Yesterday Jeanne Allen, a leader in the privatization movement, posted a nasty blast at Matt Damon for daring to narrate the pro-public school film “Backpack Full of Cash,” in which she was interviewed. In the article, she also took a swipe at me, saying that I turned my back on the School Choice Theology because of my friendship with an unnamed union leader. Jeanne warned that she has emails to prove I used to be on her side. Big deal! I wrote a book about my conversion from the Dark Side. It is called “The Death and Life of the Great American School System: How Testing and Choice Are Undermining Education.” Clearly, Jeanne hasn’t read the book. I recommend that she do so; perhaps she will learn about the damage she is doing to children, schools, communities, and our democracy.
Remember, I was part of the School Choice-Privatization cult until 2008 or so. Jeanne tweeted my article this morning and read it (bizarrely) as a statement that I care about unions, not kids. She, who wants to destroy our nation’s public schools, which are the choice of nearly 90% of American families, is “for the kids.” But also for the profiteers, the entrepreneurs, the film-flam con artists and scammers who open charter schools—or who get the money from the state and never open a school at all. She is for the destruction, privatization, and monetization of the public schools, turning the kids into an investment opportunity for the vulture capitalists on her board.
So, here is what I wrote:
“One of the most annoying aspects of the privatization movement is that they pretend to be progressives. They are not. They are reactionaries, and they have the history to prove it.
“They stole the word “Reform,” so they could pretend they wanted to make schools better instead of admitting that they want to replace public schools with religious schools, private schools, for-profit schools, online schools, anything but public schools. Hint: Destruction is not reform.
“Take Jeanne Allen, the CEO of the misnamed Center for Education Reform. Jeanne worked for the far-right Heritage Foundation before she launched CER many years ago. She wants School Choice. She is indistinguishable from Betsy DeVos. She loves charter schools, vouchers, anything but public schools. She pretends that School Choice is a progressive cause. No, it is not.
“She recently wrote an article criticizing some of us who support public schools (like nearly 90 percent of all families). She criticized the great Matt Damon, who narrated a new pro-public school film called “Backpack Full of Cash,” because the film criticizes privatization. The film was made by professional filmmakers.
I urge everyone to arrange a screening in your community (public television showed a four-part series called “School” by the same team in 2000, but won’t touch “Backpack” because it’s too controversial).
“Allen criticizes me too, because I flipped from being a supporter of charters to being an outspoken critic. She blames my conversion on my friendship with a union leader.
“She had me stumped there.
“Did she mean Al Shanker? He was president of the American Federation of Teachers when I first met him in 1974. He read my first book, a history of the New York City public schools, and he called out of the blue to say he loved it.
“He wrote a weekly column in the New York Times, and he asked, “Do you want me to praise it or blast it?” We became good friends, had dinner, exchanged ideas. In the late 1980s, I visited newly freed Soviet satellite nations as part of an AFT group promoting democracy and civic education. Arch-conservative Checker Finn was part of the same group sponsored by the AFT. We visited Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland and Romania to talk to newly unionized teachers. Al Shanker was a great intellectual and one of my heroes. I was proud to call him my friend.
“Did Allen mean Sandy Feldman? I knew her for many years too. I had many great dinners with her and her husband Arthur Barnes.
“Maybe she meant Randi Weingarten? I have known Randi since 1998. I consider her a close friend, although I admit we sometimes have fights over issues. We differ over the Common Core; she likes it, I don’t. We differ over charters. She likes some (the ones that join the union), I see them as the gateway to privatization. Despite our differences, we agree on the importance of public education, a strong teaching profession, well-funded schools, and the right of workers to join unions to bargain collectively.
“I am also friendly with Lily Eskelsen Garcia, presidency of the NEA. we shared an evening of pizza and wine and laughs in my apartment not so long ago.
“I have never belonged to a union, but I believe in them as democratic institutions. Jeanne Allen and her libertarian friends hate teachers’ unions, and they think they can smear people by accusing them of being friends of unions. The reactionary right has done a good job of destroying unions, and they hurt our democracy by their anti-unionism.
“Here is why.
“Unions give working people a collective voice. A single worker has no voice. They can be fired arbitrarily. Unions protect a teacher’s right to due process if their boss wants to fire them. They are entitled to a hearing and to know the charges against them. Unions fight to improve wages and working conditions. Unions protect public schools against budget cuts that harm education.
“Above all, unions create a path into the middle class. As unions shrink, so does the middle class. As unions shrink, income inequality grows. Unions are especially important for people of color, who need a strong organization to fight for their job rights.
“Jeanne Allen, Betsy DeVos, Donald Trump, the Koch brothers, and their billionaire buddies (some of whom are on the board of Allen’s Center for Education Reform) would like to roll back the New Deal. Not I. I want us to have a vibrant society, strong unions, well-funded public schools, a respected teaching profession, and a genuine narrowing of the income inequality that blights our society.
“We need to strengthen the New Deal, not get rid of it. Public schools are part of the promise of America. We cannot let libertarians destroy our public institutions by privatizing them. The good news is that the public supports public schools, not privatization. There have been 19 state referenda on vouchers, and vouchers lost overwhelmingly every time. Last fall, Massachusetts held a referendum on whether to expand the number of charters, and the proposal was voted down in almost every school district in the state (only the rich districts, which did not want charters for themselves, voted in favor).
“I confess: I favor public schools. I oppose charters and vouchers. I support teachers unions. I am proud of my friendship with union leaders.“
Well let me just take a play out of the right wing reformy playbook, the chapter on persuasion. If you are anti-Union, you are anti-Catholic, period. The longstanding doctrine of the Catholic Church, since 1891 at least, is unambiguously pro union and pro worker. Get the details at http://www.catholicscholarsforworkerjustice.org
Wow. The older I get the dumber I am. Thanks Jon.
Jeanne Allen has never been a friend of public education. Personal attacks are from Trump’s playbook–not an ounce of dignity.
That’s amazing, because Catholic school teachers work for about one-third of what public school teachers do, and are not unionized, unless things have changed in the 21st century. Neither do you need a credential to teach in a Catholic school.
The one thing these pro-charter advocates don’t like to admit to is the inherent racism in the charters they promote.
I wish you would ask Jeanne Allen if she believes without question those who claim that over 20% of the 5 year olds who enroll in some of the highest performing charters are inherently violent? And ask Jeanne Allen if she believes such a disproportionately high number of 5 year olds in that charter are violent because they are African-American or because they are low-income? Or what other theory she has about why there are so many more violent 5 year olds in the highest performing charters than there are in all the mediocre charters that don’t get good test scores?
If Jeanne Allen can come up with a theory about why the African-American students whose very motivated parents choose the highest performing charter would act out violently in their kindergarten classes at a rate that is significantly higher than the students whose parents chose mediocre charters, I’d like to hear it. Maybe she’ll say “the best charters attract the most violent 5 year olds”.
After all, that’s what the SUNY Charter Institute keeps telling us is true. Seriously, that is what SUNY tells us when they say “we accept without question that the kindergarten and first grade students at a high performing charter school are disproportionately more violent and more worthy of suspensions than the students at any other charter school we authorize.”
If there were more real journalists covering the education beat, the folks at SUNY would have to explain their thinking when they reward and praise the charters who claim to have the most violent 5 year olds for their ‘good teaching’. Train more teachers says SUNY!
Instead, SUNY gets to imply their racist beliefs that non-white kindergarten students in high performing charters are more naturally violent without any journalist ever asking them to defend such an outrageously racist belief.
I will always support unions for a simple reason: the backbone and courage it gives teachers. Been involved with education in 4 states (NY, CT, MA and AZ). In AZ with its long standing right to work law, most teachers and administrators afraid/reluctant to express an opinion except in private. In MA I remember well when collective bargaining was approved by the state. The transformation of so many teachers and administrators was amazing. Don’t always agree with some of the positions UFT or NEA affiliates take, but I will always applaud the strength of individual teachers.
Obviously you are correct , this has absolutely nothing to do with education nor children. I love the right wing . As Lofgren said they know how to use language.
So you feel they have hijacked the education reform movement. How about they have hijacked the language and issues of the progressive movement. Their elected opposition and opposition in the MSM is not an opposition at all. Which is why they get away with it. They even have commenters on this site including you, defending their agenda, not on education of course. A true opposition is one that opposes them almost across the board. As they are unified in their objectives. . One that is willing to challenge the real seat of power in this Nation , wake me when it happens.
I love unions been a member for 45 years , son of a member who entered the movement in the 1920’s , had the privilege of working with one of its pioneers . . They are not an opposition either . They for the most part since inception , have been content to eek out small gains for their own members at the expense of other Unions and of a true social movement . In the process they have sealed their own fate. The Teachers Unions are not alone in seeking to use the value model to justify their existence . It is not working out for them any better than it has for others . But it was and is easier than fighting the fight that had to be fought.
The UFT/AFT has the ability to end charter schools in NY . Are their members up to it . I suspect they are not which is why the problem continues .
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/06/steve-bannons-thomas-frank-wrecking-crew
Correction in content . including you, should read including you unwittingly defending their agenda.
I think you unwittingly help them promote their agenda.
You repeat the right wing talking points against Democrats and give them power. You unwittingly help them smear progressives like Russ Feingold and moderate/progressives like Hillary Clinton. With your sweeping condemnation of the entire Democratic party you do the right wing’s dirty work for them.
I think they laugh and celebrate when they read posts like this. Make sure the beloved white men in unions in the midwest believe their propaganda that the liberals hate and despise them and only the Republicans respect them.
Sadly, it worked really well to defeat Russ Feingold. I’m sure many other progressives will go down since they are part of the Dem party that is entirely and wholly owned and operated as a corrupt arm of corporate and Wall Street power. They know it is true. Because even Democrats like Joel Herman tell them it is true.
Just stop with your ridicules garbage. “Hillary a moderate progressive”. . I can’t take winning with you and Hill any more. An unstable fascist now sits in the seat of power with his hands on nukes and you don’t stop . So why not just go man a phone bank for Bill you live in the city.
His 20 to 40 point lead needs support.
You have no idea what my criticism of the Union movement is about . As for the Democrats I will vote for them but they can go to hell . They have totally sold out the Union movement that has supported them for 80 years . Making it difficult for Union leaders to reach their members with a message.It was not Republi-scum who killed EFCA but Diane Feinstein, most union members do not know that. They only know that it went nowhere when Democrats had full control of the Government with a supper majority . . Clinton and Obama support for REPUBLICAN trade agreements devastated Union manufacturing from where it had been in the 90s . Take that Carrier plant that is still moving to Mexico were those 1300 jobs replace by robots in Mexico . We can argue what will happen to the 700 that remain . The assault on Public schools and their Union teachers by the that good friend of Labor Obama. Declaring charter teacher appreciation week. After of course he announced the Stimulus package at the Caterpillar Pillar plant that broke the UAW. He can go to hell too. Perhaps he will find a pair of slippers there and show up in Wisconsin .
You are worried about charters , how about the AFT could end charters in NY on the first day of school next year . If 500,000 members of the AFT refused to go to work until the Charter schools were forced to live up to the same requirements, accountability as public schools, including the labor laws of the state of NY. enshrined in the States constitution. . A not unreasonable demand. If those teachers were in turn backed up by the entire union movement in the state . You would see Andrew quickly ducking for cover . But wake me that is just a dream . Of course it is a dream, because you could not even get the members of the UFT to make the sacrifice “Content to go down with the ship as long as they had a (first class) cabin” .
As for the other Unions we had the Construction trades the largest group of private sector Unions in the state make a Faustian deal with Andrew Cuomo selling out Teachers and other Public sector workers in exchange for Public works projects . A bargain that Cuomo is delivering on . One that will probably secure my pension for decades. Of course when these massive construction projects are done they will be in a far worse place .
That is my criticism of the Union movement , we are not a movement . We are a collection of individual Unions each with our own agendas .
There is a man named Richard Trumka perhaps you have heard of him,he agrees.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/08/07/richard-trumka-labor-movement/2629155/
Sadly those individual Unions defeated his efforts , unwilling to share power ,hoping to be retired by the time the ship goes down. . The Union movement ceased being a movement with the end of the Wobblies .
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I agree that Clinton and Obama sold out unions (although your claim of Obama having a “super majority” is right wing propaganda except for the briefest of time while Kennedy was dying).
We disagree on your smear of the entire Democratic party. We disagree on your absolute certainty that Hillary was a corrupt liar so that you ignored everything her platform said. That she did what no other Dem had done and moved LEFT after winning the primary. That wasn’t good enough to stop you from non-stop talk about how dishonest and corrupt the Dems were — voting for them after smearing them all as corrupt didn’t do Feingold any favors.
But we don’t have to debate anymore. Trump will get rid of NAFTA! It’s that simple to you. All will be well. Those evil Dems who supported NAFTA knew that if they only got rid of it all would be well.
But they were so determined to hurt the union that they prevented this.
Joel, you started this by blaming Diane. You blame everyone except the people who should be blamed — those Wisconsin white men who embraced the racism of Trump because it provided a convenient scapegoat for a very complicated economic issue.
“The UFT/AFT has the ability to end charter schools in NY…”
Um, victim blame much?
There are many things about the teachers’ union that annoy me (as a public school parent) and many things that I agree with them on.
But spouting this just seems ridiculous. Instead of blaming the teachers union, why don’t you blame the unions in the midwest who had the power to stop Trump and instead their membership embraced the entire racist agenda?
Donald Trump does not control the NY Board of regents . Donald Trump does not control the NY State Legislature . Andrew Cuomo does both houses and the governors seat. Yes the IDC which he controls gives him the Senate. Go man a phone bank, ask them to vote no on Con Con as well . And while you’re at it, drop your subscription to Spectrum which has the highest paid CEO in the country 99 million a year . Trying to take away pension and healthcare bennifits from 1800 workers who have been out on strike for 7months . They may or may not win this battle but they have put their economic lives on the line to fight for it . The strike, the withholding of ones labor is the only weapon labor has ever had . If the UFT is unwilling to use it they are useless . .
The difference between us, Joel:
I am careful to distinguish that there are Democrats who are progressive and those who are not. You act as if there are no progressive Democrats. It simply feeds into the narrative that keeps Dems out of power.
I don’t defend all Dems. I defend the ones who stand for crappy things. it’s hard to defeat Andrew Cuomo when Bernie Sanders gives him cover by embracing him as a progressive who wants to give free college to students. So, according to you, free college for the middle class is more important than defeating a REAL right wing Democrat.
That’s a legitimate choice. And so it the choice of teachers. But you have a hypocritical double standard. it’s okay for union workers in Wisconsin to actually directly support the entire right wing agenda. But how dare a NY teacher just work hard to elect a progressive instead of going on strike.
Would you be more sympathetic of union teachers if they did what your beloved white working class Wisconsin union men did and simply voted for Trump?
You turn your friends into enemies. You demonize the people who support a progressive agenda.
And you idealize the ones who completely abandon it because the racist ideas of Trump made them feel good. They should be pandered to. But the NY teachers and Diane Ravitch are ruining it for everyone.
I truly do not understand where you come from at all. But I know that your one-sided anger at the Dems are what gets Dems like Russ Feingold defeated and what gets Cuomo re-elected.
^^^typo: I DON’T defend the ones who stand for crappy things…
If you want to know what the difference is between you and Joel (and many, many others), it’s that you believe what Hillary and other Democrats say, whereas Joel (and the rest of us) look at what they do. You talk about how Hillary “moved left” after the primary, which is a scream, unless you’re only looking at her words, and even then, only certain words to certain people. Unlike the stock market, with people, past performance is the best indication of future performance. Hillary would no more have “gone left” than I would have converted to Mormonism.
“Hillary would no more have “gone left” than I would have converted to Mormonism.”
dienne77 do you have a history of fighting for Mormonism?
Did you spend your twenties working for Mormonism?
Did you work for Mormonism, get attacked and excoriated publicly for your embrace of it, and instead of slinking away in shame, quietly work to promote Mormonist values in a way that did much good?
(Did you ever hear of the CHiPs insurance for children?)
If so, I wouldn’t be surprised if you converted to Mormonism.
Of course, if I had heard non-stop propaganda from people who wanted to undermine your Mormonism to tell me that you had actually spent your entire life doing everything you could to defeat the entire Mormonist agenda, then I’d be just as convinced as you think I would be that you would never convert to Mormonism since you obviously hate everything about it with all your heart.
But then I believe in facts and not the propaganda.
“But we don’t have to debate anymore. Trump will get rid of NAFTA!”
In what World do you live in . So far two of the three rounds of negotiations have been a pro corporate mirror of the Obama agenda .
American workers are in deathly fear of losing patent rights. Canada offering a proposal to empower Unions that should terrify Trump and Mexico.
.According to the AFL-CIO and Public Citizen , Global Trade watch .
Trump will just make a raw deal and tell his base it is a great deal.
I do not smear the whole Democratic Party . Probably only smear the 51 % who voted for Perez after this horrendous defeat.
Kennedy died 200 days + or – into the congressional session . Certainly enough time to bring EFCA out of committee. One might say had the financial crises been managed correctly as a political event . Something the Republicans would never have missed the opportunity to do. The legislative session would have been a Roosevelt moment . The first 100 days a Tsunami of progressive legislation. . The site of one Banker being taken away in handcuffs would have made the Rick Santelli moment look like a Tea Party for little Girls . Sewell Avery chairmen of Montgomery Ward , his arrest spoke volumes . A picture worth a thousand words . Of course Obama was busy trying to convince America that Social Security and Medicare was the problem . The whiners all sucking on “a milk cow with 310 million tits” .
Stop blaming those workers in the mid-west for the utter failure to put on a pair of slippers in Wisconsin or come to Flint Michigan with a firing squad. Mass poisoning deserving nothing less . Now I can not verify it but apparently that glass of water Obama drank in Flint was from Air-force One.
You choose to degenerate Blue collar workers in Wisconsin or Michigan . I call a fraud a fraud both Clinton and Obama were frauds.
“Stop blaming those workers in the mid-west for the utter failure to put on a pair of slippers in Wisconsin…”
Stop telling me why I am blaming them.
I’m blaming them for one reason only: for voting for a man who made it very clear how racist, xenophobic and fascist he was. For voting for a man who had spent the last 5 years promoting the birther movement. For voting for a man who constantly lies. For voting for the man who conned people with Trump U. For voting for a man who was such an obvious snake oil salesman that most reasonable Republicans couldn’t support him.
Unlike you, I don’t accept the excuse “but Hillary didn’t campaign here so how could we know what she believed.”
Give me a break. I haven’t seen a presidential candidate for decades. Neither have the voters in most of California, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Connecticut, etc. etc.
You have a lot of chutzpah to blame the fact that white Wisconsin voters EMBRACED racism on whether Hillary made a campaign appearance. it’s not their fault they voted for the fascist. They couldn’t help it his ideas were so appealing to them and of course, if only Hillary had appeared there it would have made all the difference.
Talk about enabling fascism. No doubt the Germans would have loved to have enablers like you who blamed the rise of Hitler on whoever his opponent was and hold the German people blameless for their adoration of a fascist dictator spewing hatred and ugliness. Of course they embraced Hitler’s fascism! it wasn’t their fault it was the fault of the guy who lost to Hitler.
I want to be kind, but I am so disgusted and your posts just make me depressed. Dems will lose again and you will come up with some other reason that they didn’t pander enough to the people who were fine with the racism of Trump. How dare the Dems not find a nice convenient scapegoat for the people who deserve to have one. The honorable folks in Wisconsin who embraced Trump and STILL seem to embrace him! Maybe you can blame Hillary for that, too.
“Dems will lose again….”
Wow, good thing I was sitting down when I read that. Might be the first time we’ve agreed in about a year. Yes, the Dems will continue to lose until they figure out What Really Happened. And to figure that out, Hillary (and the rest of them) needs to look in a mirror, not out the window.
Are you glad Jimmy Carter was defeated, dienne77?
By your answer I hope to figure out if you are a troll or not.
I don’t think you actually want Dems to win. You obviously despise Bernie Sanders since he just embraced Andrew Cuomo and did more to help his re-election than any right wing donor could have.
So, you hate Bernie. You hate Hillary. You hate Jimmy Carter.
Please name ONE politician who you would vote for? Jill Stein? Is that it? Who is your perfect candidate that isn’t working hard for Andrew Cuomo and the DFER candidate?
Jimmy Carter? Yes or no?
^^and dienne77, it doesn’t matter whether Hillary falls on her sword.
Because you are looking for a scapegoat. You repeat the propaganda as if you are absolutely certain it is true.
I have no doubt you’ll fall for it again even if Bernie handpicks the next Democratic candidate.
NYC public school parent
“For voting for a man who was such an obvious snake oil salesman that most reasonable Republicans couldn’t support him”
You are to be forgiven for not seeing the 44 point spread for De Blasio. Although it will narrow somewhat, so you better volunteer at a phone bank .
You are to be forgiven for being delusional enough to think that Hillary was ever going to be able to make up for the drop off to normal voter participation in the black community A 5% off.
But what in Gods name is a reasonable Republican and Hillary spent the whole election trying to find some and couldn’t find more than a handful. 91% voted for Trump . 7% for Clinton 1% higher than Obama.
This election was lost by voters who stayed home Black and White working class. . Try harder .
Joel Herman
First, I am very aware of de Blasio’s lead. I am also very aware that the right wing billionaire supporters of charter schools will do anything to defeat him. They are very good at convincing people like dienne77 to believe de Blasio is actually a sell-out to corporate interests and to get people to despise him as much as they did Hillary. Hearing dienne77 repeating those kinds of right-wing driven memes about de Blasio, I expect a very close election. You have no idea what I am doing to help elect him. I will be thrilled for you to say “I told you so” after election day. I remember you and others telling the same before the 2016 election, so pardon me for not counting my chickens before they hatch. I only have to hear dienne77 repeating the anti-de Blasio propaganda to know how many people are conditioned to believe any smears of a Democrat as not being good enough.
You say of Republicans:
“91% voted for Trump . 7% for Clinton 1% higher than Obama”. Correct. But the % of American that identified as “Republicans” has been shrinking. So getting 7% from a group of far right means the few moderates left in the party.
You say:
“This election was lost by voters who stayed home Black and White working class. . Try harder”
Finally — we agree! Although I bet we don’t agree on why they stayed home.
An expensive and targeted campaign to disenfranchise traditionally Democratic voters that paid off. One of the most appalling white bernie bro actions was their determination to ignore that because they didn’t care one bit about the disenfranchisement of “others” and how it affected this election. Anytime this raised, bernie bros shut it down yelling “shut up you know it was all Clinton’s fault she didn’t come to Wisconsin and pander to the white working class”. This should have been a huge issue but instead got lost because it just wasn’t important to white bernie bros.
Bernie bros and Russian and alt right trolls who spent the entire campaign talking about Hillary exactly the way you do. Why bother to come out and vote for such a corrupt, sell-out when the Republicans spent alot of effort to try to disenfranchise you anyway?
Everyone knows that the Russian propaganda effort was all about suppressing the vote — getting Hillary voters to dislike her so much they couldn’t be bothered to come out. Thanks so much for helping them. (Sarcasm, because it makes me furious to see how many bernie bro types helped them do their dirty work.)
Dienne: This is not the first time you’ve impuned Mormons. I know that no one else on this blog cares that you have done this, or you would have stopped by now.
Please stop. To imply that Mormonism is somehow defective is offensive to me, at least.
Yes, TOW, writing as one who follows no religion, you make an important point. Whether we believe or not, if we do not respect the first amendment and its freedom of religion clause, then we just need to pack it in and close up this blog. Even if we don’t believe, we must, as Americans, respect the rights of all religions. I feel the same way about Islam, Judaism, Catholicism, Protestantism, the Latter Day Saints, and other religions. Regrettably, I will confess to being a hypocrite about Scientology. But at least I recognize my hypocrisy. I guess that’s something.
Joel,
I had to look up EFCA.
I found this:
https://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/economy/news/2009/03/11/5814/the-employee-free-choice-act-101/
But since this cite supports it and I know from you that the Center for American Progress is evil, are you saying the EFCA is a bad thing pretending to be good?
I’m not being facetious. I really do not know enough about this. But CAP supports it so it must be bad, right? Because CAP = Hillary = evil.
The EFCA would have been a great thing, had it not been killed by Obama and the Democrats.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-elk/abandoning-efca-is-obamas_b_414209.html
Thanks, dienne77!
That was a very interesting article. I missed where it said that Hillary Clinton and the like were right wing conservatives who hated unions, however.
What I DID see is that apparently I was right nearly 40 years ago to trash Jimmy Carter as a complete sell-out just like you do Hillary Clinton. According to your judgement, he is just as evil as Hillary was and good thing I trashed him and refused to vote for him because wasn’t Ronald Reagan grand? or at least, didn’t I prove to everyone that the only way to get reform was to defeat those co-opted corrupt Democrats like Jimmy Carter.
Although another way to view that is that the issue is COMPLICATED. And sometimes the fact that a politician like Jimmy Carter seems to sell it out does not mean he is corrupt and awful and he might actually be a better choice than Reagan.
Of course, if you believe having Reagan in office will lead to some wonderful progressive, I can only point to history to defend my POV that you are wrong.
but I’ve been there. I get it. As your link showed, maybe I was right to despise Carter as corrupt and help elect Reagan.
Do you seriously think Hillary is any different than Obama when it comes to unions? What has she ever done for unions? She wasn’t involved in destroying EFCA because she was too busy pushing more Middle Eastern conflicts as Secretary of State, but I have no doubt she would have done the same as Obama (if not worse) if she had been in a position to do so.
From the AFLCIO:
She’s with us. Lon”g before she starting running for president, Hillary Clinton was a champion for working people and the unions that represent them. That’s why we’re working hard to make sure she’s the next occupant of the White House.
“In this video from the Electrical Workers (IBEW), David Falletta, former Local 97 business manager, tells the story of utility workers in upstate New York who were in tough negotiations in 2004. The company, National Grid, wanted massive cutbacks and was threatening to lay the workers off if they didn’t agree. That’s when then-Sen. Hillary Clinton stepped in. Watch the video to see Falletta explain what happened next, which he describes as “a miracle.”
https://aflcio.org/2016/9/16/hillary-clinton-has-history-standing-union-workers
Name a Republican candidate for president or a GOP president other than Teddy Roosevelt that ever stood up for labor unions in any way.
Let it go with Hillsry.
She won nearly three million votes more than the moron. He is demolishing everything since the New Deal.
She would have been a great president.
Sad for our country.
A malignant narcissist and an insecure bully in the White House. Threatening to nuke North Korea. Bringing back coal. Eviscerating healthcare. Rolling back Civil Rights. Threatening to take away the right to broadcast from NBC because he doesn’t like their coverage.
Appointing racists and homophobes to the federal appeals courts.
Hillary would have been a great president.
Thank you, Lloyd.
How depressing is it that people who claim to be progressives work so hard to promote the entire right wing smear attacks on Hillary?
If I didn’t know better, I would believe dienne77 is a right wing troll. Her posts mirror exactly the non-stop Facebook posts that young progressives with little knowledge of history were inundated with to get them to vote 3rd party or sit out the election. There was absolutely no reasoning with them. They read what the right wing propaganda told them about Hillary and accepted it as gospel.
Instead of a troll, I think dienne77 is an example of how dangerous the right wing propaganda is. Look how hard she fights to insist Hillary is evil no matter what she is told. This is what lost Hillary the election. People like dienne77 who believed every word of it and could see no nuance.
If you defend Hillary from these attacks, they attack you as “oh you say Hillary is perfect”. No one is saying that. We are saying she is better than most politicians and one of the more progressive Democrats who have run for president in recent history.
But because dienne77 and people like her, we now have Trump instead of one of the more progressive Dems in history.
Anyone who doesn’t understand why the right wing has been fighting and smearing Hillary Clinton for over 25 years is truly ignorant. It isn’t because she embraces their corporate agenda. It is because she is progressive and gets things done — a dangerous combination that people like dienne77 made sure would never get power.
Lloyd Lofthouse
Glad you brought that up . Because I happen to be a member of the largest Union Local in the IBEW . In fact it is the Local who long before this election confronted Trump for developing non union across country . But not in NY
http://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/16Daily/1607/Trump
https://aflcio.org/2016/7/12/when-donald-trump-had-choice-he-chose-nonunion-labor-his-construction-projects-ibew
. The local that got a special call out from Donald Hump when he came to the Building Trades convention and was booed by the IBEW . He said ” it must have been local 3 they get paid too much”, it was. Of course all the other trades were there kissing his A$$.
So here is a little secret of course we supported Hillary over Hump . That is not the issue, suicide is not an option.
But did we support Hillary in the NY primary? Well that gets very complicated . The week before the election this endorsement was issued.
“We love Bernie we love Hillary , Hillary reached out and gave us a call Bernie did not so we are giving our endorsement to Hillary. But you vote for whom you want”
As a relative insider, I will translate this to you. In 42 years I have never seen such a weak endorsement. It was not the call from Hillary that got this Lukewarm endorsement . It was the call from Andrew Cuomo. “Politics is who determines who gets what when and how” .
Cuomo controls the purse strings. In NY state .
Neither dienne77 nor I would assert that there are friendly Republicans
our difference is whether the Democrats deserve our support . Was Hillary better than Trump ? Yes . So was a Rabid dog.
I think the union said that because it knew that Hillary was a vulnerable candidate due to decades of alleged conspiracy theories and lies being spread to fool as many easy to fool people as possible.
What the Russians did to achieve the same results was a drop in an ocean of lies and smear campaigns. The Clintons are not perfect and they lie occasionally too but Trump is like a volcano of lies compared to their meager candle flame.
Joel, you have made it very clear how despicable you believe evil Hillary is. “She’s better than Trump but so is a rabid dog” is your highest compliment. And then you sit there and tell me that it’s her fault she couldn’t convince the voters in Wisconsin when there were self-defined Dems who were pushing the same nasty right wing propaganda as Russia. Your over the top attacks — from a self-described Dem — did more harm than 100 visits to Wisconsin could have countered. Why should Wisconsin voters vote for her when you just told us she was about as appealing as a rabid dog? Because she showed up? It doesn’t work that way. That’s why she won in NY, California, Mass., etc.
But the alt right propaganda factory owners say thank you for helping us smear the most progressive Democratic candidate in the last 30 years.
Is she better than Obama? I believe she is.
Is she better than Bill Clinton? I believe she is.
Is she better than Carter? Just ask dienne77 how evil Carter began this demise of unions.
Is she better than Al Gore? I believe she is.
Did Hillary run on a platform that was far more progressive than any of them? yes. She ran on a MORE progressive platform.
But you spent the campaign making it clear that she’s about as much better than Trump as a rabid dog would be. Because that’s so much of a better selling point to those voters in Wisconsin than saying that Hillary would be the most progressive Democratic President since LBJ.
Again I ask you, why do you think that the right wing has targeted Hillary since she was first lady? Why were they focused on attacking her since 1992? Because she was no different than they were and couldn’t wait to sell out America?
There is nothing more sad than watching you spend all last fall and into this year ignoring the proof right in front of you because you got played by the right wing to help them completely trash one of the most progressive Democrats who had a chance to win. Sure Bernie was MORE progressive (except on guns and charters) but that didn’t mean Hillary Clinton was in the tank for big business and Wall Street.
What fools who thought “I know the right wing has been after her for decades, but it’s because she’s really conservative”.
Nope, Hillary can only be compared to the perfect, great, wonderful, he who must never be criticized, gun-control fighting, DFER endorsing Bernie Sanders so that angry white men and women who should have known better told America that Hillary was the right wing plant who planned to sell them all out as soon as she was elected. But like a rabid dog she is a tiny bit better than Trump. (Or as some other posters here kept saying, “just as bad” as Trump).
I don’t know how the right wing got people like you to drink the Hillary is evil kool-aid but as a Bernie supporter who knows you gulped it down and asked for seconds, I blame you for helping the right wing propaganda win.
Although since I’m guilty of claiming Jimmy Carter was just as corrupt, I shouldn’t really fault you. Given your hatred of any Democrat who veers from what you believe is right, I am certain that you and I both believed Carter was the most corrupt Dem in history and he deserved to lose. I don’t believe it anymore but given your strong anti-Hilllary feelings, I suspect you still believe Carter is just as corrupt.
But I have no faith at all that you won’t be played again by whatever propaganda convinces you the next candidate just isn’t progressive enough that you aren’t going to help the right wing trash his or her character. While claiming your vote for the rabid dog makes you blameless.
Lloyd Lofthouse
I said I was a relative insider . It was not because they felt she was vulnerable due to decades of smear campaign . It was because of decades of policy that was damaging to Unions . From Bill Clinton to Obama . It was also because of decades of strong support from Sanders that he was as popular with the rank and file as the leadership. . If there were questions they were would Sanders be able to overcome his self inflicted socialist label. The endorsement was because of a call from the Governor. That you can take to the bank.
Labor had gone to Philadelphia during the Democratic convention of 2012 as a reaction to Obama . Ed Hill the president of the IBEW led that movement . Trumka had made a statement that Democrats could no longer count on routine support from Labors dollars . Obama went to Osawatomie Kansas and had a rebirth as Teddy Roosevelt. They Ultimately supported him in the election. But leadership may realize the Political realities of having to vote lesser evil . The membership is not as forgiving . Eventually they take their anger and direct it to the only thing standing between them and the “Barbarians at the gates “, their own unions. . Just north of NYCPSP is Westchester county NY . The Local IBEW Union has been dissolved its members now represented by Local 3 . The wait for a job 99 weeks You think they are listening to leadership.
NYCPSP should not be commenting on Unions if she had to look up EFCA .
Where did the white working class go and why.
https://ourfuture.org/20160120/who-lost-the-white-working-class
http://truth-out.org/archive/component/k2/item/87513:abandoning-efca-is-obamas-political-suicide-lessons-from-three-presidents-on-workers-rights
“Where did the white working class go and why.”
They are too busy texting on their smartphones as they drive and walk without seeing what’s around them.
Lloyd Lofthouse
I think you are being rather demeaning Lloyd .
But the answer is there was a time when 70 to 80 % of these workers voted and they voted in lock step with the leadership of their Union . Ignored their racial prejudices . As their Unions /jobs disappeared so did that dynamic.
dianeravitch
We certainly do not disagree about the moron .. That is not the issue here but “great ” I would have to say for whom !
She would have been great for the country. And she would have been far better than most recent Dems for labor.
Since when is good the enemy of “perfect”?
You couldn’t see a bit of good in her because she “wasn’t Bernie”. And while I would have been fine with Bernie, I’m not as deluded as the cult that follows him to think he would have managed to accomplish miracles.
Your over the top trashing and smearing of Hillary is justified, you claim, because you are 1. angry at her husband and 2. angry at Obama. And yet you never say nasty things about Obama the way you do about Hillary. You don’t The nastiness you exhibit every time you talk about Hillary is so evident it is almost a characterization of women-hating. You hate her MORE than her husband and Obama which is outrageous if you are really a progressive because one thing that was absolutely clear is that she was more progressive than either of them. But you talk about her in a far more nasty way. “Rabid dog” indeed. You’d never talk about Obama in the demanding and nasty ways you talk about Hillary because you’d know how racist it sounds. You just don’t realize how sexist you sound.
It just seems like such a weak argument to say “rich people can choose schools, so why can’t other people?”
“School choice” isn’t giving anyone a big enough voucher to pay for an exclusive private school. That’s just not true. There won’t be any vouchers at Matt Damon’s school, or Arne Duncan’s, or Ivanka Trump’s. If your objective is to allow low income people to attend exclusive private schools then a voucher is not the way to get there. These private schools will STILL be exclusive and still limited to families like Damon or Duncan or Trump.
If they want lower income people to attend the University of Chicago Lab School why don’t they fund 30 scholarships a year? Then they can actually GO there.
Both women and minorities have much to gain from joining a union. Women make about 80 cents to the dollar that a man makes. If a contract calls for parity, it means women and minorities will not face salary discrimination. They do not have to negotiate individually with much less bargaining power.
The “voucher debate” in ed reform is even more removed from reality than the “charter debate”
Ohio ed reform lawmakers say Ohio Catholic schools provide “the same” education as public schools for 2200 dollars less per student. But anyone who knows anything at all about how this works knows that’s not true.
The Catholic school here is funded 20% by the parish. In addition, they receive a textbook and supply allotment from the state, transportation funded by the state and they use the public school music and sports programs.
Looking at the sticker price of the voucher and insisting that’s the “cost” is just silly. You have to count all sources of revenue and the cost of all services or stop making comparisons.
Is this deliberately misleading or do they really not know how to count money? Because if they really don’t know how to count money I don’t think they should be “reinventing” education. If they succeed in privatizing the whole thing they’re going to be very surprised when they come up short on funding- when it costs MUCH MORE than 5k a kid.
When funds are split and send to various splinter groups, it generally costs more because the flxed costs cannot be reduced by much: utilities, maintenance, insurance, transportation, etc. That is why public schools often wind up cutting the arts out of the programs. More schools equal more diminished capacity schools.
It’s just a very strange way to look at “cost”.
They’re saying “state voucher = cost” and that’s just not true.
They do the same thing with charters. They say Success Academy “costs” are equal to the state subsidy for Success Academy. That’s not true. Success Academy costs X and the state kicks in Y portion of that total. They don’t have a number for what Success Academy “costs”. It may cost way more than the NYC payment- I don’t know and either do they.
Many charters in the NYC area receive lots of “donations” from billionaires trying to cut their taxes by making a large donation to a “non-profit” school.
And Betsy DeVos’ DOE just gave Success Academy a huge multi-million dollar federal grant. That way taxpayers nationwide can subsidize her with money she doesn’t need.
I guess Moskowitz did such outstanding work lobbying to get DeVos approved this was the least Betsy could do. Just like Eli Broad rewarded her with a big prize once he figured everyone forgot she did his dirty work getting DeVos confirmed. (Broad still wants his fake Dem cred so as soon as he was positive DeVos was getting confirmed, he offered his tut tut opposition)
My parents were both high school dropouts at 14 during the Great Depression. They had to drop out to earn poverty wages to contribute to the support of their families. They never earned high school degrees. I was their only child to go to college and eventually earn not only a BA but an MFA.
I was the youngest of my mother’s three children and when I was born, my family was still living in poverty. I remember the first house they scraped enough money together to buy. The managed to find an unfinished house from a builder who went bankrupt and they bought this house with no windows, doors, finished interior walls. It was wrapped in tar paper and had a finished roof, but this small 1,000 square foot house with three bedrooms and one small bath and no family room had no siding or stucco covering the tar paper.
I was about three or four when we moved in. The windows, doors, and siding came later. The only reason my parents managed to buy that unfinished house was that my Godfather helped my dad land a union job and he was earning more than poverty wages with benefits for the first time in his life. My dad was in his late 30s by then.
My dad would stay in the union until he retired with a modest pension.
When I became a teacher at 30, that was when I joined a teachers’ union and that union fought to not only protect me from administrative abuse but fought to make sure I earned a livable wage with benefits. But those benefits didn’t include medical when I retired with a 40-percent pay cut after teaching for thirty years.
But what would my retirement have been like without that union?
I worked in the private sector for 15 years before moving into the public sector as a classroom teacher. My first few jobs paid poverty wages with no benefits and no job protection. My first job out of college was in middle management in a large corporation and I worked in middle management an average of 12 hours a day for a salary that turned out less than my teaching pay.
I left the private sector because the politics and abuse made me extremely angry. As a former U.S. Marine and Vietnam combat vet, it’s much better not to be waking up angry every day and hating the job you have to go to. That is why I left the private sector and went into teaching where I discovered teaching was the toughest job I ever had and it stayed that way for thirty years.
The abusive, crappy politics existed in the public schools too because of the corporate reformers who started their war against us public school teachers and the community based, democratic, transparent, non-profit public schools we worked in back in the 1980s thanks to the prince of darkness Ronald Reagan and every president since.
The only thing that made teaching palatable was the union fighting to protect us against abusive ass hats like Jeanne Allen.
I can’t print what I think of the corporate reform movement that is out to destroy public education because the ink would have to be blood red with horribly abusive language.
On this we shall not disagree , as a retired member of 42 years of service in one of the formerly most powerful unions in the country . My complaint about Unions is they have for too many years not been aggressive enough as comprehensive social justice movements. Unlike the uniform corporate assault against them. Unions have spent more time fighting each other for table scraps than their common enemy.
Awesome post!!! Your country owes you a great debt, Dr. Ravitch, for the hard work you do, daily, for the benefit of its children. A million times, thank you.
Thanks for staying on point, Brother Bob. This thread lost its focus and I, too, got sidetracked as well.
Thank you. I wrote that in an hour on my iPad. Typos and all.
It makes me furious that knowing a union leader is supposed to be shameful. Only in the fevered precincts of the libertarian right
Your fury a divine one! One day we shall have strong unions again. Of this I am certain. The neoliberal leaders of the New Feudal Order think that their game will play out forever, though they sometimes have restless nights, which is why they have been ramping up so dramatically the means for surveillance and suppression.
The brightness of the star Matt Damon is undimmed. Who is Jeanne Allen? No one knows. A Matt Damon response via interview or op-ed would be well received and boost ratings or readership. I would very much like to see that happen. He would crush her, and it would be just. Who is LeftCoastTeacher? No one knows, but Damon should consider it, in my humble opinion.
LCT,
Never punch down.
Matt D is an international star and a great guy.
Jeanne Allen is nobody.