This is a wonderful article that appeared today in the New York Daily News.
It reminded me that almost all of us are the children or grandchildren or descendants of immigrants, except for Native Americans.
The author, Vesna Jaksic Lowe, writes:
Melania Trump and I both grew up in a country that no longer exists. Yugoslavia broke into pieces in the early 1990s after a civil war, and since her husband became President, I am reminded more of it each day.
Mrs. Trump and I came to the United States just a year apart and, at one point, had the same type of visa. We both moved to New York City, married American men, and had a child. I don’t have anything resembling her cat eyes or model looks, but I’m also a tall brunette, just an inch shy of her 5’11”.
But despite her big platform as a prominent naturalized citizen from the war-torn Balkans, the First Lady has chosen to stay silent while her husband unleashes harm on immigrants to America.
I was 13 when my family left Yugoslavia on the brink of war. As an eighth grader, I’d come home from school to see my hometown engulfed in smoke on CNN. A childhood friend was killed in a bombing, along with his dad. Soldiers stormed my uncle’s rooftop. Friends and relatives went into hiding when they heard the air-raid sirens.
Melania Trump faces many ‘unspoken rules’ moving in White House
Like most conflicts, the Yugoslav one was complicated. But like many civil wars, there are some common threads. Nationalist leaders stoked ethnic tensions. In Croatia, Franjo Tudjman boasted about Croatian nationalism. In Serbia, Slobodan Milosevic pushed for Serbian interests. Both used the media to spew lies and government propaganda, and spark ethnic hostility.
Paul Glastris, a journalist who covered the conflict, said Trump and the late Milosevic had a lot in common, including their brash personalities, obsession with manipulating the press, and fueling of ethno-nationalism.
I see many parallels between the Yugoslav conflict and the current situation in the United States, such as attacks on media and the targeting of Muslims, refugees and immigrants. Hate crimes are on the rise here, and many people are being told to “go back to their country.”
Such events remind me of a day in Croatia when a classmate told me to go back to Serbia, where I was born. I was confused about why this suddenly mattered to a seventh grader, when my whole class had always known this.
Now, for the first time in my 20 years in the United States, I fear someone could tell me to go back where I’m from if they hear me speaking Croatian. And yet, that is nothing compared to the fear undocumented immigrants feel each day, worrying they or their loved ones may be taken away in another inhumane deportation raid encouraged by our President.
And throughout it all, as Trump fights to close our doors to refugees from war-torn countries, to boot, our First Lady has said nothing.

Melania is a Laura Bush style first lady. She’s simply not going to speak up no matter what her husband does. I suppose we can judge her for that. But I’m not really aware of any first lady who has condemned her husband in office for anything really. Did Michelle condemn Barack when he declared the unilateral right to assassinate U.S. citizens? Did Hillary condemn Bill for taking welfare away from needy mothers and children? Did she condemn him for shipping U.S. jobs offshore with NAFTA? Did she condemn him for incarcerating so many poor and minority males under three strikes? Really, find me any first lady – Republican or Democrat – who has spoken out against her own husband and I’ll consider judging Melania for her silence.
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Are they just afraid and/or COMFORTABLE and RICH opportunists?
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I really don’t know. Maybe it’s just the institution of marriage. A good spouse can take his/her spouse to the woodshed in private, but speaking ill of one’s spouse publicly is just not really kosher. We don’t know what Melania (or Laura or Hillary or Michelle, etc.) has said to her husband in private.
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Dienne, the difference here is that Melania is an immigrant.
I don’t see the analogy with other First Ladies.
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Every First Lady has been a woman. Without combing the historical record, I would assume that many Presidents have taken up policies that are harmful to women. There’s your analogy with Melania.
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I recall Laura Bush on a late night talk show discussing her husband driving his car into the back wall of the garage. I think it was J. Leno. I thought it was cool that she felt secure enough to discuss it opening and humorously in that setting. And she told it well. Maybe its on youtube. I always thought she seemed to find humor in his goofy actions. Not that anything she ever said or didn’t say would validate another first lady’s actions. Each woman has a unique situation so I don’t expect any particular behavior. It would be a hoot to see Melania laugh at her husband but I trust her judgement on whether or not she does so.
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Remember when Hillary tried to play a role in policy making? The outrage was real. I remember thinking, ” Who elected her?” The same applies to Melania. She may have some things to say to her husband in private, but I doubt it would do anyone any good to have her disagreeing with her husband in public. As to Melania telling cute, but potentially embarrassing things about her husband in public like Laura Bush,…I have a feeling that Trump would not take it well.
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I find the comparison of the nude model, Melania, with little education and lying about her Green Card, to the well educated, lady like, school librarian, Laura Bush, akin to comparing her maniacal egocentric Drumpf husband to John Kennedy because they both liked women.
Barbie Doll Melania has had so much plastic surgery to attain the cat like blue eyes and high cheek bones, that she looks nothing like the Slovenian teen who had dark hair and eyes, rather full cheeks, and gave herself to posing naked on the wing of her husband’s air plane holding guns. This week she entered the Texas morass wearing designer clothes and 6 inch heels. It was only today, after the media excoriated this weird couple, that they wore denim and had a photo op feeding survivors. Bush however, always wore a cloth coat and maintained her dignity and SOH throughout her tough DC duty.
Laura has raised her two daughters carefully and both are in careers of service. She supported her husband generally, but not on “choice”, and she is an honest unassuming person. Hope you don’t choose next to compare the money hungry Melania to Eleanor Roosevelt.
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I remember Laura Bush trying to organize some sort of poetry event at the White House and having all the poets she invited decline because of the war.
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Ellen
Did you say Eleanor Roosevelt .
“No one who ever saw Eleanor Roosevelt sit down facing her husband, and, holding his eye firmly, say to him, ‘Franklin, I think you should . . .’ or, ‘Franklin, surely you will not . . .’ will ever forget the experience. . . . It would be impossible to say how often and to what extent American governmental processes have been turned in new directions because of her determination.”
https://www2.gwu.edu/~erpapers/teachinger/q-and-a/q20.cfm
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Laura Bush may have been well educated and “lady-like”, yet still she remained silent as her husband invaded a country that had nothing to do with September 11 with no plan for what to do with that country once we broke it. She also remained silent as he okayed torture and violated civil liberties of both Americans and foreigners. So if it’s okay to cast aspersions on Melania for her silence, why not Laura? If anything, being more educated made her more culpable. Being “ladylike’ does not give one a pass to be immoral.
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Dienne,
Laura Bush was not a military expert or a foreign affairs specialist.
Melanie is a recent immigrant.
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Oh for pity’s sake, Diane, one didn’t have to be a military expert to know that the Iraq war was wrong. I was just a schmuck with an internet connection and I knew. And one only has to be human to know that torture is wrong.
The bottom line is that they should be held to the same standards. If Laura’s silence was okay, then so is Melania’s. (That, incidentally, being my opinion – I don’t think it’s fair to expect a spouse to publicly criticize her husband.) If we can excoriate Melania, then we should excoriate Laura. “Ladylike” doesn’t excuse anything, and educated is an aggravating, not a mitigating factor.
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The Iraq War was a horrible decision, a war of choice. The Vietnam War was a horrible decision.
But that’s clearer in hindsight than it was at the time.
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It is kind of sad to see the early modeling photos: at 16 she already had the natural beauty of a mid-20’s Ingrid Bergman or Lauren Bacall– in Melania’s case, including cat-like eyes, high cheekbones, full lips– & would have aged just as gracefully. She had a perfect nose including the slightest character-giving irregularity; the straightening of that non-flaw was accompanied by an unattractive widening. Some articles attribute her squint to over-‘correction’ of a natural tendency to slight under-eye pouch, & her severe expression to Botox restriction of expression. And clearly she added Barbie-doll bust to what was once a willowy figure.
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“But that’s clearer in hindsight than it was at the time.”
No, no it’s not. If you were paying attention to the experts at the time rather than the politicians and the pundits, everything that has happened in Iraq was completely predictable. We knew before the war that Iraq had no responsibility for September 11 and that they had no WMD. We also knew that if Saddam was deposed the country would dissolve into sectarian violence and chaos. We knew that we didn’t have the cultural competence to maintain order there. Those were known knowns, as much as Rumsfeld might have pretended they were unknown unknowns.
Incidentally, where have we heard this story before? What other field for instance looks completely different if you listen to the experts rather than the politicians and pundits? Hmm…. Some day the world will wake up and realize the mess we’ve made of education and, as we’re trying to mop up, there will be those saying, “but that’s clearer in hindsight than it was at the time”. And everyone on this forum will be missing large clumps of hair that we will have torn out.
We would all be so much better off if we’d stop getting our “news” (i.e, propaganda) from mainstream “news” (sic) sources, whether “liberal” or “conservative”.
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Instead of asking why Melania is not speaking out in opposition to her husband, it is more productive to look at her native roots.
They tend to show her complete agreement with her hubby, Drumf’s castigating those who opposed the Neo-Nazi terrorists who battered opposition with bats and metal rods in Charlottesville, and then his equating the protesters as the bad guys. Then, compounding his remarks by saying the Nazis had “good people” on their side………but then, his father was a member of the KKK in NY, and neither pere nor fils would rent to blacks or Jews..
Melania’s Slovenian compatriots were not only deadly and intolerant to their Muslim citizens, but they have a long history of anti-Semitism as well. Melania is far from a political commentator or a student of history but this is the history of her development.
Laura Bush however, is an American, and with her advanced university education, probably could talk up to her husband on the matter of invading Iraq…we have no idea of what was said at their dinner table. Her daughter Barbara, a Yale grad, is a public policy educated person and probably has much to say to her father…unlike the “little Prince” at Trump tower who lives in his own golden suite. And her other Bush daughter chose to be a public school teacher.
It is disheartening to read faulty comparisons…and I hope that our legislators are more well versed in analysis,
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Did Nancy criticize Ron when committed treason, did Barbara
criticize George when he invaded Iraq?
Wives support their husbands, at least in public.
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Why would they have disagreed with those decisions?
Nancy adored Ron. Barbara loves George.
What is the analogy?
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Hey, Diane, I love my husband, but I don’t always agree with him, nor do I feel it is necessarily my right or responsibility to air that disagreement publicly.
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I agree. But I didn’t write that article. The woman who did is an immigrant who thought Melania might quietly influence Donald not to be inhumane to immigrants.
If she tried, she failed.
He hates immigrants, but only if they are non-Caucasian. Melanie is Caucasian so maybe she couldn’t identify with the millions he wants to throw out.
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“Melanie is Caucasian so maybe she couldn’t identify with the millions he wants to throw out.”
Perhaps,…but let’s attack her for what she does, not what we speculate she believes. Politicians’ wives/husbands main role in their husband’s/wive’s public lives seems to be standing behind or beside them and keeping their mouths shut.
I saw another report on a Twitter storm over Ivanka calling her father “Daddy,” the premise being that no adult woman would call their father that. I didn’t read the comments because I thought it was so petty. This is the stuff that used to be shared in gossip sessions in relative privacy, not that it was meant to be any less judgemental. Isn’t their enough garbage going on that we don’t have to fuel our anger with inappropriate attacks on family members? Some people may feel that Ivanka is fair game; I agree when she is clearly playing a policy role.
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It would not matter if Trump’s family was not in the government. Both Ivanka and Jared are government employees.
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I know, but attacking Ivanka for calling her father “Daddy”?! Melania is damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t. She has a ceremonial role that she neither asked for or apparently wanted, and has somehow managed to not counterattack. While I find Ivanka and Jared totally unqualified to fill any role in the WH, they have not attacked their detractors either, have they? With Trump as an example, their restraint is actually amazing.
Don’t mind me. Thank you for letting me vent.
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My first wife was Chinese, and my current wife is Russian. Both went through the naturalization process and became American citizens. Larisa went from a RED, to a Red, White, and Blue.
Since even the “Native” Americans came from Asia, all of the human inhabitants in the New World are immigrants, or descended from immigrants.
The spouses of our recent presidents have all kept virtually out of politics. Else they got involved in harmless causes like Mental Retardation, or planting gardens on the White House grounds.
Don’t expect our current FLOTUS to plow new ground, by speaking up on controversial subjects.
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Charles said: “Since even the “Native” Americans came from Asia, all of the human inhabitants in the New World are immigrants, or descended from immigrants.” You can’t be serious. The first peoples arrived in “America” thousands of years ago, they lived here for thousands of years. No comparison to the newcomers who have been here for hundreds of years.
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Or 20 years
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I am stone-serious. DNA tests have confirmed that the ‘indigenous” people of the New World, crossed over the land bridge from Siberia. The descendants of these first immigrants, are the “Indians”, who live in the Americas.
By this logic, all of the peoples who live in the Americas are descendants of people who arrived from elsewhere, including the “native” Americans. Or they are first-generation immigrants.
I stand on my statement.
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I don’t know idf the consensus still is that the human race began in Africa or not, but by your way of thinking anyone who has left the African continent is an immigrant. Just how does your argument advance the discussion?
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Charles, if you want to be intellectually consistent: We are all Africans.
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The point that I have been trying to make, is that all of the human inhabitants of the Americas, have a common heritage. All of our ancestors came from some other place.
I feel very strongly about this immigration issue. My first wife was Chinese, and after we divorced, I married a Russian. I am a better man, because of my wives. Our nation has also benefitted from both Yee and Larisa. Neither of them ever cost our nation one cent. Neither of them ever had any involvement in the criminal justice system. They both work hard, and are productive citizens.
I can tell you, from personal experience, that our national immigration policies and procedures, are a mess. I hoped that after 9/11, that the USA would examine and streamline the process. What a disappointment!
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I think we need to look at the Summerians, who migrated to the Fertile Crescent 4000 years ago. Human migration is the most persistent phenomenon in human history. You could say that it is the central theme of humanity. We could add the spread of the Bantu culture in Africa, the arrival of man on the islands of the South Pacific, and the movement of the Germanic tribes (outsiders or barbarians to the Romans).
The astounding thing is that, in the face of this, we have no solution as a nation of laws to what we perceive with problems associated with this natural human behavior. It is past time for our constitution, based on enlightenment ideals, to add a natural right. It is normal human behavior for humans to move. We should not criminalize it in a way that costs billions, is unenforceable, and creates animosity. If Locke thought property to be a natural right, how much more is migration a similar right. We have enforceable laws governing ownership of property. We should have enforceable laws about immigration that are supported by a wide majority of the voting public and cheap enough so that they do not create a retrograde movement in liberty.
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From what I’ve seen, Melania can take care of herself. As far as going against her husband, well those things are done in private. It would in no way benefit immigrants or the First Lady for her to try to bring him down a notch in public. He does a pretty good job of that himself.
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I pray that he makes the right decision about DACA. The wrong one could be a humanitarian crisis of catastrophic proportions.
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BTW, the RAISE Act, endorsed by Mr. Trump, which would set education and financial cut-offs for immigrants, was put forward as a way to save American jobs.
Economists call the notion that immigrants cost low-wage citizens their jobs the “lump of labor fallacy.” It’s a fallacy because a) immigrants create demand (and so create jobs) because they get haircuts and buy groceries like everyone else and b) low-skilled immigrants create businesses that hire low-skilled U.S. citizens at MANY TIMES THE RATE at which citizens create them.
Economists know this stuff, but the racist base to which the RAISE Act plays does not. Journalists have a responsibility to call the act’s sponsors out on this.
http://www.budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2017/8/8/the-raise-act-effect-on-economic-growth-and-jobs
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Economists know that the RAISE Act will actually decrease the number of jobs for low-skilled Americans. And so must the folks around our President, because this stuff is well known and clearly established.
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Hurricane Harvey will turn red-state Senators into Keynesian.
Also, the rebuilding of South Texas will require huge numbers of construction workers, including the undocumented workers.
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Yes. Yes. Yes. And right now, in California, crops are going unpicked because of our sudden zeal for immigration enforcement.
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The deportations have not started on Long Island. The farms and vineyards will suffer if they do.
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http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/21819/concepts/lump-of-labour-fallacy-immigration/
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dianeravitch
The question is not why they need workers . The question is why undocumented workers should be forced to work long hours for little pay . There will always be those willing to do that . That does not mean that employers should be allowed to exploit those willing to work for less .
Our immigration problems have to be viewed as labor problems.
Why is farming” a job Americans won’t do . ” One part of a list of careers that seems to be growing . I suspect soon Teaching could be added to the list . (sarcasm )
Could it be that 1935 -6
Farms were excluded from the National Labor Relations act.
Could it be that farm workers are not even covered by the minimum wage . Nor do over time provisions apply.
Could it be that even child labor laws do not apply to farming . A 12 year old allowed to bath in pesticides and bake in the sun.
American labor laws in general do not favor nor protect workers .
Our use of immigrant labor on farms is the closest thing we can have to slavery without conveying ownership.
We can not talk about immigration with out labor reforms that give these workers the same rights as American workers . That gives Farm workers and domestic workers like home health aides, the same protections as other workers . And that increases those protections for all workers .
To do anything less is just to condone a system of exploitation .
I have all the sympathy in the world for immigrant advocacy and Human rights groups that lobby on the behalf of undocumented immigrants . I have no use for business lobbies that see immigrants as a wage wedge on American workers . On this Labor Day weekend the subject should not be about immigration but about empowering all workers at home and abroad, native and immigrant documented and undocumented . .
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YES: the what-if-we-paid-a-living-wage and prices went up at Target, Walmart, Kmart and the supermarket conundrum applies to each and every consumer.
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We need to be about both, Joel. But thank you, thank you immensely, for these important, rightly impassioned comments.
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ciedie aech
That would be just fine . We might even discover that the increase amounted to a hill of Bull turd .
“Giving the 3.5 million workers picking produce on American farms a raise to match the $15 an hour many fast food workers are fighting for sounds unaffordable, right?
Not really. According to University of California-Davis agricultural labor economist Philip Martin, the likely additional cost to American shoppers of that wage hike would be about $20 a year.”
Make it a hundred a year and it is still great.
http://theplate.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/31/can-we-afford-to-pay-u-s-farmworkers-more/
Any other ridiculous questions I would be happy to answer .
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I will gladly pay my addition $20 a year. Here, to anyone interested, an extremely worthy organization to support: Coalition of Immokallee Workers. http://www.ciw-online.org/
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Bob Shepherd
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Powerful article. Wow. Thanks for posting this, Diane!
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First let me state, lets give every undocumented immigrant who has not committed any serious crime a simple path to citizenship . Truth be told few of our ancestors came here legally or more correctly it would have been almost impossible to come here illegally as that all those who came through Ellis Island prior to 1923 basically got their teeth checked(sarcasm) . There were no Nation of origin quotas.
Now that that is out of the way . Let us acknowledge that immigration has always been used as a wage wedge by American employers whether that was Irish Immigrants of the 1840s or the Chinese , who were the only exception to my statement above .. The reaction of Native workers to the Chinese workers on the Transcontinental Railroad prompted a ban and deportations that lasted from 1882 to 1943. A ban just as vindictive as anything the Orange monster is proposing. Even American Black migrants from the Jim Crow south were exploited by unscrupulous employers . As are Latin Immigrants today and H1B visa holders.
But we also have to ask to what degree can Western (post )industrial Democracies with relatively high social welfare programs (especially Europe) keep accepting Immigrants . With out them diminishing those bennifits . Something that Jeffery Sachs asked in a piece on Brexit. Where he qualifies that by saying that we in the West have to stop creating the conditions that cause these mass flows of immigrants . . Like American ‘colonial’ policy in Central America that created the child refugee crises. Or even NAFTA that devastated Mexican family farming. My examples not his. He also states that we have to do our best to assist these Nations grow , rather than rape them for resources or labor . Again my description.
But don’t we also have to ask about the continued need for growth in Capitalist societies, to what end does it serve . As we hear the calls that immigrants are needed to sustain growth. Could it be that economic growth due to population growth is unsustainable for the planet we live on. Of course Houston has nothing to do with unrestricted growth and climate change.
So perhaps it is time not for a stinking Wall but for a National Bio metric Id to be provided on the governments dime and effort. To Replace the License you already need to drive or now fly. The Social Security card that your employer is already required to E-verify for employment purpose, but is easily avoided .Coupled with fines and criminal penalties that make it absolutely prohibitive to avoid verification. While we are at it , lets get rid of my Medicare card and secondary insurance cards and use the National Id as a universal healthcare card . And most importantly lets end the sham of voter disenfranchisement by using it s a voter ID . All provided in Census like efforts every ten years .
At that point we could then have a serious discussion of how many immigrants we should allow into the country and for what reasons . The words of Emma Lazarus always being more important than any skills or Nation of origin .
Of course the Republicans would never go for it the great supporters of the Fourth Amendment that they are . In fact they already rejected it in the last Immigration debate.
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Joel, see this:
http://www.budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2017/8/8/the-raise-act-effect-on-economic-growth-and-jobs
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Joel, please see what I posted about the “lump of labor fallacy,” above.
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Bob
In the aggregate that is most certainly true. And that was my point on growth due to population increase. It does not matter how the population increases you would expect that more people will create more demand for goods and services . Which is why it is laughable to think that at some point China’s economy will not overtake us to become the # 1 economy , all other things being equal. They have a population 3x our size. Which is a different question than what the standard(quality) of living will be. I wish “tiny Denmark” would take me.
But on individual industries the effect can be devastating . Meat packing used to be a coveted job in the 70’s the equivalent of a $25 an hour job today plus benefits like healthcare and Pensions . Construction another sector that has been particularly hard hit . Even laborers had earned a solid middle class (broad definition) income. Today even the union trades are being hammered by a non union model that uses an endless supply of cheap labor to do the less skilled aspects in each trade. As Mexican flags fly on nonunion apartment house construction in NYC.. In addition to dead bodies piling up on these sites due to saftey violations .
http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/19634/stop_blaming_immigrants_and_start_punishing_the_employers_who_exploit_them
On the other end of the education scale we have the H1b visas being used to drive down wages by our tech moguls . With most of these immigrants here temporarily hired by outsourcing companies to learn procedure and bring the jobs overseas .
But none of this is the immigrants fault, it is the employers fault and the same Republican party that bashes immigrants represents these employers who are the largest violators of labor and immigration law. While they attack Unions with a vengeance. So the answer may lie in empowering workers regardless of there immigration status . But that has as little chance as the National ID.
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Joel, just to jump in a tiny bit re: construction trades. The predominance of immigrant labor in construction trades (in many areas) is not solely a function of employers seeking cheaper labor. There was also a large contribution of public policy, encouraged by industrial pundits’ response to globalism/ mfg decline in late ’70’s, w/their mantra that we were shifting to a ‘service economy’, that all kids must henceforth seek advanced STEM degrees, or at minimum any college degree so as to be part of the intelligentsia soon to run the country, or risk being left in the dust w/o a living wage.
But meanwhile we had then & still have today a major construction sector that cannot be off-shored: all those trades related to building and maintenance for the US commercial & residential markets. Yet families listened to the mantra, & eventually there were two generations of US kids missing from the trades. The vacuum quickly was met by immigrants. Today in my metro-NY region, many trade supervisors in the bldg trades are naturalized-American Latinos (some retiring already). The trend has started to turn around a bit– I’m starting to see young Americans training in the crews that do renos, plumbing, elec, HVAC. But I do not yet see enough local pubsch support for the trades. In-house hisch shops have been gone for 40-+ yrs & not returning; county vo-tech centers seem healthy enough in densely-pop northern NJ, but not sure about elsewhere, & have heard NYS BOCES centers are hanging by a thread, funding-wise.
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More pubschool support for the trades!!! Yes. Yes. Yes.
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bethree5
I did have a rather long response for you, but it would have been more appropriate to a post on the skills shortage . There is none , not when the Union trades are experiencing rather high unemployment, but that’s for another discussion .
But here is an excellent article on that topic that I was going to include.
Prof. Peter Cappelli
Director of Wharton’s Center for Human Resources.
Click to access 16-27-MR65.pdf
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The fallacious crap about there being a skills shortage was the lead line for Achieve, the CCSSO, and the USDE’s justification for foisting the Common [sic] Core [sic] on our country. Thanks, Joel, for posting this.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/immigrants-create-jobs-for-local-workers-2015-6
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http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/21819/concepts/lump-of-labour-fallacy-immigration/
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2017/02/13/immigrants-to-the-u-s-create-jobs-maybe-even-yours/#4b2b785ebd9d
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Joel and Bob, you make this first generation American proud. Thanks so much for taking the time to share your thoughts with us.
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https://www.cato.org/blog/raise-act-talking-points-are-deceptive
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/04/04/of-course-immigrants-take-jobs-from-people-but-they-also-create-them-for-others/#67f656a5118e
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You raise an interesting question. I have often wondered what capitalism would look like without expansion. Can there be such a thing? Is freedom linked to capitalism?
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This is a question I wrestle with all the time, Roy. Here’s what I’m thinking right now: we have things to learn from the way indigenous cultures did it in the past. We have to start thinking clearly and carefully about limits and sustainability, Joel is right about that.
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I have a comment in moderation. I suspect that it’s because I used the word “racist” in the comment while simultaneously posting a link. But I don’t apologize for using the term “racist.” Sometimes it’s really important to call it what it is.
How sickening it is that racism continues to be such an issue in our country, now, well into the 21st century. Having come fresh from the classroom, where my students had for the most part left the hideous racism of their elders behind, and seeing the changing demographics of our country and commercials on television with mixed-race couples and much else, I was full of hope for the future, despite the terrible, persistent inequities in our country. Those are still very, very real, but the kids, mostly, gave me hope.
But recent events have me deeply alarmed. I would like very much to believe that all this racist immigrant-scapegoating from the highest office in the land is the death rattle of American racism. But those fascists in my beloved Charlottesville were young. And then there’s the monstrously stupid wall. And then there is the economically indefensible RAISE [sic] Act, and the blaming of immigrants and those not like us for the economic plight of low-skilled citizen workers in the country–something that fascist nationalists from Hitler to Milosevic have always done in order to rise to and retain power–and there’s the threat to cancel DACA, which would break up families and cause extraordinary suffering to hundreds of thousands of children and young people, the folks we should care most about–and it all just seems too chillingly as though we have not learned the most important (and most terrible) lesson that the twentieth century taught us.
Have we learned nothing? Have we forgotten who we are? We are a country of immigrants. Our country was BUILT BY and continues to be built by immigrants, skilled AND unskilled (those latter folks are extraordinarily efficient job creators, BTW).
We need to remember who we are. We are a nation of immigrants–rich and poor, educated and uneducated, from all over the globe. If we lose sight of this, if this stops being true of us, we lose our very soul.
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I hope Trump allows DACA to stand. Even if he does, families will still be severed if parents are deported while children stay here. Then, there is the question of younger children needing care. Who will raise these children left without parents? Perhaps a relative will step in to do the job, but do we turn young Hispanics over to the instability of the foster care system, if no relative can take them? DACA solves some problems, but it creates new ones.
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Have no fear Jared has been studying adoption. The best simply the best.
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Under Obama, some children of deported parents were kept here in the US, even when the parents wished to take them back to the parents’ native countries. Kids were put into foster care and even placed for adoption, without the consent of their parents. https://www.google.com/amp/www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-parents-deported-what-happens-to-us-born-kids-2012aug25-story,amp.html
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We are a Nation of immigrants who has always bashed new immigrants . My point is not to bash immigrants they do not cause the migration flows or any of the resultant problems . They are the victims .I would say few immigrants migrate for the hell of it . And the largest recent immigration flows we have seen were not caused by Natural disasters .Both the Mexican / Central American migration to the US and the Muslim migration to Western Europe were created by man made disasters . War, Dictatorship ,Economic exploitation . That is an area where these migration flows can be controlled by changing behavior , much of it American behavior . We could stop supporting coups of elected leaders in Latin America. Stop exploiting the resources of these nations . Write trade agreements for the people of all nations and not for the oligarchs who own corporations. I hate to crush American manufacturing but we could stop selling weapons of war and above all stop using them ourselves .
The migrations that are out of our control are the ones caused by Natural disaster some of it due to our previous actions . 1200 have died in India flooding . . Which is why the Military sees climate change as such a threat to World peace. As populations relocate on mass . .
But we are a Planet of limited resources and the question of economic growth and population growth had better be addressed.
Which was one of my points, we can keep growing economies till we hit “the limits of sustainable growth”. Of course I would expect the Business community to assert that there is no crisis no limit . That population growth and economic growth are limitless . Rex Tillerson says we will adapt. We may find out real soon how wrong they were . I suspect in South Florida first. Although East Texas may be a runner up
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http://www.sustainablescale.org/ConceptualFramework/UnderstandingScale/MeasuringScale/LimitstoGrowth.aspx
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Have you read Daniel Quinn’s Ishmael, Joel? A book you would enjoy immensely.
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Wouldn’t it be an interesting development if the US govt developed foreign policy re: central & so america w/an eye to probable results re: the flow of illegal immigration & refugees to USA?
In the ’50’s-60’s, our policy was corporate colonization of the central/ southern hemisphere. We used up their cheap labor & raw matls until their backs were to the wall: political backlash sometimes included nationalizing our corporate assets [but we wormed our way back in as engrs/bldrs of their natl expansion], in other cases fomented brutal dictatorships aligned w/our interests (which we supported), in some cases fomented socialist govts (which we defeated via CIA): in all cases, we participated in exacerbating enormous national rich-poor divides. Which — not dissimilar to the pattern prevalent in poorest inner-city America– gives rise to a drug culture by which the poorest/ those without hope for future console themselves. Hence, the growth of central/so amer drug manufacture for the local & USA market– a criminal element needing arms for execution (readily provided by US gun industry)– creating a dangerous environment from which locals [immigrants/ refugees] flee ever north from the mfg locale– HENCE: a backlog of refugees, US-bound: they are coming here not just for jobs, but to escape a criminal environment which is the logical end-point of US central/s amer policy for nearly 70 yrs.
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I am in total agreement , But even Mexican migration for jobs was related to NAFTA’s destructive effect on Mexican farming . So whether it is escaping outright violence or economic disruption. It is policy failure .
The next question is, who that policy serves ?
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Joel you are undoubtedly right re: the majority of Mexicans migrating since ’90’s, i.e., people harmed by NAFTA. But (anecdotally) I am acquainted with a local cohort of middle & upper-class Mexican millennials who came here on student visas in the mid-2000’s, hoping ultimately to carve out a life here that seems to them a safer and less corrupt place to raise a family. These are thinking kids who in another day would have been protesting in their streets, like my Spanish teachers/ U of Mex grad students back in the ’60’s when I was in a Mex language school. Even tho it was a police state then, things are far more corrupt & brutal today, vast swaths of the country run by outlaws, safety to be had even in the DF only behind locked gates w/lots of $ to pay off the protectors, Cancún now threatening to go the way of former mecca Acapulco w/cartel violence close by & beginning to spill over into tourist areas.
Meanwhile there appears be a continual northern migration by CA’s & Mexicans seeking asylum from drug violence, tho many don’t make it & many are turned back. US has had ongoing self-serving policies in the hemisphere for decades which have created fertile ground for chaos, then fanned the flames; it’s predictably now at our back door.
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To all you immigrant bashers out there supporting the current raft of alien exclusion acts, some ancient wisdom:
Exodus 20:12
“Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
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i don’t know Melania, but I have known many wonderful, kind women who were married to turds! Never could figure it out & still don’t get it – I often wonder what their fathers were like & if that’s why they married the men they did…
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How far we’ve come since our government made THIS film:
Well worth reminding ourselves what we fought for in World War II.
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“Lest we forget…”
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We Are All Family
Years ago a girlfriend dragged me to a psychic in New York City who interviewed me in a room hung with beads and told me I was descended from Genghis Khan. Gee, I could have told her that. Chances are I’m descended from Cleopatra and Julius Caesar, too, and so, most illustrious reader of Diane’s blog, are you. Why this is so has to do with something called combinatorial explosion.
There’s an old story about the guy who invented chess. He took the game to the Shah, who loved games and war. The Shah was so pleased to see his two favorite pastimes combined that he offered the inventor anything he wanted. The inventor replied, “I’m a simple man. Just give me two grains of wheat on the first square and double them on each square after that.”
“Done,” said the Shah, in the decisive way of Shahs, not realizing that he was bankrupting himself, for numbers doubled in each generation get big very quickly. By the time you get to the last square on the board, square 64, the number of grains of wheat tops 18 quadrillion!
Like everyone else on this planet, you have two parents, four grandparents, eight great grandparents, sixteen great-great grandparents, and so on. The number doubles with each generation that you go back. Go back 32 generations to AD 1200, when Genghis Khan was slaying or bedding everyone in Asia, and you will find, by this method of counting, that you have 4,294,967,296 direct ancestors! But that isn’t possible. According to the Population Reference Bureau, there were only about 450 million people alive in AD 1200. How can you have more ancestors 32 generations ago than there were people on earth at that time?
The answer is that you had relatives who married relatives. In the distant past, there were fewer people around from whom to choose mates, so cousins often married cousins, meaning that they shared some of the same grandparents. Your family tree, as you go back in time, gets bigger and bigger. Then, as the number of cousin marriages starts increasing, the number of ancestors in a given generation gets smaller, and your ancestral tree starts looking more like a diamond than like a tree or pyramid. So, there’s good news and bad news. The good news is that you are descended from just about everyone ever alive, including lots and lots of philosophers, scientists, poets, artists, kings, and queens. The bad news is that many of your ancestors were keeping it in the family.
Scientists have recently figured out other ways to show that we are all related. Inside all your body cells are little organelles called mitochondria. These mitochondria have their own DNA, separate from the DNA in your cell nuclei. You get your nucleic DNA from both your mother and father, but your mitrochondrial DNA all comes from your mother. So, theoretically, mitochondrial DNA would pass down, unchanged, from mother to mother, through the generations. But that’s not what happens. Random accidents cause mutations in mitochondrial DNA, and since we know the rate at which these mutations occur, by comparing people’s mitochondrial DNA, we can tell how long ago they had a common female ancestor. By this means scientists have figured out that everyone now alive on planet earth has a common ancestor in a woman who lived in East Africa about 125,000 years ago. Scientists call this woman Mitochondrial Eve. Another line of research, based on differences in Y chromosomes, traces all people back to a single male ancestor who lived in Africa only about 75,000 years ago.
So, not only are you descended from royalty, but you’re also African. Even if you’re not.
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One little correction: I said above that all your body cells have mitochondria. This is not true of your red blood cells.
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Very good. I scrolled down to this after I made my comment above. Thanks, my African brother!
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Like. A lot.
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Melania has essentially signed a contract for her marriage.
She has a business deal. The art of the deal, suppose.
Her marriage is nothing more than a business deal with a baby.
She will never stand up for immigrants; she’d breach her contract if she did.
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“It reminded me that almost all of us are the children or grandchildren or descendants of immigrants, except for Native Americans.”
Most American blacks are not descendants of immigrants, but of slaves. They didn’t choose to come here, they were brought here in chains. It’s an important distinction, one that our country still can’t deal with in any meaningful sense. (Or the fact that probably all descendants of slaves have European ancestry as well, a result of untold numbers of rapes.)
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True that.
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Thank you for making this point. Important.
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The folks working in the Trump administration are confronted with a classic problem: what do you do when the boss, whatever his other gifts and foibles, is fixated on carrying out some one monumentally stupid and disastrous idea? I am speaking, of course, of THE WALL.
I suspect that China would dearly love to see us build the wall. We would divert many, many billions of dollars to this boondoggle that might have been spent in ways that would actually make a difference, that would make us safer and happier and more powerful and effective. But the main thing is that we would completely alienate our fourth largest trading partner, after the EU, China, and Canada, and our staunch ally on our border, through the wall itself and through sanctions and tariffs imposed to attempt to get Mexico to pay for it. For many decades now, China has been quietly putting down very deep roots throughout the third world, investing in small, local businesses in Africa, Latin America, and elsewhere. China plays the long game. Its leaders must be gleefully looking forward to making Mexico its ally in our hemisphere and amazed at their luck in getting Mr. Trump to assist them, unwittingly, in doing precisely that.
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There are many, many other reasons for not building this stupid wall. First, it will do almost nothing to stop drug trafficking. Most drugs come into the US by means of legal ports of entry, and the cartels will just use deeper tunnels, more drones, and more air and sea transport. Second, it’s going to cost FAR more, in treasure, than Mr. Trump has said. Some facts about this:
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/08/will-trumps-wall-stop-drug-smuggling/
See also
https://www.brookings.edu/essay/the-wall-the-real-costs-of-a-barrier-between-the-united-states-and-mexico/
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http://www.theonion.com/article/trump-administration-announces-new-20-bill-design–56829?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=feeds&utm_source=TheOnion_Daily_RSS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&utm_term=
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Melania isn’t deep enough to care about the “little” people. She has the look, he has the money, their life goes on.
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