taw
A puddy tat
Who tweeted twaddle
Tat in Hat
While otter birds
Do tweet about
Tay mid ta tat
Wittout a dout
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The Confederacy is a part of our history. Why is it progressives hate history even to the point of it not being taught in schools? I guess they hate the status quo no matter what it is! They are all about change. These statues are the status quo.
We need to get over this thing! Not all blacks ion the US are descendants of slaves and the last slave died almost 50 years ago. Most whites were not slave owners even in the South. Most whites that fought in the Civil War on the side of the Confederacy were not fighting for slavery but for State’s Rights, which the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution gave them. It was Lincoln who failed to see that any state even now should be allowed to secede. If he has just pulled his forces out of places like Ft. Sumter and Ft. Pickens in Florida we would not have had the Civil War. Slavery may have died off anyway.
The US Constitution does say in the Preamble (nonbinding) to insure domestic tranquility. Well Lincoln made sure that would not have it for what turned out to be 4 years.
Apparently, Thomas Jefferson said that states had the right to secede. I guess that if the Confederate States wanted to secede about 60 years earlier they would have been allowed to do so.
Nowhere in the US Constitution is it explicit or even implicit that the union must be maintained at all costs. I feel that the US Constitution was trashed almost from its acceptance. The 10 Amendment basically limits the Federal government to only those things explicitly stated for them to do, otherwise it is up to the states or individuals.
Even before Jefferson took office we had a standing army, which is not called for in the US Constitution. A standing navy is called for, yes. Even Jefferson presided over the opening of the US Military Academy at West Point. If we are not supposed to have standing army then what is the point of creating a permanent Army officer corps?
At the start of the war, counties in Northwest Virginia broke away from Virginia over slavery. It is now called West Virginia. Also, the territories out West broke away to form two distinct territories (not based on slavery though). Today they are known as the states of Utah and Nevada. Granted in neither case did these states leave the Union but they were allowed to divorce themselves from each other.
Lincoln reasoned (if it can be called that) that a house divided cannot stand. He must not have heard of duplex houses. He must not have heard that you can have more than one house. We already had North and South Carolina. So, Carolina was divided and yet both were and are still standing.
California wants secede and I hope that they do. I support any State’s right to secede.
I guess anything supported by whites is white supremacy? Again, it is a part of history. Stop worrying about the past.
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I learned about the Confederacy throughout my schooling. Of course it is part of history. But I do not consider the leaders of a rebellion that cost 600,000 lives to be heroes. Sorry. The abolitionists are heroes.
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Wow, that’s a whole lotta crazy packed into a few paragraphs!
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Not only a lot of crazy, but some historically questionable “facts” as well. Where do these people COME from???
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Exactly what “States Rights” were they fighting for (Hint: it’s in every single one of the secession documents)? What about when Northern states passed laws that the Southern states didn’t like? Was the Confederacy fighting for those rights too?
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Kentucky was a district of Virginia, before splitting off in 1792, and becoming a state.
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The history of the War between the states, must continue to be studied.
Sadly, most high school kids cannot fix the date of the war, to the nearest 50 years.
see
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/06/150-years-of-misunderstanding-the-civil-war/277022/
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And many think that the South should have won and that human slavery was okay.
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I am not in the group which thinks that the south should have won. And I certainly do not support slavery. Nevertheless, all Americans should have a knowledge of our history. I found the Atlantic article fascinating.
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Let’s be clear: The attempt at secession was not about “time out” in a children’s game. It was the intent to establish a separate nation state for the explicit purpose of preserving slavery and the privileges of large landowners, i.e. plantation owners, and, as an independent country, to claim possession of the territorial west.
Those who defend Confederate monuments are defending breakup of the U.S. and, when that failed, to reinforce the Jim Crow intent behind “states’ rights.” That’s why over 80% were erected after 1900 and over 270 were placed in front of courthouses.
Those who want to celebrate the “heritage” of the Confederacy (which, as Lincoln said in his Gettysburg Address, was not about dishonoring those who had died in battle) should tell us what North America would look like (geographically, economically, socially and racially), if the secessionists’ pursuit of “states’ rights” had been successful.
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