Joanne Yatvin, now retired, was a teacher, principal, and superintendent, as well as a literacy specialist.
The Myth of “Our Failing Schools” and How to Destroy It
An interesting article on the public’s perception of the quality of our public schools appeared in The Atlantic on July 15. I will summarize it today and add my opinions.
As a long time reader of the Phi Delta Kappan, an education journal, I am familiar with the results of its yearly poll reports on the public’s perception of our public schools. As long I can remember, most parents have given their children’s school an A or B rating. But when it comes to rating public schools in general, the responders are not so positive. Around 70 percent of them have consistently given those schools a C or D grade.
What’s going on here? According to Jack Schneider, a researcher at the College of the Holy Cross, the answer is simple: When evaluating their own children’s school, parents know a lot about what is happening there first hand . Most of them are pleased with their children’s experiences, and what they see or hear happening for other children. But when asked to evaluate the vast number of schools elsewhere, they only know what they read in the newspapers or hear on television. And most of those sources report that our public schools are failing to teach students what they need to know to succeed in college or the workplace.
Schneider identifies the source of this belief as the “politics of education.” He says, “Beginning with the launch of Sputnik in 1957, the leaders in Washington have argued with increasing regularity that our country’s schools are in crisis.” He adds that, “The failing-school narrative has been quite effective in generating political will for federal involvement in education.” Unfortunately, that narrative is not an accurate description of any school; it is based only on a single piece of data: students’ test scores
Although the scores for their own school may also be low, parents get a much broader range of information about the progress of their children, which includes report cards, parent/teacher conferences, individual pieces of students’ work, and school events. They may also get monthly newsletters from the principal that highlight the good things happening at school. Even if their own child is not doing well academically or behaviorally, parents may very well be receiving information about the help he is getting and the progress he is making.
Although there doesn’t appear to be any change in the dominance of data in the news media, there is one thing in the new ESSA law that may give everyone a broader picture. In the plans for improving their schools all states are now required to report to the Department of Education on several other conditions beyond test scores, such as graduation rates, school attendance, and the numbers of students enrolled in advanced courses. The only trick in reporting all this information to the public is weaving it into a seamless report that will show the full quality of any school.
Unfortunately, broader pictures would still not be enough to make all schools successful. High poverty schools need better financial support to keep class sizes small enough for all students to get attention to their needs and class behavior to be manageable. They also need sufficient funding to lure in high quality teachers and give them the school structures and extra time necessary to do a great job.
In addition, testing for all schools needs to be more reasonable than it is now. Instead of tests created to match the unrealistic expectations of the CCSS, every state should be able to get a test designed to fit its curriculum and the values of its people.
Right now it is not our public schools, but the federal government that is failing to educate our children well. We must overhaul the system to allow, support, and accurately report the greatness of which this country’s schools are fully capable.

Tangentially, right wing media conducts campaigns of disparagement against common goods. Their campaigns are followed by opinion surveys conducted by Pew Trusts (an organization that works with John Arnold’s Foundation on community surveillance programs and pension alarmism). Mainstream media then reports Pew’s findings as if the polling can be assumed to be benign and without an agenda. The latest example involves disparagement of higher ed and universities.
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This seems to be the knee jerk reaction in this country: if anything goes wrong, blame the schools, blame the teachers. Trump is elected president – by all means blame the public school system, it’s a failure of our educational system, don’t you know. It’s a hideous meme and it further demoralizes teachers who are already demoralized enough. I lived through the whole Sputnik brouhaha. Sputnik was a national trauma and shock to our sense of technological superiority. Of course the reaction was to blame the schools for not emphasizing and encouraging science enough. Total baloney. The real problem was that we had a patronizing view of the USSR, that it was a backward country incapable of even producing aspirin or a decent looking car. Our hubris and arrogance was the real problem, not any supposed failure of the schools.
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You hit the nail on the head! Hubris and arrogance….and you can add in there a little bit of Cold War fear to stir up the public.
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Testing should be limited to statistical samples. NAEP testing is sufficient. No other testing needed.
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NO!, NAEP testing is not sufficient. It has all the onto-epistemological errors and falsehoods and psychometric fudgings that all standardized tests have which Noel Wilson has shown to render said tests completely invalid. Crap in, crap out for all standardized tests.
Prove to all here that NAEP doesn’t suffer those maladies. I await a cogent response.
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Duane: your opposition to testing is widely understood to anyone who reads your posts. As far as I am concerned, it is logically sound, as has been demonstrated by the lack of logical response here. Let us assume you are correct and that we should not test students with standardized test at all. As you might have surmised from my responses, this has been my attitude all along.
Having come to that conclusion years ago, I have always struggled to look for ways to suggest positive self-examination practices in education. I feel we should be talking to each other and comparing notes in a cogent, logical fashion, to the end that we learn from each other. Short of testing, what would you suggest? How can we compare approaches? Is that even legitimate? Is the spectrum of human behavior in a nation of as many students with as we have too wide to provide comparative examination to any good end?
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Question #1. Looking at inputs. Do we supply for all children that which the upper SES public districts and wealthy private schools provide, and then some for the most neediest SpEd students?
This looking at bogus outputs is insane. No business would be looking at false indicators of output to be THE indicators with which to assess a business. That would surely lead to going out of business quite quickly. (not that we should be assessing public schools in the same fashion as a business does although there are some areas that do indeed coincide.
Question #2-Why is there a need to compare approaches if we indeed do adequately fund all public schools adequately as described in #1? If each community provides the proper levels of the and functioning of the teaching and learning process (provided student rights are not being trampled, which can easily be gleaned from whether inputs are adequate or not) what difference does “comparing outputs” make-there would be no need.
Question #3 I think by my answers so far that I don’t consider those comparisons as legitimate if the conditions of proper inputs are met.
Question #4-Again, why or what is the need to “provide comparative examination”? And again, it is the input, proper funding, facilities, course offerings, qualified professional teachers, admixture of SES student groups with ELL and IEP students in the proper mix for the local conditions, etc. . . . Again the key is determining what the optimum input of resources is for each community that is the key to providing more than minimally adequate public schooling that may fulfill the fundamental purpose of public education of “. . . to promote the welfare of the individual so that each person may savor the right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the fruits of their own industry.”
Anything less is inadequate and unethical, even if legal.
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I subscribe to Wilson’s research but I believe NAEP testing does have some value. It is not a high stakes test and it is only given on a sampling basis. Since no one is teaching to this exam, it does not appear to do much harm. I do not think it is politically possible to eliminate all testing and since NAEP already exists, it might have the potential to placate those afflicted by testing mania. In other words, I see it as having little informative value but some political value.
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tultican,
See my response to Roy Turrentine right above (below?).
And no, I don’t see the same “political value” that you see because false and error filled indicators of supposed learning through false and error filled, completely invalid standardized tests leads one to false and error filled conclusions. It can be no other way. To make such “political conclusions” is to play a very dangerous game that can serve to only harm children all the more.
Dangerous in the Trumpian way of making/believing/using, yes using “truths” that aren’t truths. That is not a recipe for honest political dialogue. And I reject it for lacking a “fidelity to truth” basis/attitude.
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I guess the idea of comparison comes to mind because that is the way I think historically. I compare Rome to Ottoman Empire, Henry to Elizabeth, and so on. How else do we evaluate ourselves unless we compare ourselves to where we want to be?
I had an interesting conversation with a football coach from your state one summer ar Ft Robinson. He was telling me that head coaches could not teach academic classes. That sounded pretty smart to me. Our head coaches almost always taught full loads in those days. The teachers at the nearby towns in rural Nebraska most likely did everything.
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Our misguided trust in using test scores for “accountability” has resulted in hijacking genuine learning goals in favor of improving performance on bubble tests. Teachers and schools have diverted too much emphasis on standardized testing with high stakes consequences. Education is about so much more than bubble tests. That is why college success aligns more with high school GPA than performance on the SAT. We need to let teachers do their job and strop trying to blame them for all of society’s problems.
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I was a fan of the Phi Delta Kappan polls for as long as Gerald Bracey, journalist and psychometric expert, was also contributing to the Kappan. That was also in another era, when the coordinated bashing of public schools was not so clearly funded by billionaires and when their engines of “advocacy” had not been linked to so many social platforms.
The Gates foundation has paid millions to control the press. So far the Foundation has sent $3 million to the Education Writers Association and $10,730,277 to EdWeek, for Editorial Projects in Education. Other foundations pay for editorial coverage of “specific topics” in EdWeek: the Eli and Edythe Broad Foundation, CME Foundation, Carnegie Corporation of New York, Jack Kent Cooke Foundation, Joyce Foundation, Nolo Foundation, Noyce Foundation, Raikes Foundation, Wallace Foundation, and Walton Family Foundation.
Surveys are being used to skew the news about education. Surveys of education, and reports on these, are ubiquitous and a tool for spreading the idea that people are for or against specific agendas. The “Survey Monkey” makes that easier, but there are far more sophisticated variants.
The GreatSchools.org website rates schools by test scores, but also includes the results from “customer satisfaction surveys.” The survey results for a given schools can be pushed for a fee, and all of the information can be leased for a fee, as Zillow does.
The EdNext interactive poll (sponsored by the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, Harvard Kennedy School, and Thomas B. Fordham Institute) keeps alive reports on the Common Core and favored topics to portray public schools as less than admirable.
A recent survey from the research arm of the Pew Foundation (fact tank) pushed the idea that schools should do more to prepare students for the workforce…only one example of setting or firming up an agenda by a “push poll” designed to create the impression that “the public” is for or against whatever.
Some of the most sophisticated surveys are those from the National Center for Education Statistics, some of these dating back to 1988, with questions asked of teachers, parents, and students, including 8th graders. https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/nels88/
In any case, the Gallop organization is no longer the source of the data published in the Phi Delta Kappan. More people are also recognizing why the “national surveys” about public schools is often at odds with how people respond to questions about their own schools. There are also fairly constant differences between parents who have students enrolled in public schools, teachers, and the general public (no children in school). A recent development is taking some of these standard questions and adding more questions about the respondents, especially political affiliations and opinions about specific policies such as choice, vouchers,”scholarships,” and so on. Many of these surveys are designed to test messaging–how to tailor an advertising campaign to a specific population.
http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/education_and_the_media/2016/09/annual_phi_delta_kappa_education_poll_drops_gallup_as_survey_partner.html
See also
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/these-popular-polling-questions-are-dumb-and-deserve-ridicule/2016/08/04/549cb472-59a6-11e6-9aee-8075993d73a2_story.html?utm_term=.6fc08a61b5e3#comments
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Again, given the facts on failing schools we know the only ones in crisis are charter schools.
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Every DEFORMER needs to take those tests.
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Yvonne, I would love to see all those who are pushing the testing, testing, testing regimen and the evaluation of schools and teachers based on them, take the high school, or even the middle school, tests, and see how the he!! they do. And publish their scores so we can all see them.
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“According to Jack Schneider, a researcher at the College of the Holy Cross, the answer is simple: When evaluating their own children’s school, parents know a lot about what is happening there first hand .”
As you likely know, Jack has a new book out: “Beyond Test Scores: A Better Way to Measure School Quality”
He discussed the subject earlier this month with his podcast co-host Jennifer Berkshire of Edushyster fame:
Audio:
http://haveyouheardblog.com/the-mismeasure-of-schools-data-real-estate-and-segregation/
Transcript:
Click to access HYH-Real-Estate-PDF.pdf
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Well, when it comes to evaluating their own children’s schools, the people pushing “accountability” [sic] on the rest of us don’t need or want “accountability’ for their own children’s schools. Many high-dollar private progressive schools that the billionaires and politicians send their own kids to have no standardized testing. Even those that have it don’t use it for teacher or school “accountability”. And no billionaire or politician would ever stand for this new “personalized learning” [sic] embedded “accountability” that is slowly replacing annual standardized test-based “accountability”
What the best and wisest parent wants for his own children….
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From the view of a parent, the concept of a “good school” is not as important to look at; a more important factor is the individual teacher. This is even more important for students with learning disabilities. A teacher that is fantastic with non LD students can be an absolute catastrophe with LD students. The world of high stakes testing just throws gasoline on the fire.
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No kidding, Chris.
After I retired from special education classroom teaching, I had so many parents come to me and say that, their child was in a good school with a teacher with a great reputation (and who, in fact, was great for most kids), but she/he was not so great with their learning disabled kid. Not bad towards them or anything, but just not quite knowing what to do to teach the kid and implement the IEP.
This is where I blame the school district. Some districts do an okay job with pulling out kids when necessary for the resource room, and having the trained special ed teachers working with the classroom teachers.
But some do not. Our local district was not very good at this. Their main answer to learning disabled kids was to hold them back a grade, so that they weren’t so “far behind” the rest of their peers in that grade.
Not acceptable. This is why I got into private tutoring, and also acting as a parent advocate, advising parents and attending IEP meetings with them.
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Zorba, not so sure my child would have survived if I hadn’t hired a tutor for a reading program for dyslexic students. Not so sure that a few pullout hours a week would have sufficed. The dyslexic brain is very different fron non-LD brain. Unsure if blog rules.prevent naming the reading program, but it is one that Rick Lavoie has praised in the past.
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Yes, we must rebuild the education system but from the bottom up about half way to only include teachers and interested and motivated children and parents. We cannot force children and parents to be part of the process. They have to want to be part of the process.
Then we ban elected leaders and billionaires from being part of the process. The only role for elected school boards and the administrators they hire to run the schools in their districts is to support the teachers, children, and parents that work to fix the damage caused by the top down war on the U.S. public K-12 education system.
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Joanne Yatvin is both a powerful advocate for teacher practitioners and a positive influence for public perception. Thanks for including her observation in your blog!
Frankey Jones, retired educator
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