When I was a student in the Houston public schools in the 1950s, our US history textbooks reflected the Southern view of the Civil War. We learned about the brilliance of Robert E. Lee, the perfidy of the North in forcing a brutal Reconstruction on the states of the South, the ignorant Negroes (sic) who lorded it over dispossessed whites during Reconstruction. We didn’t learn much about the abolitionists or the Ku Klux Klan. We didn’t learn about the cruel abuse of black slaves. Fortunately, when I studied US history on college, I encountered a different, accurate version of history, and in graduate school, read historians such as Eric Foner. I learned that Reconstruction legislatures, for example, passed the most progressive legislation the South had ever known. I learned that the end of Reconstruction began an era of whites terrorizing blacks into submission and abandonment of whatever rights had been guaranteed by the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments, passed after the Civil War at a time when ex-Confederate soldiers had lost their right to vote and were unable to block them.
Donald Trump seems to have studied the white Southern version of US history and has never read or heard anything to correct that interpretation of the Civil War.
Today, despite the overwhelmingly negative response to his Tuesday press conference from Republivans and European leaders, he issued several tweets lamenting the removal of Confederate monuments. To him, they are heroes, although they were in fact traitors who wanted to dissolve the USA. He clearly does not know that most of these statues were erected 50-70 years after the war, at the height of Jim Crow segregation and served as symbols of white dominance.
I recall during the campaign last fall that he appealed to black voters and said “What the hell do you have to lose” by voting Trump. Now we know.
Ignorance can be cured by education. However, a closed mind never learns anything new that challenges their preconceptions and prejudices.
My favorite news show is Lawrence O’Donnell. Last night, he branded Trump “Divider-in-Chief.” A good description of this man who is so thin-skinned that he lashes out at anyone who dares to disagree with him. Yesterday–which seems like a year ago–Trump retweeted an image of the “Trump Train” rolling over a human labeled CNN. The tweet was deleted. But it showed the fascistic temperament of the man who retweeted it, as well as the gross insensitivity of displaying this image after a fascist had used his car to kill Heather Heyer in Charlottesville.

OH my. For the first time I give someone connected with Goldman Sachs some credit for having a brain that thinks about customers. Perhaps it is these business types that will have some effect on tRump’s presidency.
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QUOTATION OF THE DAY…NYT
“These executives cannot live with customers thinking they are in cahoots with someone who supports white supremacists or neo-Nazis.”
BILL GEORGE, the former chief executive of Medtronic and a board member of Goldman Sachs, on a mass defection of business leaders from advisory councils after President Trump blamed “both sides” for the violence in Charlottesville, Va.
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Rachel Maddow looks at the history of Ku Klux Klan in American politics and its quest for power and points out that it was no accident that Donald Trump helped give racists legitimacy with his remarks about the deadly rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.
There are some chilling photos from the Library of Congress. Some show the KKK marching en mass in DC, flexing political muscle. This runs 19 minutes or so.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/donald-trump-remarks-aid-white-supremacists-political-ambitions-1025522755528
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Donald Trump’s Art of the Deal co-author Tony Schwartz is predicting that the president is getting ready to call it quits ―
‘Art Of The Deal’ Co-Author Tony Schwartz Predicts Trump’s About To Resign
Donald Trump’s Art of the Deal co-author Tony Schwartz is predicting that the president is getting ready to call it quits ― and that the resignation will happen soon.
Read the entire article here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tony-schwartz-trump-resign_us_59952d91e4b06ef724d64fd6
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Cenk Uygur is also predicting that Trump will resign. Is this wishful thinking or does Cenk have better predictive abilities than most of us. Cenk predicted that Trump would win back in 2016. It’s certainly possible considering that Trump has made so many enemies within his own party and there is so much massive dirt on this fascist thug.
I just hope we don’t have some kind of massive terrorist attack of 9/11 magnitude. Trump would use that to stay in office and to further terrorize us.
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This note was posted by a nun who works at Salve Regina University in RI: “Please God, if you want us to impeach Trump please send us a sign – like maybe blot out the sun in the next few days”
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The leaders of the Confederacy should have been brought to trial and jailed or hung, especially Jefferson Davis. All these monuments honoring confederate heroes (traitors) should be taken down. There’s not much we can do about that vile confederate battle flag rag. In pictures from Charlottesville, you see that confederate flag side by side with the nazi flag; that says it all. It’s not about honoring heritage, it’s about racism, hatred, intimidation and murder.
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Yes.
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I am hesitant to get involved in this discussion, notwithstanding my complete abhorrence of racism.
Our nation needs to face up to our history honestly, and with a clear mind. The USA did not invent slavery. We should be proud that our ancestors fought to eliminate human slavery.
President Ulysses Grant steadfastly fought to stop any treason prosecution against former Confederate leaders. President Lincoln, said “with malice toward none, and charity for all”.
There is a discussion about removing monuments to George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson, and other historical figures, because they owned slaves.
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No one but Trump proposes to remove Washington and Jefferson statues.
They were not traitors. Lee and the other Confederates were.
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Why do you think that only Pres. Trump wants to have these statues removed? see
https://www.chicksontheright.com/2017/08/16/chicago-pastor-wants-george-washington-statues-removed/
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Charles,
Do you think the voice of a pastor in Chicago is as loud as the voice of the President of the United States? I have no doubt that almost every black person in the US would like to see these statues come down? Are you surprised?
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George Washington, and the other men, who opposed the British rule of the colonies, were traitors to the British crown.
I am not equating the Confederates to the Patriots. But please remember that history is written by the winners.
I believe that Pres. Lincoln was correct, in granting amnesty to the defeated Confederates. If he had tried Gen. Lee, and Jeff Davis, the rebels would have gone on a guerrilla war, that would have lasted many years.
The “least bad” course of action, was not to pursue treason charges against the defeated Confederate leadership.
The surrender terms proffered by Gen. Grant at Appomattox, were very generous.
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George Washington was a traitor to the British royalty, as was every signer of the Declaration of Independence. They pledged their lives, their loyalty and their sacred honor to the new nation. Had these patriots lost the war, they would have been hung as traitors to the Crown.
President Lincoln did not pardon Lee, the traitor, whose strategic skill probably cost both sides an additional 100,000+ deaths. Lincoln was assassinated. Lee was pardoned by President Andrew Johnson, at the urging of General Grant.
Charles, you should not lecture a historian about history. Your historical knowledge is shaped by your rightwing sources.
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Charles
“I am not equating the Confederates to the Patriots. But please remember that history is written by the winners.”
And isn’t that just the point . Those monuments are a reminder to Blacks that the South may have been defeated (losers ) but Jim Crow is here to keep you enslaved. Guess what Charles the South lost .
Their removal represents empowerment in the age of the new Jim Crow. It would seem that voter disenfranchisement no longer even needs a jail cell.
There are no good Nazis ,No good Klansman. Lets call Trump supporters who are still with him, out for what they are, losers who lost a war and an election. fascists and bigots . Whether they wear a hood or not. That is 34% of this nation .
They have only two reasons to still be with him bigotry or greed. He has crossed any lines of normal. ” Good people” who march shoulder to shoulder with Nazis .
There were no good Germans who supported Hitler either . All those who supported him were complicit in his crimes . Whether they were industrialists or workers .
Pick a side Charles , If my neighbor hung a Nazi flag in his window he would burn with the house or I would die trying . Those monuments to slavery and Jim Crow have stood long enough .
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I defer to your knowledge of history. I am a telecommunications engineer, history for me, is an avocation.
I said I was hesitant to get into this debate. There must be a way to learn from our history, and not have extremists pervert the past.
Here in Fairfax, there is a move underway, to re-name “Jefferson Davis Highway” (the grossly incompetent president of the Confederacy)
What are we going to about the city of Leesburg? And Lee County?
We even name military bases after confederate generals: Fort Bragg North Carolina.
We committed genocide against the Native Americans, and now we name our helicopters after them.
Where is it going to end?
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Exclusive: Stonewall Jackson’s Great-Great-Grandsons Call for Removal of Confederate Monuments | Democracy Now! https://www.democracynow.org/2017/8/17/exclusive_stonewall_jacksons_great_great_grandsons?utm_source=Democracy+Now%21&utm_campaign=8ab7ceec66-Daily_Digest&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_fa2346a853-8ab7ceec66-190324665
Take’em all down!
http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/take-em-all-down-remove?source=s.fwd&r_by=216570
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This article has a useful graph of when the monuments went up.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/the-stubborn-persistence-of-confederate-monuments/479751/
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“Donald Trump seems to have studied the white Southern version of US history and has never read or heard anything to correct that interpretation of the Civil War.”
I “studied” the Northern version of US history in the ’60s. Nary a word about a
nation built on white supremacy.
Michael J. Sainato:
“The racism and white supremacy that were on full display at the Charlottesville white supremacist rally is symptomatic of a United States culture that has whitewashed its history, ignored it’s rampant human rights abuses and stowed away the darkest corners of its past to formulate a distorted view of American exceptionalism predicated on white supremacy. America was built on slavery, genocide, violence, and white male supremacy that exploited others for profit and power for centuries, and still do to this day. The moral high ground of American exceptionalism that some people have taken to condemn the rally’s hate, with claims of “this is not America,” demonstrate a historical obliviousness or refusal to accept responsibility for this history.
During the 16th to 18th centuries, an estimated 20 to 30 million Africans were kidnapped and shackled onto ships, forced to embark on the middle passage across the Atlantic during the height of the slave trade. Millions died on the voyage due to starvation, torture, disease, and murder. About half a million of those who survived were brought to the colonies that would eventually become the United States. Those slaves fueled emerging industries in the New World, rendering profits and wealth for white elites throughout the colonies. Preceding the outbreak of the civil war in 1861, slavery was inextricably linked to the Southern economy, but the racism and white supremacy that held it up was not relegated to the south alone. Nor did it end with the civil war, rather the 13th amendment to the constitution rebranded slavery under mass incarceration, the reconstruction era ushered in the Jim Crow era, lynchings and violence at the hands of the Ku Klux Klan were perpetuated to reinforce the systems of oppression and subjugation that the institution of slavery upheld.
Government policies and sentiments that were predicated on white supremacy are still implemented and pushed for today. They’ve amended and evolved in different ways over the past few centuries to assimilate to contemporary applications that still assert the same goals. Invoking the moral authority of a nation that was built and founded on white supremacy, and has upheld it ever since at the degradation of others, does nothing to challenge those notions of white supremacy. Rather it diverts responsibility and accountability for it to the most extreme and concrete examples of it.
The continued historical interpretation that the tyranny, oppression, racism, and violence that American History was built on are minor footnotes to an otherwise flattering, prideful narrative is immersed in a self-denial our country is swept up in. This self-denial enables these structural injustices to continue within our society unabated. It shouldn’t take disturbing events for even peace-loving Americans working for diversity, inclusion, and justice to reflect on the state of mind that made confederate symbols and white supremacy to be publicly adored and lauded an acceptable and widespread practice for so long.”
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Thom Hartmann had the following statements on today’s blog:
It’s not just progressives and liberals who are appalled by Donald Trump’s attempt to draw a false equivalency between between racist neo-Nazis and anti-racist counter-protesters.
Republicans, too, are now openly disavowing the President’s remarks.
Mitt Romney, for example, said in a tweet Tuesday:
“No, not the same. One side is racist, bigoted, Nazi. The other opposes racism and bigotry. Morally different universes.” – Mitt Romney.
Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, meanwhile, has sent out a statement saying that:
“We must be clear. White supremacy is repulsive. This bigotry is counter to all this country stands for. There can be no moral ambiguity.” – Paul Ryan.
Lindsey Graham, John McCain, and John Kasich have all issued similar statements condemning the president:
“Mr. President, I encourage you to try to bring us together as a nation after this horrific event in Charlottesville. Your words are dividing Americans, not healing them.” – Lindsey Graham.
“There’s no moral equivalency between racists & Americans standing up to defy hate& bigotry. The President of the United States should say so” – John McCain.
“The President has to condemn hate groups. This isn’t about politics.” – John Kasich.
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Dam this isn’t impeachable , must be another Trump diversion. But I doubt he watches O’Donnell who intentionally tries to get under Trump’s skin..
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A quote from the Washington Post today as a reminder of the Trump’s real relationship with the traditional Grand Old Party: “[in 1975] President Richard Nixon’s Justice Department sued [Trump’s] family’s real estate company for discriminating against black would-be tenants.”
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While Nixon went about recruiting the Dixiecrats
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Al Sharpton, refusing to call the president a racist said, “I don’t want to put him on the couch” insisting that focusing on the person takes away the focus on the person’s POLICIES.
Even racist isolationist policy is not what drives him.
Go back an listen carefully to his motivation:
(don’t have quote in front of me but) “I am going to say what no other politician will say… they had the right to speak… march…”
ALLLLLL he cares about is doing something no other president has done – and dismantling anything President Obama did.
That’s sick.
President and cronies no doubt love the debate about statues or no statues; how many non-neo-nazis were in the crowd, and other distractions. (Although don’t hear him crabbing about “outside agitators” anymore. They do NOT want the news or focus to be on a president who supports, nods and winks, and legitimized hate groups.
If there’s a silver lining – “no other president” has gotten public education right so let him play in that sandbox. Goals 2000 (goals were good, policies not so much and no teeth) – NCLB – RTTT – privatization and vouchers – tax credits. Since Dept of Ed (or president) doesn’t do civil rights anymore, maybe he’ll turn special education over to some other department and close Dept of Ed.
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As John Oliver said about Trump and the white supremacists in Charlottesville, “Nazis are like cats. If they like you, it’s because you are feeding them.”
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Good grief. What possessed the ACLU to defend these raving maniacs in the first place?
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The ACLU will stop defending hate groups marching with firearms….Quartz
The American Civil Liberties Union Virginia branch previously defended the right (paywall) of white-supremacist groups to protest against the removal of a Confederate statue. “The events of Charlottesville require any… legal group to look at the facts of any white-supremacy protests with a much finer comb,” said an ACLU exec.
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I don’t actually agree with bringing down the monuments.
Once, I had an opportunity to go to Germany. While I was in Germany, I went to a stadium, a stadium that I remember as Hitler’s stadium, with one of my German friends. I felt the experience was profound – being there at the same place that evil arose. Evil wasn’t arising then when we were together at the stadium. My German friend also seemed to be having a profound experience – he was experiencing regret. Sadness. Powerful reminders to not have that happen again.
I also had a similar experience in Rome and Greece. There, I saw many statues of bad people and tyrants. The situation wasn’t quite as profound because I don’t remember the Roman/Greek history as well – but I was looking upon these statues with the views of the time, with harsh judgement.
Those monuments are what we make of them.
(As an aside, one of the funniest protests that I saw was a monument decorated with a participation trophy.)
If there were monuments in my town, I would not be looking at them with pride. I would not be teaching my children to look at them with pride. And my family has been in America for a long, long time – I’ve got ancestors who fought on both sides of the war.
The other alternative is to add a plaque to the statues and monuments. For instance, the plaque could say something like this. “This is Robert E. Lee. Robert is Lee was the leader of a traitorous nation – a nation that went against the basic foundations of our union by trying divide the United States of America. [There’s a lesson for Calexit people here, by the way.] In addition, Robert E. Lee fought to preserve the institution of slavery – an institution that was responsible for the deaths and despicable treatment of slaves. This institution of slavery still has echoes in our society today because of ___. Although Robert E. Lee was the leader of a nation that betrayed the union, after the Confederate states lost, he looked upon the racism developing in his communities with despair and alacrity. [At least this is what his descendants said. Maybe they have a good quote here, a quote of Robert E. Lee denouncing racism?] He did not want monuments of himself, because he felt it would make it difficult for our country to move on.”
This push to get rid of statues is keeping the divide between us strong. It also made Donald Trump give a terrible speech and tweet, which was great. But when we take down these statues – when they fall at the same time across the nation – it does smack a little bit of ISIS and when they destroyed artifacts. This ain’t bringing any Trumpians over to the liberal side. It is only making the battle lines more drawn, and reinforcing the idea on the right that the left are the ones who are going to lead us to a totalitarian future.
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This comes from Politico:
TWO HEALTH GROUPS CANCEL AT MAR-A-LAGO – The American Cancer Society and Cleveland Clinic announced on Thursday that they were canceling fundraisers at President Donald Trump’s Florida resort, the latest to shun the locale in response to Trump’s comments on the deadly white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va.
“Our values and commitment to diversity are critical as we work to address the impact of cancer in every community,” the American Cancer Society said in a statement. “It has become increasingly clear that the challenge to those values is outweighing other business considerations.”
The Cleveland Clinic was less specific, citing only “careful consideration.” The hospital had been targeted by activists for months over its plan to hold the event.
… Other high-profile health care organizations, like the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society and Boston’s Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, previously backed out of events at Mar-a-Lago.
… The decision is more than a symbolic rebuke for Trump; the resort brings in as much as $275,000 each for these sorts of events, WaPo’s David Fahrenthold points out.
It’s also a financial risk for the canceling organizations: The Cleveland Clinic said it had raised as much as $1 million per year at its annual Mar-a-Lago events.
… Cleveland Clinic CEO Toby Cosgrove was among the members of Trump’s Strategic and Policy Forum, a council of top business leaders, who elected to disband this week in response to Trump’s remarks.
“I remain deeply committed to improving health care for all Americans,” Cosgrove said in a statement, which linked to the council’s statement condemning racism and intolerance.
BUT CEOs ARE STILL TALKING TO WHITE HOUSE – Despite the high-profile condemnations of Trump’s words, corporations believe there’s too much money at stake with health care and other issues to disengage entirely with the White House, POLITICO’s Nancy Cook report. Instead of holding high-profile sessions with Trump, they’re meeting out of the spotlight with aides and agency officials…
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I thought this was an interesting overview of what is happening to Trump. He definitely doesn’t have the ability to lead, he just bullies. That type of ‘management’ doesn’t do well in a democracy.
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John Cassidy at The New Yorker writes about Trump’s weak presidency:
Of course, it would be wishful thinking to suggest that the Republican Party establishment is preparing to make a decisive break with Trump. While McConnell and Paul Ryan, the Speaker of the House, have both put out statements saying that racism and white supremacism have no place in the G.O.P., neither of them has explicitly criticized Trump. Even now, most Republicans are too intent on pursuing their regressive policy agenda, and too frightened of incurring the wrath of the Trump-supporting hordes going into the 2018 midterms, to do what almost all of them must know, deep down, is the right thing.
But, even assuming that Trump will survive this latest horror show, as he has survived many previous ones, his Presidency will be further diminished and tarnished. Outside the arena of national security, the Presidency is a weak office; to get anything substantial done, the person in the Oval Office has to put together coalitions, bringing along powerful people and interest groups. As the health-care fiasco demonstrated, Trump wasn’t very good at that stuff to begin with—forgive the understatement—and he has just greatly compounded his difficulties. By dint of his pigheadedness, or prejudice, or both, he has moved onto political ground that makes it virtually impossible for other people in influential positions, such as C.E.O.s, or the heads of other organizations, or senior government officials, or celebrities, or even his own Cabinet members, to stand with him, or even to be seen to coöperate with him. That is what happens when a President throws away his own legitimacy.
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I just sent this message to Senator Todd Young of Indiana:
Topic: Where is your town hall meeting? Your silence sends a message of acceptance of white supremacists who spread hatred and violence.
It is important that you pick a side in the Charlottesville disaster. (Where is your town hall meeting?) White supremacists are wanting to get power in the US and Trump has done nothing but inflame their ambitions. They came with torches held high and military gear in place. They, along with Trump, espouse hatred as totally acceptable in this country.
I’m asking you to be bold enough to challenge the rise of white supremacy. I am asking that you denounce hatred and violence.
There are no ‘fine people’ in the group that hates other Americans. Blacks, transgender, gays and Jews are an integral part of society and a leader would recognize that. Trump has proven once again that he is unfit and has no leadership abilities.
It is time to stand up for the dignity of all Americans. Where are you? Silence is not good enough.
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How unlawful was it to deny ex confederate soldiers, who were Americans, the right to vote?
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It was not unlawful
It was a mild rebuke for fighting against st the USA
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